The Nineteenth Byte

Quill

12:09 AM

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quartata

hahahaha

New Main Posts

12:29 AM

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Q: Help us store our java programs

Minify My Java Programs At FOOBAR consulting associates we write all our code in java and store them by handwriting them on the sides of coffee cups. The only issue is that our hands cramp to easily so we would like to shrink our code as much as possible. Task Your job is write a minifier p...

Downgoat

strawpoll.me/10826604

quartata

12:48 AM

None of those

gsub and sub

or have actual regex syntax

grep/rep is particularly confusing

it applies matching not substitution

user214599

Hai

LegionMammal978

Hia

user214599

Who wants to join in the development of my new programming language

user214599

It's called 'Aperture'

user214599

It consists of portals

Leaky Nun

1:02 AM

@ven thanks :)

Nick T

What is consensus? meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/9590

+8 vs +6...anyone else want to weigh in?

quartata

Hmmm... tough

Leaky Nun

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A: Interquartile Mean

Golfscript, 28 bytes ~.4*$\,.@/1>2<{+}*{+}*'/'@2* Try it online!

Any golfing advice?

Nick T

1:40 AM

Has any idea to make the sandbox it's own site (a bit dirty maybe, but easy) been bandied about at all? Or a second-meta site (probably cleaner, probably requires custom code)?

Then migrate questions from there to here when the OP flags it?

I wonder how many other questions on network have 1k answers ◔_◔

Dennis

1:59 AM

Anything that requires writing more than a few lines of code and can be used only for one SE site is unlikely to get implemented.

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Q: Sandbox good for its own subdomain?

Edit 2: See Grace Note's answer. Edit: Answers may be allowed, so that question-specific sandboxes would be actually on topic, such as attempted for Stack Exchange Quine. It could also enable people to post more detailed comments to proposed questions and potential answers, helping mitigate more...

discussion status-declined sandbox

Nick T

2:11 AM

I'm unclear if Note's answer is about some custom subdomain (with custom code) or how migrating questions is "messy"?

@Dennis can you unlock the question so I can edit it?

PhiNotPi

From what I can read, the core point to his answer is, to paraphrase, that it's "a lot of work and overhead for an inelegant solution."

LegionMammal978

Fun fact: Invisibility fields are complicated

PhiNotPi

Asking for a custom subdomain is probably one of the larger things we've asked for. I think the only special treatment PPCG received prior to graduation was lowering the rep threshold for meta participation.

LegionMammal978

@MatthewRoh repo?

^^

PhiNotPi

2:26 AM

To be honest, one of SE's main administrative flaws is that the network has broadened its scope without broadening the scope of the CM team: the people who are most able to influence our site's development (CMs who are able to get site improvements put on an actual TODO list) generally have next to no experience with the PPCG format and lack a thorough understanding of how our site works.

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Nick T

Eh, PPCG format isn't exactly cut-out for the SE network anyways.

LegionMammal978

^

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@PhiNotPi Doorknob must rise to the ranks of CM :P

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Nick T

I think the only reason the site is allowed (tolerated probably a better word) is because programmers like it (bleed-over from SO) and it's not too chaotic.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@NickT puzzling?

Nick T

2:32 AM

Indeed it is the greatest puzzle of them all: why they graduated before PPCG

PhiNotPi

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ PhiNotPi 2017? ;)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@PhiNotPi +1.618

Nick T

@PhiNotPi + 1.52355866484

PhiNotPi

@NickT I've heard that PPCG's graduation was delayed because of a software bug that didn't detect when we passed the necessary metrics.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

g'night y'all

Nick T

2:38 AM

Actually, Area51 says launched... area51.stackexchange.com/?tab=launched

Is the distinction between launched & custom design separate now?

Launch being a rep tweak thing?

El'endia Starman

@NickT There's been a separation between graduation and getting the design for some time now.

GamrCorps

@NickT Launched means full site, not beta. Custom design and rep tweaks are a separate event that may or may not happen at the same time.

PhiNotPi

RIP my privileges, I just hope the new design is worth it.

LegionMammal978

^

At least I've gotten to ~9.6k rep so it shouldn't be too far to get to 10k

Helka Homba

@NickT Looks like only A&M and Signal Processing are queued to get designs before us (though puzzling beat us :/)

LegionMammal978

2:43 AM

@PhiNotPi @HelkaHomba Where are you hearing these things from :|

But yeah, if I could just make another insanely stupid answer...

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A: Paint Starry Night, objectively, in 1kB of code

Mathematica, score 14125.71 "a.png"~Export~ConstantImage[{75,91,110}/256,{386,320}] Simply saves this image: to a.png.

Helka Homba

@LegionMammal978 The list at area51.stackexchange.com/?tab=launched appears to be in order

PhiNotPi

What thing? About the software bug, Grace said it himself (probably in chat or in some post).

LegionMammal978

@HelkaHomba I'm getting Law, Philosophy, Puzzling, then us

Helka Homba

@LegionMammal978 The latest launched are first

LegionMammal978

Ah, okay

Wait wat

Puzzling got launched with 9.9 questions per day O_o

Helka Homba

2:46 AM

@PhiNotPi Only 10 people will have the 25k rep required for full privleges :o

quartata

That's enough. Most small sites have about 15

PhiNotPi

@HelkaHomba ;-;

quartata

It's really just 10k that matters at any rate

PhiNotPi

I always feel guilty about how little I actually do on-site.... I always spend most of my time in this chat room.

El'endia Starman

@PhiNotPi Don't feel guilty - I'm the same way.

Helka Homba

2:50 AM

@PhiNotPi Say goodbye to codegolf.stackexchange.com/site-analytics/traffic-sources

El'endia Starman

I came for the challenges and stayed for the people. :P

Helka Homba

Based on avatars, Martin is the only definite person.

charredgrass

I'm just here for the validation from rep

El'endia Starman

@HelkaHomba s/people/entities

Helka Homba

Oh, and the guy who just walked in

PhiNotPi

2:54 AM

@HelkaHomba Corporations are people too ;-;

LegionMammal978

There, fixed my invisibility field, gtg now

Dennis

@NickT Done.

user214599

@Leg I'm back

PhiNotPi

@El'endiaStarman Yeah, a lot of the stuff on this site... doesn't really motivate me to actually do it. Like, I will look at challenges, think "yeah I could do that if I wanted to" and then read the answers, and then go back to chat.

El'endia Starman

I barely look at challenges myself...

user214599

2:57 AM

@HelkaHomba Based on avatars, Leaky is also a definite person.

PhiNotPi

@El'endiaStarman by "read" I mean "gloss over"

Quill

Morning

user214599

Uhh

PhiNotPi

ahh

Quill

@HelkaHomba A&M are after PPCG in the queue IIRC

There's a little more, uh, arguments about it over there

PhiNotPi

3:03 AM

"arguments"?

Quill

People like different genres and character types, etc

Somebody suggested they get a mascot and they spent years arguing about what it would look like

PhiNotPi

Is it legal to reverse-engineer a file format?

Nick T

yeah

Geobits

Yep.

Nick T

reverse engineering is always legal I thought

Geobits

3:15 AM

EULAs will try to convince you otherwise, but...

Nick T

by looking at just the file format, that's a sort of clean room design

should I add a restriction to codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/85443/… that requires the JPEGs to be smaller than a trivial bitmap? (e.g. 512 x 512 x 3 = 768k)

PhiNotPi

Okay cool... Ima gonna try to do that. (Still regarding the Lego stuff, because I was surprised that much of the file was plaintext.) (edit: a law.se answer)

user214599

Has anyone thought of an esoteric programming language with portals

Nick T

goto?

user214599

@NickT No, A literal PORTAL

PhiNotPi

3:22 AM

1D or 2D language?

Nick T

What's a portal?

PhiNotPi

Actually, good night everyone!

Geobits

Seriously actually?

Helka Homba

I suppose there's no use in asking but any minecrafters want to play on the hive? :3

@Sp3000 @El'endiaStarman @PhiNotPi ..

El'endia Starman

Not right now, no.

Quill

3:36 AM

Oooh, I get to learn Haskell this semester

Nick T

OOH?

Object-oriented Haskell?

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@HelkaHomba maybe. What's the hive?

Dennis

@HelkaHomba OK, but access to site analytics is hardly required for the site's well-being. We would have 17 trusted users, 15 more who can protect questions (which, IMHO, makes limited sense on PPCG anyway), and 22 more with access to moderator tools.

Helka Homba

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan A public MC server with lots of minigames. Just go Minecraft Menu -> Multiplayer -> Add Server -> address = play.hivemc.com

Nick T

@Dennis care to look over the modified Lepton thingamabob?

Dennis

3:47 AM

Puzzling, which already has high rep thresholds, only has 2 trusted users. o_O

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@HelkaHomba I might be able to play tonight, but probably not right now.

I hope I get to 10k before the privileges jump up.

Helka Homba

:|

Dennis

@NickT I think it's fine now, but I'd like to see a few reopen votes from other members of the community (or at least consult with another mod) before wielding the reopen hammer.

Nick T

k

*cough @DrGreenEggsandIronMan cough*

Quill

@PhiNotPi Area 51 is a bug

New Sandboxed Posts

4:25 AM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Introduction This challenge is going to be a little different from conventional [code-golf] rules, rather than stringently denying loopholes, I'm going to encourage them. Challenge The challenge is to output the nth number in the IJMIU sequence. What is the IJMIU sequence? Well, I Just Made It...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

4:40 AM

@quill a bug how?

Quill

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ old, busted, no longer maintained

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

oic.

Doorknob

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Well, putting aside the fact that I don't think it's even legal for me to have a full-time job yet... :P

phase

5:07 AM

Is the 12 added to the end of the CodeBlock a String or an Int? golfscript.tryitonline.net/#code=ezEyK30gIjEyIis&input=

{12+} "12"+ -> {12+ 12}

Or is it only being outputted like that?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@doorknob work during the summer? :p

phase

  let c = match a with
  | Int aI -> (match b with
    | Int bI -> Int (aI + bI)
    | String bS -> String ((string_of_int aI) ^ bS)
    | CodeBlock bCB -> CodeBlock ((string_of_int aI) ^ " " ^ bCB))
  | String aS -> (match b with
    | Int bI -> String (aS ^ (string_of_int bI))
    | String bS -> String (aS ^ bS)
    | CodeBlock bCB -> CodeBlock (aS ^ " " ^ bCB))
  | CodeBlock aCB -> (match b with
    | Int bI -> CodeBlock (aCB ^ " " ^ (string_of_int bI))
    | String bS -> CodeBlock (aCB ^ " " ^ bS)

Doorknob

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I'm pretty sure part-time CM isn't a thing :P

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