The Nineteenth Byte - 2016-06-24 (page 4 of 6)

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5:00 PM

@Fatalize Nope. <disapproval face>

I suppose the 404s are answers to deleted challenges?

Although I guess if even tag wikis get post IDs they could really be anything.

@MartinEnder Are you serious? codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/49671/…

Mine goes to a real answer

I'm not sure. I mean, I can see deleted stuff, so you think it would still show up unless it was hard deleted.

@Fatalize KotH though, but that's also unfortunate

@Geobits I'm not sure. it works when it's a link to the challenge itself, but to the answer? Can't be bothered to find a deleted challenge with answers right now though (there shouldn't be a lot of those)

5:01 PM

@Upgoat?

but yeah it might also be tag wikis from burninated tags or something

@El'endiaStarman Mine goes somewhere real, but I don't customarily write code >_>

Spoken like a true Calvin.

Mini-challenge: Use only your mouse (or trackpad, w/e) to compose a "Hello, World!" program. Touching your keyboard or a touchscreen is not allowed. First answer wins. (No cheating!)

Stuck, 0 bytes

HONHONHON

5:03 PM

@MartinEnder Can you tell me how I should beat a Haskell answer with JavaScript without ES6

By not using JS?

@Fatalize link?

@Geobits I only golf in JS, Java, PHP and Emotonomicon

'Hello, World'

218

A: "Hello, World!"

Stuck, 0 bytes Well, can't get shorter than that... An empty program will output Hello, World! in Stuck

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

5:04 PM

user image

Good thing I read Stuck's esolang page before this challenge got posted

PS, I only used a mouse to write that CJam code.

@Bálint That's not his fault though. You can use whatever language you need to win ;)

@HelkaHomba "Hello, World!

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan -1 missing punctuation. Joke properly.

5:05 PM

@HelkaHomba pl, 12bytes Hello, World!

handcrafted using cut and paste and 19th byte messages

Pyth

I think I'm the only one who did it properly

@Optimizer via onscreen keyboard, copying letters, or finding complete answer?

@HelkaHomba onscreenkeyboard

okthen

5:06 PM

click windows, accessories, ease of access

@Optimizer what CJam code??

CMC: Given a stack of magazines, cut and paste letters onto this paper to make a ransom note. Do not use more than one letter from any given page.

@aditsu well, I forgot to press shift..

and realized only now

Now try navigating to your PPCG user profile from this chat page using only the keyboard (I'm not sure I even could..)

Done

That was easy

5:08 PM

It's really easy if you already have it open in another tab >_>

@HelkaHomba joke's on you, ctrl+shift+tab :)

I just opened a new tab and typed it the url

(and ninja'd)

@HelkaHomba Done

@quartata Oh, durr. I was trying to guess the command for getting focus on the search box in the current tab

5:09 PM

I can do it with no keypresses or mouse clicks too. Yay scroll wheel.

@Bálint what's wrong with es6? ES6 JS is still regular JS

I tab'd my way to the address bar and typed "codegolf.stackexchange.com/users/48538" in the address bar.

@Upgoat If that was true, nobody would have to clarify it. Every. Single. Time.

address bar is ctrl+l

>_>

5:11 PM

@Geobits ?

@Quill If that was the only problem with JS I wouldn't have any problems with it since TypeScript fixes that

@Upgoat The challenge came out before ES6

user image

7

@Bálint probably not though

O_O

5:12 PM

Unfortunately that is only one layer of JS's overall shittiness

2

No it didn't

Why do image uploads remove the :messageid thing :/

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

is it bad that I red SEXit without any caps at first

@quartata haha u maed fun of js using shity point so funee hahaha brb starring

@HelkaHomba Alright, I need at least 1000 rep to submit the bounty and keep my privileges.

And you need an exceptional answer.

5:15 PM

@HelkaHomba SE has better things to do than bother to fix it

@Upgoat hue hahue yeah it's not like I have a rational argument about it

@HelkaHomba H.H.? Who is that supposed to be? Henry Hardy? Herman's Hermits? Harry Houdini?

@HelkaHomba I don't know any user with H.H. as initials

damn

Now C.H I know

@Geobits Helka Homba.

5:15 PM

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 whoooosh

^

@HelkaHomba F6 in most browsers, I believe

Chat mini challenge: take your user-id, divide it by 2, until you get a number under 1699, then post the related xkcd comic here

@HelkaHomba courtesy of ransomizer.com btw

This would be bad enough, but every 30th or 40th pokÃ©ball has TWO of them inside.

5:17 PM

@Bálint Mine's Heaven. Not oneboxing all of these, hopefully.

@Bálint standards

58% of the state has gone into plaid.

That's kinda creepy

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

do you guys have any idea what semi-casual formal means for a teenager?

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Nothing

semi-casual formal? That's ridiculous.

5:19 PM

@Bálint So, naked?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Bálint what if it isn't an integer

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Sorry, I forgot you need to floor it

probably using a tie as a belt for your shorts

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Semi casual and semi formal are the same thing according to the interwebs

I'd guess slacks and a button-up if I heard that, but it's a terrible way to describe it.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

5:20 PM

blame 16 yo teen ? :P

Why don't you just ask them what they meant then?

If you're in Texas, semi casual means jeans and collared shirt

Everywhere else it probably means slacks and button up

That would get a more useful answer than asking here.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Bálint 2012

@Rainbolt It means that here, too, along with everything until you hit a suit jacket. It's ridiculously broad, so it depends on the environment more than anything :/

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

5:22 PM

@Geobits I would, but then I should've asked a week ago when the invitations were sent

@Rainbolt And your shooting range gun too

Are there guns without range?

^ fixed?

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Why? Can you not ask now? It's nothing to be embarrassed about.

You can't go wrong with slacks and button up. Even in Texas (IMO)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

5:24 PM

@Geobits well, I don't know their contact info, and only my mom does--and she thinks I should go all out

sighs

Well of course your mom would say that :/

Are you presenting?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

am I what

What is the event?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

"sweet 16" b-day thing

5:25 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Are you presenting a topic to the audience?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Rainbolt nope XD

oh geez is it bad that I'm asking programmers for fashion/clothing advice

Birthday thing? What kind of place? Nice restaurant, movies, alley behind mini-golf?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Geobits I honestly have no idea

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I don't think it really matters, just make sure you've got socks and sandals.

And a beard

5:26 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I didn't know why being a 16 years old is better, than being 15 or something, until I realised you can drive a car as 16 in the USA

@Rainbolt with beads in it

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Bálint it's probably a girl thing

@Bálint Well, it's a perfect square

You can drive at 15 with a provisional license if your dad is in agriculture (which mine was when I was 15)

You can without your dad being in agriculture in some states.

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

5:27 PM

I didn't get my license until I turned 17.

@Rainbolt Same here but the minimal age is 16

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan I won't get one eithe

I also drove for two years before getting glasses. Then when I got glasses, they added a restriction to my license saying I must wear corrective lens

I think that's dumb

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Rainbolt I guess I need to find a pair of balloon pants as well

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Wear an afro wig.

@Bálint 16 is really nothing special. It just means you're older.

5:30 PM

@Geobits If you're in the UK, I think Conor is American

@Rainbolt You think it's dumb that you're required to see to drive?

wtf?

@Bálint I'm in the US, and I linked to a page about US laws...

Iirc, you can get your license as 16 in the US

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Bálint america, oh no

:P

america is great, but with trump, it's scary

I thin US is one of the 2 countries, where you can get your driver's license as 16

The other one is the Man islands

5:32 PM

@Fatalize He wasn't blind or something. He said he drove for 2 years without them

@HelkaHomba Still?

@Bálint The chart I linked shows that US states all have different laws. There is no "you can drive at 16" blanket rule at all.

I mean it's basically common sense that you need to see properly to drive

@Fatalize Not for too many more decades. Self-driving cars FTW

Would you guys still want to own a car if personal autonomous taxis could pick you up within ~5 min and drop you anywhere?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

5:36 PM

no

@HelkaHomba Depends on cost

El'endia Starman

Just watched this TED Talk and it's kinda ironic that he said near the beginning that people have a strong tendency to slip off into a daydream in the middle of listening to people, even if they're giving a TED Talk...'cause that happened to me a couple times while watching... >_>

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

XD

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@HelkaHomba I would want to own a car unless it's cheaper than gas.

El'endia Starman

I blame the circles though. They got me thinking about taking a set of points and triangulating them into a mesh, and wondering if you can use a similar technique for points in 3D space.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

5:41 PM

zombocom

@Geobits $10 per ride or one kowtow to Elon Musk

personal taxis can't pick me up, but I still don't really want to own a car :p

Hmm. Depends on what counts as a "ride", but that would add up very quickly. Home->school, school->work, work->school, school->home is $40/day, not counting anything else.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

for me, it'd be home -> school -> (maybe some place) -> home. so $20-30

El'endia Starman

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ The voice is surprisingly easy to understand.

5:45 PM

So that's $800/month assuming 20 work/school days for me, just for the essentials. Not counting things like shopping, eating out, going to a park, whatever.

What should the syntax for strict-typing a variable be in Cheddar? People didn't like var foo: String = "bar"

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

that is quite ugly

more than quite

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Why not String foo = "bar"? Parsing problems?

@Upgoat that looks like pascal

5:47 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ yeah

let "bar" be a String assigned to foo

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

applescript

@Geobits It was home ==> school ==> home for me before the summer holidays.

@Geobits oh God please tell me that is not real :/

That costed 36 RUR.

5:49 PM

Having a kid costs more :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

ohhh

@aditsu I like that you're referring to me that way, but rest assured, I made it up.

@Geobits I don't have a kid. o_o

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 but he does

ono cheddar is completely absolutely borked

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

5:50 PM

uh oh

cheddar> 1 +
2
cheddar> 1 + 2
1

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

press ctrl+z until it works properly

This is what happens when you try to teach a cheese math.

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ halp, pls chedr is borkd.

@Upgoat scrape off the bad part and eat the rest

5:51 PM

Who borks cheese? That sounds gross.

~~ffs ched—~~ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ

;_; crossed out emdash is regular emdash

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

—__—

somebody sat on -_-

;_;

@somebody y u do dis

You should make a bot for the Cheddar Slack organization that hits whoever broke the build with a pre-commit hook. :d

Or slaps with a trout.

Or shoots a foam missile.

So basically, a bot that shows who broke the build.

—3—

somebody sat on -3-

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

o-o

5:59 PM

@Upgoat I has a STRING its name is FOO an its 'bar'

TIL o-o + alt + shift = Ø—Ø

wat

:30600126

I tried.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

norepro

El'endia Starman

@Upgoat That's impressive.

6:02 PM

@El'endiaStarman question: does pytek's lexer use precedence or do you do that after parsing (e.g. Shunting yard)

El'endia Starman

@Upgoat Well, Pytek's parser basically does lexing and parsing simultaneously.

And yes, it uses Shunting Yard.

Well, a variant.

so you parse statements and then pass that to the interpreter?

or do you pass each individual token?

El'endia Starman

I parse into an AST, convert the AST to an object tree, and then execute that.

ah, okay

Cheddar just passes the raw CST to the interpreter >_>

El'endia Starman

CST? Code syntax tree?

6:07 PM

concrete syntax tree

El'endia Starman

Ah, lol.

cheddar> String::3
Error: `::` has no behavior for types `Number` and `Number`

TIL String class is instance of a number

@Upgoat Everything in this world is a number. @_@

I only seperated unary op parsing and it gives me all the bullshit. Fuck it, i'm doing this later

cheddar> 1 + 2
-- RUN --
[]
[ CheddarPropertyToken {
    Code: '1 + 2',
    Index: 1,
    _Tokens: [ [Object] ],
    Type: Symbol(Property) },
  CheddarPropertyToken {
    Code: '1 + 2',
    Index: 5,
    _Tokens: [ [Object] ],
    Type: Symbol(Property) },
  CheddarOperatorToken {
    Code: '1 + 2',
    Index: 3,
    _Tokens: [ '+', Symbol(LTR Operator) ] } ]


-- RUN --
[ CheddarNumber {
    Scope: Map {},
    inheritanceChain: null,
    scope: CheddarScope { Scope: [Object], inheritanceChain: null },

halp something is very borked

basically, top thing turns into bottom thing

-1

Q: Coma programming

Coma programming (the name is a pun on "comma") is a programming style where you cannot use any statements, other than return (implicit or explicit). Instead, you're encouraged to use any of the following: Tail calls. I don't think I need to explain this one. Tail recursion. This is the only wa...

popularity-contest restricted-source parsing function recursion

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

6:23 PM

@El'endiaStarman I have a bug for you. It's in minkolang. "'Z"$O. should give 'Z, right?

:D :D : D unborked cheese :D :D :D

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

nice!

-1

Q: Golf a Recursion

Your goal is to make a function, which calls itself. It must be sure that it's recursion, so the function must print something or input. Rules The function (or how it's called in your favorite language) must call itself. It must not use any other kind of loop, not even GOTO. There two other th...

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3 bugs down... 2 more left... >_>

@Upgoat BUILD FAILURE!

6:25 PM

shit shit shit shit shit shit shit forgot to commit >_>

@Upgoat YOU MUST CONSTRUCT ADDITIONAL PYLONS.

@Upgoat that rhymes ;P

El'endia Starman

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Yeah. I think it has something to do with ' being used for numbers.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

okay

El'endia Starman

But I thought I took care of that... o.O

6:27 PM

aaand forgot to push agian >_>

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

it's in the online version--maybe it's only in there?

El'endia Starman

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ The website is merely an interface.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

yeah, but it could be using an older version?

El'endia Starman

Doesn't look like it.

Question for Cheddar online interpreter: Should it be like a terminal/REPL or like a playground?

6:29 PM

@Upgoat Like a playground.

but there won't be any slides

idk what the UI should be for a playground then

@Upgoat BUILD FAILURE!

Ohh, I could go on all day, but that would annoy him.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

we'er already annoyed

@Fatalize That's not even close to what I said...

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ >_<

6:33 PM

@Rainbolt What did you say then, because that's what I get from it

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 yes it would, you wouldn't want to become downzyabin101 :P >_>

oh.. I set sign to being an unary operator rather than a binary one

@Fatalize I said it's dumb that they added a restriction to my license. That does not equate to "I think it's dumb that I am required to see to drive." unless you also make the assumption that I need glasses to see (which is something you wrongly assumed).

@Rainbolt So you say it would be perfectly normal that people with poor eyesight driving with no glasses would be legal?

Makes no sense whatsoever

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ were you the one that added the @" operator?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

... yes? did I mess something up again

6:36 PM

no, no, not at all. I was just wondering what the operators name is

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

oh

I think it's the ord operator

YOU MESSED UP! THE RESULT IS true AND THE DESIRED RESULT WAS false

fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck

>_> everything is borking

you really need to learn what curse words to type in.

El'endia Starman

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Fixed!

I do not see the relation: Add new unary operator -> properties stop parsing -> grammar parser breaks -> call stack is reversed -> literals are duplicated

6:37 PM

Cheddar is doing me a concern

@Optimizer what should I of typed?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@El'endiaStarman :D to bad I can't use it for the challenge

@Upgoat brainfuck brainfuck brainfuck brainfuck brainfuck brainfuck

@Upgoat Why does the message say such? :|

good question

El'endia Starman

6:38 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Sorry? :P

What challenge?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

rube goldberg

I'm trying to do as many 2D+ langs as I can

El'endia Starman

Ahhh, okay.

@Fatalize That's also not what I said

El'endia Starman

Fatalize does have a habit of misconstruing other people's statements.

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 this outputs true for some reason:

if false { print "true" } else { print "false" }

6:39 PM

There are people in the world who don't have 20/20 vision who are perfectly capable of driving without glasses

goddammit @cheddar y u do dis ;-;

@Upgoat good job!

Why does the message shout? :|

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 [tag: blame - @Quill ]

welcome to the cheddar uprising

6:40 PM

@Rainbolt Yes, farsighted people can probably drive without glasses

@Upgoat lol, if the challenge was unlocked, you could add Cheddar to the 2+2=5 challenge

@Rainbolt That still doesn't make any sense. Driving is already dangerous as it is, there is no reason not to enforce people to have the best possible eyesight when driving

@TimmyD :|

:D

it would have that functionality built in

6:41 PM

I just joking

El'endia Starman

@TimmyD Well, I'm not sure that 2+2 would actually give 5 in Cheddar at the moment...

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Forecast Romantic Dates code-golf date Sort of inspired by this. A Romantic date is a date that, when the year, month and day are converted to Roman Numerals the values contain no more than two symbols. For example, in YY-MM-DD format: the Romantic date 20-04-15 would become XX-IV-XV. For the...

@Fatalize Oh yea? Did you know that people with 20/20 vision can get corrective lens that make their eyesight better than 20/20? Should everyone be required by law to have glasses, such that they have the best possible eyesight while driving?

cheddar> var a = 2
cheddar> 2 + a
5

4

wait wat

;-;

ahahaha

El'endia Starman

6:42 PM

@Upgoat .........I stand corrected.

i have no idea whats happening anymore

It's a feature

^ totally

@Rainbolt Did you know that specialists studied what's "sufficiently good eyesight" for driving, and your point is therefore meaningless?

And that it's because of these studies that you have to wear glasses when driving?

El'endia Starman

@NewSandboxedPosts @FryAmTheEggman: XX-IV-XV has three symbols, which does not match your "no more than two symbols" statement a sentence before.

6:46 PM

Oh, I meant two symbols per value, thanks.

Better?

El'endia Starman

Yup. :)

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Q: Time for some TEA!

Introduction A while back I stumbled across the tiny encryption algorithm (TEA) and since then I have recommended it whenever special cryptographic security properties were un-needed and a self-implementation was a requirement. Now today, we want to take the name *tiny* encryption algorithm lite...

code-golf cryptography

Anyone want to try out my Beta bot?

@Bálint i have two minutes

@Poke That's okay

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