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12:07 AM
@AlexA. well you left :(
 
But breadcrumbs. Haha XD
 
 
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1:34 AM
@BrainSteel
 
One of my better moments, that one.
 
You seemed to have come out of your shell a bit.
 
1:50 AM
I wonder if anyone would recognize the connection if I one day changed my avatar to a similarly styled portrait of a mongoose.
 
2:25 AM
Slow night here in The Nineteenth Byte... Apparently everyone but me has something better to do.
 
not necessary better just higher priority :)
 
Best friend is graduating. My time here is limited.
 
@randomra You mean talking to strangers on the Internet is not your highest priority?
@BrainSteel Congrats to your friend!
Is he or she graduating college or high school?
 
High school! I'm at his party at the moment. I'll tell him random code golfers support him.
 
I do support him, so long as he chooses to pursue a major in mathematics in college.
Also, you're at a party! Why are you on SE chat? :P
 
2:47 AM
@AlexA. well, not always
 
2:57 AM
Because I have a problem.
 
We should probably rename the chatroom "Golfers Anonymous."
 
He's going military, then civil engineering/architecture.
 
3:16 AM
Which branch of the military?
 
Air Force
 
Nice.
My best friend tried to get into the Air Force but they didn't let him in because he failed a hearing exam. As he describes it, he was "not able to hear a mouse fart from across the room."
I blame the fact that we spent the latter part of our teen years playing in a metal band together.
 
Haha, we just played in a marching band, so his hearing seems to be just fine!
 
Well then clearly you were doing it wrong. :P
It's not a band until somebody ruptures an eardrum.
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3:36 AM
@randomra Well clearly you should reevaluate your priorities! :)
 
 
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3:24 PM
My BBBF spec is complete. Please give it a read and tell me what you think :)
^ for more attention :D
 
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Q: Shortest program to write to a file and open it with the browser

CrazyPythonCreate program to write to a new file and open it with a web browser. The file must have a text box and perform addition, subtraction, multiplication, parentheses and exponentiation. Must follow order of operations. Multiple files are allowed, and html does not have to be validated, just to work...

 
@Calvin'sHobbies you broke the silence!
I thought we could go like this for a day
 
@Optimizer I also broke SE. I'm sure the post is 29764 characters but it only lets me enter about 50 more and it says I'm over the 30k limit.
 
3:50 PM
@Doorknob Do you know if this is a known bug? ^
 
I'll take a look at it
 
Thanks. I could use those extra chars :P
 
Wild guess: Linebreaks are being counted as CRLF (that is, 2 characters rather than one).
That would leave you with about 50 chars left, and would make sense because SE runs on a lot of Windows software.
 
Ah, that's probably it.
 
4:11 PM
is there a way to know how many unique IP visits your shared link has already attracted ?
 
nope
 
can you two see it ?
 
no
A Stack Exchange employee/developer probably could, but probably wouldn't unless there's an extremely compelling reason
 
:D
"I just want to know" - compelling enough ? :P
 
@Calvin'sHobbies That seems like a solid spec to me! I like the prize, haha.
 
4:15 PM
@Optimizer tsk tsk. You don't Publicist to accumulate golds
@BrainSteel Yay! Another upvote
 
@Calvin'sHobbies I am cutting all corners
 
4:46 PM
So... a single question can at max give you 6 gold badges ..
Steller, Great Q, Great A, Famous, Populist, Publicist
and if you consider these as due to this question, then 3 more - Legendary, Socratic, Illuminator
 
I wonder if there's an SE user with 1 or more gold badge but no silver or copper badges.
 
bronze!
copper LOL
 
I'm not sure it's possible
 
@Calvin'sHobbies Yes. Fanatic. I know I've seen it before
 
@Optimizer w/e :P I'm thinking of WoW
 
4:58 PM
But won't you get Enthusiast before Fanatic?
Related: edvinas.me has 2 golds, 2 silvers, and 6 bronzes without a single post.
 
@NinjaBearMonkey ah, that's right. Hmm.
 
Theoretically, you can be a moderator for a year without having any bronze or silver badge, and then you get the Sheriff/Constable badge.
 
Gonna have to go with no then. The only gold badges that don't imply a silver/bronze are Constable and Sheriff, and I find it highly unlikely a user can be appointed/elected mod with zero badges :)
er, yeah, what ProgramFOX said
 
@ProgramFOX you would probably get the editing badges first
and of you are not getting them, then you are doing a very bad mod job :P
won't probably last a year anyways :P
 
That's why I said "theoretically" :P
 
5:01 PM
"theoretically", if a mod is not editing a single post in 3+ months, he would be removed.
how does that theory sound ? :P
 
I would hope that every moderator at least has Critic or Supporter (hopefully there are no mods that have never voted on a single post :P)
 
Now, which site has awarded the most tumbleweeds :P
 
@Optimizer you can get the beta one in less than a year if the site graduates
 
@MartinBüttner ah, so if I become a mod before 27th, I can get a free gold!! Yay!
 
Probly just SO since there are so many questions
 
5:44 PM
Is there a general shortcoming in code challenges asking for best heuristic solutions for NP-hard problems in a test-battery?
e.g. find the longest non-intersecting path in some big random graph, highest total vertex count is better
would solutions be too similar in most cases?
for well-known NP-hard problems there might be some paper on the problem but there are a ton of lesser known NP-hard problem
 
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Q: Gode-Colf: Wipping Flords around

DJ McMayhemHere is another short string related code-golf. You must write a full program that reads a string (from STDIN or as command line arguments, as long as you specify which) and wips the flords around (flips the words around). A valid flord wip must Flip all of the beginning consonants. (All of the...

 
6:28 PM
"Coin Tossing Time Travelers" will have to be a single language KotH to solve the speed-issue, which language is more desirable?
Python / Java / JS (with stack snippet)? (ordering reflects my knowledge in those languages)
 
7:26 PM
was there not discussion at some point about making a set of sockety KotH interfaces so that everyone can use the language they want and it isn't unbelievably slow and might work?
(rather than Java only KotHs, which I don't compete in because I hate Java even if I love wolves, and Stack Snippet KotHs, which I don't compete in because I hate JS, and IO KotHs, which just seem to go wrong for reason I've never quite worked out)
(i.e. a simple messaging protocol that gets implemented in every language and providing a simple interface to whoever wants to use it, it wouldn't be hard or take long for each individual language, I've probably written the code for it 5 times over for other projects already)
 
So the player code would be called as a new instance for each move?
 
no, it would be sat in a tight loop waiting for the server to tell it the game state
(I don't know anything about scalability and TCP)
 
What are IO KotHs then?
 
that was not a good term, I mean ones where you have separate processing talking over STDIO
and then there are the ones which run a new process each turn
 
Do you mean IO using STDIN/STDOUT on a single machine, but your approach would allow players on different machines to communicate with a controller on a central server?
 
7:32 PM
actaully, what am I talking about, why not quite this interface over STDIO, much better
@trichoplax that it would, but I don't know if that would be of much use
... unless we had a nice lobby system
so people could hook up clients to a rolling server
 
I don't know what a lobby is
 
I mean, there could be a server which constantly runs games, and people who want to test their entrant can point it at this server, and have it tested against the other people doing the same thing in real time
 
Ah I see
 
(without pushing any code about)
 
That would allow entrants who don't divulge their code, right?
 
7:34 PM
latency would be a problem, but if we made the protocol nice, we could let the server choose how aggressive to be
that it would...
this is starting to sound like a fun and good idea
someone please tell us why it isn't
 
That would be interesting as a contest, but not great for PPCG - maybe this needs a chatroom to set it up as some kind of side-project that PPCG members can be invited to/work on
 
(I'd certainly be willing to write some C# for this and draw up protocol specs and stuff, it shouldn't take too much time at a time)
I'm sure something like this was discussed at some point in the past
 
I mean I'd love to see this happen and have regular contests for different types of game, but I can't see them working as PPCG questions, especially if you can keep your code private
 
well, it would just be for testing during development (the rolling serverness), and it wouldn't be main issue
the issue would that someone with an idea for a KotH can throw a controller together quickly, without worrying about IO, and the same goes for the contestants
 
You mean the final leaderboard would require everyone online at the same time?
 
7:37 PM
the person running the KotH would run that manually
you'd still submit your code as an answer, etc. etc.
I was just getting exiting, thinking you could live-test your code, there would be issues with people disconnecting, however
(and such and such)
 
I think I see - you can keep your code private during testing, but you won't get on the leaderboard until the question poster receives your code and runs it locally
 
yeah, that was my thinking
and you can run tests with other people privately if you wish without sharing code
(rather than this mad rolling server idea)
 
I like the mad rolling server idea
 
can't say I don't ;)
 
Presumably someone would have to volunteer to host it?
 
7:39 PM
quite so
(could be the person running the KotH, or some kindly volunteer with a server lying around and nothing better to do with it)
 
So it would require a volunteer, who could serve for a while and then be replaced, and it wouldn't incur any costs?
 
how do you mean costs?
 
I mean it would only use the server/computer of the person volunteering - nothing would need to be hired/rented
 
anything that isn't the person running the KotH for the proper leader board would just be for fun/testing
oh, I see, well it costs whatever the volunteer is spending
I have a server with a few friends which we use for this thing now and then anyway, it would be no disposition on my part to run KotHs on that if I trust the code
 
If they use their computer as the server, that only costs electricity and internet connection, right?
 
7:42 PM
aye
 
And you would only have to trust the controller, since the players are only sending packets of information?
 
aye
and everyone would have to trust the interface code, but hopefully that would have plenty of eyes on it
(for their own language/those of the competitors)
 
This has 2 of the advantages of a language specific KotH:
1. The controller writer doesn't need to think about or download other languages
2. The contestants can test their code without downloading other languages (even the controller language)
 
wouldn't all players have to be running their code in this scenario at the same time? or all would be in a single machine?
 
well, that's true for the distributed idea, but people don't want to be awake when the leaderboard is being put together, so for the leaderboard they'd still all want to be run by one person
 
7:44 PM
Only those running at the same time would be tested against each other
 
but yeah, for testing, if there was enough interest, then you could just use the shared server
 
Oh yes - for the leaderboard it would all be run by the question poster (on one machine?)
 
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Q: Finding the Deadlock

rcrmnFinding the Deadlock When programming a multithreading application one must take good care to avoid deadlocking the various threads when accessing shared resources. A deadlock occurs when a thread attempts to access a resource that's locked in another thread at the same time that the other threa...

 
(maybe the person running the server would set up the existing submissions to run automatically, so there is always something to play against (once there are submissions))
 
Most have a starter submission right from the outset
 
7:46 PM
but yeah, all this fun aside, just having a common communication protocol would be nice
ah, yes, I forgot that was a thing most KotHs had anyway
 
I suggested as a fortnightly challenge that we could have someone with 4 raspberry pis host a KotH where each player has a raspberry pi to themself.
I guess that would need the same kind of protocol
 
(should we open a separate chat, then we can discuss more slowly and not annoy everyone else, as you suggested)
 
(Although that would only be a local network)
Go for it
 
with a single language (or even with multiple one) the controller could actually pull all the entries from PPCG so you wouldn't have to download them one-by-one
 
yeah, but having a common interface from the word code would be nice
means the competitor has nothing to worry about but their business logic

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7:51 PM
sure, I just thought of this and it is a smaller (easily doable) step
 
 
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Hmmm...
 
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9:37 PM
Has anyone used keyboard shortcuts on SE ?
 
 
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