The Nineteenth Byte

I am upgrading my thermostat to a Nest, and would like to add a common wire. My current furnace controller doesn't have a C terminal, but the current thermostat wire has 2 unused wires (black and blue) what's the best way to do this? On the 24V side of the transformer there is: 1 Red Wire ...

Martin Büttner

@Lembik clearly lifehacks.SE

FryAmTheEggman

7:08 PM

If they allow that I assume your question will be ok?

Oh wait, they seem to specifically want physical wires :/

Sp3000

print 2015;i=" i;i+=;exec*" Hah. 26 bytes.

FryAmTheEggman

:o

What's that from?

Looks like print even numbers 1-100?

Sp3000

:P that was fast

Optimizer

apparently, people are liking my writing - codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/40376/…

Martin Büttner

7:23 PM

o.O

Optimizer

also, if calvin comes back and accepts an answer on that question, I get a badge!

Martin Büttner

he actually does sometimes

(accept answers on old questions)

Optimizer

well he said in the question that he will

and he would have if he did not go missing

Sp3000

If we get OCaml up to 10 votes a lot of people would get badges :D

(A lot being... 5)

Oh wait this isn't ASCII, it's most answers not last isn't it

Optimizer

why ocaml ?

which question ?

Sp3000

7:28 PM

On Hello World. I mixed it up with 95 ASCII though

Basically I mean if Calvin accepts a 10-upvote answer 5 people would get Populist :P

Optimizer

no

only the highest one gets

Sp3000

...

Nevermind!

Completely ignore what I've said in the past 2 minutes

:P

Optimizer

:D

rm -rf

Rainbolt

@FryAmTheEggman You're recently starred comment demonstrates the same kind of grammar mistake that this sentence does.

Sp3000

I think it also has another mistake, this sentence is an example of that

FryAmTheEggman

7:37 PM

I know it should be it's :P

And that there should be a period :P

Sp3000

:P

FryAmTheEggman

Here's a fun grammar problem: "The're are three errors in these sentence."

Eric Tressler

one is "The're", one is "these", and one is "three"

Rainbolt

I used to hate those type of problems in grade school. I would come up with a perfectly valid sentence, and the answer was totally reversed.

FryAmTheEggman

;)

Eric Tressler

7:39 PM

but the third one isn't grammar

Rainbolt

Because two wrongs make a right, it's impossible to know right from wrong.

Eric Tressler

3 left make a right, so 3 lefts = 2 wrongs

left is 2/3 wrong

this silliness reminds me

Rainbolt

UPS actually follows that philosophy.

They drive longer routes to avoid left turns.

Eric Tressler

have any of you been to the brainteasers stackexchange? it is horrible

as well they should

Ilmari Karonen

@EricTressler "The're" → "There", "sentence" → "sentences", "fun" → "stupid". ;)

Sp3000

7:42 PM

Puzzling? They're having fun discussing in the Green Llama as we speak

FryAmTheEggman

@IlmariKaronen "The're" → "There", "sentence" → "sentences", "grammar" → ""

Eric Tressler

yeah, puzzling. I find most of the questions on there really insipid. I was hoping for things like you might get in a tech interview

FryAmTheEggman

:P

Optimizer

@Sp3000 what ? on my brother ?

Sp3000

They're trying to fix that

But meta's been a bit of a mess lately because people have different ideas about how the site should be

Martin Büttner

7:44 PM

@Optimizer I think he's still online regularly

Optimizer

did you see him recently ?

Lembik

hmm

so SE is letting me down :(

I find it amazing there isn't a suitable place for this sort of question yet

maybe soon...

Eric Tressler

what is your question

Martin Büttner

@Optimizer well not in chat, but he's never been very active here

but he was online today

Optimizer

ah I see

I must say that the music is super hexagonest!

Lembik

7:50 PM

@EricTressler I want to put in wireless coverage for a large house

@EricTressler what's the best way to do it?

Sp3000

Super User, maybe?

Optimizer

@Lembik call in a professional ?

@Sp3000 you meant Super Hexagonest, right ?

feersum

shortest program to wired house?

Lembik

@Sp3000 interesting suggestions

@Optimizer we don't have professionals like that where I live!

Optimizer

shortest program to untanle bunch of wires

Lembik

7:52 PM

@Optimizer you would get someone who left high school early and once built their own computer from parts, if you are lucky

Sp3000

@Optimizer codeforces.com/problemset/problem/343/B gogogo

Lembik

@Sp3000 I think superuser might be the answer! Thank you

Optimizer

@Sp3000 getting stuck in that spiral in triangles :D

Eric Tressler

i think you probably want wireless repeaters

put the modem and router somewhere convenient, and try a laptop wherever you might want to go. anywhere the signal is too weak, hook up repeaters to remedy

Nathan Merrill

Hey, a while ago, somebody on here posted a website that was fantastic for learning new languages

Eric Tressler

7:58 PM

I've never done this, by the way, but it sounds reasonable. the repeaters are wired, though, so they will require cabling.

Optimizer

@NathanMerrill w3schools ?

Nathan Merrill

it was geared towards people who knew languages, and it was a very tall website

Optimizer

:P

Nathan Merrill

no

Geobits

was it something like "learn x the easy/hard way"?

feersum

7:59 PM

how do you measure the tallness of a website?

Geobits

By height, of course :P

Nathan Merrill

basically, you could learn all of the intricacies of a language

feersum: the amount I have to scroll

that sounds familiar geobits

Geobits

I remember talking about it here (when I was asking for Haskell info), but I can't remember the exact name.

Eric Tressler

learn you a haskell for great good

Martin Büttner

wow, someone's spamming the frontpage... I left a comment asking him to stop that

(just saying, so not everyone does the same now)

@Optimizer grrr

@NathanMerrill learnxinyminutes.com?

Eric Tressler

8:03 PM

What front page

Nathan Merrill

thats it!

thanks!

Martin Büttner

@EricTressler ppcg

Optimizer

@MartinBüttner Oh, should I have said w3fools ? :P

Eric Tressler

@MartinBüttner do you just mean "All questions"?

Martin Büttner

@EricTressler codegolf.stackexchange.com

the page you get to when you click on the site "logo"

the one that's always sorted by activity

Optimizer

8:04 PM

need more examples

the one where Aaron is currently spamming

@MartinBüttner @ □

Eric Tressler

i got some more reputation yesterday for a MO question I asked 2 years ago

still no answers :(

@MartinBüttner I see now; I wasn't really aware of that feature

Martin Büttner

I believe it's how most regulars on PPCG use the site (it's obviously fairly useless on the more active sites)

Optimizer

that is a very interesting situation with that snowflake question

Martin Büttner

@feersum What does that question have to do with the koch snowflake?

oh, there was a bonus

nevermind

Optimizer

8:24 PM

them double staircases -_-

Optimizer

8:36 PM

I wish hats showed progress

Optimizer

8:48 PM

we are at 2.5 questions per day.

up by 0.2

Martin Büttner

@Optimizer this is the saddest thing about that :(

Rainbolt

The difference in quality between bugs that developers write and bugs that testers write is astounding. The newest developer found bug reads:
"The message buffer is unstable."
and it has a description of
"Some quirky things are going on, and it may not be our fault."

That's verbatim, written by a developer who has been coding here for 18 years.

FryAmTheEggman

"Bug" - "Something is buggy"

Doorknob 冰

> it's borken

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Martin Büttner

Actually, I think if all higher math professors had to write for the Simple English Wikipedia for a year, we'd be in much better shape academically.

Geobits

9:01 PM

@Rainbolt Are you saying the testers are worse? I can't judge for myself because I don't have a sample from them ;)

Rainbolt

@Geobits Our testers attach entire databases to even the simplest of bugs. They are soulless bug writing machines.

(Disclaimer: Testers are actually very nice people with souls.)

Eric Tressler

they are bug finding machines

FryAmTheEggman

^ (Subject verb agreement ;p)

Lembik

9:17 PM

@EricTressler thanks.. apparently the answer is wireless access points all on the same ssid

Peter Taylor

@EricTressler Nor is the first. It's orthography.

Lembik

@EricTressler oh did you get a chance to look at my challenge by any chance?

Eric Tressler

@PeterTaylor Sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about

@Lembik no, let me take a look

Peter Taylor

Click the up-left arrow before the @ and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Lembik

@EricTressler thanks. The question is whether there is secretly some math that can help :)

@EricTressler instead of all this low level C++ coding

mathoverflow.net/questions/62156/… is fun!

Eric Tressler

9:21 PM

oh. thanks

@PeterTaylor Thanks, that's useful

Lembik, as far as I know, that's a very hard problem (the one on MO)

Lembik

@EricTressler if you have any thoughts about my challenge I would love to hear them. A few symmetries were spotted but I can't believe there isn't more that can be said .. if only I knew the math :)

@EricTressler oh wait.. maybe we are talking about different questiojns

Peter Taylor

Quite possibly, given that all yours look alike ;)

Lembik

@PeterTaylor :) every time you say that I paste codegolf.stackexchange.com/users/9206/lembik

@EricTressler I meant codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/42299/…

Eric Tressler

The maneuvering problem on S^2. If you read Bill Thurston's response, you can sort of tell how difficult it is

Lembik

@EricTressler oh I see! Sorry I was totally confused

@EricTressler yes it does look hard and very interesting

Eric Tressler

9:24 PM

He was extremely famous, and has unfortunately since died

him answering that was kind of like having a Nobel laureate answer your question on physics.stackexchange

Lembik

:) that's really great

I like it when Peter Shor answers questions about Shor's algorithm

which happens a few times

Eric Tressler

Yeah, I've corresponded a tiny bit with Shor

Lembik

@EricTressler I should go soon but if you get a chance to look at my question please do leave me a message, or add a comment to the question.. or anything really :)

attach something to a carrier pigeon :)

Eric Tressler

@Lembik I read it, but I'll say something after I've thought about it a little while.

Lembik

@EricTressler thanks. I really look forward to it

Rainbolt

9:31 PM

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Q: Prepositional phrase agreement with the rest of the sentence

Is the following sentence grammatically correct? Our testers are actually very nice people with a soul. Assuming it is grammatically correct, is it logically correct? Am I implying that all of our testers share a single soul? I understand that there are less confusing alternatives, such as...

subject-verb-agreement

Martin Büttner

@PeterTaylor re your comments... good point about the clap. but for the fire storm, casting two of them isn't possible, so I thought it would be unambiguous. I'll change it though.

feersum

they have only one soul

tester hive mind!

Martin Büttner

@PeterTaylor fixed

Geobits

> But since the common understanding of the meaning of soul makes this unlikely...

Since when do we use "common understanding" here? Obviously we should be looking for any possible ambiguity to exploit.

feersum

but if we use common understanding, then it become simply incorrect!

FryAmTheEggman

9:41 PM

@Rainbolt :P

Optimizer

The biggest troll award now goes to @Doorknob冰

Eric Tressler

Link?

Martin Büttner

4

Q: Reverse indentation

I've heard that your code can run faster if you indent it in reverse, so that the compiler can process it like a tree design pattern from the very top of the "branches" down. This helps because gravity will speed up the time it takes for your code to be compiled, and the data structure efficien...

code-golf string

Rainbolt

@Optimizer I see that my goal of infuriating as many people as possible with the first two paragraphs has been achieved. ;) — Doorknob 冰 ♦ 12 mins ago

Martin Büttner

it's a really nice challenge actually :)

Rainbolt

9:55 PM

Whoah. I broke the chat reply feature.

Hover over the comment. Does it highlight Eric or Optimizer?

Oh I see. Doorknob was actually replying to Optimizer. Ignore me.

Martin Büttner

@Sp3000 runner 2 has some seriously creepy levels. :D ... I just played one where the slenderman was occasionally lurking in the background :D

Sp3000

D:

Martin Büttner

that indentation challenge will go viral :D

Sp3000

You should get an answer in fast then :P

Optimizer

he's getting that hat!

Martin Büttner

10:06 PM

that hat?

ah, that hat

Optimizer

oh, its already 29 minutes! :(

time flies on PPCG

Martin Büttner

yeah

Sp3000

To get that hat you'd need to come up with a Calvin-quality domino-code

Optimizer

or a very easy question which potentially gets closed after 20 minutes and gets 5+ answers

Hipster style ping - @frya

FryAmTheEggman

What is Bruce Lee's favourite element? FRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAA

Optimizer

10:09 PM

lame

Silly Frya, it has to end with lee

FryAmTheEggman

:P

Martin Büttner

ugh, I hate it when online interpreters are outdated

(I hate it even more if I then discover that my local interpreter isn't any newer...)

Rainbolt

I'm right with you buddy. Nearly everything I type gets misinterpreted.

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Martin Büttner

+1 for the meta-joke

Geobits

@Rainbolt I'm not sure what you mean by that. Are you saying something about tips again?

Martin Büttner

10:23 PM

Take that, Python.

@Optimizer lol Sc

Optimizer

:D well.

Martin Büttner

32f-

Optimizer

@MartinBüttner how are you putting the right space back in your answer ?

Martin Büttner

@Optimizer "right space"?

Optimizer

you sort the spaces and then inverse and zp

after that I am lost

Martin Büttner

10:25 PM

gsub

"substitute globally"

the inverse and zip becomes a hash, which is used to look up string replacements

Optimizer

sad that cjam er does not work like that

Martin Büttner

heh

it's more like Ruby's tr

Optimizer

yeah

Martin Büttner

your solution isn't right though

do you just subtract from the longest length?

that only works for equidistant intentations

try the abcdefgh example

Optimizer

also, 32f- won't work.

@MartinBüttner ah. lets see then.

there you go.

Martin Büttner

10:35 PM

32f-:g is still shorter.

Optimizer

:g does not work

remember ?

Martin Büttner

then Scf=:!

Optimizer

actually, I dont even need all that :D

Martin Büttner

qN/_{Scf=:!1a/0=,}%___&$_W%er]z{~S*@+>N}%

Sp3000

@undergroundmonorail I just tried to Python but I ended up too similar to yours. But I think it'd be shorter in Python 3

undergroundmonorail

10:39 PM

probably. raw_input() is 4 characters longer than input() and print() is only 2 longer than print

Sp3000

f=lambda x:len(x)-len(x.lstrip())
s=input().split("|")
*y,=set(map(f,s))
for l in s:print(" "*y[~y.index(f(l))]+l.lstrip())

Martin Büttner

@Optimizer you still don't need that backslash at the end

Optimizer

oh

ok

undergroundmonorail

@Sp3000 ooo

Optimizer

6 more bytes to go

Sp3000

10:41 PM

@undergroundmonorail I found out once that doing x=[];x+=set(y) for some reason sorts y. I can't find it in the docs though

undergroundmonorail

i think it's technically undefined. at least in python2. but if it works for you, all's fair ;)

Sp3000

... I'll see if I can do something else, I don't feel right posting practically the same thing :P

Martin Büttner

@Optimizer probably not with this approach

Optimizer

yeah

Martin Büttner

@Optimizer qN/_{S/{,!},,}%___&$_W%er]z{~S*@+>N}%

Optimizer

10:52 PM

nice!

i'll finish explaining this first. almost done.

Martin Büttner

not sure why this one doesn't work though: qN/_{S/{,}#}%___&$_W%er]z{~S*@+>N}%

Eric Tressler

Maybe that's because you're writing it in Gibberish :(

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Martin Büttner

lol

it looks very readable to me :P

Eric Tressler

is there a language called Gibberish? If there isn't, we should make one

feersum

think there is

Optimizer

10:57 PM

there is

Eric Tressler

Yeah, I googled it. dammit

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