The Whiteboard

12:44 AM

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it should be moved to Programmers (option didn't appear in the question belongs on another site option) — Francisco Noriega 1 min ago

Duga

1:32 AM

@FranciscoNoriega Programmers.SE is no more a source of SEO expertise than Stack Overflow is. The question doesn't touch on any of the topics covered in the help center for being on topic. As it is written, this question would likely be closed on Programmers.SE... and I'm not really sure how to make it fit the scope of the site. — MichaelT 40 secs ago

user55340

@whatsisname Yep.

user55340

I know mods love moderating locked questions... but could you please clean up some of:

user55340

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Q: How Do Computers Work?

This is almost embarrassing ask...I have a degree in Computer Science (and a second one in progress). I've worked as a full-time .NET Developer for nearly five years. I generally seem competent at what I do. But I Don't Know How Computers Work! Please, bare with me for a second. A quick Goog...

user55340

In particular:

user55340

0

A: How Do Computers Work?

Well, despite being an expert Z80, 6502, 6809, 68K and 80x86 assembler programmer (or at least I was 20 years ago) I can frankly say I know zilch about digital logic, transistors or electrons. So don't feel so bad!

Jimmy Hoffa

2:19 AM

@WorldEngineer is the only religion I know anything at all about

Robert Harvey

2:33 AM

Seldom do people on their deathbed say "Gee, I wish I'd worked harder," More often, they express the wish that they'd spent more time with their families.

Heaven forbid people be lauded for finding a niche, getting good at it, and settling in, while enjoying time with their families and living a balanced lifestyle. Instead, we push people to play the image game: make sure your resume is shiny and paints a robust picture of ambition, just in case the zombie apocalypse hits and we all have to look for jobs... where exactly?

Telastyn

feh, religion.

Robert Harvey

linkedin.com/pulse/happy-work-beware-velvet-coffin-suzy-welch

Telastyn

I wish I'd worked harder on my own projects.

Robert Harvey

Nowhere is this attitude more evident than in the software industry. "You don't write code outside of work? What's wrong with you?"

Telastyn

enh. I would argue that you can't be happy in a job until you're happy to do it for free.

though linkedin articles are progressively not great.

Robert Harvey

2:41 AM

Everyone's writing articles to become "in"fluencers. Many of them are authors or public speakers, and use it as a platform to promote themselves.

Telastyn

indeed. they might do a better job with better articles.

Robert Harvey

If writing software were the only thing I had to do in a job, then maybe I'd continue to do it after hours. But there are other demands on my time. By the time I get home from a full-time occupation, there isn't much energy left for writing the next Angry Birds.

I still have to eat once in awhile, and go to the gym. And there's still that pesky old dream of becoming a concert pianist.

Oh, and wife time. Can't forget wife time.

Telastyn

or else.

Duga

2:58 AM

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because off topic, possibly for programmers.SE — Steve Bennett 1 min ago

user965347

3:17 AM

yooo

scrum or not?

whatsisname

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Q: What causes floating point rounding errors?

I am aware that floating point arithmetic has precision problems. I usually overcome them by switching to a fixed decimal representation of the number, or simply by neglecting the error. However, I do not know what are the causes of this inaccuracy. Why are there so many rounding issues with flo...

float numeric-precision

the dragon of numerical error is such a glorious intro to an article about floating point math

Duga

3:46 AM

@SteveBennett this question is off topic on Programmers.SE - "what language ..." is specifically listed in the help center as off topic. You may wish to read What goes on Programmers.SE? A guide for Stack Overflow to get a better idea of what types of questions should be migrated to Programmers.SE. — MichaelT 57 secs ago

user55340

Lets see how high we can get @gnat's blood pressure:

user55340

0

Q: Off-topic triage options for migration don't include programmers.SE

Weirdly there doesn't seem to be a way to say a question is off topic, but doesn't belong on one of those 5 specific sites.

discussion vote-to-close migration

whatsisname

lol

user55340

Incidentally, that meta post was from the same person as the Duga comment that I just replied to.

whatsisname

nice

Duga

4:14 AM

This question is probably better suited for programmers.SE — Loocid 31 secs ago

Duga

4:38 AM

@Loocidthis question is a very poor fit for Programmers - it would be quickly voted down and closed over there, see Why do interview questions make poor Programmers.SE questions? Recommended reading: What goes on Programmers.SE? A guide for Stack Overflow — gnat 1 min ago

Duga

7:30 AM

This question would probably be a better match for programmers.stackexchange.com — Havelock 28 secs ago

Duga

9:14 AM

This question is useful and has a useful answer for programmers. Why on earth was this closed as off-topic? — mydoghasworms 53 secs ago

Since this is primarily opinion based as Daan mentioned I feel this question will get closed down pretty fast. This is not the right stack to ask this question. Try asking programmers.stackexchange.com — cptnk 16 secs ago

Duga

10:54 AM

Hi, unfortunately this question is regarded as off-topic in StackOverflow. You ought to try programmers.stackexchange.com. — Juxhin 1 min ago

@Juxhin no it's not this is at its core a "what books should I read" question which is off-topic everywhere on SE. I suggest you read What goes on Programmers.SE? A guide for Stack Overflow — ratchet freak 1 min ago

user55340

11:31 AM

quora Why do some developers at strong companies like Google consider Agile development to be nonsense

Thomas Owens

11:49 AM

I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on the FAQ page update in 10 minutes.

Last call for feedback.

Thomas Owens

12:30 PM

It is live, BTWs.

Updated the Help Center page and the FAQ tag wiki page on Meta. There's still some likely cleanup on the tools question, though.

Feel free to take a crack at the tools question, if you're game.

user114359

Which page, exactly?

Thomas Owens

The help/on-topic. The one that there was a featured Meta post about for a little over a week.

programmers.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic

5

Q: Help Center tuning: "help/on-topic/and it is not about..." += references to meta guidance

Per recent discussion, I drafted some updates I'd like to have in Help Center -> What topics can I ask about here, section not about... Added text is in bold, deleted is crossed, and some links are added and changed (more details under the draft): and it is not about... general workp...

discussion status-completed featured close-reasons help-center

user114359

I thought that was the one, I just wanted to be sure

user114359

morning - caffeine == slow

Thomas Owens

Ah. Yes indeed.

durron597

12:48 PM

user114359

@MichaelT Agile is nonsense because nobody in management, and I mean nobody, has read or understands the Agile Manifesto.

user114359

That article is correct and says the same thing that I have been saying for years.

MetaFight

any MongoDB gurus here?

I just picked it up and I'm wondering if what I'm trying to do is even possible.

durron597

@ThomasOwens I agree with @MichaelT that we should have that " ~~All People~~ ~~All Careers~~ All Programmers ~~Just You~~ " graphic

MetaFight

I have a set of documents, each with a "version" and an "effectiveOn" date. All versions of a document share a common "rootId". Given a date, I'm trying to find the version that is effective at that date. That is, group all documents by "rootId", only consider those with "effectiveOn" less than the date specified, and return only the version with the latest "effectiveOn" value in each group.

in short, is it possible to query for: the document with the latest "effectiveOn" value that is still less then the provided date?

user114359

1:02 PM

Does SO have any questions on how to do that? Sounds like nobody currently here knows MongoDB.

MetaFight

I'm having a hard time finding questions about it. Probably because I'm still very new to Mongo and I don't know the lingo yet.

Also, I'm using the C# driver, and there seems to be an old way of doing things, a newer way of doing things, and the linq way of doing things.... which means lots of documentation framentation.

No biggy. I'm going to need to familiarize myself with this anyway. I'm sure it'll become clear soon enough.

user55340

@durron597 I'm of the get rid of it opinion.

durron597

@MichaelT oh. ha!

user55340

I just haven't done a merge of the current proposed.

user55340

@ThomasOwens looks good. There is something that is still irking me about that diagram that doesn't fit with the times. The "just you" part I feel is an artifact of the "too localized" close reason. And the "all programmers" has been often mentioned in an attempt to justify career questions (even though that is what the "just you" was trying to point at). Those "just you" reasons are now covered in our off topic reasons of next project and career education. — MichaelT Mar 19 at 0:47

durron597

1:11 PM

@MichaelT That makes sense, but I'm afraid of too much "wall of text" in the help center. it's sort of tl;dr right now

It's less about that picture and more about "any picture"

user55340

Big circle causes other distractions and emphasized the wrong things.

user55340

Oolong (rabbit)

Oolong (ウーロン, Ūron)(Originated from Chinese: 烏龍) (July 28, 1994 – January 7, 2003) was a domestic rabbit owned by Hironori Akutagawa. Oolong became an Internet phenomenon through his owner, Akutagawa, uploading images of the rabbit with objects balanced on his head because of his skills of balancing items such as dorayaki and others. Akutagawa's site featured "photo journeys" of Oolong traveling with his master through the house, yard, and other locations. The website became known to a wider audience when it was covered in 2001 by Syberpunk, a site which focuses on odd aspects of Japanese culture...

user55340

There is a picture for you @durron597

durron597

1:38 PM

Possible reversal badge:

-3

Q: Are there any compilers that will turn an else-if cascade into a switch?

I don't like switch in C and its descendants. Maybe its the need for a break or the clumsiness of the syntax requiring a shifting of mental gears, I don't know. Whatever the reason, I will almost always write a sequence of else-if conditions examining the same variable rather than write a switch...

language-agnostic compilers efficiency

The only reversal badge on progs that has not been deleted:

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A: are programmers more forgiving of buggy software?

Short answer: No! I am not more forgiving! <rant> After 40 years in this business I know what it takes to get things right -- it takes having personal pride in your end-product. And it pisses me off to see sloppy, 'I don't give a f*ck' software being foisted on the general public. And I don't r...

Telastyn

2:03 PM

accursed UI work

Robert Harvey

Why is it accursed?

ratchet freak

@RobertHarvey it's UI, most bugs exist between the char and the keyboard

user114359

^ this

Robert Harvey

My char looks like an L

user114359

Make an idiot-proof UI, God builds a dumber idiot.

durron597

2:15 PM

Robert Harvey

So validation, then?

Good UI is hard. But it's very satisfying when it's done well.

UI is the art part of software development. UI is what makes the difference between someone using your software and not using it, or using it productively vs. not.

user55340

@Snowman en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Rick_Cook

user55340

Ack, m in there. Sorry. en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Rick_Cook

Telastyn

@RobertHarvey - because the schema, data import script, DAL, actual API functionality... all that took 3 days

user55340

> Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.

Telastyn

2:19 PM

now getting the UI done to configure the thing is likely to take a few weeks of hammering at JavaScript's lack of goodness.

user55340

> goodreads.com/author/quotes/230692.Rick_Cook

durron597

Jan 23 at 19:51, by durron597

It has also renewed my hatred for javascript.

user55340

For @AshleyNunn

user55340

> Moira nodded vigorously. She didn't know what BASIC or COBOL were, except that Wiz said they caused brain damage in those who used them.”

user55340

neil.franklin.ch/Jokes_and_Fun/Wizardry_Compiled_Quotes.html

Telastyn

2:23 PM

like here. "all" I need to do is make a jQuery autocomplete box.

but the callback isn't triggered, because some Bulgarians decided we should use telerik for this UI

(I presume. I have no idea why it's not triggered.)

user114359

@RobertHarvey UI development is crucial, I agree. It makes a huge difference like you said. However, it is very unforgiving and users can be real jerks about it.

user114359

Also, users are dumb. If they were smart, they could write their own software.

Robert Harvey

Yes, exactly. User's don't always know what good UI is, so they X Y you all the time.

rwong

@Snowman It is not necessary an issue of intelligence or proper judgement. Users do not know your source code, therefore users treat software as a black box. A software user must form a "conceptual model" of how the software operates, based on clues that a user can obtain - (1) from metaphors, (2) from the physical world, (3) from other software's conceptual models, (4) from clues embedded into the design of the UI.

durron597

@RobertHarvey But programmers often don't understand users use case

Really the issue is that there isn't good communication between users and programmers.

Robert Harvey

2:29 PM

Rapid, iterative prototyping, until both sides are happy.

user15026

@MichaelT giggles yeah that sounds about right

durron597

rwong

Most of the time, the conceptual model is very different from how the programmer thinks. But once a programmer is introduced to "how the user thinks", a programmer will tend to see that it is logical (rational), although it might not match what the algorithm actually does.

Telastyn

it might be logical, but one key part is hand-wave "magic happens"

rwong

Also, given 100 users, they may have 99 different "conceptual models". More complicated software are more likely to have divergent user understandings.

user114359

2:32 PM

@rwong I know this, I am just trolling. While there are a lot of dumb users out there, thankfully I no longer write software for the general public. That is the worst.

enderland

this is why you create user personas for your target user audience, so you can better classify them and identify what their conceptual model actually is

and why there are lots of UX strategies to learn what those models are

doing UI development for this sort of thing without having some level of UX/HCI is basically shooting in the dark

Robert Harvey

@rwong There's a simple answer to that question... Force all of the angles of the quadrilateral to stay at 90 degrees.

durron597

@rwong That is an excellent question. I might register to upvote it, I'm stunned it only has 1 vote

enderland

most programmers mock things like card sorting or user personas or usability anything as being complete wastes of time, but the reality is that most often you have to do that sort of work to really understand your user base (unless it's programmers)

@durron597 UX is incredibly stingy on upvotes

Robert Harvey

balsamiq.com/products/mockups

rwong

2:41 PM

UX likes to quote that amazon.com/The-Inmates-Are-Running-Asylum/dp/0672326140 and the "algorithm models" implemented by programmers are a tyranny that must be killed

enderland

@rwong well most developers assume the rest of the world thinks the way they do, and if not, should ;)

Telastyn

users are the worst.

rwong

Need harmony and world peace.

And, no more tyrants.

This is why liberal studies are important for the Computer Science major. In particular, disciplines that require field-study and interview techniques.

Unfortunately, for a person who has never conducted an interview, one could confuse interview with interrogation.

durron597

@rwong Yeah! Let's go send troops all over the world and kill all those dictators and human rights violators! Let's get 'em

user55340

@AshleyNunn baenebooks.com/s-23-rick-cook.aspx

rwong

2:48 PM

Is a programmer's job interview ... more of an interrogation?

Robert Harvey

Is there any difference?

How to Answer the 31 Most Common Interview Questions

enderland

@RobertHarvey skip #4... :)

Robert Harvey

How, by saying I'm not going to answer it? Most companies seem really eager to ask: "Tell us why we are so awesome that you want to come work for us."

enderland

@RobertHarvey no this room has gone round and round that question for a while lol

user15026

@MichaelT :D

Robert Harvey

2:53 PM

@enderland What's the tl;dr?

user41796

@RobertHarvey Companies ask it so you can fluff them up. Future employees almost always lie about it. There are exceptions to those generalities. Counter-argument is that it shows the person did some research about the company or was paying attention during earlier interviews. Others argue it shows what motivates a person. Net result - companies will still ask the question and candidates will continue to hate the question.

Ampt

Just finished The Moon is a Harsh Mistress

pretty good

Heinlein's as heinleiny as ever

super hero named mike, lots of Polyamorous relationships, straight hating on north american war mongers. Would recommend!

durron597

@Ampt That book influences my politics pretty hard

Robert Harvey

@GlenH7 Thanks. One thing I realized about most companies is they keep the real information about themselves very close to the vest. There was a flag cast on SO on a question about Amazon's internal development processes, stating that the information was privileged. I deleted the post, but was amused by the fact that there was nothing, really, in the post that could harm Amazon. I think Amazon was just bent out of shape that someone on their staff violated their NDA.

Ampt

@durron597 it's pretty good. I like that he admitted how idealist his viewpoints were

durron597

2:58 PM

@Ampt Well, I'm no anarchist. His example is over the top to make the point (like most fiction)

user41796

@RobertHarvey And they didn't ask for the identity of the poster since they had already traced the network logs to figure it out... :-)

Robert Harvey

Probably. Increasingly I find corporate thinking quite bizarre. Much of it is "This other company is doing it, so it must be a good idea." Also, "I'm just an employee; it's not my problem." Not really an issue, unless everyone in the corporation takes that position.

Ampt

@durron597 Sorry, we don't need you for the cause.

user15026

@Ampt I really liked that one.

durron597

@Ampt I think the point is that Gospodin Bork is just a regular guy

Ampt

3:00 PM

A regular guy with a superhero best friend...

durron597

@Ampt Though it really dates itself in the first few pages about how it brags that mike can make "millions" of decisions per second. hah

Ampt

@durron597 or the millions in damages caused by bombing a city...

Robert Harvey

My latest favorite corporate thinking: "My lawyers won't let me do it."

Ampt

I dislike how mike's role was never revealed - an entirely new sentient species born and destroyed

if you don't count his retarded step-son that is

enderland

3:25 PM

this sounds like the divergent series...

Ampt

don't spoil it for me

I'm watching the movies

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt pfleh, the first one was horrible

I'd go with the books if I had any interest in the story, but the first movie ruined any interest in the story I had

I'll be surprised if they get to do the sequel considering how bad the first movie was

Ampt

but don't you see?! She's Unique!

she has the special power

of not being afraid of stuff

Telastyn

like Daredevil?

didn't people learn how unprofitable that is?

Ampt

> Budget $85 million[2][3]
Box office $288.7 million[3]

enderland

3:32 PM

my team is currently ~~debating~~ bashing git vs mercurial...

Ampt

uuuggghhh

Tell everyone who likes mercurial to prove it by doing mercury shots

that should put an end to it

enderland

I like mercurial better...

Ampt

DEATH TO THE INFIDELS!

... Suddenly the Shia–Sunni relations don't seem so outlandish

Telastyn

I theoretically like mercurial better, but git has basically won. And I don't care enough about my source control to even argue about it on the internet.

enderland

what about your command line text editor?

lol

durron597

3:47 PM

obligatory:

enderland

:)

durron597

poll the room: how guilty do you feel when you make a mistake that costs 1 or 2 days worth of your time

And not much else bad

Telastyn

guilty? not so much. stupid maybe.

durron597

As mentioned, my test server's hard drive crashed. I was setting it up again the way I had it, but I realized this morning that it was a converted ubuntu desktop install, when production is a centos server. I had always meant to take the time to convert it to a centos server but I never wanted to take the time

Telastyn

heh, oops

durron597

3:53 PM

and this morning I was like "wait a minute. why the hell didn't I just put centos on the dang thing" so I just spent the morning downloading the centos isos and starting over

a day and a half in the toilet. oh well. but i think starting over was the right decision

enderland

@durron597 c'est la vie

user114359

I do not feel bad about it because it happens rarely. We all make mistakes. A day or two of salary is nothing compared to some of the boondoggles that have happened in this world.

durron597

I guess it stings more because the hard drive crashing in the first place cost all this wasted time in the first place, and my mistake just doubled it

well, not doubled. i spent some time diagnosing the refusal to boot and more time trying to recover the drive

Telastyn

that sort of "oh crap, I need to fix it" scenario lends itself to additional oopsies.

user114359

At least you did not try to solve it with regular expressions.

user114359

4:04 PM

127

Q: What is meant by "Now you have two problems"?

There is a popular quote by Jamie Zawinski: Some people, when confronted with a problem, think "I know, I'll use regular expressions." Now they have two problems. How is this quote supposed to be understood?

regular-expressions language-discussion

durron597

Mar 2 at 17:10, by Robert Harvey

Some people, when confronted with a problem, think "I know, I'll use an IoC container." Now they have a factory of problems.

user114359

One time, a long time ago, I actually hid a class named ProblemFactory in an application I was writing as an Easter egg.

Robert Harvey

You wrote an Easter Egg application?

(had to point out the dangling modifier there)

user114359

My grammar parses correctly, Mr. Pedant.

user114359

4:19 PM

I might not grammar goodly all the time though

Robert Harvey

Some people, when confronted with a problem, think "I know, I'll use a dangling modifier." Now their problem is a problem for the wrong thing.

whatsisname

blargh

Jimmy Hoffa

@Snowman Go grammar yourself!

@RobertHarvey Get grammared!

enderland

it's funny how you can get a "Famous Question" badge and still have only a few upvotes on the question...

Robert Harvey

@whatsisname Yeah, not that funny.

user114359

4:25 PM

I figure this may technically be written communication but I treat it like verbal. It is informal. So if I fail to grammar well, oh well.

rwong

Okay please STOP registering accounts on UX site just to upvote UNLESS you're truly working on UX. I have stopped working on UX so that question is not relevant to me anymore.

user15026

@rwong ???

Ampt

@rwong uhhh... what?

rwong

Wish i could delete my chat posts ... sigh

Ampt

wrong room?

Robert Harvey

4:37 PM

There's lots of people with blue names in here... Just ask.

ratchet freak

or beg and become a room owner...

I'm still not one though :(

Ampt

that doesn't let you delete messages :P

user41796

@ratchetfreak room owners don't have magical powers with deleting older chat comments - old mods

enderland

this is kinda a mod hangout though

user41796

@rwong Your chat comment to it is now gone.

user41796

4:42 PM

@enderland It really is

Ampt

@GlenH7 what? I'm really missing out here

user15026

@enderland There is an interesting number of blues, yes

Robert Harvey

Funny how this is the only genuinely civilized room in the lot.

Even Teacher's Lounge gets a bit contentious sometimes.

user41796

@Ampt He had linked to a question he had asked on UX. The chat link was triggering folk to log into UX and up vote, which he didn't really want

Jimmy Hoffa

@ratchetfreak room owner just means I think we can...mute people if they're disruptive? Or kick them maybe? Not certain frankly. Mostly it means we can pin important things or edit the room tags

yeah I don't know if we can do anything like muting or kicking actually.

Just means we can put things like grog-nerds in place if we feel like it

(good grog is actually very pleasant)

enderland

4:45 PM

@RobertHarvey ban all the ~~users~~ heretics

Ampt

@GlenH7 I... uh... why is that a bad thing?

user41796

@Ampt Some don't want votes from a "chat room effect", especially if they've stopped frequenting that site on a regular basis

Robert Harvey

Meh, people can do whatever they want, so long as it's within the rules.

durron597

@rwong I didn't actually do it.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt new drinking task for you: Learn to enjoy a good Grog.

....ok, so maybe I just want some Grog on this fine Friday...

durron597

4:50 PM

Jimmy Hoffa

it snowed on wednesday, and it's a high of 73 today.

@durron597 O_o

time to go do the ol' taxes

enderland

@JimmyHoffa I'm increasingly paranoid of state/gov running out of money and so I've been doing my returns as early as I can..

Telastyn

"running out of money"? they print the money...

whatsisname

I had to do taxes this past weekend

miserable

durron597

whatsisname

4:58 PM

if you have to pay in, don't send that in until april 15th

rwong

@GlenH7 Thanks!!

user41796

np. Always happy to abuse my blue powers. :-)

Ampt

Clears throat

user41796

@Ampt What? You need some comments edited? :-P

Duga

5:14 PM

I don't find The Nuremberg Defense particularly persuasive: if I'm instructed to do something badly, I see it as my responsibility to educate my superiors as to why their instructions are harmful and how we would all benefit from a better approach. But I'm not trying to stop you from obtaining an answer to your question—I've neither voted to close it, nor have I downvoted. I'm just saying that I would rather spend the (really rather limited) amount of time that I have available for helping people on this site on issues that assist them in becoming better programmers. — eggyal 1 min ago

ratchet freak

@Duga false positive

user114359

He is working fairly well regardless of this false positive.

ratchet freak

I know

though how many false negatives are getting through?

whatsisname

lol

user114359

I would expect zero.

psr

5:40 PM

@rwong I have 310 rep on UX, I'll have you know! My upvoting powers were already godlike.

user114359

I have 101 rep on UX, and I registered one year ago according to my account page.

user114359

I still upvoted his question because I thought it was a good one.

Amaan R.

Hi guys, any way to disallow 302 redirection to my site? Someone trying to 302 hijack my SERP.

user114359

5:56 PM

I doubt that is possible, but you might have better luck asking at Webmasters.SE chat. Or even search there to see if that question has been asked.

enderland

@psr you beat me, I have something like 250

user114359

HTTP 302 is simply a response that instructs the client to make a second request to a different location, I am not sure how you can prevent that other than unplugging the network cable.

durron597

6:12 PM

wow. mold is insane in texas. I bought a loaf of bread and I ate two slices of it every day, and there was a mold spot on it before it was gone

user41796

warm humid weather will do that

rwong

@AmaanR. Search for "Google authorship markup" ?

nevermind ...

psr

@enderland If I knew anything about UX god knows how high my rep might be!

durron597

@GlenH7 yup, good thing I bought rice cakes yesterday. at least i have something to put my pb on

user41796

crackers work well for the PB as well

durron597

6:16 PM

@GlenH7 yeah, but i like rice cakes more

for PB, anyway. crackers are superior for hummus

user41796

pretzel chips for hummus

durron597

@GlenH7 ha, i think pretzels are for peanut butter

samsclub.com/sams/dc-pb-pretzels-44-oz/prod11910176.ip

I can't buy that anymore i eat them too fast lol

user41796

@durron597 I specifically don't buy those from costco for that reason

user41796

That moment when you realize you left a performance crippling debug statement in the code that got checked in quite some time ago. And then the realization that the user never complained about it.... <sigh>

user114359

I buy that exact pretzel and peanut butter container from Sam's. I actually just ran out, time for more.

durron597

6:25 PM

@Snowman I bought it once, finished it in less than a week, loosened my belt buckle, and decided never to buy it again ;)

user114359

It takes me a bit more than a week to finish it

user41796

@durron597 exercise more?

durron597

@GlenH7 already play tennis 4x/week

user41796

play harder?

user41796

<--- Not helpful

user41796

6:28 PM

In full disclosure, when I made the Irish cupcakes, I made a half batch (12 instead of 24) and gave away 8 of them. All to avoid the same belt issues.

durron597

@GlenH7 It's not just the calories, it's the salt

Exercise can't do much about salt.

GlenH7: drink more water?

user41796

It was going to be more like: exercise causes you to drink more water; more water dilutes more salt; therefore exercising more means you can eat more salty things.

durron597

Speaking of salt, I just started playing Bioshock Infinite. In that game you need salt to use your magic powers. You get salt from drinking coffee, smoking cigarettes, drinking soda... basically it means you can cast spells by eating junk food

user41796

smoking cigarettes gives you salt?!

durron597

@GlenH7 I no rite?

user41796

6:32 PM

That's an odd gameplay mechanism

durron597

@GlenH7 bioshock.wikia.com/wiki/Cigarettes_(Columbia)

user114359

Maybe nicotine contains sodium atoms which your blood can separate in the lungs?

user41796

Jacked up gameplay: bioshock.wikia.com/wiki/Salts

user41796

> Certain consumables, such as coffee and soda, will also replenish a small portion of the player's Salts, while drinking alcohol will deplete a small amount.

user41796

"So we're going to encourage smoking, but discourage drinking alcohol. And then we're going to give twisted versions of what real world things actually do to the body." Brilliant. :-)

Jimmy Hoffa

6:41 PM

@durron597 O_o

If I remember how I used to make grog it's just one parts rum to 3 or 4 parts water and maybe half a part lemon juice or just half a fresh squeezed lemon

Duga

Agreed. I think there may be questions on there, and given that is about the how you work broader topic of how you work as a programmer, I would recommend breaking it up into smaller parts and asking on Programmers.SE. — Dave Hillier 1 min ago

Jimmy Hoffa

Something decent like meyers, mount gay, older cruzan

durron597

@JimmyHoffa Have you ever played the secret of monkey island?

Jimmy Hoffa

@durron597 it has been a very long time

Telastyn

that game is awesome due to story, not so much mechanics.

Jimmy Hoffa

6:49 PM

@durron597 I vaguely remember an island with a volcano shaped like a monkey head and that it was a funny classic puzzle style story. I don't even recall when I played it... why do you ask?

durron597

@JimmyHoffa That's what all those grog references are to

Jimmy Hoffa

oh. Whatever. I still encourage the occasional enjoyment of a nice Grog on a hot day. Very simply flavor.

In fact I have some Meyers in my freezer at home, that does it, I'll be having Grog when I get home tonight.

durron597

@JimmyHoffa There's nothing wrong with actual grog, it's just the game was funny and nostalgic of my youth. forget it :-P

whatsisname

i wish craigslist didn't create seperate bikes and bike parts categories

user15026

7:09 PM

@JimmyHoffa That sounds easy and tasty.

Jimmy Hoffa

@AshleyNunn it is easy, and a little odd - mostly tastes like the rum without the alcoholic bite. Very simple flavor but an ideal way to enjoy the rum itself I find, like with whiskey how you add an ice cube and dab of water to open it up.

Do not do with bacardi or some garbage...

user15026

@JimmyHoffa Noted.

rwong

@AmaanR. Looks like Google can't technically act on SERP hijacking because it is outside their jurisdiction to do so (i.e. not allowed to act on it legally). You have to contact the site's owner, or the site's host, or the site's host's host, and so on. If the hijacker uses the site to serve phishing or malware, you can report that. If the hijacker's site violates your copyright or trademark, you can try the DMCA route. Anyway, it is going to be involved, and unfortunately most of that effort

(Disclaimer: I am not a webmaster; I am just rehashing a bunch of stuff I found online.)

Unfortunately most of that effort can only be taken by the owner of the content, and if necessary, for the content owner to prove oneself via the legal route, which involves lawyers and if necessary the court.

Telastyn

accursed telerik garbage

Jimmy Hoffa

@Telastyn accurate statement, I assure you no one would mind if you elaborate some more in fact.

Telastyn

7:25 PM

it's removing my event handlers

and generally being a royal pain in the ass, because I don't want to do exactly what it wants to do.

more accurately, I want to use alternative tools.

since I don't want to push 200k items to the client so it can do autocomplete on them

user20683

@maple_shaft Something you might find interesting/salvific:

user20683

jobs.lever.co/duolingo/5da0e023-d9d7-44df-8265-4274914d17db

Jimmy Hoffa

@Telastyn michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2015/03/25/…

Telastyn

7:51 PM

shrug it's UI

worse, it's some programmer-UI for our OPs people

my primary goal is to spend as little time as humanly possible on it.

I expect that the most efficient UI would be telling them to enter a ticket with the stuff they want inserted into the DB

given how frequently I expect this to be used.

Robert Harvey

All hail the command line.

user55340

8:28 PM

$ banner long live the shell

user55340

8:38 PM

@durron597 pretzels are for mustard. Nothing else.

user55340

store.mustardmuseum.com/product/1651/…

user55340

Hmm. mustardmuseum.com/recipes/entrees/…

user15026

Pretzels are totally on my "make someday" list. Like properly, with food-grade lye.

user15026

Also proper bagels.

whatsisname

8:56 PM

pretzel buns for hamburgers are pure win

i should probably renew my boat buoy spot

durron597

9:10 PM

if i want to write a web application that will only ever be used internally (famous last words) that all it does is provide an xml response to a GET or POST request in java, what's the fastest way to deployment given that I haven't done web programming in years? Jetty? Tomcat? Other?

like an AJAX response, sort of, except there's no corresponding website

whatsisname

are you familiar with c# or python

derp, didn't see java

nevermind

unless you're not married to java

user41796

51

A: Tomcat VS Jetty

I love Jetty for its low maintenance cost. It's just unpack and it's ready to roll. Tomcat is a bit high maintenance, requires more configuration and it's heavier. Besides, Jetty's continuations are very cool. EDIT: In 2013, there are reports that Tomcat has gotten easier. See comments. I haven'...

durron597

@GlenH7 That post has three delete votes on it ;)

user41796

Not terribly high quality, I'll admit

user41796

But it sounds like Jetty is ready to roll, which is probably what you want

user55340

9:21 PM

Eric L got to 20k. I wonder if we will see him on answer deletes.

durron597

@whatsisname I haven't programmed in a language other than Java in a very long time. And the data I need to provide as an xml string is coming via a java api

whatsisname

gotcha

durron597

@MichaelT I am about to beat the Warlight Crazy challenge in 20 turns. Not with an AI, but still :-P Thanks for showing it to me

i'm outta here. have a good weekend everyone

whatsisname

9:44 PM

man I've barely done anything worthwhile today

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