The Whiteboard

Telastyn

12:04 AM

it depends?

there might be more things in the repository, caching for instance.

though I would generally prefer that sort of stuff to be a decorator around a db specific repo implementation

but such things are not always possible

you usually need to know something about the domain to cache things properly.

durron597

@Ixrec Is this question okay now?

Ixrec

I might be lacking the brain cells to re-judge that question properly, but I feel like I can no longer remember why it seemed close-worthy rather than edit-worthy

durron597

@Ixrec Before I edited it, it was very much a RAARARAARGH MY BOSS IS STOOPID TELL ME MY ANSWER IS RIGHT

Ixrec

I guess it was leaning that way, yeah

tbh I still can't even understand what idea #2 is supposed to mean, which I suppose means I strongly agree with the top answer

durron597

@Ixrec So does the highest voted answer

Ixrec

12:15 AM

retracted close vote for now

durron597

It's a dumb question, but it's not off topic.

Feel free to downvote it.

Ixrec

it's not even in the same league of badness as the stuff I downvoted on the front page today

it's probably fine as is

did you see the "wight lose" one?

durron597

@Ixrec Nah, all I ever see these days are things that come up in STCI searches.

And I'm out of CVs. 18 minutes after reset.

I'll redo the pin as soon as job-satisfaction is completely closed

It needs about 10 more CVs spread over 4 users

Ixrec

I think my CVs finally refilled so feel free to send me at things (I won't do a proper tag hunt until I'm fully awake tomorrow)

durron597

@Ixrec Just click on the job-satisfaction pin link

@Ixrec Yeah mine refilled too, 20 minutes ago, and they're already gone, mostly into your work-environment review tasks

Ixrec

12:21 AM

lol

"Suggestions wanted on dealing with hyper territorial team" for some reason on reading this title I immediately imagined a lot of hummingbirds sitting at keyboards...

durron597

@Ixrec lol

Ixrec

and there's a front-pager to nuke

user55340

12:54 AM

Hummingbird Feeder Mask

►

user55340

2:13 AM

Upvotes please (assuming we want a workplace advert to rotate in)

user55340

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A: Community Promotion Ads - 2015

Duga

Questions of this nature should probably be asked on programmers.stackexchange.com instead of here. — rmaddy 52 secs ago

This question isn't of sufficient quality to migrate to Programmers. — Robert Harvey ♦ 41 secs ago

Duga

11:47 AM

Since this question is not necessarily about writing code, it is perhaps better suited for a site like Programmers Stack Exchange — D. Visser 52 secs ago

Ixrec

1:48 PM

meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/revisions/7385/3

I'm honestly wondering if there's a bug in how links are handled there; I'm pretty sure I did not link to a specific answer when writing that post, and there's no real way to do that by accident considering how small the click target is for it

user55340

2:16 PM

@Ixrec The safest thing to do is do the 'share' link from the question. At some point, you followed a link to an answer and then C&P'ed the link from the header.

user55340

The easiest way to get to an answer link is clicking on the 'modified by' link on the question page or the 'last activity' in the post.

user55340

user55340

The modified by link takes you to

http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/7385/how-can-we-or-should-w‌e-keep-amateur-question-about-corrupt-software-open/?lastactivity

which then redirects to

http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/7385/how-can-we-or-should-w‌e-keep-amateur-question-about-corrupt-software-open/7386#7386

which is the answer link.

user55340

2:35 PM

IntelliJ sale for any who are waiting for it. 20 Years of Java -> 20% off

André

@MichaelT, you were right, IntelliJ refactoring and auto complete is pure goodness

user55340

@André and somewhere... I owe @Ampt another $0.05

André

@MichaelT Ha!

user55340

Anyways, if you haven't bough it yet, might be a time to do it. I doubt we'll see another end of the world sale anytime soon.

Duga

@Deduplicator etc., while this question obviously has no source code in it, and you're right that strictly speaking it's about copyright law, I disagree that it's OT. This question seems to fit the mold that is often discussed on the podcast: OT from a pedantic POV, but highly relevant to a programmer in need. I looked through the list of Stack Exchange sites and couldn't find one that would be a better fit and where programmers would find it. This question has 2 qualities that make it good for SO: 1. It helps the struggling programmer hoping to get work done, 2. It has a definitive answer. — RickDT 13 secs ago

@RickDT: Actually, licensing question, within reason, work on Programmers. — Deduplicator 33 secs ago

@Deduplicator Thanks! Is there anything I can/should do to help with the migration? Btw, when I read the description of Programmers it seemed like an even less suitable home for the question: "Q&A for professional programmers interested in conceptual questions about software development". I think the word conceptual lead to me think it was more strictly scoped than S.O. (things like language design, and other "closer to the metal" stuff). — RickDT 52 secs ago

Ampt

2:58 PM

@MichaelT I accept Bitcoin!

André

What, no Dogecoin?

Much disappointment, such sad

user55340

@Duga Oh... people arguing about a question from '09 if it should be on P.SE or not?

Ampt

3:23 PM

Dogecoin much volatile, very indecision

Duga

4:30 PM

@DaveMateer License questions are on-topic, legal questions are explicitly off-topic at Programmers. — Kevin Brown 59 secs ago

Duga

4:46 PM

As I understand, your question boils down to the "Lazy loading in MVC - to use or not to use"? If it is so, then this question is somewhere on the line between opinion-based and too broad. <strike>Un</strike>fortunately Stack Overflow's scope doesn't include such questions. You may get some useful response at programmers.stackexchange.com, but it will require some initial reworking of the question to make it on-topic there. — Eugene Podskal 25 secs ago

Robert Harvey

5:26 PM

@Ampt Should be called Dodgecoin.

Or dodgycoin.

Got three comments from two different people about my "or whatever the hell Microsoft is calling it nowadays" remark in this answer, to the effect of "and you call yourself a moderator."

Duga

5:55 PM

I think your question should be posted here: programmers.stackexchange.com. — Zulu 1 min ago

Telastyn

wait, someone on the internet got butthurt? unpossible.

Robert Harvey

6:16 PM

Seriously, what's your problem? You keep removing comments, that contain valuable links to information you failed to incorporate into your answer. Can't you like, you know, grow up, and grow a pair? — IInspectable 9 mins ago

durron597

@RobertHarvey can you vtc these four questions

Ixrec

6:28 PM

@RobertHarvey what were the deleted comments?

Robert Harvey

I'd expect a moderator to be more matter-of-fact. Phrases like "whatever the hell they're calling it" are hardly helpful in making a point. –  IInspectable May 4 at 20:36
deleted by Robert Harvey♦ May 4 at 20:59   undelete

Don't just go around deleting this comment again. Instead, update your answer and remove the needless verbosity ("whatever the hell [...]"). You're a moderator. I'd be glad to not have to lose faith. –  IInspectable 5 hours ago
deleted by Robert Harvey♦ 3 hours ago   undelete

Ixrec

yeah, not seeing any "valuable links" in these comments which aren't in the answer

perhaps you could've gotten a different mod to do the initial deletions though

Robert Harvey

Yeah but, y'know, comments.

I don't like bothering other mods with something so trivial.

Ixrec

wait, did you delete that first comment before or after removing the "hell" from your answer?

Robert Harvey

Before. I didn't feel the need to respond to his request the first time. He has editing privileges; he could have simply made an edit without wasting everyone's time.

Ixrec

6:38 PM

good point

Robert Harvey

6:49 PM

I like the questions that @overexchange asks. Though I think he sometimes overthinks things, he does make me think more deeply about them.

user15026

I just got a job offer for the tech support position I interviewed for last week

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Ixrec

@AshleyNunn congratulations!

Robert Harvey

@AshleyNunn Gainfully employed!

user15026

Yeah, so now I just have to figure out a few things, like the fact that I also convocate in 16 days, so I kinda need to show up for that

user15026

and a few other things I scheduled never expecting to get a job thing

user15026

6:57 PM

(grad photos next Monday being the only real thing I need to show up at for sure)

Robert Harvey

[looks up "convogate"]

user15026

@RobertHarvey university graduation

Robert Harvey

Convocate?

user15026

The walking the stage and getting the diploma part

Robert Harvey

You've just described perfectly the problem that I have with the way that some people use IoC containers: as a single monolithic dispatcher that drives the entire application. I agree with @Ixrec that the proper term is "over-engineering." See also Architecture Astronaut. — Robert Harvey 7 mins ago

Ixrec

7:02 PM

getting a job lined up immediately after graduation sounds pretty awesome actually; it took me a few months of freeloading at my parents' before I got an offer

user15026

@Ixrec Oh, gosh, this isn't really immediately after grad - I've not been in classes for a year, and I've been unemployed from full time work since my brain surgery 2 months-ish ago

Ixrec

@AshleyNunn the graduation ceremony is a year after classes end?

user15026

@Ixrec It wasn't supposed to be, but there was some delay of getting my marks in on time because I took the final courses from a different university and they weren't very prompt at sending them back

André

> Architecture Astronaut

that's a new term

Ixrec

oh well

@André not really, I've heard it a million times

user15026

7:06 PM

I figure I am still getting to graduate, so it's not the end of the world.

user20683

@André if it's new for you, consider yourself blessed

Ixrec

it is a very useful term though

André

I'm blessed

Ixrec

come to think of it, was that one of the terms Joel coined?

joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000018.html

> These are the people I call Architecture Astronauts. It's very hard to get them to write code or design programs, because they won't stop thinking about Architecture. They're astronauts because they are above the oxygen level, I don't know how they're breathing. They tend to work for really big companies that can afford to have lots of unproductive people with really advanced degrees that don't contribute to the bottom line.
> Saturday, April 21, 2001

Robert Harvey

Yep, that's his term.

Didn't you already ask this question on Stack Overflow? You didn't address my concerns about your question when you asked it here; it still doesn't contain enough information to be answerable. — Robert Harvey 2 mins ago

durron597

7:28 PM

cv-plz programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/65644/…

Congrats @AshleyNunn !!

STCI Status: career-development 93/job-title 13/job-definition 23/new-job 25/interview 236/jobs 8/work-environment 105/experience 38

Thanks @amon

user15026

@durron597 Thanks! Hoping they'll be understanding about the convocation stuff and all that

user55340

8:11 PM

@AshleyNunn Is this the scary cow place?

Duga

@Zulu this question is a very poor fit for Programmers - it would be quickly voted down and closed over there, see meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/6483/… Recommended reading: What goes on Programmers.SE? A guide for Stack Overflow — gnat 30 secs ago

user15026

8:57 PM

@MichaelT Yes, that's the one

user15026

I replied to the offer letter outlining the days I had stuff I can't change, now I am just waiting for a reply hopefully with a start date attached :D

Robert Harvey

10:50 PM

Scary cows FTW.

user15026

11:14 PM

@RobertHarvey Seems they came in handy for me, for sure :)

Telastyn

11:33 PM

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Q: Is there a reason to believe that programming languages are going to converge?

On Earth today, even though most people speak some English, there is seemingly no reason to believe that future generation's main language will be the same in decades/centuries to come (i.e., we'll keep having different native languages and learn a common language later on in life). Similarly, ...

user15026

@Telastyn Sometimes World Building hurts my brain, because people come up with the most fascinatingly intricate ideas

Telastyn

intricate doesn't make for particularly good questions there I think

user15026

I am not sure that's entirely the word I want, either, but I can't think of a better one.

Telastyn

more often than not, they have a bunch of different criteria which leads to "not possible without magic"

user15026

Yeah, that seems to be a common theme

Telastyn

11:37 PM

which then becomes "how can I make this sort of magic seem plausible/sciency?"

I don't go there very often anymore.

ahhh, poo.

I have equivalent but unequal objects

I hate tracking these bugs down.

oh good, not equivalent. Easier to track down

Duga

11:56 PM

Can't believe how much negativity I receive for this question. I was thinking that this site is for "older programmers helping the newer ones". But no, this is just all about getting the points. You wouldn't even help if there where no points nor badges right? If I was the better programmer I won't hesitate to help people having this problem. But at least ONE GUY DID AND HE GOT A DOWN VOTE. REALLY? When was helping negative. But thanks for all your negativity and sarcasm today. Keep that up. — Jhenson Medrano 31 secs ago

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