The Whiteboard

12:15 AM

stupid floats.

oh good. stupid simulator. floats were correct... somehow.

user55340

12:39 AM

I wouldn't immediately say the third example is necessarily off-topic, as I've noticed a lot of high-rep users erroneously state that all licensing questions are off topic, and other users will write IANAL even on questions such as the first example, to add to the confusion. — whatsisname 6 hours ago

user55340

@whatsisname there are different levels of tolerance with the licensing questions as they get further and further from "every programmer should know this"

HotelCalifornia

1:02 AM

I saw someone say something about divs vs tables... the answer is flexbox
http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-flexbox/

user55340

The humble bundle has Torchlight 2 in it if you're into that sort of game... humblebundle.com

user55340

@HotelCalifornia and elastic tabs to finally solve the spaces or tab debate: nickgravgaard.com/elastic-tabstops

HotelCalifornia

wow.. that's... beautiful

I wonder if it would be feasible to make an ST plugin for that...

aha, nvm github.com/SublimeText/ElasticTabstops

user55340

The only problem with it, unless everyone on the team is using it, its a mess.

user55340

The flex box is also quite nice.

HotelCalifornia

1:11 AM

yeah, flexbox is pretty great
for the sublime plugin, at least, it inserts spaces in front of the tabs (lol) so that it actually shows up correctly in other text editors (and possibly makes the whole thing redundant, but w/e :X)

Duga

I think this question would be better suited to programmers.stackexchange.com. Here is a post from there: programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/61376/…. I hope it helps. — Joel Gregory 57 secs ago

user55340

Hmm... open weather map is nice, but low granularity per day. ( api.openweathermap.org/data/2.5/weather?q=London&mode=xml )

user55340

Ohh... Dark sky has an API! Sweet. forecast.io

Duga

1:30 AM

@JoelGregory asking for just 'explanations of aggregation' would likely be closed as too broad. For this to be a good question on Programmers.SE, it would help for the OP to describe his or her understanding of aggregation and give an example of what they think aggregation is which can then be corrected. See Why is research important?. Also, please give What goes on Programmers.SE? A guide for Stack Overflow - just suggesting people repost on P.SE without fixes can be bad. — MichaelT 1 min ago

user55340

@durron597 I'm still disappointed that @RobertHarvey hasn't done his own April fools joke... set up a "change room topic" bot and point it to the Lounge such that it changes the <C++> text to <Visual Basic>, <Haskell>, and <MUMPS> ever 5-10 minutes.

2

Telastyn

1:46 AM

already got Torchlight 2. Wifey loves action RPGs.

HotelCalifornia

is 'wifey' standard programmer slang? I hear is a lot, lol

Telastyn

maybe?

I tend to avoid the term myself, as I tend to avoid personal topics.

nothing good can come from that on the internet.

HotelCalifornia

2:03 AM

that's fair. it's just all of the programmers I hung out with on IRC said it

or at least, all of the ones I remember

yeet puu.sh/gYpKb/de17cbe4ec.png

user55340

2:31 AM

So look at this data that forecast.io gives you (this is for alcatraz, CA - their example data destination: gist.github.com/shagie/a6ce5bb8d56e4b9496ad )

Robert Harvey

2:43 AM

My go-to term is "the wife." Someone from my ex-workplace used to say "the female."

user15026

@michaelT that is a loooot of weather info!

user55340

I've just got 'the cat'

HotelCalifornia

heh

Robert Harvey

What does one do in a "hookah lounge?"

Surely they don't have wacky tobacky there?

HotelCalifornia

other than smoke water pipes?

usually tobacco, i think

Robert Harvey

2:49 AM

Wouldn't it be easier to just roll an ordinary cigarette, pulp-fiction style?

Not sure I get the draw.

HotelCalifornia

easier, maybe, but there's more smoke involved that way

the idea is that water vapour is less harmful than smoke

Robert Harvey

Someone now vapes in the cubicle next to my wife.

So now she has a brand new work issue to grouse about.

I looked it up, but there's not much legal precedent. And the vapers (?) seem to see it as a healthier thing than cigs.

HotelCalifornia

yeah, it's the hot new thing

e-cigs and all that too

how long does it take for SE to update a profile pic from gravatar?

Robert Harvey

Awhile.

user55340

@HotelCalifornia which part?

HotelCalifornia

2:55 AM

which part of what?

user55340

Which part of SE.

HotelCalifornia

oh.. any of them? dunno

user55340

There's the network profile, chat, SE main site.

HotelCalifornia

oh well. it'll be like a surprise when it actually happens \o/

Robert Harvey

@HotelCalifornia Sure, if you don't mind inhaling antifreeze (essentially).

HotelCalifornia

2:57 AM

i mean, i really don't like that stuff :X

>also my pic updated, lol

user55340

> E-liquid, e-juice or simply "juice", refers to a liquid solution that when heated by an atomizer produces vapor. The main ingredients of e-liquids are usually a mix of propylene glycol (PG), glycerin (G), and/or polyethylene glycol 400 (PEG400), sometimes with differing levels of alcohol mixed with concentrated or extracted flavorings; and optionally, a variable concentration of tobacco-derived nicotine.

HotelCalifornia

we did a unit in chem last year that was basically about why you shouldn't drink antifreeze

it calcifies your muscles

among other things

Robert Harvey

> Forty-five percent of propylene glycol produced is used as chemical feedstock for the production of unsaturated polyester resins. In this regard, propylene glycol reacts with a mixture of unsaturated maleic anhydride and isophthalic acid to give a copolymer. This partially unsaturated polymer undergoes further crosslinking to yield thermoset plastics

HotelCalifornia

so, you're inhaling a plastic-creating agent

sounds good

whatsisname

3:17 AM

In Minneapolis e-cigs are considered cigarettes legally

so someone using one in their cube is going to get them in trouble

HotelCalifornia

3:32 AM

I was just looking through some of my old questions, and found this one: stackoverflow.com/questions/23965626/…

why was that allowed to be closed for that reason?.-.

Duga

6:20 AM

@VonC: nice link. It hadn't crossed my mind that version control exists since 60s / 70s programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/184695/… and text since year -3200. What if they want to migrate hammurabi's code to Git? :-) — Ciro Santilli 六四事件法轮功 27 secs ago

Duga

7:06 AM

This is too broad for Stack Overflow. It may be OK on programmers.stackexchange.com (but check their what topics can I ask about — greg-449 1 min ago

Duga

7:22 AM

programmers.stackexchange.com <--- Where your question belongs. — Shashank 45 secs ago

Duga

8:46 AM

@vaxquis Thanks I didn't know it would have been more suited for programmers, next time I'll think about it. It's not a problem that it has been closed as long as I have satisfactory answers. The funny things is that the downvote button highlights "This question does not show any research effort; it is unclear and not useful" I don't think it applies to mine anyway (though I could understand the close vote). — user2336315 1 min ago

Duga

9:38 AM

This is probably a better fit for programmers.stackexchange.com — reto 1 min ago

deostroll

10:40 AM

Got a unique id (UID) value that goes something like this ...

0400074A8200E00A74C5B7101A82E00800000000A001C1678C59D001000000002

its 65 chars in length...

is it a standard?

ratchet freak

it looks like hex

deostroll

I mean any particular program that does this - create in 65 characters...?

ratchet freak

it's 260 bits while a GUID should be 128

deostroll

12:46 PM

@ratchetfreak how do you conclude that?

ratchet freak

65 hex digits = 65*4 bits = 260 bits

Telastyn

ugh, stupid javascript.

does it not make new local variable instances for its closures?

deostroll

1:12 PM

@Telastyn redeclare it... jsfiddle.net/q5ewfazh

but not a good practice...

durron597

@MichaelT Have you ever looked at the ingredients in Dr. Pepper

Ugh. Why does my faq post have 2 close votes as duplicate. People voting without understanding...

Telastyn

@deostroll - that's not what I mean. I have a loop that I need to capture the loop var in an anonymous function.

fine, closure sees the loop var change

but even declaring a new local in the loop and assigning it the loop var doesn't work

since the inner-loop var is the "same" variable.

I needed to declare an anonymous function that took a param and returned a new anonymous function - and then passed in the loop var to the anonymous anonymous function factory </puke>

Jimmy Hoffa

1:33 PM

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because this is none of the listed companies, the question asked should be directed to them. This site is for conceptual programming questions, not details of specific software businesses. — Jimmy Hoffa 25 secs ago

durron597

@GlenH7 it doesn't happen often, but it's odd that someone would tag a 4 year old question as a duplicate of a two day old question

if anything, the duplication is in reverse

Jimmy Hoffa

that is one of the types of questions I hate the most. "Does so and so do/think X?" - We aren't so and so...why would you ask us?? Ask them...

user41796

@durron597 I'm willing to bet @gnat made a mistake on that one.

Telastyn

I'm amused that those are the "big 4"

also, I could see at least one or two not having formal QA departments.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Telastyn yeah I found that pretty funny... where do people even get these ideas? "The big 4" ??

user41796

1:35 PM

@JimmyHoffa I personally wouldn't be upset to see that voted down past -4 in a very quick manner

user41796

Nevermind, self-deleted

Jimmy Hoffa

well that's good

user55340

Big 4... And Apple could buy them all with spare funds.

Jimmy Hoffa

Google too?

I think of Apple, MS, and Google as the richest (MS just because they're so conservative, their warchest is stupid big for how poorly their wares are received)

user55340

If I recall correctly, apple profits last year > Google value.

durron597

1:38 PM

@MichaelT Apple's one year profits were bigger than the entire valuation of google as a company?

user55340

theregister.co.uk/2014/04/14/…

user55340

I suspect that I might have exaggerated.

Jimmy Hoffa

> These numbers may not be surprising, considering that as of Monday morning Apple still held the title of the world's most valuable public company in terms of market capitalization at $463.78bn, according to MarketWatch, still ahead of ExxonMobil at $417.95bn, and with Google coming on strong at $359.54bn.

user55340

But Apple does have boatloads of profit and stockpile.

Jimmy Hoffa

still, they made 180bn and Google's valuation is 359bn

durron597

1:41 PM

I think it's a joke that AT&T isn't in the Dow anymore. There are other much smaller companies that are still in it.

user41796

Thoughts? I think this one is too broad.

user41796

1

Q: Activity diagram in Eclipse GMF

I need an advice regarding Software Process configuration using UML activity diagram. I have a Software Process metamodel created in .ecore file. I created genmodel and generated code. Concrete model of software process is in an owl/xml knowledge base. Also I have for example activity diagram ...

Jimmy Hoffa

MS is funny, they don't even show in the list there for having such significant revenues, because they frankly don't, yet they still have 93bn in reported cash on hand out of country as of the beginning of last year- couldn't find better numbers than that but surely they have billions on shore too, and more now than last Jan.

MS is a total hoarder

Telastyn

Apple was worse last I heard.

user55340

money.cnn.com/2015/01/28/investing/apple-cash-178-billion

Jimmy Hoffa

1:46 PM

@Telastyn probably, they make a hell of a lot more

user55340

They also have 178B on hand cash.

Telastyn

@JimmyHoffa - even pre-iPad days they were renowned for having more than usual cash on hand.

Jimmy Hoffa

Google only has 59bn on hand

user55340

Getting 200B loans Apple could buy goohle outright.

user55340

And then repay 25% of that from Google cash the 'next' day.

Jimmy Hoffa

1:48 PM

@MichaelT If apple had any interest they could buy google, but that's the kind of megalopoly that falls over under it's own weight, I can't imagine Apple having any interest other than to shut down Android, but that would be begging for legal fights

user55340

They don't. It's just more a "how can you say big 4" without including Apple?

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT yeah, and to include twitter is absolutely hilarious

user55340

Netflix is a drop in the bucket.

Telastyn

except for internet traffic

Jimmy Hoffa

Yeah but at least they're a hell of a lot more profitable than Twitter (is twitter even profittable yet?)

> It also hit its marks on profit — $7 million

hahaha

7 million in profit - "big 4" shit my company is tiny and makes way more than that in profits

durron597

1:56 PM

@MichaelT bloomberg.com/bw/magazine/…

Ampt

2:11 PM

Desire to do anything today: 0

durron597

So a Google recruiter emailed me yesterday

unlike the frequent amazon recruiter emails I get (which I'm sure are just form letter semi-spam) I actually interviewed with Google so it seems a lot more like actual interest

Thomas Owens

@durron597 The Google interviews, from my two experiences, are too computer sciency for me to pass.

And I thought I was interviewing for a product owner position.

I get past the phone screen and get along with the people. But I can't solve the mathy and computer sciency problems they ask.

durron597

@ThomasOwens I solved them all in my last interview, except the last one which I really would have liked to have a debugger instead of white board

The problem was that my language syntax was very rusty two years ago

I had to ask "how do you get the current system time in Java again? Oh yeah System.currentTimeMillis();" etc.

Thomas Owens

I expected more requirements and system architecture questions for a product owner role. I got all these highly detailed data structure and algorithm questions.

Jimmy Hoffa

2:27 PM

@ThomasOwens this is why I've avoided ever looking at Google (not that they've ever contacted me). I just don't frankly know data structures or algorithms intimately, and am too lazy to go memorize all that shit just for an interview to promptly forget afterwards...

Thomas Owens

Same thing at Microsoft. Before I graduated, I interviewed with them. But they gave the interviewer the wrong form and marked me down for SDET instead of PM. It's just so hard to get into product owner or process roles, it seems like.

And when you don't do it for a while, you get rusty.

durron597

@JimmyHoffa They weren't memorization questions.

It was more like "how would you solve this problem?"

"well, I'd need a data structure that works like XYZ"

Thomas Owens

And then they started getting into big-o stuff and the details. I really prefer to work like 3 levels above that.

Jimmy Hoffa

@durron597 this doesn't sound like any of the descriptions of google interviews I've ever heard of before...

ratchet freak

@ThomasOwens meh just knowing what data structure is good enough is often sufficient

Thomas Owens

2:31 PM

@ratchetfreak It wasn't when I interviewed with Google.

ratchet freak

@ThomasOwens well it is in real developement

Duga

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it isn't a specific, technical question about programming. programmers.stackexchange.com is a much better place for this question. — tmyklebu 46 secs ago

Thomas Owens

They wanted implementations written out on the whiteboards and stuff.

Jimmy Hoffa

I recall reading of a Google interview question someone was given to the tune of "At a random point on a road with a beginning and no end, how would you find the beginning, and what is the runtime of that algorithm?"

Thomas Owens

@JimmyHoffa See, I don't even know what that means.

ratchet freak

2:34 PM

@JimmyHoffa move -1^n * 2*n each time until you hit the beginning incrementing n each step

durron597

@ratchetfreak This

Jimmy Hoffa

@ratchetfreak you don't know which way the beginning is

Thomas Owens

@ratchetfreak Can you explain that?

durron597

one step to the left, two to the right, four to the left, to the right

ratchet freak

you move forward 2 steps then move backward 4

ending up -2 from your start

durron597

2:35 PM

@ThomasOwens Yeah, I had to implement my designs

ratchet freak

then 6 steps forward ending up at +4

etc.

durron597

I think they've stopped asking brain teaser puzzles like that

Thomas Owens

I actually wonder if they interviewed me for the wrong position like Microsoft did...

durron597

On the other hand, my interview was in February 2012, so who knows

ratchet freak

like the move the flour, chicken and fox across

Jimmy Hoffa

2:37 PM

I believe that's the naive answer, I recall it being something like moving in each direction a multiplicatively large amount so your endings are like +2, -4, +8, -16, +32 or some such

which gave a better runtime, I don't recall the details, I just know it was something I had no frame of reference for

durron597

Honestly, I would probably say something like "all roads have ends, so in this hypothetical universe I'm going to assume I can fly, so I'll just fly up until I see the beginning. O(n) runtime"

"Is there a tree I can climb at least?"

ratchet freak

@JimmyHoffa when figuring out the runtime I would have (likely) made the connection of doubling the distance to start

Jimmy Hoffa

@ratchetfreak is this a known algorithm for something? I've never heard of such...

ratchet freak

(-1)^n is the standard sign changer

Jimmy Hoffa

The only thing I can picture is a doubly linked list where you need to find the head, but you'd have to be in a jacked up scenario for such..

perhaps identifying the source of a cycle?

ratchet freak

2:45 PM

then you would still be able to search in 1 direction

Jimmy Hoffa

@ratchetfreak yeah... I don't see a practical use for that algorithm, do you? There probably is one... I think only C++ folks actually know all the data structures/algorithms out there, as they still actually deal with implementing them

ratchet freak

Go ask on the lounge?

finding the start of a infinite stream where you only have advance in 2 directions would often be advancing to the negative direction until you can't advance anymore

Thomas Owens

3:06 PM

I'm seeing two common designs for marshaling and unmarshaling. Should it be Marshaller and Unmarshaller interfaces that have a class for each type with methods for each input/output type or a class for each input/output format with different methods for the data being converted?

Or maybe there's a third method that I'm not seeing much of. I'm not personally a fan of either of those approaches, though.

I think the difference is in what happens more frequently: adding formats or adding types of things to reformat.

durron597

Hey @ThomasOwens what has to happen for my question to move from being faq-proposed to faq?

Thomas Owens

@durron597 Community consensus. It should have 5-7 days for people to see it, I think.

It looks generally promising, though.

durron597

@ThomasOwens Ok. I noticed that there are a lot of other faq-proposed that probably should get promoted to faq. Most of them were written by @MichaelT

ratchet freak

or move them to faq-denied

rwong

3:22 PM

C++ question - is there a way to get switch-case statements on tuples of strongly-typed enums ? such as switch (std::tie(a, b)) { case (A::cat, B::meow): break; default: break; }

ratchet freak

I don't think there is any language that supports that

Telastyn

you might be able to do some black magic with unions

but I suggest just plowing ahead with some clean imperative if X then stuff

durron597

I would definitely have the contents of the case statements be their own methods in such a situation

That way if there's complicated overlapping of behavior you can just call the appropriate method, minimizing code duplication

user55340

5

Q: Sidebar is FAQ'ed, lets update the FAQ tags

Yes! The sidebar has been FAQed! Our faq has 18 questions in it while faq-proposed has 40 more. What questions should move there for easier access for people unfamiliar with the workings of meta? I'd also mention that the faq has some rather dated material in it that could get a good looking ...

discussion tags

user55340

@durron597 my secret goal is to gold badge faq and then close them all as dupes of each other.

user55340

3:32 PM

Um... Drat. Can't delete my secret plan message in mobile.

Duga

As a quick note, this may be a better question over at Programmers (another Stack Exchange site). — ChrisForrence 1 min ago

durron597

@MichaelT I upvoted that question in December

user55340

3:44 PM

@rwong that looks lispish pattern matching. Thus, I invoke Greenspun's law.

durron597

@MichaelT Did any of the things you recommended there ever happen?

If so, perhaps you should update the post accordingly

user55340

Greenspun's tenth rule

Greenspun's tenth rule of programming is an aphorism in computer programming and especially programming language circles that states: Any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad hoc, informally-specified, bug-ridden, slow implementation of half of Common Lisp. This expresses the opinion that the perceived flexibility and extensibility designed into the Lisp programming language includes all functionality that is theoretically necessary to write a complex computer program, and that the core implementations of other programming languages often do not supply critical functionality...

user55340

@durron597 very few. I think one has been faq'ed and another defaqed.

durron597

@MichaelT Can we hold a mod election and get you your diamond already?

rwong

4:24 PM

@MichaelT : it appears to me that Lisp is coincidentally one of the few functional programming language where "pattern matching" isn't built into the language, but instead has to be implemented either by a library or by the user.

user55340

4:42 PM

Ok... Then. I invoke the scala and clojure addendum to Greenspun's 10th.

Duga

You didn't actually ask a programming question. You just told us what you wanted. This is not a wish fulfillment site, it's a Question and Answer site. You would have done better to show us some code you wrote to solve the problem, then ask us a specific question about that code. Programmers is a bit better for asking these more general, "architectural/design" questions. — John Saunders 1 min ago

durron597

@Duga Should that question be migrated to Progs? Seems maybe too broad. @RobertHarvey what do you think?

user114359

There are enough questions about Singleton on this site, all of them answered with "do not"

Robert Harvey

5:13 PM

@durron597 Looks OK to me. The answer he posted actually has an answer in it; I removed the commentary.

durron597

@RobertHarvey Oh, you're right, lol. I guess you should decline my "not an answer" flag

user41796

Relatively certain that site noise level doesn't warrant another diamond at this point. I think it would take one of the existing mods stepping down for that to occur.
It's likely a sign of the site's strong community moderation as well. Also note that 2 of our 5 mods are mods for other sites which implies things are pretty well under control here.

durron597

@GlenH7 I was mostly joking.

Robert Harvey

@durron597 It's not showing up in the mod popup for the question, and there's tons of flags in the mod queue, so it's going to be difficult to find there. Time to file a bug report, I think.

user41796

@durron597 Oh, it's a long-running theme that MichaelT and I would duke it out over any open mod slot for Programmers.

user114359

5:17 PM

I learned long ago that one job I never want again is babysitting the internet. AKA being a mod on any site.

user41796

@RobertHarvey I noticed a really slow "NAA" flag that didn't show up today as well over on Engineering. I can easily find the reference if you open a bug report

durron597

@GlenH7 I guess Chris is still pretty active doing mod stuff even if not so active with questions and answers

user114359

I actually like the self-policing nature of SE. I can help out without being a full-time babysitter.

user41796

@Snowman I worry more about how to encourage site growth. The janitor stuff hasn't been too bad so far.

Robert Harvey

Found it. It was on the last page of NAA flags. Makes sense, I guess.

@GlenH7 NAA flags don't hit the mod queue for an hour. Gives the community time to dispatch them through the review queues.

durron597

5:19 PM

@RobertHarvey I would think more recent ones would show up first, not last

Which review queue does NAA go into? A 20k only queue?

user41796

@RobertHarvey Working as designed then. As I killed the answer off before an hour had passed from its posting time.

user114359

@GlenH7 those two goals are diametrically opposed. Moderating typically involves dealing with poor-quality questions from new users, who get frustrated and leave.

user41796

@durron597 flag volume on SO warrants a FIFO queue

Robert Harvey

Anyone here familiar with ODBC?

user41796

@Snowman But weeding out the low-quality stuff will hopefully make the site more attractive to experts to stick around

psr

5:21 PM

@RobertHarvey more than I'd like.

user114359

@RobertHarvey configuring it, or programming with it?

Robert Harvey

Should the OdbcCommand object be re-created each time, or just change the Command SQL and execute again?

user114359

@GlenH7 we need both: fresh blood to grow the community, and experts to help the new guys.

enderland

@RobertHarvey are you on Microsoft?

Robert Harvey

Yes, but one of the Odbc connections is to a Progress database on a Linux server.

enderland

5:23 PM

I've always recreated the commands, Microsoft keeps track of the connections at an OS level I think so you don't have to worry about overhead with reconnecting to the database

Robert Harvey

OK.

durron597

@RobertHarvey Did you get a job?

Robert Harvey

A temporary one (3 days).

durron597

@RobertHarvey Better than nothing. Grats!

enderland

3 days?

Robert Harvey

5:25 PM

A consulting thing.

Little Bobby Tables all over the place.

There's a random timeout problem on the Progress ODBC that I haven't figured out yet.

user114359

xkcd.com/327

Robert Harvey

But since I've reduced the execution time for that batch from 2 hours to 10 minutes, they might be willing to overlook the timeout and just run it again. Seems to be less of a problem early or late in the day, when there is no traffic on their network.

@Snowman Yes, that Little Bobby Tables.

enderland

you should put a link to that as a comment every time they do it

user114359

I know my xkcd

durron597

5:40 PM

Have you all seen xkcloud yet?

user114359

I saw it but did not mess with it.

user114359

Is it poor sportsmanship to use built-in standard library classes to trivialize Project Euler problems? Looking at problem 19 for example, I could use standard date functions even though the problem is clearly looking for an algorithm.

user114359

projecteuler.net/problem=19

Duga

Java or C#? Pick one. Also, this probably belongs elsewhere, like on Programmers.SE. — Lightning Racis in Obrit 1 min ago

Telastyn

6:08 PM

depends on your level of skill prolly.

student should probably do algorithm

Steven Burnap

Depends on why you are doing Project Euler. I used it to improve my python, so using standard libraries was the whole point

user55340

6:50 PM

12

Q: Does anyone else feel Scrum isn't agile?

I am a big fan of agile development and used XP on a very successful project a few years ago. I loved everything about it, the iterative development approach, writing code around a test, pair programming, having a customer on site to run things by. It was a highly productive work environment and ...

agile scrum

user55340

My expired close vote (jan '14) is still expired and I can't recast. Please do things to it.

enderland

@MichaelT do things like answer??

user55340

Close it so I can cast delete votes on it.

user114359

I do not feel it is necessarily off-topic, as software engineering processes are explicitly on-topic here. However, as it is written it could be either too broad or primarily opinion-based.

user114359

Given the age of the question I am inclined to VTC, which I did.

user55340

6:56 PM

It is written and answered as a poll. It got a rant answer.

user41796

My vote expired on that one too

user55340

> your question is just a rant in disguise: “______ sucks, am I right?”

enderland

it also has a self accepted answer from considerably later whcih is interesting

user114359

Right, I guess I was implying it makes little sense to edit and improve a question/answer that is that old and has already received quite a bit of attention. Best to close it and bury it at this point.

user55340

I'll give that it is well written. And would be a good blog post... Not a question though.

user114359

7:01 PM

I am already getting worked up about the topic. Scrum appears to be a really good idea on the surface, but in the end it undoes everything Agile tries to do by heavily involving people that have no stake in the software and exist solely to introduce overhead.

user114359

That only helps prove your point... not a good question.

whatsisname

Someone needs to write a true Scottish Software Development System

Steven Burnap

I think it is a lot more fair to say that "agile is often perverted by large organizations with huge project management organizations" then "$X isn't really agile"

user114359

I think both are true. Scrum is sort-of Agile, but not truly Agile. Certain organizations also subvert Agile to be non-Agile.

user114359

@whatsisname there is no true Scottish Software Development System

whatsisname

7:11 PM

Agile is a true scotsman

user114359

There is no true scotsman!

Telastyn

Sean Connery would like a word.

user41796

< prepares click, click, kick /> :-D

durron597

@Snowman Like @JimmyHoffa 's company?

whatsisname

whenever something goes wrong in an agile project

durron597

7:15 PM

Feb 20 at 17:09, by Jimmy Hoffa

We're doing "Scrum" with: No product owner, no backlog, no standups, no team collaboration, no scrumboard. But it's SCRUM! Haha the way people stretch definitions just to lie to themselves is hilarious

whatsisname

"You just weren't agile enough"

durron597

@whatsisname "No wonder Cirque de Soleil didn't hire you"

Kill this until it is dead please

Steven Burnap

We do scrum. In a couple weeks we're going to plan the next six sprints. See, scrum</sarcasm>

But we do have decent standups

durron597

@StevenBurnap Eddie Murphy?

whatsisname

target has been destroyed

Telastyn

7:20 PM

WalMart celebrates.

enderland

@whatsisname ???

whatsisname

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Q: On what bases shall I present the top bought items in my website?

I have an online store and I want to show the top selling items. However, I think that relying on the number of sales of each item to rank them will be inaccurate. What I mean is that these top selling items will always increase in ranking as they are often shown to the user. It will become harde...

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Steven Burnap

"Scaled Agile Framework". Doing "Agile", only you know what you will be doing long in advance.

whatsisname

7:36 PM

so, you know how sometimes you call some company and are put on hold until an operator is available

and it plays music

but sometimes pauses the music to tell you "offers" or other stuff, instead of continuously playing music

everyone that has been responsible for that kind of thing, at all companies, should be put to death

user41796

@whatsisname So you ... like the feature, I take it?

user41796

Great opportunity for cross-selling and up-selling, right?

enderland

@whatsisname slowly. and painfully

@StevenBurnap well it kinda depends on the level of detail you know in advance ;)

Thomas Owens

Is there a good approach to defining a method where the parameter type gets more specific as you go down the hierarchy? For example, an interface where the method takes a Message, but an abstract class where the method takes an EventMessage (which inherits from Message), and finally a concrete class that takes a StatusEventMessage (which inherits from EventMessage)?

user114359

7:57 PM

That violates the Liskov substitution principle.

Duga

@ryyker this question is a very poor fit for Programmers - it would be quickly voted down and closed over there, see Why do interview questions make poor Programmers.SE questions? Recommended reading: What goes on Programmers.SE? A guide for Stack Overflow — gnat 13 secs ago

Thomas Owens

@Snowman Yeah, it does.

I'm realizing that it's all sorts of terrible ideas, too.

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