The Whiteboard

12:18 AM

I'm also sure that the limited number of users doesn't make the effort spent working on keeping it working worth anything

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt applets, thankyou very much

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa ARGH! Foiled again!

now no one will appreciate my witty joke!

curse you Jimmy Hoffa!!!1!!1!

Robert Harvey

1:04 AM

So I'm doing a Google Search for "Enterprise development in C#, thinking I'll find similar patterns of the kind used in Java enterprise development. I'm finding two things: articles from 2002, and the Enterprise Library from microsoft, which was last updated 2 years ago.

Vaughan Hilts

1:34 AM

I'm thinking of developing a CSS Sheet generator custom themes for a widget I made.. but the dillema is keeping the template and my "base" template up to date? Does anyone have a pre-canned solution to these kinds of problems?

user55340

@VaughanHilts Need to know a bit more about it. What is in the base, what is in the theme?

Vaughan Hilts

@MichaelT It's just a basic CSS sheet where I'm building a generator to change a few properties. The "base" is just my "defaults" that I develop with. I was thinking I could maintain generated themes as JSON, and have a "development" one

Think those generators online that can spit out code for a banner, button or something like that

user55340

It would be interesting to see if one can 'overlay' JSON on top of another JSON object... or merge them.

user55340

CSS isn't a deep structure, it shouldn't be too hard. Its more the inheritance that you deal with, but I'll also point out that that may be how you want to do it.

user55340

A key part of CSS is the C - Cascade.

Vaughan Hilts

1:51 AM

Hm, you make an interesting point.

One could simply include a 'base stylesheet' and then include the 'custom sheet' which overrides the properties.. why didn't I think of that?

user55340

@VaughanHilts Simply said, because people don't always do that. There is too much infrastructure around the "one giant style sheet" in most places.

Vaughan Hilts

You're right, everyone I've worked it's one "master CSS file" so it almost feels like that's the only way.

user55340

> **Cascading**
This is the capability provided by some style sheet languages such as CSS to allow style information from several sources to be blended together. These could be, for instance, corporate style guidelines, styles common to a group of documents, and styles specific to a single document. By storing these separately, style sheets can be reused, simplifying authoring and making more effective use of network caching. The cascade defines an ordered sequence of style sheets where rules in later sheets have greater precedence than earlier ones. Not all style sheet languages support ca…

user55340

If you want to have some fun, alternate sheets can be useful

Vaughan Hilts

Ah yes, this reminds of the CSS Zen Garden now

Which really displays this well

user55340

1:55 AM

w3.org/Style/Examples/007/alternatives.en.html

Vaughan Hilts

Neat, though the idea is you view the widget's look through a few simple properties and then output some CSS

I think just outputting a simple 'theme.custom.css' would suffice

user55340

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A: How do I get alternate style sheets to work on iOS5 Safari?

After searching SO and the web, I was not happy with any of the solutions. So I came up with a new solution which is working in chrome, ff, ie and safari and safari on an old ipad: First set styles: <link rel="stylesheet" href="./codebase/touchui.css" data-title="default" ...

user55340

Back... long ago (can't find this as standard functionality anymore) - styles were a menu option in browsers. I had a photography site that had two styles to it - dark and light. You went to the menu (browser built in) and selected which style you wanted to use to render the page

Vaughan Hilts

That's quite neat! Sounds like it has been mostly abandoned, though. I can't find any support for it in Chrome

user55340

thesitewizard.com/css/switch-alternate-css-styles.shtml

user55340

1:59 AM

> Internet Explorer 8 and above
View | Style

Firefox
View | Page Style

Opera
View | Style

Konqueror
View | Use StyleSheet

user55340

From the days before chrome.

Vaughan Hilts

Looks like Chrome is just the oddball :)

user55340

> Not all browsers support theme switching from their user interface (ie, menu). In particular, Internet Explorer 7 and below do not support it. And when I last checked Safari in 2008 (the date I wrote this article), it didn't have the ability to switch style sheets from its menu either.

Vaughan Hilts

Seems like it'd be out of the way for typical user, either way

user55340

Yep. Experiments of the early web. However, it did remind you of the cascading part. You had common.css and dark.css and light.css - and both pulled in common.css

Robert Harvey

4:09 AM

How well does this scheme satisfy your software's functional and non-functional requirements for behavior, performance, maintainability, extensibility and so forth? — Robert Harvey 20 secs ago

StackMonkey

4:56 AM

You should have asked that on programmers.stackexchange.com ; it is off-topic here since not related to any of your source code. — Basile Starynkevitch 25 secs ago

StackMonkey

6:53 AM

@BasileStarynkevitch this question is a poor fit for Programmers - it would be quickly voted down and closed over there, see What is the problem with “Pros and Cons”? Recommended reading: What goes on Programmers.SE? A guide for Stack Overflow — gnat 8 secs ago

gnat

7:04 AM

^^^ I was kinda surprised to find that from an active Programmers regular

StackMonkey

10:04 AM

I think this question is better suited for programmers.stackexchange.com — max taldykin 34 secs ago

To the downvoters: Where should I ask this question? On programmers.SE? There are currently only 14 questions tagged "R", here are >88,000. Or should I ask this on stats.SE instead? — knb 12 secs ago

StackMonkey

10:24 AM

This is way too broad a question for both this site and Programmers.SE. I'd suggest you start researching individual terms, e.g. by reading articles on Wikipedia. It is impossible for one answer to give you a sufficient overview over all these topics. However, a narrow and on-topic question about one of these concepts might be acceptable on this site, Stats.SE, or Programmers.SE, depending on what the precise focus of the question is. A question “what is X?” is not sufficiently narrow; a question “I'm trying to do task X. How can big-data-concept Y help me?” is more answerable. — amon 23 secs ago

Asking us to hunt down documentation or to recommend learning resources is off topic for both Stack Overflow and Programmers. It might be better to directly ask the maintainers whether they can recommend any introduction-level learning resource. — amon 32 secs ago

user114359

10:55 AM

Ain't nothing like getting up at 5:00 AM on a Saturday morning to fire up the smoker to make ribs and chicken for dinner, then plowing through the review queues on Programmers.SE!

Ixrec

11:44 AM

what's the usual procedure for tag cleanup? find 2-3 questions with the tag, edit it out, wait ~15 minutes for those edits to fall off the front page, rinse and repeat?

and should we prioritize new questions, old & highly upvoted questions, or questions that turn up in our review queues for whatever reason?

sasho648

1:50 PM

Hello

Ixrec

hi

sasho648

I was wondering for some 'C' like language which have proper array implementation (passing by value, no stupid pointer decaying and etc.) and also support VLA's.

I thought about 'GO' but I don't think it support VLA.

Telastyn

no language I know of passes entire arrays by value.

sasho648

You kidding? Even 'C++' does by library support ('std::array').

Ixrec

I don't think any language does native/raw arrays that way, though C++'s std::vector is of course variable length, doesn't do poiner decay and (as of C++11) can be efficiently passed by value

I need to go read up on exactly how VLAs work, I found it very confusing when I first heard about it

Telastyn

2:08 PM

"efficiently passed by value" - you mean, by reference.

Ixrec

oh, wow, I completely misunderstood them; a VLA's size is not known until runtime but after "construction" it does not change, so it's somewhere between std::array (size must be known at compile time) and std::vector (size not known until runtime and can change after construction)

pre-C++11 it was by reference, but move semantics make pass-by-value okay now

Telastyn

anyways, afk weekend to do

Ixrec

ah nvm I'm getting confused between returning by value and passing by value

@sasho648 Whether Go "supports VLAs" depends on how you define that phrase, it does let you do make([]int, x) where x is not a compile-time constant, and that returns a "slice" of the underlying array that make() allocates; I would say that it does support them but forces you to be explicit that you're asking for a non-stack-allocated array (which seems like a good thing)

sasho648

2:38 PM

What?

I mean how it forces you to be explicit that you're asking for a non-stack-allocated array (which seems like a good thing). What does this means?

Ixrec

3:05 PM

back now; I mean afaik var array [10]int requires a compile-time constant, while make() does not, so there's a clearly different syntax between declaring a stack-allocated array and constructing an array at runtime

StackMonkey

3:23 PM

Most likely this is all possible. You have your steps so try and work on the parts individually. If you get stuck with something specific update your question. This site is for programmers and programming enthusiasts. We are not here just to write code for people. People actually get paid for that. — Matt 12 secs ago

gnat

4:39 PM

> 3. Execute the cleanup. Review the questions in the tag. Vote on the question and answers, make edits to improve them, edit the tag wikis, flag... and otherwise improve that corner of the site. Each cleanup will likely last 1-2 weeks, depending on the size of the tag. Please try to avoid flooding the homepage with edits. If there are a large number of questions that require edits, the window for a particular tag may be longer...

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