The Whiteboard

user55340

12:59 AM

Hmm... the not-xkcd anymore long compile question is once again sitting at 4 close votes.

user55340

(and hasn't been kicked out of the close queue the second time... might get closed yet)

Jimmy Hoffa

1:13 AM

@MichaelT if that's an accident I will eat a crow

(note: I really wouldn't mind eating a crow, I fucking hate them for irrational reasons I don't intend to detail, I would be more than happy to commit crowicide in any form)

It would please me greatly knowing they're smart enough to likely understand the suffering I would be submitting them to.

user55340

Its probably intentional... still amusing and one wonders if the derp institute could have had a better name.

user15026

They probably could have had a "better" name, but not one that got them nearly the attention.

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT a better name? Given their intent - as you agree it was intentional - what name would satisfy them better?

@enderland crowbusters.com/recipes.htm

@enderland I would have strongly advised this behaviour be done with the utmost caution - a howitzer or possibly a minigun would be necessary at a minimum. To commit such an action correctly one should be certain to fence, salt, and burn the area before or afterwards.

psr

@JimmyHoffa Everyone knows crows are evil.

Jimmy Hoffa

(I genuinely hate crows in the most sincere way)

enderland

1:21 AM

@JimmyHoffa lol that site is great

> So in four days of actual shooting I shot 2,193 crows with an average of 548 crows per day! That’s the best I ever had it in all the years of hunting them.

Jimmy Hoffa

@psr I'm not convinced. I've definitely seen a lot of C# that I could execute mentally far quicker than any computer thanks to the skill level of many folks writing .NET

psr

@JimmyHoffa Great backup job if you ever get tired of coding.

Or if there's a power failure you can save the day.

Jimmy Hoffa

@psr I always make paper copies of all my code bases for just this event, engineering is all about preparedness after all

psr

@JimmyHoffa Well, sure, if you can't remember the code then I guess that would work.

Jimmy Hoffa

@psr occasionally I just write down the answer and keep that handy instead.

user15026

2:28 AM

Hey, so, had a thought - let's say my sick day does cause some wonderful my way - is it going to ruin everything if I have to let the phone call go to voicemail because I am at work?

user41796

@AshleyNunn No, it shouldn't. Good folk on that side of the desk understand that other folk can't always answer their phones at any given point in time.

user15026

Yay, that's what I was hoping :)

user41796

@AshleyNunn You have to look at it from their expense point of view. They have already invested XYZ dollars in you so far. It's no longer in their fiscal interest to get huffy if you couldn't answer the phone at their beck and call.

user15026

RIght, that makes sense.

user41796

OTOH, you want to be positively enthusiastic when you call them back.

user41796

2:37 AM

ie. validate their investment.

7Blue_Beast7

@AshleyNunn I'm sorry.

user15026

@GlenH7 If they are calling to say "have a thing" I am going to be the most sunniest and enthused person the world ever saw!

user15026

@7Blue_Beast7 Please do not follow me from room to room. We have discussed everything we needed to discuss around your apologies.

user41796

@7Blue_Beast7 You hunted her down all the way to here to say that? WTF did you do?

user15026

@GlenH7 It's not important.

user41796

2:38 AM

@AshleyNunn Call backs this quickly are generally of that form.

7Blue_Beast7

@GlenH7 I'd stay out of it if I were you :D

user41796

@7Blue_Beast7 Sounds like you need to take a break from chat then. Honestly, go off and do something in real life. Come back when you've got some sanity.

user15026

@GlenH7 Cool beans, I just wanted to be prepared because I got told in both cases I would hear things "soon" so I wanted to make sure I had all the ducks in the rows.

7Blue_Beast7

@GlenH7 Well I have done that already and I have my sanity

user41796

@7Blue_Beast7 No, clearly you don't. You've delivered your apology. If you want it to be considered, GTFO.

user41796

2:41 AM

@AshleyNunn Yeah, that's actually a very good and hopeful sign.

user15026

@GlenH7 I was hoping that too, but I mean if it doesn't work out, well, I will just keep on keeping on and hope for more sick days ;)

user41796

@7Blue_Beast7 - Not kidding - leave the room. Avoid chat for a few days. Get your wits back about you. Just because you effed up doesn't mean it's a permanent stain. But you do need to show that you've realized you messed up.

user41796

@AshleyNunn Yep absolutely. Really good firms will let you know in the negative quickly too. But those are ones you want to keep on your list. And to follow up and ask what may have been the challenges.

user15026

@GlenH7 Yeah, in both these cases I will do a follow up regardless of outcome

user15026

Because at least I can be gracious, and maybe learn a thing or ten

user41796

2:44 AM

@7Blue_Beast7 Absolutely. The screener can provide invaluable information from that point of view.

7Blue_Beast7

@GlenH7 I know I have messed up that what my intent is right now

@GlenH7 I just get stressed of dealing with my mess

I have been on computers since I was 7 and all I deal with is stress

user41796

3 mins ago, by GlenH7

@7Blue_Beast7 - Not kidding - leave the room. Avoid chat for a few days. Get your wits back about you. Just because you effed up doesn't mean it's a permanent stain. But you do need to show that you've realized you messed up.

user15026

Pretty much, yes.

user41796

Anyway, good news that one of them called back. Don't sweat that you couldn't take the call immediately.

user15026

@GlenH7 They've not, actually, I was just more curious because well, I want to know what to do

user15026

2:48 AM

But I suspect I will hear tomorrow/friday

user41796

Obviously, take the call if you can. But don't panic if it has to roll to voicemail. But do follow up as soon as you can.

Jimmy Hoffa

@AshleyNunn not answering your phone at inappropriate times is just professionalism, it's not expected that a professional will answer there phone at all times, but rather that they will respond in a timely manner when it is appropriate. That's how folks tend to accord themselves and as such expect the same from others. Nothing to worry about on that account.

user41796

Most companies are pretty good about getting back within 24, 48, or 72 hours depending upon their candidate load.

user15026

@JimmyHoffa Yaaaaaay

user15026

@GlenH7 Wicked. That's been my usual assumption (aka the point when I go, oh, okay, maybe next time)

user41796

2:52 AM

Yeah, post 3 days ... hard to say. Past a week, doubtful and worth pinging them. Past 2 weeks, put more irons in the fire

user15026

@GlenH7 I tend to keep my fires hot as much as possible

user15026

Yeah, me neither.

user15026

prepares a torch

user41796

I'll get the gasoline.

user41796

@AshleyNunn So how has the shift been with 3 hours to go? Not too horrific, I hope?

user15026

2:58 AM

@GlenH7 Not too bad. DDOS is happening but site is up, only the chat is being affected, so it just means my support stuff is QUIET AS HELL

user15026

(aka I am happy)

user41796

I'm trying to find the downside for you... Not finding it.

user15026

I am home, chatting on Skype with my boyfriend, in my pjs, and site-monitoring for whining. It's a decent night :)

user41796

Bueno

user41796

And apparently room owners have the ability to kick now!

user15026

3:01 AM

I could add a raspberry lambic to the mix but it's a little late

user15026

@JimmyHoffa Good hiring practice, perhaps (not a programmer, so I have no idea) but also I can see how it could be draining. But hey, perhaps awesome things will come soon? :)

user41796

@AshleyNunn Yeah, if you've got a few more hours to put in that could be detrimental

user15026

@GlenH7 Yeah, I got two more yet

user15026

but the lambic sounds so yummy :P

user41796

I'll have something similar in your honor?

user15026

3:09 AM

That sounds acceptable. Make it tasty :)

user41796

I think it's going to be a Mike's hard slamming cider

user15026

That works :)

user20683

@GlenH7 O_O

user41796

We better start deleting more messages now that @Ampt showed up. Oh, wait. Never mind.....

user41796

I have a bad habit recently of leaving comments that make it hard to follow up with .... :-D

user41796

3:16 AM

@AshleyNunn the cider is dang tasty.

user41796

Although it's "smashed apple cider" and they cut it down to 5% abv for whatever reason.

user15026

@GlenH7 But at least it is tasty :)

user15026

I think I might make myself some tea

user15026

I have some coconut chai rooibos I need to try

user41796

I can think of a few things to add to the tea...

user41796

3:18 AM

Mmmm, some dark jamaican rum should go perfect with that then

user15026

@GlenH7 Oooh that would work

user41796

Yeah, and skip the captain morgans. You need a rum that's super dark with a lot of body.

user15026

Recommendations? If it isn't beer, or sparkly wine, I tend to not know stuff :P

user41796

pyrat is decent

user15026

Beer I know. Girly fruity bubbly wine, I know. The rest of the LCBO is odd and confusing

user41796

3:21 AM

unfortunately, the really, really good stuff is all small batch hard to place.

user41796

CM's spice isn't bad either, although I'd probably go with pyrat first

user41796

Rum is actually my least preferred liquor, so I'm pretty pathetic with recommendations.

user15026

It's not my most favourite (I like whiskey, I think, but I need to explore that more, but it makes me nervous)

user41796

whiskey shouldn't make you nervous. Honestly, rum shouldn't either but that's the kettle calling the pot black.

user41796

whiskey is easy in that you can either drink it neat or mixed with sours.

user15026

3:25 AM

@GlenH7 Rum just isn't that yummy to me.

user15026

@GlenH7 I just get wibbly when I am attempting to figure out new things

user41796

rum generally isn't drunk neat (belch!) but is mixed. So find a good daiquiri recipe and experiment.

user41796

"free cash flow" and what you're willing to spend on education

user41796

Oh, aeroplano for a tequila is wretched. Enjoy the fruits of the tuition I already spent.

user41796

Ridiculously heavy oak notes in all of their tequilas. In short, areoplano sucks.

user15026

3:29 AM

Thank you for the lesson :)

user41796

YW. Someone ought to benefit from the tuition I've paid.

user41796

@WorldEngineer - would you burn this please? I think this is the 3rd attempt from the same user. programmers.stackexchange.com/q/257827/53019

user41796

Ok, not the user I had been thinking of, but the question is still garbage.

user41796

@AshleyNunn good luck with the rest of your shift. Pretty certain I can't stay up as late as you need to. :-)

user15026

@GlenH7 No worries. I have appreciated the company thus far! Have a good night.

Ampt

4:04 AM

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO INSOMNIA

This is when we talk about beer right?

user15026

@Ampt Why not!

user15026

I am still awake and working, sounds like as good a time as any

Ampt

Currently on tap: Pumpkin Spice ~~Latte~~ Ale

It is so good I can't even.

work is gross

user15026

@Ampt I like pumpkin beers.

user15026

I am waiting and hoping that Southern Tier's Pumking makes it here

Ampt

4:06 AM

I don't know how my old man did it, but he killed it on this one. just spicy enough to get the flavor, but not overpowering

Ugh, you guys were totally talking about beer without me

So.. you want to go to work for me tomorrow?

user15026

Nooope. I have tomorrow off, I plan to have adventures

Ampt

but I want adventures tooooooo

And not the kind of adventures that deploying tomcat apps make

user15026

But if I am working for you then you get adventures and I don't!

Ampt

ok, ok, we'll split it

that's fair right?

user15026

I suppose, not sure they will be happy with a canadian lady who isn't a programmer :P

Ampt

4:14 AM

bah, they'd never notice! I'm in a cube and don't get bothered very often

If an Indian guy comes around, he wants to go get starbucks

user15026

Good to know :)

Ampt

Just... say You/We/I shaved and he'll just accept it as fact.

user15026

This is looking like a plan

Ampt

Alright great! In that case I need to get some sleep so that I can officially have slept in tomorrow!

Best of luck with the rest of your + my shift!

user15026

thanks :)

Jimmy Hoffa

4:22 AM

@Ampt all things being equal, some form of dev-ops practice is good to get, it's surprising how little a lot of coders know on the topic of designing, standing up, and configuring their servers - is a skill that can make being generally productive in turning out well functioning projects quite a bit easier

Ampt

see and they love me for that I bring a lot of programming experience to their very heavy configuration background, plus my last gig dealt a lot with linux configurations

Jimmy Hoffa

lots of folks lose an entire week or more when it comes time to actually go from code in their editor to usable running service with functioning persistence and consistent behaviour

Ampt

but its also not a position I would want full time

way too stressful

odd hours trying to minimize downtime

always worried about breaking everyone elses work

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt nah, you just learn a ton of risk mitigation and environment isolation techniques - I did it full time, the people who don't have the engineering background don't learn to isolate and design procedures for consistency and or automation in their operations - for those people it's very stressful. Poor sys admins...

very handy skills

is why I know what I know of installers and blackbox debugging (a nightmare skill to learn best done by drinking until your cross eyed)

though I suppose you have a bit of experience trying to suss out behaviours from black boxes from your last job so you know what a miserable pain that is

Ampt

4:37 AM

The RMA guys had it way worse than we did, but yeah, I had lots of fun going "How did we communicate with this 12 years ago when we didn't use SVN and no longer have this code

the client has 4 dozen that are now useless after they updated and blew away the old code

Jimmy Hoffa

unfortunately well-roundedness like that really can't be put on display in interviews or in a particularly marketable way - but it pays off in spades in your overall job performance, people tend to notice then

Bart van Ingen Schenau

9:49 AM

Could somebody explain to me why this question is and remains closed? programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/257286/…

ratchet freak

10:03 AM

discussion topic and opinion based

for example should numbers be interpreted (should S1E2 be before or after S1E10)

Bart van Ingen Schenau

10:15 AM

Perhaps we interpret the question in different ways, but I don't see the discussion and opinion-based aspects. Or is it the fact that the question asks "is there an X" that works like a red flag similar to the phrase "best practices"?

user41796

2:42 PM

@BartvanIngenSchenau It read to me as an off-site resource request. I could see a transformation that says "How should I approach this from a language agnostic point of view." My worry then would be that it's too broad to properly answer, so some measure of scoping the question down would help.

user41796

FWIW, I don't really agree with the "primarily opinion based" close reason, but I could see an argument for an implied "one true way" to really just be an opinion fest. I'd argue Off-topic => off-site resource request would be a better close reason.

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