The Whiteboard

12:45 AM

another all-day coding session. working at company's where no one was ever allowed to do anything and all of your time was spent waiting for the next meeting totally sucked. may my new company live forever (and employ me as long)

user20683

@JimmyHoffa so I take it they have a solid process in place?

Jimmy Hoffa

pure agile

or the "Just do it, and then show us what you did" process

user20683

@JimmyHoffa and make sure you document/write clean code along the way or else...

Jimmy Hoffa

Just the latter, the former (rightly) comes after all is said and done.

Or so I presume, I haven't gotten to the completion stage yet; just the code-a-lot stage.

user20683

@JimmyHoffa yeah I'm doing an animation project at the moment but soon it will be time to do loads of code

user20683

12:54 AM

then I will take a final and then I will have a B.S. in C.S.

Jimmy Hoffa

which is the best because it rhymes

user20683

@JimmyHoffa due to abbreviations I can even extend it

user20683

a B.Sc. in CSc

Jimmy Hoffa

1:13 AM

magnificent

user20683

@JimmyHoffa a real job will be the real magnificience

Jimmy Hoffa

I am utterly failing at my task of "Create an all webforms" website. I got tired of writing code behind for all kinds of scenarios that are automatically handled by the jqgrid, and turned my gridview into one, then find myself writing all kinds of jquery to add the further complexities it's not handling for me..

Jimmy Hoffa

1:31 AM

@WorldEngineer riiight... have fun with your first. Don't screw it up and take some crapbox joint that doesn't get you coding or else you'll languish when you need to dive in the most.

What kind of interview questions have you got figured out to ensure you get the right place?

user20683

@JimmyHoffa Where do you see the company in 5 years?

user20683

amongst others

Jimmy Hoffa

that's boring, that just asks them to give you their sales pitch

you need questions that will have answers that will indicate what your day to day will be like

@WorldEngineer one of my favorites is "How many customers do you have?" The answer will go to the heart of telling you how the company is in regards to: joelonsoftware.com/articles/SetYourPriorities.html the reason you can't ask them directly what kind of stuff like that they do is because most people get it all confused in there head.

At my last place the engineer and manager in interview promised me that they got full rein to work in whatever part of the system they wanted to; but their perception was skewed from time spent there, they thought "the whole system" meant "Just the front-end", because they didn't imagine developers worked in more than one tier

their perceptions get skewed by their experiences, so you have to ask questions with objective answers rather than subjective if you want to know what's really going on in a company

user20683

@JimmyHoffa yeah

Jimmy Hoffa

consultingware for your first job; might as well just throw your first 2 years out of the gate away because you'll learn nothing about getting things done right or about good habits.

it's ok when you're on more solid footing because with good habits at your back you can take a leadership role in places like that

user20683

1:48 AM

@JimmyHoffa I've definitely been paying attention to what is good and not so good on here

user20683

in most senses I consider my time spent here as an "internship"

Jimmy Hoffa

@WorldEngineer which means you care about quality, all the more reason consultingware would be a bad first step. they'll ask you to betray everything you've learned so far which will drive you personally nuts, and listen to nothing you have to say because you're green

user20683

@JimmyHoffa I've spent enough time working in corporate retail to understand that sort of thing

Jimmy Hoffa

Yeah, though not all corporate shops are equal.

user20683

@JimmyHoffa yeah

Jimmy Hoffa

1:59 AM

Work on your question list. Remember, things that can't be answered subjectively. You'll be using your list soon, and the customary questions will give no usable information, just company lines.

user20683

@JimmyHoffa right

user20683

the trick as I see it is to treat it as an interrogation. I can't lie but they've every incentive to lie to me

Jimmy Hoffa

Well said.

user20683

2:17 AM

@JimmyHoffa the objective then, is to get them talking

user20683

you want them to slip

user20683

taking control of the situation shows initiative and also allows a window into the company's management style

Jimmy Hoffa

2:47 AM

@WorldEngineer In my experience it's getting them to shutup that's the hard thing. Most interviews I find they babble on forever making their pitch.

user20683

@JimmyHoffa I want everything in writing

user20683

all of it

user20683

every last little detail

user20683

I will then get a red pen and negotiate

Jimmy Hoffa

Good thing to keep in mind is you're on a schedule; if you get one of the talky ones who just goes on and on, be ready to break his flow or else you'll get no time for your questions

user20683

2:51 AM

right

Jimmy Hoffa

3:40 AM

I think I should have lisped before haskelling... Haskell taught me love for types, lisp tries to be about doing and not modeling. On the other hand maybe that's my problem; old habits die hard and all my time in OO and with DBs, I approach every new problem by modeling to start

Jimmy Hoffa

4:16 AM

Perhaps I'll try to write part 2 of my blogs on combinators by way of some searching and fiddling in clojure.. Need to practice something with it to get over the things in it that are annoying me

Jimmy Hoffa

10:58 AM

Please advise, this SO Q gives me pause about how to correct it...

7

Q: Jquery UI tabs. How to select a tab based on its id not based on index

Hi i have a two tabs and configured usign Jquery UI. ul class="tabs" li tabone li tabtwo ul dynamically from C# code behind i will hide or select some tab let say tabtwo and the other tab has to be hidden or not shown. i can do this in java script using .tabs({selected:1}); and .tabs(di...

The accepted answer admits it's incorrect obsolete and incorrect, and claims the next answer below it is the correct one. I flagged the accepted answer for deletion to get the correct answer to float to the top. I look at the answer it claimed is correct, and in comments everyone's saying the next answer down is the correct one...

Now I'm wondering, I suppose flagging for deletion an obsolete answer may not be the correct approach, otherwise I may as well go around flagging for deletion every answer I think is wrong, and I am de facto claiming another answer is correct where there's two answers with differing people claiming they're correct..

But what do you do? Expect everyone to read all the comments to realize which answer is correct, even though the correct one is halfway down the page? Is it wrong to flag an accepted answer for deletion if the answer itself says "This is no longer correct, look at the answer below this for the correct one", that's an admission from the author that his answer should not be on top of the stack but it is...

thorsten müller

I asked a similar question on SO-meta: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/115320/…

The basic idea seems to let things stand as they are, maybe add an updated answer, maybe flag question with version for which it was correct. But mostly don't make big changes. The answer was correct (and maybe best) at the time it was asked.

Jimmy Hoffa

@thorstenmüller ah... well, if my flag isn't accepted, I'll just edit the accepted answer to have the answer it claims is right in it rather than just being incorrect and telling people to read someone elses answer for the correct information..

To be fair, none of the mentioned options worked for me, but I'm not convinced that's not my fault

thorsten müller

Good idea I think. This saves time for readers. But this kind of version changes and deprecated functionality will stay with us. Difficult to find a way to handle this permanently, since most old question stand as they are without any updates at all. We would need to somehow "force" versioned flags and "mark" flags for old versions somehow. Like "warning: this question was asked for the new deprecated version of this tool"

Jimmy Hoffa

@thorstenmüller you just gave me a great idea... or a dumb idea that I think is neat.. Could create a development environment aware SO client. Start writing questions or answers in it and you've preconfigured it with the list of technologies and versions you work with, and it then appropriately details your environment and stack with versions in your posts.

On second thought, that's a stupid idea.

Maybe an SO client is what I should do for my clojure frobnicating..

thorsten müller

11:17 AM

We would need smarter tags. And yes, maybe a function that pre-selects tags from some user settings. But I think something like "please choose a version tag" when somebody selects a tag that has versions would help a lot. SO isn't that old yet, but this will stack up a lot.

Jimmy Hoffa

Aye. I wonder how the staleness of information will effect SO in the long run. One of the reasons I enjoy P.SE so much; the type of Q's we ask and answer here are based on studious research and application of the timeless skills in engineering

Jimmy Hoffa

11:55 AM

@Yannis you should be able to appreciate the irony there..

Jimmy Hoffa

12:26 PM

trashgod, United States

138 3

java swing user-interface licensing open-source optimization c#

Just a fun name and associated pic.

maple_shaft

	static public boolean isDateExpired(Date dt) {
		if (dt == null)
			return false;
		Calendar calToday = Calendar.getInstance();
		Calendar cal = Calendar.getInstance();
		cal.setTimeInMillis(dt.getTime());

		if (calToday.getTimeInMillis() <= cal.getTimeInMillis())
			return false;

		return true;
	}

uggghhhh

why

Jimmy Hoffa

@maple_shaft because insanity is fun, and they felt like sharing their exceeding wealth in that area

maple_shaft

I should start a tongue in cheek blog where I write about my thought processes in writing terrible code. I will be the Stephen Colbert of programming

Jimmy Hoffa

Is Calendar a singleton? or do the getInstance's return a new default calendar (presumably set to today)

if it's singleton, that is spectacular.

maple_shaft

@JimmyHoffa It is not even a singleton, Calendar is... well ... just forget it, Date and Time is fundamentally broken in the standard API

Jimmy Hoffa

12:34 PM

otherwise, it's just a function that should be isDateAfterToday(Date dt) ?

maple_shaft

I am not even going to try and explain

Jimmy Hoffa

haha

java stinks at DateTime compared to C# is the appearance

maple_shaft

Any good Java developer uses Skeet's Joda Time library instead

but I heard in Java 8 they are finally going to redo the old Date API

joda-time.sourceforge.net

Jimmy Hoffa

@maple_shaft looks like C#'s DateTime

@maple_shaft is this a bad question?

-1

Q: Are there any large scale enterprise frameworks for PHP

I'm curious if there are any commonly used large enterprise frameworks for PHP that would be your whole or most of your environment if you were working in PHP. Something comparable to ASP.NET's WebForms or MVC in that when you're working in either one, most of your code and system is based off of...

php frameworks

I see I got a down and close vote... I tried to not make it a shopping list question by simply asking if there are any, not asking for them

not asking for people's favorites or the best ones, just asking for any that meet that criteria...

maple_shaft

@JimmyHoffa I think just by begging the question you are coming off as high and mighty in the face of PHP devs

Jimmy Hoffa

12:39 PM

I have a strong feeling the down/close vote is because it looks similar to a bad question, and it's about PHP so they didn't look any closer

@maple_shaft I don't even care and it's not even my question, I just wrote it to pre-empt this

0

Q: Can questions about PHP work environments be on topic?

The specific questions I'd like to ask is how to prepare for PHP jobs since a) PHP is not fully OO AFAIK and b) There're no frameworks in the regular sense of other programming languages concept of frameworks. Now do you think that this spec question is something I can ask or should I avoid it?

support specific-question

If I come off as high and mighty it's just because I'm embodying part of that guys question. I already know the answer is yes, I'm just trying to illustrate to him how to go about asking his question

Though if my question is closed I'll be doing a piss poor job of demonstrating heh

maple_shaft

@JimmyHoffa I tried editing it, let me know what you think

thorsten müller

It still reads like: Are there any PHP frameworks that don't suck :(

Jimmy Hoffa

@maple_shaft the component based thing is not what I think that guy is trying to ask, I think he's more interested in a framework that does everything with ORM, and caching, etc

maple_shaft

@JimmyHoffa Well no... people who want things like that use a real programming language

duh

Rollback my edit if you think I changed it too much

thorsten müller

I still wonder what all this has to do with preparing for a PHP job?

Jimmy Hoffa

12:47 PM

@thorstenmüller I think he's not sure if he wants to take the job because he presumes PHP is just like hacking bash scripts

maple_shaft

@JimmyHoffa Well it is as sophisticated as you want it to be, but it certainly isn't RoR and I think thats what he was looking for

thorsten müller

Or it's ike: How do you PHP guys talk at interviews without making fools of yourself?

Jimmy Hoffa

haha

Yeah, I don't know what he's asking... Yannis will straighten him out most likely, I just hope that by example I'm illustrating how he can ask parts of a question to get ideas for how to ask other parts better

thorsten müller

I once considered applying for a PHP job (with a RoR background) and wondered too how I would show my knowledge without looking like I despise PHP...

Jimmy Hoffa

and to avoid starting questions with unverified assumptions

thorsten müller

12:51 PM

But what is the "regular sense of other programming languages concept of frameworks" anyway. Yannis was right to poiint out that this doesn't make much sense.

Jimmy Hoffa

@maple_shaft PHP doesn't have any RoR level industrial frameworks? I find that somewhat hard to believe

@thorstenmüller I think Yannis just wanted to point out there are frameworks, but like me he's not sure if the guy means framework as in jQuery or framework as in CLR

thorsten müller

define "industrial". There are more industrial PHP sites than Rails for sure

Jimmy Hoffa

Speak of the devil and he shall.. glide in like a disembodied head from the top of your browser window

thorsten müller

Zend and Symfony should be good enough for most projects.

Jimmy Hoffa

@YannisRizos you're verdict: Is my PHP question too pollish/shopping or does the fact that I'm asking for any just to know if they exist, make it acceptable?

maple_shaft

12:55 PM

8

Q: Is the algorithm more important than the programming language?

During the current (2013) Google Code Jam contest, there was a problem that took C++ and Java people 200+ lines of code as compared to Python people that solved the same problem only using 40 lines of code. Python is not directly comparable with C++ and Java but the difference in verbosity I tho...

java c++ algorithms python competition

What do you guys think about my edit?

It was getting flags for inciting a flame war so I tried to make it is non-combative as possible

thorsten müller

The problem with PHP is that whatever you ask there is always at least one person who thinks you're trolling PHP.

maple_shaft

I don't want to close it because it has some awesome answers

Yannis Rizos

@JimmyHoffa I was just reading it. The answer is correct (but sucks as an answer).

Also, there are component based frameworks, but... I wouldn't call them "enterprise frameworks". Then again, I wouldn't call ASP.Net an enterprise framework either.

maple_shaft

@YannisRizos It is a front end server side web component framework, not an Enterprise framework

Jimmy Hoffa

@maple_shaft the question is so different than the original now... your specific edit is good all except I don't like you exchanging "elegance" for "verbosity", they mean different things and the verbosity isn't mentioned anywhere else in the Q..

thorsten müller

12:59 PM

As I wouldn't exactly RoR. But now that HHP will give us Rails 4.0 and Matz Ruby 2.0 (with working GC, yay!) things will change soooon...

Jimmy Hoffa

@YannisRizos Why don't you think it's an enterprise framework? What doesn't it have?

Yannis Rizos

@JimmyHoffa What @maple_shaft said.

maple_shaft

@JimmyHoffa Verbosity is implied in his over the top example of the 40 lines of Python vs. 200+ lines of C++ and Java

thorsten müller

*HHP => DHH

Jimmy Hoffa

@YannisRizos @maple_shaft didn't mention anything missing from ASP.NET that you would expect from an "enterprise" framework...

@maple_shaft I thought the difference wasn't about verbosity, but was about language capability...

maple_shaft

1:01 PM

@JimmyHoffa It is missing schedulers, message queues, web services, connection pooling, etc...

Jimmy Hoffa

i.e. java required for a long time the strategy pattern where C# had delegates, the verbosity of the languages being equal but that language capability severely shortened the amount of code C# needed for various tasks

maple_shaft

sure much of this is baked into IIS but that isn't ASP.NET in my mind

Jimmy Hoffa

@maple_shaft uhh, it has all of those things..

maple_shaft

@JimmyHoffa Web services are ASP?

Jimmy Hoffa

@maple_shaft Ehh, IIS handles web connection pooling, ASP.NET hosts and manages everything else you mention there (technically ADO.NET handles the DB connection pooling)

maple_shaft

1:02 PM

Connection pooling is ASP?

@JimmyHoffa I say tomato, you say pasta sauce... we are talking about the same thing I am just ignoring the other "ingredients" that typically .NET developers take for granted

Jimmy Hoffa

I suppose. Perhaps Enterprise framework is bad wording

Yannis Rizos

@JimmyHoffa We need to make your question a bit more specific. Start by defining "enterprise framework".

maple_shaft

@JimmyHoffa In Java Enterprise, Web is just one facet.

I am being pedantic sorry

Jimmy Hoffa

Nah, it's a vague term and you at least have something to base your definition on (J2EE)

thorsten müller

about pasta sauce vs tomato: i.imgur.com/g4y7nd4.jpg

Yannis Rizos

1:07 PM

Hm... I can't say I love the new footer...

Jimmy Hoffa

@YannisRizos All of the things you do in a website is what I'm looking for there:
data retrieval (ORM), data representation (auto-generated UI), data caching, data serialization, data communication (web services)

Yannis Rizos

@JimmyHoffa Well then, all full stack PHP frameworks fit your description then. And there's about... 100 of them?

Except the auto-generated UI. There you got 1 or 2 choices, but they suck. Mostly, because it's not really something we like doing in PHP.

maple_shaft

@YannisRizos Autogenerated UI kind of defeats the control that PHP gives you over the HTML output of a page

Yannis Rizos

Yeap, different platform, different approach. Still, there are a couple of frameworks that tried to do it.

maple_shaft

God, I thought Java had too many platforms...

Jimmy Hoffa

1:12 PM

0

Q: Are there any large scale enterprise frameworks for PHP

I'm curious if there are any commonly used large enterprise frameworks for PHP that would be your whole or most of your environment if you were working in PHP. Something comparable to ASP.NET's WebForms or MVC in that when you're working in either one, most of your code and system is based off of...

php frameworks

maple_shaft

you .NET devs are spoiled

Jimmy Hoffa

@YannisRizos better?

@maple_shaft spoiled how?

maple_shaft

@JimmyHoffa Microsoft makes it so easy for you, they give you the choice of only 1 or two different types of tools or methods to use

albeit good choices

but still, you don't have to struggle with the decision about what framework

Jimmy Hoffa

@maple_shaft yeah, very true. It's definitely always been my favorite part about working on the MS stack, the other great benefit is the depth of knowledge people usually have on .NET is immense because they need so much less breadth compared to in java the community is far sparser with people having that much depth on things

(or so it seems to me)

getting help from the community is wicked easy because of that

.NET developers spend a lot of time studying and working in a tiny number of technologies

maple_shaft

@JimmyHoffa I agree with this... I did .NET development for a couple years and it changed my perspective on how I look at Java

Then I went back to Java and it changed my perception on how I look at .NET

Jimmy Hoffa

1:17 PM

heh

Yannis Rizos

@JimmyHoffa Better. But the answer is the same. You are describing every full stack PHP framework there is (and I'm not exaggerating when I'm saying there are 100s of them) minus the data aware UI stuff. Which is stuff we simply don't do in PHP.

maple_shaft

.NET is for the most part done very well. It helped me identify which Java frameworks are garbage

Jimmy Hoffa

@YannisRizos then write a simple answer saying that, there are tons and giving a link to perhaps some informative repository of PHP libraries and mentioning the caveat about data aware UI stuff and let the question be done with (before people revolt and try to throw it to the dogs)

Yannis Rizos

Also, for the most part PHP itself takes care of data serialization and communication.

Jimmy Hoffa

another good note.

@maple_shaft my perception is something to the tune of: Java appears to have sprinklings of libraries there that are futuristic to .NET because of their community having folks who do things like create scala and clojure, where .NET has in-built features that are miles ahead of java's default features and libraries.

@YannisRizos rejected or not, I swear Roxanne said that. And even if it's not true, it's still fun.

Weird. Dude goes by the name of TrashGod and surprise surprise.. he's a medical doctor? Who codes in Ada? Definitely a case of the internet continually putting us in contact with people 5 standard deviations from the norm..

user55340

1:38 PM

I already repcaped for the day?

Jimmy Hoffa

Looks like somebody linked out your testing answer..

user55340

Yep. Did you see the rep on the code review accepted answer?

user55340

101

A: Refusing to review code

Ask for a test case that fails without the change that succeeds with the change. If he can't produce one, you use that as justification. If he can produce one then you need to explain why the test is invalid.

user55340

This also helped me take over the top spot on the 'reputation gained this month' list from Robert.

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT do they have lists for previous months?

I wonder if I've ever been near the top

user55340

1:45 PM

I don't see it, and I'm sure it would be easy to reconstruct it.

user55340

Wait, I do..

user55340

stackexchange.com/leagues/52/week/programmers/2013-04-21

user55340

You can do 'previous week'

user55340

(and last week I was #1! Whoot!)

maple_shaft

3

Q: how to convince team and project manager that post-launch deployments are okay for new features

We have a site that launched and is "feature-complete", we've done all that the client has asked for and fixed a few bugs post-launch. However, I noticed that our site's home page is using 100 SQL queries, and there's no caching. I took half a day to add caching and did it in a branch. Now I'm w...

agile management project deployment release

this blew up fast

Jimmy Hoffa

1:48 PM

Last october I made 11.. best I've done... 18 in January this year

You were #1 in Feb too

jerk

You're also #1 for this quarter

Yannis Rizos

@JimmyHoffa You need to step up your game. We need moar delete voters.

user55340

He is deleteable...

user55340

I mean he can cast deletes.

Jimmy Hoffa

@YannisRizos I've been mostly living on residual here since I started my new job last month

Don't expect that to particularly change soon

user55340

@JimmyHoffa That was likely for the {} question.

user55340

2:09 PM

I'm trying to figure out the right wording for

user55340

3

Q: Is a try and catch that does not throw an exception more efficient than a conditional?

I came across this example recently: If 999 times out of 1,000 an exception will not be thrown then the exception is only generated once. On the other hand a conditional would have been called needlessly 999 times, therefore in this case the exception is superior. In this instance it's C#, ...

design object-oriented

user55340

I think there is some misconceptions about how try should be used.

maple_shaft

@JimmyHoffa Your a .NET dev... I have a quick question but I am not sure if it is appropriate for the site...

A while back I worked at a .NET place and I had the pleasure to be assigned to work with a really smart Indian dev on putting together an Architecture document for a product rewrite

He found a template for architecture documents that was written by who I think was a Microsoft MVP... and this document template had EVERYTHING.

It delved into sub sections and descriptions for all different kinds of possible architectures, Service Bus, Rich Internet Applications, Etc...

It was general enough that I felt it was useful to pretty much any software engineer or architect

regardless of technology

I can't seem to find it or remember anything else about it... would you know what I am talking about?

Jimmy Hoffa

@maple_shaft probably apparchguide.codeplex.com

msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee658086.aspx

The service section has been cloned out to another doc called the Service Architecture Handbook or Pocket Guide or something which is great for service stuff

@MichaelT there's always misconceptions about exception handling. It has got to be the least formalized part of modern OO development..

maple_shaft

2:31 PM

@JimmyHoffa Yes that is it!

THANK YOU

Jimmy Hoffa

Anytime

Yannis Rizos

@JimmyHoffa I wonder if Jeff was trolling us when he decided to call SE moderators "exception handlers"...

Jimmy Hoffa

@YannisRizos Since you all think something different of exception handling, it could mean to each of you whatever you wanted Jeff to mean. I gather you apparently wanted it to mean he loved you.. It's cool, I'm sure you're not the first SE mod he's had to chase out of a tree in his back yard

user55340

2:47 PM

@YannisRizos thank you for that merge.

Yannis Rizos

@MichaelT ChrisF did most of the job, I just took credit for it.

user55340

@YannisRizos Must have been an exceptional case to get two mods involved. ;-)

Yannis Rizos

Well, I needed a SO mod to migrate it here...

user55340

3:03 PM

@JimmyHoffa everything2.com/user/m_turner/writeups/Shoot+the+moon and everything2.com/user/m_turner/writeups/mass and lastly everything2.com/title/Getting+you+and+your+nodes+noticed

user55340

Oh, and this one too everything2.com/title/The+quest+for+high+rep+nodes

Yannis Rizos

3:40 PM

Hi newbie, this is currently too broad of a question to be answered. If you can imagine an entire book being written on the subject of your question then you are asking for too much. Please take a moment to familiarize yourself with the FAQ. Thank you. — maple_shaft 3 hours ago

user55340

@YannisRizos Instead of "give me the codez" its "give me the aritecturez?"

Yannis Rizos

@MichaelT I didn't notice the OP's username at first and I thought it was a bit weird @maple_shaft was calling him newbie...

newbie24x7, United Arab Emirates

1

android-development

user55340

Same question multi-posted

user55340

-5

Q: Back-End for Restaurant App in Android

I am new to Back-end development. I am planning to do an Android App which shows locations of nearby restaurants and order food via the App. I want to know the best and fastest way to design and implement the Back-end part. If anyone can provide a detailed explanation it will be very helpful. Tha...

android

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT correct answer: Intense study of dos batch scripting for ~3 months and he'll have it all figured out SOLID.

user55340

4:17 PM

0

Q: IDE sound effects

why don't IDE's have sound effects? Or - are there any IDEs with sound effects and where can I get one?

ide lifestyle

user55340

Every time a new yellow or red marker appears in eclipse you get the sound of a mosquito flying around. Every time you reduce the count, you hear a 'splat'. When you run juint and its all green you hear "woot!"

user55340

The original version of the question...

user55340

programmers.stackexchange.com/revisions/196120/1

Yannis Rizos

4:41 PM

btw, emacs can do that...

user55340

emacs is an operating system pretending to be a {fill in the blank} - it can do everything

user55340

4:53 PM

Emacs Makes Anything Completely Simple?

user41796

5:03 PM

If they haven't already, SE ought to create a emacs extension for mods.

user55340

5:18 PM

Interesting, looking at my rep, it appears that 'restore of rep lost from casting a downvote' happens "before" the vote change. This implies I can't get 230 rep by getting 200 rep and then having an additional 30 rep from deleted questions restoring downvote cost rep.

Jimmy Hoffa

5:35 PM

@GlenH7 why for mods? also there's this... stackoverflow.com/questions/10383986/…

I'm surprised there's not a straightup SO mode in emacs though

(there probably is somewhere)

a mode that let's you browse SO, search SO, vote, post questions and answers

user20683

5:58 PM

@JimmyHoffa

user20683

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Q: Emacs mode for Stack Overflow's markdown

I am using Org-mode in Emacs to handle all my technical documentation. I would like to use Emacs to prepare questions that I have for Stack Overflow. Is there an Emacs mode for that, or even better, an extension for Org-mode to handle Stack Overflow formatting? Ideally it should include all forma...

emacs markdown org-mode stackoverflow.com

user20683

6:47 PM

csswizardry.com/2013/04/shame-css

user20683

This is a cool idea

user55340

7:29 PM

@JimmyHoffa worrydream.com/AlligatorEggs

user41796

8:11 PM

@WorldEngineer - it's actually a brilliant idea so long as you acknowledge the underlying assumption. Specifically, it assumes that the developer understands that what they are doing is a hack. Regrettably, not all devs are at that level of awareness / education. FWIW, any hacks in my code get a /* HACK ... here's why I did this */ comment

Stack Exchange

8:27 PM

Blog - Stack Exchange: Get to know the new Stack employees

Joe Humphries on April 25, 2013

It seems like just two months ago (OK, it was exactly two months ago) that I announced our last batch of new hires. Today I’m pleased to introduce our newest employees. There are TEN of them … so get comfy and prepare to learn all about our latest hires, who seem to have an overall fondness for food, sports, music, and the great outdoors.

Jessica Brady, Associate Sales Representative (Careers 2.0)

New York

Jessica was born and raised in warm, sunny Florida, until she packed up and moved to less warm, less sunny Chicago for non-weather-related reasons (okay, it was school). She has l …

user55340

9:00 PM

Best part of rep capping, all your downvotes are 'free' if you cast them early. Worst part of rep capping - writing another answer and knowing that the upvotes go to the void rather than your rep today.

user55340

... but a better chance of having an accepted answer to go over the rep cap.

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