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4:32 PM

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@AmithKK do you see @RolandTaylor around?

@Gui Yeah

appears

@Gui no

Okay... I mentioned something and it pissed him off... I was wondering if you logged off or just blocked me..

hey all, I was just wondering if I should have asked my mysql question on here, or unix, or maybe superuser/stackoverflow; any ideas?

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Q: MySQL stop/waiting issues; "can't connect ... through socket"

So first time putting up a LAMP stack on a Bodhi machine (previously experience with WAMP, and LAMP on 10.04); I got Apache going, and a Drupal install begun, then I go to create a new database and when I log in to phpmyadmin ... I get a 'cannot connect error'. Tracing this back, I am running int...

mysql php services lamp

I wasnt really sure where to begin with the diagnostic, but wanted to at least eliminate the ubu/nix side of the equation

@mfg probably not here unless it has something to do directly with Ubuntu... but if if is an issue with MySQL then there are probably better places to ask...

You might find this of some help though

ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=804021

4:39 PM

that should go on unix/linux or SF, we don't do bodhi here

yeah, I tried the ubuntuforums answers, to no avail

yeah, I was curious about how ubu remixes are handled

can i put in a migrate request to unix/linux here?

or should i drop on meta

BBT

Good Night

Righto, I flagged it for review, thanks for the help @gui / @jorge

5:16 PM

So, in just less than 10 minutes using Unity from 12.10 it has completely crashed already twice! Changing locale settings (regional format) BOOM back to login screen. In "Disks", adding a partition on an Extended partition. BOOM back to login screen. WTF? Is this supposed to be this unstable?

(both reproducible)

5:39 PM

hey guys

@mfg probably faster to copy and paste the source onto U/L and then flag it for closure on AU

@Seth, when you edit a link, is it really useful to shorten it to "here"? I'd prefer something like "help.ubuntu.com/community/MATLAB" - but maybe its just me :-)

not trying to "second guess" you of course :-))

@guntbert link?

Ah, I remember.

IMO links in the middle of a sentence or paragraph just make it hard to read.

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Q: Should posts be edited to have readable links?

When reading, i find it infuriating to see links posted http://www.example.com/ rather than Example. Should questions and answers be edited to make links more readable, or is this not really seen as productive?

discussion editing hyperlinks

Why do we have exactly three moderator positions available for the next election? Any reason for it not to be any other number? (askubuntu.com/election/3)

@gertvdijk its just always three.

Are you going to run?

5:53 PM

@Seth Thanks for the reply the other day.

I'll get to fixing the restore button in cursor.

@gertvdijk I dont see any problem in the number being 3.

It is the standard maximum slots available. But it can be lesser depending on the site's need.

@Seth true, but in teaching HTML I've always maintained that "here" is to be avoided in favour of something meaningful - especially when we are thinking of visually handicapped people.

@Seth Yeah, I know it's always three. but why? :P I don't know about participating. I will have a lot less time available for this later this year.

@jokerdino You mean "standard" for SE?

@gertvdijk I am sure I am.

There are instances of 1 and 2 slots but 3 is always the maximum.

@guntbert Well, IMO it's better than a link just "thrown" in there.

I was told if we need more than 3, we would have election in a fairly shorter interval.

5:56 PM

@jokerdino Glad it helped :)

Thanks :)

@Seth Definitely! I'd advocate for something meaningful though - maybe I ask the question about people using screen readers in meta - later.

If you would ask my opinion, I would always prefer a more descriptive link than "here"

aaaahhhggg AGAIN... a user removing his question while I was providing an answer. :( This time I don't have the tab open anymore and not any reference to the user/question anymore...

patting @gertvdijk, "poor boy" :-))

Ask Ubuntu Meta

6:14 PM

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Q: Can I create and maintain a tag to support unity-tweak-tool?

Unity Tweak tool is a configuration tool meant for Ubuntu that I and some of my friends are working on. It is not yet available in official repositories but we provide a PPA for those who want to try and test it. Recently, there was a question about troubleshooting Unity tweak tool asked on Ask ...

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^-- this is sad.

For me it is like this all day, while I have plenty of Q&A to edit from the "Active" list.

hey, I don't even have access to the close and reopen queues yet :(

I just reviewed an answer "Just move to Windows, Linux is just awful"

6:37 PM

Why is the bottom 2/3 of my picture greyed out?

I don't see anything..

what browser are you using? Are you using Gravatar or the custom upload?

Firefox. Custom upload.

It's under the Ask Ubuntu General Room.

Not really important.

I am new to AskUbuntu and wondered if there was some policy against pictures other than your face.

:)

hmm, it might be a bug in the new custom upload.

I'd try using Gravatar and seeing if it goes away.

(if you want)

Thanks.

=)

6:41 PM

@Seth Do a google images search on KDE desktop and KDE netbook desktop. And you'll see what I mean.

The desktop he's using is designed for small displays.

@gertvdijk I have. Plus I have installed both.

Its not the same.

@Seth I highly doubt that!

you running kde right now?

yes. I don't have this widget. Only via the netbook package

@gertvdijk Where have you looked? Its a custom setting.

6:43 PM

@Seth in a vm I installed the kde netbook package and instantly got this very same desktop

including the bar at the top?

No. but that's not what the Q is about

Once I finish killing xfce I'll try for myself.

downloading right now.

6:59 PM

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that's just the default for search and launch in Kubuntu-Desktop

@Seth what? how do you get there? I see this:

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(small window)

@gertvdijk Alt + S

then change "Layout" to "Search and Launch"

@Seth ahhh... that. yeah, just don't do that if you don't like it.

it's not a nice layout for large screens

eh? That's not what is causing the problem.

then I don't get the problem in the first place. you don't have to use a search layout if you don't like it

7:14 PM

@gertvdijk No, no, no. Its not caused my search layout. It's KDE in general.

What graphics card do you have?

what? KDE does not look like that by default. It should look like this after install:

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graphics card is totally irrelevant, but I have nvidia with nvidia closed-source drivers.

@gertvdijk Actually, graphics card is important.

@gertvdijk yeah, I had the default for search and launch

I kinda think we're thinking about different things...

the Q was about how spacious Unity is vs KDE, right?

sorta.

then it's not a good thing to compare a netbook interface of KDE with a regular Unity desktop, on a large screen.

7:21 PM

My understanding of it is "In KDE everything is huge, while in Unity it is smaller"

@gertvdijk it's not the netbook interface. Similar, but different.

Oh and Alt+S does not have anything assigned in my Kubuntu install.

@Seth well, I call it the netbook interface as the netbook package just makes this setting the default

oh what ever.

@gertvdijk It was either Alt-D or Alt-S iirc

7:37 PM

ew more tags.

eh?

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Q: Can I create and maintain a tag to support unity-tweak-tool?

Unity Tweak tool is a configuration tool meant for Ubuntu that I and some of my friends are working on. It is not yet available in official repositories but we provide a PPA for those who want to try and test it. Recently, there was a question about troubleshooting Unity tweak tool asked on Ask ...

discussion tags

ah, I see.

so, what it comes down to is this: Will @jokerdino and the rest of the UTT team treat it like dustin kirkland treats the ecryptfs tag?

idk

7:42 PM

since when has the close-for-duplicate dialog changed?

I don't see whats the matter with that tag either @jrg

I just noticed it today

must have been today

ah okay, then I'm not getting crazy :)

oh wow

oops. wrong.

It's slower but I like it

it forces you to read the master question

I've messed up in the past where I just dupe it based on title

which can be bad

7:45 PM

i've had that happen like, twice.

@jrg yeah, I had that yesterday. 4 others just closed it with the same mistake

that's the problem with the review queue.

while I just must have made a simple copy/paste error

people don't read.

So, I was trying to add our work printers to a windows 8 box. WHERE IS THE ADVANCED OPTIONS FOR PRINTING?

oh man, the default vagrant boxes don't have byobu installed? cringe

and they aren't on 12.04.1 yet. ew.

8:05 PM

you mean the new ubuntu vagrant images?

byobu should be on there, just not on by default iirc

no, the the precise32 box that vagrant published.

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A: Can I create and maintain a tag to support unity-tweak-tool?

As long as you're going to maintain it, just do it.

@jokerdino

@jrg we're now publishing official vagrant images if you wanna give them a shot

oh sweet, found the link. thanks.

if they are not awesome lmk

vagrant images will be first class supported from now on

well, not now now, it's in beta

but you get the idea

8:22 PM

How can you be sure you are not duplicating a question?

Anyone else unable to close vote when the dupe has no answer?

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@JohnRambo you just look around on the site. Under tags you might use, etc.

don't worry too much if you can't find it and someone else does though.

8:40 PM

@TomBrossman let me check

@TomBrossman what's the original question?

err, the one you think is the dupe I mean

@JorgeCastro Hmm, I closed it in review. I'll try to find it again

oh ok

I guess I can't check then, heh

data.stackexchange.com/ubuntu/query/60279/possible-duplicates

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Q: Disabling Network-Manager-Gnome wireless scanning when connected

How do I prevent the default Ubuntu Network Manager (network-manager) from scanning when connected on my Wi-Fi network?

wireless 12.10 network-manager

This one is in the review, I was unable to close-vote it with the error displayed in the screenshot above. Related meta post here: V

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Q: Are we doing anything differently with duplicates when there is no answer?

In review, I'm seeing a couple subtle changes. First, the wording on the first popup changed to 'This question has been asked before and already has an answer.'(emphasis mine) The next dialogue is 'Where has this question been asked and answered?' I never give any consideration to whether a...

@JorgeCastro When I say I closed it in review, I mean I closed the browser window. The question remains open with no close-votes.

hmm interesting

I'll pay attention when I review

8:49 PM

Hopefully just a bug or I'm doing something wrong?

I can see why they wouldn't want duplicates to unanswered questions

so who knows

but from my perspective, piling all the people with the same unanswered question in the same boat is better

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Yes, either the question is a dupe or it isn't. An answer is nice but is a separate issue. I just tried the review again and same thing. It looks like it shows 4 close votes, but my button is greyed-out. Strange. Tried in Firefox & Chrome, same thing.

9:06 PM

the queue is getting busier and busier

I used to be able to do the queue and then some

now I can barely do the queue with one day's votes

9:19 PM

@JorgeCastro yes indeed. we need more close votes per day! it's a huge amount of those closeable questions and we only have a few users being actual janitors here.

once the review landed our slide in accept rate stopped

so I think the "rate" of closing/reviewing is spot on

but the problem is this huge backlog

9:44 PM

@JorgeCastro Is review new then? I haven't seen this site without it

I want to say about 6 months?

before review

we did everything by hand

so if you wanted to close a question, you had to find people

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ah okay. I'm a newbie here then. :)

oli even made a custom app to help with it: cleanup.thepcspy.com

so like, if you wanted to close a question

and it wasn't on the front page

you literally had to find other high rep users

good grief.

now it's easy, I know if I find a closeable question I can just stick it in the queue and the community will do the right thing

secleanup.com

9:47 PM

@JorgeCastro Do you mean the new review system is about 6 months old?

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Q: Ask Ubuntu Review Tasks (beta)

I think that the new Review Tasks is an excellent idea to clean the system of duplicates, dead questions, low quality, etc. I have noticed while reviewing, that some answers have already been recommended for deletion by other users, but are still showing up. Is there a reason for that, because ...

discussion feature-request review-beta

so at one point we were like absolutely the worst in the network for accept rate

then we did a huge cleanup

Before that, there was another review system, but it was less powerful and not very good at getting questions closed.

which got us back into the high 80's

so what would happen is we'd stay in the high 80's or low 90's

then a new ubuntu came out and we got crushed

and we would spend all cycle to get back

o/

but with the new system when a question is terrible it's relatively easy to close

so since ... I wanna say 12.04 or 12.10, maintaining has been pretty easy

but before then

we would lose at least a percentage point every few weeks on the accept rate of questions because there was just no way to coordinate closing

so we had like, a specific chat channel for them and do clean up weeks

9:50 PM

@jrg: If you can see a green color on the screen, that means the DisplayLink module has detected the device and initialized it.

Actually integrating it into the X server is something else.

but now it's relatively easy, if I flag something and I hit the queue I know by the time I go to bed and wake up it'll be resolved

Last time I tried, I had to switch the entire desktop to 16-bit color and turn on Xinerama. (And if I remember correctly, that disabled hardware acceleration or something.)

@gertvdijk the problem now is, all the old questions sit there instead of being resolved quickly, which is why I did using the datasets to find old easy low hanging fruit

@JorgeCastro okay :)

meta.askubuntu.com/a/1341/235 has some real easy ones

but I always run out of votes, heh

so I try to do it towards the end of the day

9:55 PM

askubuntu.com/…

there are those as well, the old no votes/answers

I am convinced that if we ran an old school "Clean up week" with the review queue that it would be awesome

with merchandise and everything, would be awesome.

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

10:23 PM

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Q: What happens when my hard drive is full?

I was wandering what happens when a hard drive gets full with Linux running? Does it lock the system? Or nothing happens? I am using Ubuntu Linux distribution.

ubuntu hard-disk

11:14 PM

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I don't get it. I cannot make it a dupe. Is this a bug?

3 hours ago, by Tom Brossman

Anyone else unable to close vote when the dupe has no answer?

look!

it has an accepted answer!

emm... I'd ask on MSO then.

it does have an answer in this case... bug!

did they just roll this feature out recently?

yes

11:17 PM

@mateo_salta yeah, new build.

@gertvdijk can you link to the question.

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Q: Why can't I mark this question as dupe? It *does* have an accepted answer!

Look at this question. I bumped into it using the Review Queue for Close Votes. I agree with the proposed duplicate, but I am unable to do so: The error This question does not have an upvoted or accepted answer is simply not true. The duplicate question involved has an accepted answer with a...

bug duplicates vote-to-close

@gertvdijk why here? This is system wide.

It doesn't let me flag it either.

same.

11:26 PM

I tried other random questions and they don't work either.

choosing random questions for duping to that one anyway

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Q: bug in closing duplicate question

This review is not possible to finish, because I get that this question can not be closed as a dupe of this question, because it has no accepted or upvoted answer (although it has two answers - each with 6 upvotes).

bug review exact-duplicates

@gertvdijk --^

lol, it will let me flag with one with No answers -

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good grief. major bug here.

@Seth linked this in my Meta-Q

thanks

Even better:

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Q: Cannot vote to close as duplicate sometimes

I'm voting to close mark "Premium SSL" vs "Stanard SSL" certificates - Any reason why I would want a "Premium SSL"? as a duplicate. It already has 4 votes to close as a duplicate of What are the advantages of EV Certificate?. But when I click “duplicate”, the wind...

bug status-completed user-interface vote-to-close exact-duplicates

not quite the same thing..

Shog9 just changed it to statuscompleted...

11:35 PM

@Seth yeah! meta.stackoverflow.com/revisions/165921/3

I still can't flag it though

@Seth no, different issue (that Q of Gilles)

9 mins ago, by Seth

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Q: bug in closing duplicate question

This review is not possible to finish, because I get that this question can not be closed as a dupe of this question, because it has no accepted or upvoted answer (although it has two answers - each with 6 upvotes).

bug review exact-duplicates

@Seth I was replying to a different message of you!

meh, my bad.

can you VTC it now?

11:40 PM

@Seth Nope. We'll have to wait a week before the next build is deployed... (well, I don't know about a week)

really? good grief.

but if it takes as long as the about page....

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@Seth meta.stackoverflow.com/tags/status-completed/info

24hrs

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Q: Why can't I VTC this as duplicate? It has an upvoted+accepted answer

Look at this question. I bumped into it using the Review Queue for Close Votes. I agree with the proposed duplicate, but I am unable to vote-to-close it: The error This question does not have an upvoted or accepted answer is simply not true. The duplicate question involved has an accepted an...

bug duplicates vote-to-close

11:44 PM

@Seth If the system presents you captcha's then you're cleaning too hard! hehe

@gertvdijk good.

@gertvdijk lol.. I clear my history/cache every couple hours.

One thing I don't like is how long it takes for the queries to refresh.. its like every 3 months :/

@Seth queries?

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A: Our answered rate keeps plummeting, ideas to improve this?

The Stack Exchange data dump is now more up to date and is now being updated on a weekly basis! This means that even if you run out of votes you can still leave a comment on the question so that it can show up in a query and get into the review queue: Here are some queries to find questions (fee...

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A: Review Old Questions?

I've assembled a wide range of data queries that can be used to pick out questions in need of attention. Questions who have at least 1 answer with no answers exceeding more than 2 votes and no accepted answer. Possible open bug reports Low quality unanswered questions Kill ALL abandoned questio...

@GeorgeEdison ok, guess it wasn't working. ok.jpg

@JorgeCastro cool, will do.

@flabricorn: I will be there at the time and place on the gcal invite.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

so micro center of chicago lists what arduino gear they have in stock at each of their locations on their website. insert charlie sheen meme here

11:56 PM

microcenter is good about that stuff

they do it for all their inventory.

at all their stores.

makes the difference for us at work - do we order from microcenter and drive out, or do we amazon it.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

yeah, my thing is i want to support a local store...that and i don't like waiting for shipping

for us, it comes down to: Do we need this before end of day, or can we wait for it to overnight.

(oh, and even if with gas, it's cheaper, we might do MC)

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