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12:16 AM
@WinEunuuchs2Unix quite good man! What about yours?
 
Really weird... yesterday was a holiday so half the world is all messed up around here :/
But work is done so now I get to play in Ubuntu so it's all good now :)
How was your day @IanC?
duh you already said "good"
see what I mean about messed up ? :p
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix it was a bit rushed, but good! I went out to buy some stuff for my bicycle and leave it on the shop, then on the afternoon I went to sign the financing contracts. I've the keys to my place now! :)
tomorrow I'm going there to give it a good clean before moving anything there
 
Is this your first place of your own?
 
yeah
still have to work somethings out there, but I'm happy to have a place for my own now
 
Well that's a huge deal then! Congrats :)
 
12:19 AM
thank you!
I might be a bit away from chat for a while, not even sure when I'll be able to get some internet there
still have to deal with some basic stuff, like getting a refrigerator, a washing machine and an oven :p
 
We I moved into this place Nov 2015 I had an air mattress as my only furniture and used my cell phone as a hot spot to use my laptop. Later I tethered it via USB... but man I burned up 6 GB really quickly!
 
my cellphone plan is a bit lame, I might pay a bit extra on it to use it as a hotspot for small stuff like chatting
 
Now the place is filled up and I'm ready to move to a bigger place :)
 
downloading things will be a bit hard though, bye bye youtube (for a while) :p
 
Yeah I use 200 to 250GB a month but I'm going on a diet to keep it at 150GB with new ISP.
 
12:23 AM
I'm not even sure how much I use
I don't know man, I'm excited to go there, even losing some commodities I've here
 
I use vnStat with Conky to give me totals for --- today, yesterday, week and month.
 
I was just a bit tired of the mess, I was at the point I wouldn't really motivate myself to do some cleaning in the house because people wouldn't keep it
 
commodities = money, stocks and bonds right?
 
commodities = internet, oven/refrigerator/washing machine, a bed, and yeah, my money is pretty much gone for a while hahaha
 
Hello @ChaiT.Rex we don't see you in this room often... welcome :)
 
12:27 AM
Hello.
 
I lost all those things when I moved out from the house I was sharing too but I had lots of money saved up over 9 years to buy what I needed.
The reason I didn't move out sooner is rent + utilities was 1/3 of what I pay now and I didn't have a secure job so didn't want to risk it.
Anyway I was in the same situation you were and I can promise you you'll LOVE IT!
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix I just see this new place as a door to some cool possibilities. Here I'm kind of stuck, I'm sharing the place, I'm having those discomforts with cleaning, the place isn't mine so I don't feel like really investing in it. There I'll have the place for my own, it will be up to me and me only to keep it clean and fit, I'll be able to invest, who knows, a rack to keep my surfboards organized, some furniture to keep my clothes and stuff. I can get things done there you know?
I feel happy because I think I'll be a much more motivated person there
@WinEunuuchs2Unix hopefully, I think I'll do :)
 
I was more motivated and did more cleaning in my own place too. Plus I had more freedom for stocking fridge, cupboards and cooking :)
 
I've been eating a bit worse since I came here, because I often feel like eating out to avoid cooking in a messy kitchen
 
1:00 AM
Yeah the old house I was in was a pig sty too... I really hated it.
 
bleps
 
Speak of the devil :)
@ByteCommander I put in the rm command changes to prevent top level directory deleting we were discussing this morning: askubuntu.com/questions/865023/… (ps Thomas has 45 upvotes on that now).
 
want to hear a funny story from my RPG/D&D run earlier today?
and lol 45 upvotes.
 
Yeah I just posted my answer revision with 1 upvote there.
 
you say that like +45 * 10 is an achievement :p
 
1:12 AM
Well... I'm a lowly 7800 points :(
 
this Chaos Diamond makes me have no care for a little bit of rep anymore when it applies to me :P
 
Could have had 500 points today if Gerorge Castro accepted my bounty... but he let it expire sigh
 
So, was tutoring this guy in C again. It can be difficult sometimes when you're dealing with a person who's in Civil Engineering major. They automatically become resistant with "Why do I need this fu**ing class, I'm not a programmer"
Though seems like he catches up kinda OK. Not super fast, but OK
 
As long as his money is good Serg and he's making some progress it's all good!
 
yeah, I guess. I kinda understand his frustration though - the professor doesn't teach that good, and doesn't want to invest time on explaining to students, so she send him to me. Which is good, but still . . .
 
1:16 AM
Yeah you always get 1 bad prof out of 10 but they can't be fired because they have "tenure" :(
 
And then you capture them committing a crime and they be arrested either way :P
tenure over.
next.
 
@ThomasWard do you think I should write a new Q&A to get out of your shadow on that rm password question? Because my answer has morphed to more than a simple password: askubuntu.com/questions/865023/…
@ThomasWard I'm sure profs commit crimes like everyone else... but white collar crime doesn't get prosecuted often... as lawyers where REAL white collars :p
 
I have a shadow? I thought I was shadow and darkness and chaos, I didn't know I had a shadow of that power as well
summons forth his shadow to do his bidding, and demands it bring chaos to the world
watches the world burn
resets the world
 
I think 45 upvotes is one hell of a shadow over my 1 vote!
Besides that there is a wall of text with other answers also > 1
 
if it's the exact same question you know what'll happen to it if you've done any /review work
 
1:21 AM
I'll make my question different with an introductory sentence "Thomas the Ward of the Dungeons said I should post this new question"
It'll pass all reviews :p
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix before or after I close it :P
 
both...hehe
You didn't even read my answer to see how different it is from OP now.
 
but you got an upvote because what I read was good heh
 
Are you saying you are the only one that upvoted me? sigh
Last two posts are confusing... I think we're both drinking beer.
 
in RPG General Chat, 18 mins ago, by Thomas Ward
because all my team was incapacitated, I was all that's left with three enemies during this homebrewed campaign - a Dark Hell Sorceress, and three hell hounds she summoned. Somehow took over the loyalty of the hell hounds, and seduced the sorceress on the fourth roll.
in RPG General Chat, 18 mins ago, by Thomas Ward
And now my Dark Chaos Mage has a Dark Hell Sorceress as his mistress, and three vicious hell hounds as familiars.
well ponder this then instead and how such evil could originate from me.
 
1:26 AM
RPG = Report Program Generator one of the most popular programming languages in the world.
Also know as "Role Playing Games" where the experts don't make any money like the billions made in the first definition :D
um errr hundreds of billions :)
Personally I probably made 100 grand on RPG but I"m not sure.
My next forey (sp?) will be with a dim light bulb called LAMP where I'll probably make only 5 bucks...LOL
Hey I just got 10 points on rm password was that you @ThomasWard?
 
maybe it was the dark hell sorceress who is my mistress in the D&D campaign i'm in.
 
What my ex-wife plays RPG's now?
 
lol
 
I guess marriage is an RPG for many people shrugs
Until divorce explodes with an RPG (Rocket Propelled Grenade) ;)
 
or a BFG.
(go ask Arqade what "BFG" stands for :P)
 
1:34 AM
Big F'ing Guy? Grudge? Grenade? Google? what's G?
Arcade or Arquade? (u always follows q in english)
 
The BFG is a fictional weapon found in many video game titles, mostly in first-person shooter series such as Doom and Quake. The abbreviation BFG stands for "Big Fucking Gun" as described in Tom Hall's original Doom design document and in the user manual of Doom II: Hell on Earth. The Quake II manual says it stands for "Big, Uh, Freakin' Gun". These euphemistic labels imply the more profane name of the BFG, "Big Fucking Gun". Another expurgated version of the name used in the Doom motion picture is "Bio Force Gun". The versions found in the Doom games are called "BFG 9000" and those in Quake "BFG...
 
The hardest part of RPG's is setting up skins to make your female characters hot.
You can hack the profiles to give yourself unlimited lives, weapons and money.
Did I say "hack"? I meant "accidentally edit"... just in case that polar bear in NSA employee :P
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix Whereas the NPCs can be made very hot by an imaginative DM with little effort. Which explains the mistress in the campaign i'm a part of.
 
NPC's was something they talked about in Witch Hunter reviews but I've never played it. Only Mass Effect.
Same program for hair textures and stuff though they say you can copy and paste some how... never figured it out though.
March 17th new Mass Effect IV is coming out and I'm so excited. I'll have to install Ubuntu Virtual Box for Windows 8.1 so I can check stuff out here when I'm playing in Winland.
I still think there should be a Ubuntu for Windows 8.1. It's not fair it's only for Windows 10. Can you send a message to Mark with your 1 in 500 membership account? @ThomasWard
 
You can run Ubuntu in Windows 8.1, you just need to use a virtual machine, that's all :P
 
1:43 AM
All hail @Seth the moving gif thingy king!
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix haha
 
If you have the Pro version, then you don't even need VirtualBox - just use Hyper-V.
 
@NathanOsman I know about VB.... I was refering to Ubuntu for Windows, I think it's unfair it's only Windows 10 that's NSA stuff they say.
 
You mean WSL?
Yeah, that's limited to Win10.
 
If Canonical wants to be open-source Richard Stallman style they should do it for Windows 8.1 which I can only run.
 
1:44 AM
@WinEunuuchs2Unix ask M$
 
Yes Ubuntu for Windows = WSL.
 
i said ask Microshit Microsoft
 
"Richard Stallman"-anything is a bad idea, IMHO.
 
Bill Gates and I aren't on speaking terms anymore after the mother of the marketing executive 3 doors down from him met me :)
 
There's a reason we have the ABRMS License.
 
1:45 AM
Richard promotes wget they say :p
my real name is richard but I don't use it I use rick instead.
 
@NathanOsman does this involve MBTs?
 
ABRSM is the exam board of the Royal Schools of Music, delivering over 650000 music exams and assessments every year in 93 countries.
 
Planet Earth II started airing in the US.
 
IS that a good show @Seth?
 
1:47 AM
@NathanOsman lol
 
@NathanOsman o0
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix Haven't seen it yet, but Planet Earth was amazing.
 
usually reading licenses is so boring, but this one! @NathanOsman
 
@NathanOsman hahahaha. Wow.
 
1:48 AM
@Seth Is that the 3d show the Edmonton Library has that I wanted to take out after I buy 3d glasses? @Seth
 
What goes around comes around.
 
It's not FSF-compliant (obviously) but still funny.
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix don't think it's 3d.
@NathanOsman FSF compliant isn't really a good thing IMO
if you like true freedom.
 
I always release my stuff under the MIT license.
(Except Mozilla add-ons - they are under the MPL.)
 
which isn't FSF compliant, is it?
 
1:50 AM
Mass is can't spell it Institute of Technology
 
Massachusets Institute of Technology license?
 
haha I was faster :p
 
Lol.
 
(maybe I'm misremembering some details here)
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix damn, you beat me haha
 
1:50 AM
@Seth I thought it was.
 
MIT - the forgotten college of science pros and theoretical physicists in Half Life.
 
It's far more permissive than the GPL/LGPL.
 
@Seth you are so right the library has two D verstion of Planet Earth... soooo boring :(
 
@ThomasWard Lol.
 
@NathanOsman Pretty sure FSF compliant makes you release modifications.
 
1:51 AM
@ThomasWard I though half life was going nuclear thingy.
 
That's the whole point of the GPL.
 
GPL, yes.
But I didn't realize that was also part of the FSF.
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix Call me old school but I never liked 3D and I don't like 360 videos.
@NathanOsman FSF developed GPL :P
 
I know :P
 
TLAs ftw! (three letter acronyms)
 
1:53 AM
@Seth well I bought 3D Sony TV and sony 3D blu-ray... Just looking for excuse to buy their 60 dollar 3-d glasses which means I need a free 3-d blu-ray disk from the libarary....ironic after spending a grand but there you go :)(
 
LUAFROS. (Let's Use Acronyms For the Rest of Our Sentences.)
@WinEunuuchs2Unix Sidenote: your TV is spying on you.
 
NFW
@NathanOsman yes my TV has wifi, ethernet an bluetooth I"ve configured and am running all the time for no reason except making NSA's life easier... plus I open my blinds on East and West windows :)
 
:P
Maybe I need a tinfoil aluminum hat.
 
On my cell phone I have location tracking turned on so you can follow my travelling within a couple of feet.
 
You don't need location services on for that.
They can triangulate your position using cell towers.
 
1:56 AM
I like to spy on myself too... why let NSA have all the fun?
 
Bonus points: your phone may not even need to be turned on - the baseband processor may still be doing things.
A Faraday cage - it's the only way to be sure :P
Takes off hat.
 
First time I heard about NSA was graphiti spray painted on a transformer box in Nanaimo BC.. I thought what is NSA?... how far we've come since then :)
 
They have graffiti in Nanaimo? Lol.
 
Yes and a few hundred smashed pumpkins on a side road... that was even freakier.
 
I didn't think the kind of vandals that do that could afford the ferry ride over there :P
 
1:58 AM
I think they were homegrown.
 
Oh, that's the worst kind.
 
Besides if you walk on the ferry it's a lot cheaper.
 
That's true.
 
Half-Life (stylized HλLF-LIFE) is a series of first-person shooter video games that share a single science fiction alternate history. The games in the series all utilize either the GoldSrc or Source engines and are linear, narrative, single-player titles. Valve Corporation is the developer, and partly the publisher and distributor, for their signature games of the series. The major titles in the series feature the player as the protagonist, Gordon Freeman, a theoretical physicist initially employed by the Black Mesa Research Facility. Two of these games, Half-Life and Half-Life 2 are full length...
you need to learn the art of gaming lol
 
Just your knapsack and spray paint.
 
1:59 AM
Yes, we know what HL is.
 
@ThomasWard I think I read that half-life review.... I actually did a lot of "window shopping" of top 20 games in 2015 and 2016 but didn't buy any.
 
@NathanOsman you and I might, but apparently not @WinEunuuchs2Unix here.
:P
 
It's a fairly iconic game.
 
true statement.
but still.
 
talking to you guys is the best role playing game there is ;)
and I save 80 bucks :p
 
2:01 AM
Making crowbars great since 1998.
 
dude I got the entire half life series for $25. All of them
 
Hmmm 1998 isn't that when hell came to earth?
 
like three years ago lol
 
@ThomasWard It was on sale for less than that last Christmas.
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix you're thinking DOOM, not Half-Life.
and that was 2159.
 
2:02 AM
I grabbed Portal for $2.
 
Guy at work wants to buy retro Nintendo NES with Super Mario Brothers and 30 other games for 80 bucks in shape of original console but all sold out.
It's like 1986 or something.
He's like 55 and his girlfriend wants it for Christmas.
Well the last Christmas, but now he's trying to find it for next one.
omg I'm at 8163 points....one of my favorite numbers... thank you @ThomasWard... don't upvote me @NathanOsman !
 
O... kay.
 
or um err down vote me :P
When I get mod tools at 10k can I ban @Seth, @ThomasWard and @NathanOsman if they don't follow my orders?
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix diamonds > mod tools
 
2:06 AM
@WinEunuuchs2Unix mod tools doesn't give you what you think it does ;)
 
Mr. Composite Fiber Poles here is un-ban-able.
 
CM Godliness > Diamonds > Mod Tools > peons > banned
 
Damn I could have blackmailed you all for 50 cents... I would have a buck and a half.
 
Blackmailing a mod, are we?
 
Atom editor is pretty, but goddamn - it takes forever to start up
 
2:06 AM
bans @WinEunuuchs2Unix out of principle
 
@Serg How much RAM do you have?
And do you have an SSD?
 
whistles innocently damn NSA must have hacked my keyboard again.
 
@NathanOsman plenty of ram, on AMD SSD
$ free -h
              total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:           7.7G        2.2G        2.5G        446M        3.0G        4.7G
Swap:          3.0G          0B        3.0G
 
Bad NSA Bad NSA... be good!
 
@Serg Huh. It should be very fast then.
 
2:07 AM
Oh, wait, my phone's ringing.
"Uh huh... mmhm... yep, I'll tell him."
 
it's the NSA don't answer
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix my NSA friends want me to tell you something:
 
they can't have another raise
tell them NO
 
Takes about five seconds to start for me.
 
"We aren't bad. You are far worse than us. We know where you live and what you are doing. We. Know. Everything."
 
2:08 AM
@NathanOsman well, I think my SSD might be slowly dying . . .or it's just slow. A week ago we were comparing speeds with byte and kaz, mine was like twice slower than byte's
 
But then again, I'm used to Sublime which starts instantaneously.
 
@Serg stop filling your SSDs with nsfw imagery, it'll increase system responsiveness.
 
@Serg What speed is it rated for?
@ThomasWard How does filling it up do anything?
 
@ThomasWard Tell the NSA I didn't know they were bright enough to watch TV :)
 
The lifetime of an SSD is proportional to the reserve capacity of flash cells.
I'm not sure if there is a standard way to check what this number is.
 
2:10 AM
Is that half life Nathan?
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix What?
 
@ThomasWard all my p0rn is on HDD, though.
 
blame all the indicators and scripts I write
 
@Serg have you run the disk benchmark tool?
 
2:11 AM
@NathanOsman wastes R/W cycles which will burn out the disk faster :P
 
um . . . no, we did some sort of smartmontools command . . . still haven't learned its name though . . .
 
@ThomasWard We're talking mountains and molecules here.
 
TMI, @NathanOsman. TMI. :P
(nah, just kidding, it was old-style IT Technician humor, sorry, not meant literally as the cause of the problem)
 
The disk is able to withstand writes in the petabyte range.
Capacity is measured in GB and TB.
 
 
2:13 AM
Is that the write benchmark?
 
live disk heh
 
I thought you could do a read test without unmounting.
 
@NathanOsman it may want to remount ro to prevent anything from messing with the reading. I.E. if reading, and something writes, it causes issues.
 
How can reading mess anything up?
Writing, I can understand.
But reading?
 
my bad, i did write benchmark
 
2:15 AM
@ThomasWard How?
 
@Serg oh well that explains that
 
 
@ThomasWard HOW?
 
@ThomasWard See, told you :P
280 MB/s.
Let me try my Intel disk for comparison.
 
is officially insane
@WinEunuuchs2Unix context.
must have.
 
2:17 AM
Typical values are supposed to be around 500 MB/s
 
@Serg ---^
Those numbers are pretty similar to yours.
 
OK . . . very odd then. Maybe Chrome is hogging everything ?
 
@ThomasWard The context is I was reiterating Nathan's comment and drinking beer.
 
@Serg I have the system monitor indicator running and it shows disk I/O usage in the graph. Maybe you should add that and then keep an eye on it.
Then when it spikes, you can investigate.
 
yeah, i could do that
 
2:20 AM
One other question - how much of the filesystem is on the SSD?
 
how much ? As in how many gigabytes full ?
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix ah. well at least He is not coming this day.
 
No, which directories are on that disk?
I have mine split across disks, for example.
/ is on the SSD, but I have some directories on another spinning disk.
 
Root with everything else. No swap. I only have swap files there
 
Hmm... then it should be running fast.
 
2:21 AM
how come hdparm -tT isn't working did I type it wrong? How come everyone else has cool graphs? :(
 
$ df -h
Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
udev            3.9G     0  3.9G   0% /dev
tmpfs           788M   21M  767M   3% /run
/dev/sda1       110G   78G   28G  74% /
tmpfs           3.9G  156M  3.7G   4% /dev/shm
tmpfs           5.0M  8.0K  5.0M   1% /run/lock
tmpfs           3.9G     0  3.9G   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
/dev/sdb6       399G  174G  206G  46% /mnt/HDD
cgmfs           100K     0  100K   0% /run/cgmanager/fs
tmpfs           788M   68K  788M   1% /run/user/1000
 
I don't know what to suggest.
 
I probably should move my swap files to HDD , but those aren't in use
 
Yeah, that's not going to make a difference here.
 
brb, need to go to class
 
2:22 AM
Really we don't need swap these days but don't tell Heymenall preacher guy that.
 
I have SATA 3 Gb/s on my motherboard.
 
Sata III is 6Gps
 
I know that.
 
Sata II is 3Gps
 
That's what I said.
 
2:23 AM
Sata I is 1.5 Gps
 
3 Gb/s.
 
I have Sata III SSD on Sata II channel so I'm the big loser!
 
I doubt my disks are hampered much since I have a fairly old SSD.
 
Ugh. There's this debate going on in various ubuntu mailing lists about moving the docs away from XML formatting and into markdown. And there are a bunch of people that think we should keep XML! Disgusting.
 
(From... 2011 or something like that.)
 
2:24 AM
On my other laptop I have 1 TB Sata III Hybrid on Sata I channel :p
 
I'm not saying markdown is the cure all, but I will never contribute to docs in XML. Ewwwww.
 
@Seth Even phpBB markup would be better than XML :P
And that's really saying something :P
 
@NathanOsman yes!
to both counts.
 
We use XML at work on business documents and it's so ancient and flakey.
 
Even for configuration, JSON (or YAML) is much better and easier to read.
 
2:26 AM
Then again our VM is Windows XP shrugs
 
YAML is really where it's at right now for configuration.
 
Is YAML fly by night though? Don't forget Sensible Soultions.
 
YAML is backwards compatible with JSON.
Any valid JSON is valid YAML.
And Go ships with a YAML encoder/decoder in their standard library.
 
Yeah I read that (on Wiki (where they said (brackets are used (instead of indents))))
 
I'm trying to think of what else uses YAML... Travis-CI, Docker Compose, etc.
 
2:29 AM
If there was ever a man that knew too much it would have to be @NathanOsman
 
Thanks but I hardly know anything :P
There's so much out there to learn, I'll never come close.
 
And humble to boot :P
 
My desire to learn is driven by an unceasing curiosity to know how things work.
...and robots are cool :D
 
You are just using the humble line now "The more I know the more I know I don't know"
 
Well, it's true.
 
2:31 AM
Dancing christmas lights are where it's all at :)
 
Yup.
 
I downloaded ProjectM last night. it's cool.
 
YAML is ok but I prefer JSON because it's an object
 
not as good as iTunes Audio Visiualizer but damn close.
 
JSON is YAML :D
And with YAML you can add comments.
 
2:32 AM
YAML includes JSON!
 
@NathanOsman fair enough
 
Even the acronym is awesome. YAML = "yet another markup language".
:P
 
The YAML language accepts the entirety of the Unicode character set, except for some of the control characters. All of the accepted characters may be used in the YAML document. The YAML document may be encoded in UTF-8, UTF-16 and UTF-32 (though UTF-32 is not mandatory, it is a must if the parser is to have JSON compatibility).[12]
 
I don't see UTF-32 much in practice.
UTF-8 and UTF-16 are the most common encodings I see.
 
I'm struggling to figure out UTF-1 and was waiting for user UTF-8 to return here to ask him what his name meant.
 
2:34 AM
UTF-8 is a variable length encoding.
Characters may occupy one, two, three, or four bytes.
 
It took me two years to learn ASCII stands for American Standard Code International something... which I forgot after two decades :)
 
The neat thing about UTF-8 is that it shares the first few characters with ASCII.
 
^^ There
 
So ASCII is automatically valid UTF-8.
 
Did Mark Lord rewrite hdparm last night?
$ hdparm -t

hdparm - get/set hard disk parameters - version v9.48, by Mark Lord.

Usage:  hdparm  [options] [device ...]

Options:
 -a   Get/set fs readahead
 -A   Get/set the drive look-ahead flag (0/1)
etc. etc.
I thought -tT was supposed to do a speed test????
nvm it was the beer:
$ sudo hdparm -Tt /dev/sda
[sudo] password for rick:
Have a gorilla...
[sudo] password for rick:
It's only your word against mine.
[sudo] password for rick:

/dev/sda:
 Timing cached reads:   13764 MB in  2.00 seconds = 6886.02 MB/sec
 Timing buffered disk reads: 1554 MB in  3.00 seconds = 517.95 MB/sec
 
2:51 AM
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Q: ZFS Ubuntu 16.04 Replace drive with itself

KayotI'm new to the ZFS filesystem. I was using a DrivePool in windows, but I wanted something that would correct errors on the fly as well as create and maintain snapshots. I was using BTRFS at one time; however ZFS was included with Ubuntu 16.04 and I've heard that ZFS is more stable than BTRFS in r...

 
I guess I have to write a wrapper script for hdparm now to tell user to specify device sigh
 
anyone wanna see a terribad pun?
 

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