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12:00 AM

Yeah, I'm going to be ubunut for a while, then I'll switch to my usual look.

Kay. I should actually take some sleep now. It's 2 AM... :-/

Good night.

Jeez, get to bad ASAP

GN

12:20 AM

@ByteCommander you got the tuna?

BTW, hello all.

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Q: Many troubles trying to mount QNAP NFS server on Ubuntu mount point

I have a QNAP TS-251 NAS with a pair of 4 GB drives set up as RAID 1, running as a server, mainly for backups. It has the default operating system, QTS 4.2.0 (2016/01/19), which I think is current. It's a customized flavor of Linux with a GUI interface that I run from my Windows desktop. It has I...

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I'm currently fuming against UPS. They claimed nobody was home when they tried to deliver a package but somebody was home. Frustrating... hey, didn't that happen to @Oli once? That sounds vaguely familiar.

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That. Exactly that.

@NathanOsman I need to choose a language for a very simple web app. There's no major security concerns, and no need for performance. What should I use?

And I don't want to have to do that socket or proxy junk. I just want it to work.

Anonymous

12:29 AM

@NathanOsman similar stuff happens with the Amazon same-day delivery service contractors

@KazWolfe Python with Django.

It's the simplest to get up and running.

@ThomasW. may I ask you something about python ?

And there are boatloads of resources online if you run into any problems.

@NathanOsman I already have NGINX running though...

So? I deploy Django apps with Nginx.

All you need is uWSGI.

12:36 AM

then proxy_pass. again

@Serg anything I can help with?

@KazWolfe is that bad?

I'm trying to avoid using proxy_pass and sockets.

@Serg sure, though I think more than just me may know things and can help :)

Then don't use Nginx!

Apache doesn't work either.

Still need proxies.

12:37 AM

That's kinda how it works...

@KazWolfe uwsgi is its own socket. nginx opens TCP sockets. you have to proxy_pass to backend applications regardless

Unless you use mod_php (deprecated) you're going to be using a proxy.

even in Apache you have to - they just make it 'hidden' by making PHP its own builtin module - it still goes to a separate backend process

@ThomasW. @NathanOsman well , I am trying to play with dbus in python ( for a script of course ) , and the issue is . . .i need to tell python to treat var as command

Why not just PHP

12:38 AM

@Serg code snippets are fun, not sure what you mean by 'treat var as command' :)

Basically like variable expansion in bash

OK, will post in a minute

@KazWolfe you want to use PHP?

it still doesn't need me to deploy a full stack

It seems to be the easiest.

Yeah, it does.

You need the PHP interpreter.

The proper way to run PHP nowadays is FastCGI. And that's no easier than Python+uWSGI.

So you gain nothing.

^ that

12:40 AM

why is web so hard now

and that applies regardless of webserver. Apache, nginx, lighttpd, custo python webservers, they all have the same evils of PHP or non-HTML backends

It was never easy :D

@Serg gist.

line numbers make me barf :)

The only possible exception may be Go since it packs its own web server and event scheduler.

But that's not something you can quickly learn and get started in :P

mmmm... Go... there's four projects I need to know some Go for, and I don't know it :/

12:42 AM

And even still, I put Nginx in front of my Go apps.

Because static files.

indeed.

@NathanOsman @ThomasW. paste.ubuntu.com/18137277

stupid obvious question: python 2 or python 3

pythonclock.org

o/ @badp

long time no see here :)

12:44 AM

Sorry @Serg. I'm on my phone and about to eat.

@ThomasW. haven't decided yet :) Let's go with 2.7

I arrived sooner than expected...

Catch you all later.

bon apetit !

@Serg want me to throw sticks at you for the fail I already noticed early on?

E: Missing Colon for Function Declaration

@Serg you need an IDE. I'm looking at your code, and proxy. shows all the methods it inherits from the dbus object already given to it

@ThomasW. I want that to be passed to the function, not hard-code it into the function

Also, Ill take some sticks for my cozy bon-fire

12:48 AM

@Serg so you want get_dbus(foo,bar,baz) to return the DBus object?

mmmm . . . wait a second . . . that's a good idea actually

@Serg explain "passed to the function"

because that's fairly vague

@Serg what do you want the function to do?

proxy contains a DBus object right now

← 2 messages moved from Discussion between ThomasW and Serg on Python

(created a room but we decided against using it shrugs)

OK . . . .basically , python needs to have bunch of lines for getting dbus output

What i want is the same as this:

qdbus org.ayatana.bamf /org/ayatana/bamf/matcher org.ayatana.bamf.matcher.WindowPaths

Give a command some parameters, and it spits out output

Problem is the actual method part

Python wants it like proxy.WindowPaths(dbus_interface=' . . . ')

so i need some way to telling python function , take VAR='WindowPaths' , and stick it onto proxy.

something like eval

I can write method that will run qdbus command with Popen , but i wanna do it the dbus way

stick it onto proxy how?

as in that's the arguments passed to WindowPaths, or...?

ahhhh your comments are useful

@Serg do you want these 'results' to be wide open to the entire Python script or specifically for get_dbus?

@ThomasW. entire python script, i may need to reuse the function multiple times

1:01 AM

ok give me a minute to think on this

@Serg so. I don't think this is as easy as you think it is

because there is no ayatana functions in here

where'd you get the WindowPaths code?

@ThomasW. Got example here: dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-python/doc/tutorial.html Modified it to work with Unity ( ayatana is part of Unity's window tracking system )

I sort of simplified it, but not quite happy

I made the function return proxy

So now i can do this

windows = get_dbus('org.ayatana.bamf','/org/ayatana/bamf/matcher').WindowPaths(dbus_interface='org.ayatana.bamf.matche    r')

@Serg may I make a modification perhaps?

if you don't mind.

has the code open in PyCharm

sure . . . meanwhile i found something else,too

@Serg because Gist does highlighting better. gist.github.com/teward/4ffa18aa5a0dae802cd79a07e1dcc254

1:16 AM

I GOT ET

hold on, need to clean up the codez

gist.github.com/SergKolo/4bc7856ddfbc1fb4ff56732e60dd19db

we should get rep for reviewing

en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Python_Programming/Dbus And all was here

like +1 rep per action or something (if your action was the "valid" one that took effect)

@Serg cool. Mind if I still make more changes?

@ThomasW. please do

1:23 AM

128 new messages here

at least it's a power of 2

128 new messages of awesomeness and pythoness

@KazWolfe SRSLY

@Serg do you mind if I split things up a little into multiple functions?

@Serg If it was you and Kaz, I'm sure

I'm out for a smoke . . .man i feel good after getting this function working

1:24 AM

@Serg STOP SMOKING

@Zacharee1 hey. I try to help sometimes. Also, it's more useful than ubuntu poops.

:)

@Serg iz bad 4 helth

@KazWolfe what now

@ThomasW. em . . . how about keeping two internal functions within one ? ( nested functions )

@Serg because you can only do that in a class - they're still part of the same .py

@Zacharee1 i might quit soon , all thanks to Jacob . . . well, i need my gf's approval too

1:25 AM

I just want rep for reviews.

@ThomasW. is keeping that as one and the same function not good ?

@Serg you're hesitant about approval for quitting smoking?

you can do it this way but...

@KazWolfe pls

@Serg review PEP8

1:26 AM

wow, SU gets way more stupid questions than we do

@ThomasW. I'm not familiar with PEP8

@Serg gist.github.com/teward/52a7f58ec94a1e3652831ebf95418912

stylistic changes for the most part

PEP8 is the style guidelines

PyCharm has it built-in for things.

Thomas E. Ward

waz teh E

"Enlightened"

:)

Oh, so no variables on caps ?

1:28 AM

surrrre

THE RESISTANCE SHALL FALL

@Serg not in arguments, no.

@Serg globals, outside all classes, etc. yes.

WE STAND BEHIND JARVIS AND THE ACOLYTE

@Serg properties and variables inside a class, yes.

function arguments, and variables inside of a function, no.

@KazWolfe what are you on about?

1:28 AM

Ok.... otherwise, does it look good ?

(if nobody gets those references, i will be very sad)

or maybe I should just say, what are you on?

@Serg if it works, it works, though I'd probably have made a separate "get_windows" function so you don't have to call get_dbus twice.

want to see what I mean?

@Zacharee1 My doctors are unsure.

o-O

you're fun

1:29 AM

Well , i wanted to have a reusable function for any purpose

do whatever you want - just my recommendation was all

@Serg @Zacharee1 ONE OF YOU CHANGE YOUR PROFILE PICTURE. PLS AND THNX

lolol

I'll do it

@KazWolfe Caps lock rage is reserved for the Mighty One, please don't abuse

:P

@ThomasW. *is Shog in disguise*

1:31 AM

@ThomasW. more caps you say?

@Zacharee1 To shreds, you say?

@KazWolfe idek

@Serg I prefer separating functions out, so we have private 'getter' methods that aren't exposed to the world; you call 'get_dbus' twice here is all

I am now Ubantu

which is a 'wth'

@Zacharee1 Cool, i'm working on an "Evilbuntu: Embrace the Evil" avatar now >:D

1:32 AM

uh oh

competition...

hey

but i am bad at art :)

You could make the ones for the constructed misspellings

I could make them for observed ones

@ThomasW. oh great. now that you're a mod, you can delete your own messages from way far back

i could

you just did

but I won't

@Zacharee1 2min is within deletion sniper range of normalcy I believe.

1:34 AM

No, 2 minutes is when it goes away :p

might've been rounding on my side.

meh.

poof

removes the 'delete message' button with a userscript

there

lol

that damn neighbor's dog keep breaking out fense

1:35 AM

@Serg that damn Ukrainian keeps saying "fense"

:p

@Zacharee1 <.< mv Zach /dev/null

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@Serg not mv dog /dev/null huh?

I have a poor sense of humor :)

user image

1:36 AM

@ThomasW. ur a poor sense of humor!

tfw prod 1, 2, and 3 go down

oooooh

@KazWolfe huh?

mv -t /dev/null that_damn_dog.bark Zach.spellin_bee

@ThomasW. are your messages still throttled now that you're a mod?

I have three prod servers. prod1.thatserver.url, prod2.thatserver.url, and prod3.thatserver.url

1:37 AM

@Serg lez confoos Kaz

yes throttling affects us all. only the Great Gods of Stack Exchange have the Godliness to avoid it, and they don't abuse it either

All three just went down simultaneously

@ThomasW. there are people who aren't?

@KazWolfe lol

@KazWolfe same network on all three but different IPs?

^

1:38 AM

@ThomasW. Same provider, one in EU, two in US

or three different providers, on three different IPs, on three different servers?

Well, Canada.

could it be your side at fault?

it is, somehow.

gimme linkz

1:38 AM

i'm just going to blame devops.

for..'testing'

o/ @James

@Zacharee1 IPs are: 127.99.194.93, 127.4.29.203, and 127.21.4.77

@KazWolfe blank

oops wrong window

1:40 AM

rly?

what

We're talking about ISPs

lol

erm

mre

nobody tell him

1:41 AM

lol locals :)

yawns

wat

*growls at a mod*

grrr

i need coffee. again.

grrrr

1:41 AM

strange, i cannot get type of that functions output

it's not the ISP because I can still access staging just fine

or can you

hi

oh no

What?

1:46 AM

refresh

and?

Kaz was complaining that Serg and I had the same avatar, so I changed it

and, well

OK, I'm uboontu now

Oh lol...

I got these new headphones,,,

they are too loud...

@Zacharee1 Evilbuntu. I need. :)

:)

my volume is at 4% and it is too loud

1:48 AM

lol

@TheXed DING

@ThomasW. hmm. Tomorrow?

@Zacharee1 what about tomorrow?

oops

@Zacharee1 i was kidding, you don't need to make the evilZALGObuntu avatar :)

diep.io/#C6D3EC05BB3086 -- join meh in diep because lol. Put [SE] in your name.

whoops

clicked a bookmark by accident

2:08 AM

@KazWolfe Sauron died. heh

well im off

have fun!

2:29 AM

Too many low-quality comments in askubuntu.com/questions/792934/…

2 hours later…

4:12 AM

hullo

@Zacharee1 distinguishing users by username isn't enough for @KazWolfe

Tsk, tsk

4:30 AM

Whale whale whale, what do we have here?

@Edity your comment seems to be fishy

yes

You really capitalized on that opporTUNAty.

2

A moderator used me from the ASKUBUNTU pencil cup for editing.

lol

always take the chance while you can, never leave it to salmon else

2

4:40 AM

i'm a bit worn

@Edity you need to sharpen up

And the moderator forgot to sharpen me.

Sharpens Edity...

() () () ()

:D

Where did you get these ubuntun things

@Zacharee1 made them.

You can find them here: meta.askubuntu.com/questions/15684/ubuntu-misspellings

4:46 AM

hahahhaha

in south pencil, edity writes you

i hereby certify @NathanOsman to be lord of memes and puns

I agree

Okay, accepted :)

Who agrees I am the god of annoyance

oh and also lord of all things feline

4:53 AM

"only edity will annoy others. noone else shall." -jokerdino

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5:10 AM

meanwhile . . . . i am trying to figure out how to identify Unity desktop

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lol youtube.com/watch?v=UW7T6SJcD8g

who is on Ubantu and wanna test out my python scripto ?

@FranklinYu hello, by the way , new person. Haven't seen you in this chat before ^_^

5:28 AM

@edwinksl I wasn't even in the US when that version came out T_T

5:45 AM

What is the result of Moderator's Election?Do anyone knows.

@MuditKapil ThomasW and terdon won, they are our new mods

6:01 AM

woooo another post by ubuntu boss

@edwinksl who ？

Did Mark Shuttleworth post something ?

yeah askubuntu.com/a/793008/15003

Nice

I didn't know he was on ask!

Yes he is !

He doesn't post a lot though

6:10 AM

I doubt he had much time though. That's why

running a company , attending conventions and stuff - he is busy

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Gone!

6:37 AM

Can anyone comprehend why Apple wouldn't make the "Home" key jump to the beginning of the document instead of the beginning of the current line???

ugh visual studio

takes forever

now I know what @NathanOsman feels

Installing?

yes

UGHHHHH

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ubun TUN

6:46 AM

OK, my bash gone stooped

Git just dropped me into vim.

I hate you, Git.

it says gsettings: command not found

That's not good.

What happens with:

which gsettings

from interactive shell it's ok, but that's the error i get from script

$ bash toggle_launcher.sh
toggle_launcher.sh: line 6: which: command not found

what the actual fsck

i am utterly confused

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