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10:02 AM
SO is just a weird site - I mean - look at this stackoverflow.com/questions/8999221/… - in my mind its an obscure question, but somehow its got 125 upvotes. Madness.
 
Fixed the question now.
Interesting, I don't even know what this ominous Mercury editor is. :D
 
@fossfreedom there are 125 devs that need a solution to that problem?
 
I'm a developer - never heard of mercury editor never mind the rest of those tags - as I say - obscure in my mind.
 
@AbrahamVanHelpsing 128, three developers disliked the question.
 
good call, but if three dvotes that means 131 total.
 
10:07 AM
No. 128 - 3 = 125. :)
 
yes. 128 up. 3 down. net score 125. number of voters 131.
 
Well yes.
But we were talking about developers that had the same problem, which would be 128.
 
well yes. fair.
 
What's mercury?
 
Hg
 
10:12 AM
That, I know
 
some ruby/javascript fanciness i suppose looking at the question
 
10:27 AM
So, I actually just came here to show off my new fancy notebook. :D
 
@OctavianDamiean I dont see it
 
DIS MAH BABE!
Samsung Series 9
 
crowd ooohs. crowd aaaahs.
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:D
0.50 inches high
F* YEA!
Weights 2.5 pounds
 
just checked specs. isn't it kind of an x86_64 tablet with a keyboard?
 
10:32 AM
No.
I mean come on. Intel Core i7, 4 GB RAM and a 256GB SSD.
Show me a comparable tablet. :D
Oh yea, and the display resolution is at 1600x900 on a 13.3" screen.
The i7 is at 1.9GHz with an option to clock up to 3GHz in turbo mode.
If you don't pay attention you can probably cut yourself with the screen as thin as it is. :P
 
okay. i guess i'm just a more powerful should be heavier suitcase phone kind of guy and all the ultra-thin ultra-portable stuff is still a slick design trick to get people to pay double kind of thing. opinionated
it's still nice though
 
What's most impressive is the bootup and shutdown speed of that thing with Windows 8 (preinstalled).
7 seconds boot up from the button press to the desktop.
 
there went my enthusiasm ;)
 
That's not bad.
I'm currently assessing the possibility to install Ubuntu on it.
There's a couple of things that won't quite work which is kinda sad.
 
hardware driver bounties. just saying. gun.io exists, but there so needs to be some kind of integration with launchpad or popular/desirable hardware list
 
10:42 AM
> Beards of Experience
I already love that site.
 
10:59 AM
Should this be the canonical question to dupe all the pre-february release day ubu-phone questions to? http://askubuntu.com/questions/235691/ubuntu-phone-emulator-and-developer-phone-release-date

example: http://askubuntu.com/questions/239490/how-can-i-get-started-with-ubuntu-for-phone-development
 
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Q: What is meant exactly by "Development on Ubuntu" in the FAQ?

gertvdijkSparked by this question and this comment, I'm confused to what development stuff here is on-topic and what isn't. The FAQ says: Development on Ubuntu. Well, that on leaves room for wider interpretation here. My interpretation: see answer. Others seem not to share my opinions about it and...

 
development really means developing ubuntu software and stuff like that.
if you are building for ubuntu, then it is application-development
> Development on Ubuntu.
on / for = app-devel
 
it's just going to be another one of those "just make everything on topic then scream about site cleanup" things
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@jokerdino yes, my thoughts exactly. however, I think "how do I apply this random patch to Django I installed from source isn't"
 
Anyone good with VMs?
 
11:14 AM
installing from source is one hell of a headache.
 
@Mochan yup. what you want to know?
 
can we make them offtopic already?
 
that discussion has been had repeatedly at length. and it's always "i don't see why it can't be on topic. someone who isn't me will handle it."
 
@gertvdijk I have a Windows .iso which I've put on a VM in VirtualBox. It says that the VM closed unexpectedly with error #1. It also says I haven't installed a Kernel Module. I'll attach a screenshot. Thanks for your help C:
 
at the very least, it is not a development question
 
11:16 AM
I'd say developing for Ubuntu Phone questions should go to Stack Overflow.
 
@gertvdijk ----^
 
That's the same thing with Android questions and developing for Android questions.
There is an Android enthusiasts SE site but development questions are off-topic there.
 
@Mochan ah that's VirtualBox ugly way of doing things.
@Mochan You've tried the suggestion?
 
What suggestion?
 
the suggestion in the error message
 
11:17 AM
Oh, the etc/blahblah thing?
 
yes, it should install the kernel module via DKMS
 
Is DKMS default in Ubuntu?
 
do other VMs work and just not this one?
 
I don't have any other ones. I don't have any other .iso files either. So I'm not sure.
 
@Mochan no, I believe not, but installs automatically only if you install some stuff that needs it. Nvidia graphics driver for exampe.
 
11:19 AM
@gertvdijk I have AMD pity me XD
 
it's just one example. I have 4 packages that needs DKMS here
 
@EliahKagan some people just don't get it, I swear I've flagged this user at least twice for abusive posts, yet he persists
 
How would I install it? Just apt-get install dkms as root?
 
@gertvdijk in answer to your question about pinging people yesterday, I'm not sure really, assuming that you just take the name in their URL profile (if that makes sense, not sure if it does)
 
$ dkms status
vboxhost, 4.2.6, 3.7.1-030701-generic, x86_64: installed
nvidiabl, 0.79, 3.7.1-030701-generic, x86_64: installed
nvidia-current, 313.09, 3.7.1-030701-generic, x86_64: installed
 
11:21 AM
@Oyibo What was the question? I ping people a lot.
 
@Oyibo no, URL username does not work.
 
$ dkms status
virtualbox, 4.1.18: added
 
@Mochan interesting.
"added" is not "installed"
 
+1
 
@gertvdijk oh really? thats strange, I didn't know
 
11:22 AM
@Oyibo If you compare the example, there is a difference.
 
@Mochan are you sure you've completed the VirtualBox installation? The packages both in Ubuntu and on virtualbox.org install into dkms automatically
 
@Mochan his question is here: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/7602634#7602634 you're probably more of an expert on it than I am :P
 
@gertvdijk I downloaded it via apt, I think. Should I try via the Software Centre?
Yo @HackToHell~!
 
also just realised I misread your question gert XD
 
@Mochan that's the same.
 
11:24 AM
@gertvdijk I know T___T
 
hi ;)
 
SC is just a fancy UI in front of APT...
 
Yo @VRU
 
Got ubuntu working in your tab ?
 
VRU
@Mochan Hey Hi!
 
11:25 AM
@gertvdijk I know. Perhaps I should rephrase: "Should I try reinstalling?"
@VRU o/
@HackToHell Noooope. T__T
 
@gertvdijk A slow as f* fancy UI it is.
 
VRU
@Mochan You are late today? stand up on the bench
 
@OctavianDamiean It's fast for me. I have a fancy processor and a fair chuck of RAM though.
@VRU ?
 
@Mochan maybe. it could also just be a simple DKMS setting somewhere or Virtualbox-OSE specific.
 
Well, all my 8GB RAM and my AMD Phenom II X4 @3GHz doesn't make it fast.
It probably just dislikes me then.
 
11:27 AM
@OctavianDamiean Yep. I use command line only.
 
@gertvdijk I'll try reinstalling and see what happens.
 
Let's hope aptitude with Multiarch arrives soon. I miss aptitude!
 
VRU
@Mochan well I was looking for you.... never mind.. howz things at your end.
 
@OctavianDamiean LOL. I have Intel Core i7 and 6GB of RAM. (+2GB for the graphics)
 
seeing as we're on the topic of AMD, if I were to buy a new laptop: AMD or Intel? (both performance-wise and driver-wise)
 
11:28 AM
@VRU Not too bad. It's 10:30 PM in my area.
@Oyibo Intel.
 
@Oyibo Intel. Driver wise.
 
@gertvdijk +1
AMD = depression. I would know.
 
i like amd, but intel is open drivers.
 
It's sad that AMD is trying so hard, but not getting anywhere.
 
@Oyibo I'd say Intel as well.
 
11:29 AM
@AbrahamVanHelpsing AMD is renowned for issues on Ubuntu (you probably know that already).
@gertvdijk Are they? Well, at least they're different form nVidia.
 
Intel combined with Nvidia is pure win.
 
yeah I'd heard that pretty much everywhere but wanted to see if this was a universal opinion and not just based on my impressions
 
everything is renowned for issues on ubuntu. i didn't have any issues with my AMD/ATI video card
 
@Mochan I was referring to market share in CPUs/APUs. Not really GPUs
 
@OctavianDamiean o_____________o
 
11:30 AM
AMD is bad - Nvidia is bad - Intel is bad. We should all go back to TTY
6
 
@gertvdijk Oh lol XD
 
@AbrahamVanHelpsing I was talking CPU-wise, should've specified
 
@Takkat Never heard of it. //shot
 
I <3 sc
what does it have to do with apt?
 
@Takkat lol
 
11:30 AM
@BrunoPereira o/
 
@BrunoPereira it uses APT I hope....
 
@Mochan °¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯°
 
@gertvdijk we are not talking about starcraft are we?
(joking here)
 
good grief
 
Oy @BrunoPereira! o/
Sup bro?
 
11:31 AM
@OctavianDamiean le gasp
 
and GPU- NVidia over Amd right? :P
 
ask Linus
 
I installed it via StarCraft. That does not make sense.
 
@OctavianDamiean hai! where have you been hidding?
 
Under a rock. :D
 
11:32 AM
@OctavianDamiean Man, he's your bro? I'm going to have to add to the family tree DX
@Oyibo LOL.
 
@Mochan we were secretly in love, until he broke my heart for a rock
 
@Oyibo yup, but only if you need 3D power. Intel is better at video processing!
 
@BrunoPereira I see. Well this is going to get interesting.
 
I'm sorry for betraying you with that rock but it was so seductive.
 
VDPAU is really utterly broken in Linux. It's so disappointing...
 
11:33 AM
@Mochan conversation ends here, its just too painful!
:D
 
And I was weak.
 
@BrunoPereira on the topic SC expansion coming out in March :D
 
oh god, brain is diverging and its still midday... Need coffee and a cigar.
@Oyibo yep!
 
@BrunoPereira sympathy hug
 
I have an Ivy Bridge laptop here, HD4000 Intel GPU in the CPU, but the freaking manufacturer HP decided to turn it off and only allow me to use the power hogging Nvidia Quadro card. Really... do not buy these kind of machines.
 
11:34 AM
@gertvdijk I do a lot of 3D-modelling with physics, I need both really, which leads me to beleive NVidia Optimus would be optimal in my case, will just have to fiddle around with Bumblebee a bit I reckon
 
@Oyibo Expasion I'm looking forward to is coming in March also.
@gertvdijk LOL. You poor thing XD
 
@Oyibo Optimus would be optimal. Hahaha.
@AbrahamVanHelpsing ._.
 
switchable graphics is not ready for mass consumption yet
 
@Mochan SC one right? Or what expansion coming out that I don't know about? (might not play the game yet)
@gertvdijk guessing your HP was meant to be switchable easily through Optimus-technology right? Heard it sometimes just doesn't work unfortunately on linux :(
 
@Oyibo Starcraft? No.
 
@Oyibo Display isn't wired up to the Intel HD Graphics. And even worse: I can't use it for offscreen rendering/processing...
 
@gertvdijk then whats the point of having it in there? Surely they can't have manufactured it in such a stupid way without a reason?
 
The freaking HP BIOS tells the CPU to not advertise its graphics capabilities. It just won't let me use a brilliant piece of hardware I paid A LOT of money for.
 
sounds like fail communication between HP software+hardware engineer departments
is there no way to install an alternative BIOS? (I'm not sure this is possible just throwing it out there)
although with the punch that laptop packs, you probably won't need to change laptop for the next 5 years :P
 
11:43 AM
This wasn't in the specs as well.
 
Is that a "pocket" PSU?
 
hp bios has been getting a little better.
processor supports hardware virtualization, bios does not let you enable the feature. was my problem.
 
@Takkat It's the one that came with my "laptop", 230W (!). Luckily I got a smaller one, 150W after complaining.
 
@gertvdijk yeah, you'd need an extra bag for it to carry when travelling
 
even 150W seems an abuse
wow
 
11:47 AM
@gertvdijk 230 What? As in what is the point in that overkill does it even use that much? :P
 
I had a ThinkPad before. It died.
@Oyibo HP official specs say my machine needs it. It's doing 30-35W idle for a notebook. Probably 20W+ is Nvidia. I managed to get it to peak at 120W (according to upower -d)
crazy for a laptop, right?
 
Now in winter you could use it as an additional heating.
 
@Takkat It's the loudest heater I've ever come across.
 
Use it as hairdryer in case it was raining.
 
:)
 
11:50 AM
lol
 
It runs Linux pretty well. Can't spot a non-standard quirk to use apart from a glitch in the brightness controls in ACPI.
This makes me piss off though. There's a Linux BIOS image and a Windows one. Now if you have a model that was shipped with Windows, you can't load the Linux one...
 
WHUT??? ... O.o - that's really bad.
 
You just have to prey they didn't screw up ACPI and other stuff in the Windows update.
 
@gertvdijk how do you check laptop power usage? Any package to install? I'm curious because mine is 7 years old and even so, I'd be surprised it gets anywhere near your power consumption XD
 
@Oyibo upower -d
it will only tell usage when you're on battery
 
11:54 AM
ah ok :P
 
I saw 118W there some day. That's draining the XL battery pack in 35 minutes. Crazy.
 
my battery is old
so I get 1 minute per 1% easy to work out how long you've got left :P
@gertvdijk also what is "capacity" meant to represent? Maximum power capable of being stored?
 
Next year, hopefully being employed, I can buy good laptop and sell this one. I just need the performance. quadcore i7 Ivy Bridge, 24GB RAM, SSD, HDD (and still room for another SSD). around €1000 for students, limited offer. they must have given money in for this to sell.
@Oyibo no. just plain capacity of power, in Watt-hours or Ah.
 
I've got it in percentage though
 
@Oyibo oh that
  battery
    present:             yes
    rechargeable:        yes
    state:               fully-charged
    energy:              69.2208 Wh
    energy-empty:        0 Wh
    energy-full:         69.2208 Wh
    energy-full-design:  69.2208 Wh
    energy-rate:         0 W
    voltage:             16.704 V
    percentage:          100%
    capacity:            100%
    technology:          lithium-ion
 
11:59 AM
yep
lol check the difference in energy-full on the 7-year old battery
battery
present: yes
rechargeable: yes
state: fully-charged
energy: 20.3648 Wh
energy-empty: 0 Wh
energy-full: 20.3648 Wh
energy-full-design: 88.8 Wh
energy-rate: 0 W
voltage: 12.244 V
percentage: 100%
capacity: 22.9333%
technology: lithium-ion
 
energy-full: 20.3648 Wh
energy-full-design: 88.8 Wh
ouch.
capacity: 22.9333%
the battery I have here has cells for 90Wh, but HP again, they only present 70Wh to the user so that it seems like it's longer lasting...
 
@gertvdijk yeah explains a lot about my battery duration, I'm not that surprised to be honest :P
 
Apart from running Ubuntu with Linux 3.5+ pretty well, my laptop is one big face palm. For a $3000 machine retail, this is something HP should be ashamed of.
 
12:14 PM
@gertvdijk oh wow you really upgraded the base hardware, thats pretty annoying considering on the sites they're one of the more "customizable" OEMs in my opinion
also this is a "newer" version of my laptop so you know what I'm running 12.04 perfectly on: pcmech.com/article/hp-pavilion-dv6000-notebook-review
 
@Oyibo I had no choice. It was a preconfigured one for students.
comes with some nice things too, I wouldn't have bought: $100 backlit keyboard, $50 smartcard reader
 
@gertvdijk ah didn't realise, just looked at the standard link you gave me :P also what screen resolution does it have?
 
@Oyibo Ugh. I hate consumer-grade stuff to work with.
1920x1080 at 15.6". Very good screen. Not the IPS-version though, but very bright and Wide-Viewing-Angle.
 
@gertvdijk /me drools
 
yeah I'm trying to get a moderately priced 1080p screened 15-15.6" laptop with a GPU and CPU to last 4 years
 
12:18 PM
still using my IBM PS/1 keyboard cause I am poor :(
 
@BrunoPereira Liar!
 
@Oyibo It's hard. My study mate had managed to configure some system at Dell with Intel integrated HD Graphics with 1080p via phone. The Dell web configurator doesn't allow you to.
 
@OctavianDamiean :D
 
@gertvdijk yeah their site is already a pain, I was thinking about maybe getting: dell.com/uk/p/inspiron-15r-se-7520/… and upgrading it with options, but once you get to "Customise" no options for screen or gpu or cpu....
 
@Oyibo Get a Samsung Series 9. Massive win.
 
12:25 PM
@OctavianDamiean yeah my brother has one, quite satisfied with it, except he had to unlock lots of samsung stuff in the BIOS because it was stopping him from modifying for example closing lid options: Hibernate/Turn off screen/Turn off laptop but is very good value and has nice performance options, I'd just like a 1080p display though which I haven't seen while browsing their site :(
 
@Oyibo 1.600 x 900, HD+ truth is I can't tell what qualifies a display to be 1080p.
I'm not so much into this entire HD stuff. I need mine for programming purposes.
Oh, it assumes a 16:9 aspect ratio with a resolution of 1920×1080. Got it. :D
So no, the display doesn't qualify as Full HD then.
 
1080p=1800x1280 if I'm not mistaken, so 1.6 times the resolution of 1600x900 too, I'm quite an avid film-fan so I take it quite a bit into account though admittedly for my work doesn't matter :P
anyways I'm off, ttyl
 
I've got my Full HD Samsung TV for movies and stuff. :)
o/
 
1080p is a set of HDTV high-definition video modes characterized by 1080 horizontal lines of vertical resolution and progressive scan, as opposed to interlaced, as is the case with the 1080i display standard. The term usually assumes a widescreen aspect ratio of , implying a resolution of 1920×1080 (2.1 megapixel) often marketed as Full HD. 1080p typically refers to the ability to accept 1080p signals, and displays it with native resolution of at least 1080 lines, as well as the ability to upscale lower-resolution material to 1080p). The HD ready 1080p logo program, by DIGITALEUROPE, ...
@Oyibo implying a resolution of 1920×1080
 
1:03 PM
Colleague of me was wondering why it performs so much better on my Ubuntu installation. (the it is a set of Linux applications running in/with X) Frowning, eyes wide open, scratches head, took it home yesterday for a thought... today he was happily reporting "I've found the performance issue for me. I had debug mode on ever since I started this project."
^-- one reason for why compiling from source is a bad idea.
 
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Q: Ubuntu 12.04, black background for some areas of GTK programs under KDE

goodluckI use ubuntu 12.04, x86_64, kernel 3.2.0-35-generic. I use KDE desktop. However, under KDE the GTK programs have black background in some areas. Sorry, I cannot post image now because of not enough reputations. How to solve the problem?

 
jrg
1:20 PM
@strings :)
 
1:30 PM
so we ended up renaming to unity-tweak-tool after all
 
@jokerdino just as I was getting used to the idea of USH :P
UTT isn't as smooth off the tip of the tongue
@gertvdijk thanks for the correction, should've read up a bit @OctavianDamiean I've got a tendency to stay in my room to watch movies when I should really go downstairs :D
 
unity devs had a problem with "unity settings"
 
@Lucio Sorry, at that time, I took a nap already. "$this->" can't be avoided, as it checks for global functions without it. Since that function doesn't exist globally, but only within the current class, it doesn't find it.
 
@jokerdino unfortunate, because seeing as they've called theirs: System Settings would've been ok I think, although to avoid ambiguous situations I'm guessing its for the best
 
yeah.
 
1:41 PM
@AmithKK Less strict syntax overall. Use. Friggin. Brackets. :P
Aaaand ... I'm out again already.
 
I have a strong feeling that this is the answer. Just needs some upvotes. — gertvdijk 44 secs ago
 
Oli's answer.. of course.
 
@jokerdino the "of course" here is not that obvious for me. I'm relatively new here, yet I tend to hit some sensitive strings here on meta given the votes for stuff I post there.
 
1:57 PM
well Oli's been around AU for so long, most people end up knowing him ;)
 
Oli is a community mod. So, generally when a mod posts, it would be the standard.
 
@gertvdijk coincidentally have you noticed how in your meta, it demonstrates the advantage of having 3 people posting relatively simlar views, Eliah+Oli's answer both complement my answer and are more concise in my opinion :)
 
@Oyibo "it demonstrates the advantage of having 3 people posting relatively simlar views" <-- this is how SE works, right?
 
yeah I'd guess, though I'm not very knowledgeable on the issue I've been on this site for longer than you but not as actively :P
@FEichinger surely you meant: It's SO crowded (terrible pun I know...) :D
 
@Oyibo "Far more succinct than my answer [...]" <-- learned new word again. :)
 
2:13 PM
@ ALL poeple here :) Is there somebody who knows well about the Ubuntu package system , for instance deb files etc?
 
@gertvdijk glad I can be of use, another practical word I quite like ;)
@humanityANDpeace I'm not an expert on the matter but for basic (very basic) things I might be able to help :P
 
@Oyibo Thank you for the offer. I have this question here I would be very glad if somebody had some information for me there : see askubuntu.com/questions/239561/…
 
wow, that's quite an essay.
apart from the hash, there is also the gpu signing thingie
 
@humanityANDpeace you get my upvote for the effort in the question background research, and its a very interesting question even so, never really thought about it
 
@jokerdino thanks for reading the question. I am glad to hear you have some informations. Where is the gpg thingie. Do you know that?
@Oyibo thank you for the vote. Honest, It's just been today I figuered that Md5 has been broken, worse even sha-1 seems broken.... so I wanted to know if this has been considered in the ubuntu package system
(after all) my sys security relies on this system not being tricked :)
 
2:20 PM
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A: Why are the proposed BADSIG (on apt-get update) fixes secure?

jokerdinoRelevant basic concepts about the idea behind GPG signature and how it ensures a more secure signed repository: What are the GPG signatures? In my opinion, the proposed fixes aren't secure. A more secure solution would be to blow out everything in /var/lib/apt/lists/ as suggested in this answ...

 
@humanityANDpeace being a relatively new user to Ubuntu (about a year) I wouldn't be able to tell you as I haven't thought of/encountered this issue myself. But I'd be surprised if noone had noticed a potential flaw like this.
 
@humanity, md5 is only to check if the package has been correctly transferred.
 
@jokerdino fortunately you seem to be an expert already on the matter ;)
 
appears
 
@AmithKK o/
 
2:23 PM
@Oyibo not really :)
 
@jokerdino Yes I assume as much. I think it's mostly for *.deb files (packages) outside of the repository. For those deb files that come from the reps there must be (for security reasons) some kind of other check (most likely on the whole deb file) which would then render the DEBIAN/md5sums not very much necessary anymore
 
@Oyibo Hey
 
It mostly revolves around trusting the developers.
@humanity, if you check that answer, it ought to make sense.
i lost touch with the subject matter, so i need to refresh myself
 
@jokerdino not an expert maybe, but at least well-researched on the subject-matter at hand ;)
 
@jokerdino answer? do you mean comment? - or did I miss an answer on the question
 
2:35 PM
@humanityANDpeace i meant this askubuntu.com/questions/183461/…
 
It surely is a "trusting" thing. And to be able to trust I would like to verify if the hashes used in deploying packages to the users is done at least with sha-256 (so a hash I have not heard coalition attacks about yet)
@jokerdino Oh yes (how could Ive been such a blind beetle?) I did not see the answer you posted above...
 
yeah, i hope it is somewhat helpful
 
^-- I'm not the only one
 
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Q: Create a CentOS Guest img over Ubuntu

rkmaxI want to create a basic CentOS 5.8 system from scratch. for now i build my own img for Ubuntu Guest (debootstrap), my host is a Ubuntu 12.04.1LTS but I don't know how to make for a CentOS, is possible build CentOS from Ubuntu?

 
3:43 PM
Hey @iSeth
 
Sup @AmithKK?
I was AFK there for a min
 
@iSeth np
 
3:58 PM
So, what cool stuff's happening?
I heard you were looking for a new name for mechanig
 
we got done with all the renaming
 
oh?
 
Decided it was time for a nice answer to a less than average question.
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A: Laptop hdd encrypted with LVM full disk encryption

gertvdijk full disk encrypted my laptop [...] swap partition [...] It's totally up to you where you put swap partitions. Some typical set ups: dm-crypt on raw partition and /boot as small plain parition, then on top of the large crypto 'device' as LVM Physical Volume: -> LVM Volume Group (one PV as...

 
Looks good @gertvdijk... but I'm out of votes :(
 
@iSeth WAT
 
4:04 PM
ikr :)
 
@EliahKagan the reason that the kernel service do not have to be all power full, is they do not run as root user. since its not required due to the kernel interface
 
its like "already?"
BBL
 
who really answered the question here
 
Better nvidia drivers coming soon :P
 
they said that last year
until they open source it, they will never be better.. IMO
:)
 
4:33 PM
@strings what?
@strings ah, regarding the title of my q?
 
BBT
Good Night
 
@AmithKK source?
ooh you're leaving...
 
@gertvdijk I'm trying to figure out how my answer was wrong :P
 
@strings it's not wrong. I needed a view/answer on why this utterly broken behaviour existed in Ubuntu or what I was doing wrong. At the time i posted the question I was looking in the direction of preventing the 60+ instances of running apt-checkers. It turns out, this is more apt-checker's own failure, IMO.
I even upvoted it.
 
no worries.
I thought at first it might be a parent process gone wild. I would actually submit this as a bug
 
4:45 PM
Not just literally answering the question and prevent focussing on the direction the OP is suggesting is what make answers better imo.
 
since it really a race condition with apt-check, could effect others.
 
@strings yup. bug.
 
maybe my answer should have been a comment, hence the problem
 
But the Q&A is useful anyway I think. It helps people bumping into it - OOM killer, the nice levels, your answer on parent processes too. their situation might be different. I'm running Icinga/Nagios as well as Byobu. Maybe others are using desktop tools running into it and want to find out what applet has caused it. I think your answer is more of an answer rather than a comment.
 
@gertvdijk +1
 
4:52 PM
right, my answer though technically was right. just limited by information. :)
 
@strings yeah, sort of. although, if you would have actually looked into apt-checker's 100 lines of code, you could have drawn a conclusion that would have made me edit your answer rather than posting another one. Conclusion in a sense that: "no sibling process check, will run forever in the background, etc." would have been enough to make it the same answer basically.
 
Hi, I just installed this "Chat for Google" extension for Chromium chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/… Is there any way to start this extension directly without opening Chromium?
 
@DanialJose Not sure, but I think there is
 
Did you installed this?
 
@DanialJose No I haven't.
Make sure that "Continue Running Background Apps" is checked
 
5:00 PM
@daniel, go to extensions page and right click over it
 
in Chrome's settings
 
There is a way to create a desktop shortcut or some sort
 
@iSeth +1. but I hate its behaviour. also GMail popups if all browser windows are closed, for example.
 
@gertvdijk yeah, as you can see I don't have it checked :P
 
No, it is not an ordinary extension
 
5:02 PM
Go right from new tab page.
 
ah, yeah
open new tab
right click on app and select "Make Shortcut"
 
This guy knows everything ^^
 
O_o
 
it was a compliment :P
 
I know ;) Thank you.
 
5:04 PM
I know that things
 
@DanialJose It doesn't do what you want?
 
@gertvdijk I think the hardcoded nice level is the biggest race condition. it could get around the parent process issues by using a pid file aswell.
 
Here is the detailed answer for how to create Chromium web app short cuts in Ubuntu 12.10, askubuntu.com/questions/239187/… but this method is not working with this extension.
 
Yeah, I don't think that would work for them all
 
5:23 PM
@strings yeah, but apt-check really runs as unprivileged users. putting a pid file in /tmp comes with security issues. It must be setuid/setgid or something to work around on that... sigh.
Networking isn't that hard people...
Virtual hosting is done at HTTP level. You're looking at IP/TCP-level using iftop and netstat. What web server are you using? E.g. Apache, Lighttpd, ... — gertvdijk 1 min ago
 
that is the only way around this though, possibly fixing the niceness will help. but...
 
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Q: We're rolling out a new "Quick Start" guide to help new users learn the basics

JaydlesHere's the first one, on Ask Different. We've been working hard on ways to help improve the experience of new users, and one of the best ways to do that is to help teach them the basics about how our sites work before they run afoul of them. This will improve their odds of having a good first e...

check that out
 
Where I can ask doubts about Chromium/Chrome browser?
 
@DanialJose I'd ask on Super User
 
5:48 PM
@iSeth oooooooh that's SWEEET. Direct link: apple.stackexchange.com/about
 
yeah that's what I thought
wonder when they'll get to us?
 
Like "Welcome to Ask Ubuntu. Please don't put thanks as answers. Learn the basics here first: apple.stackexchange.com/about "
 
yeah that would help a little alright
but in the long run I think we need our own
 
Announcing U-T-T
That's about time I get to bed. ;)
 

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