Game Development

Chris McFarland

12:01 AM

classic

TheMuffinCoder

wait did it get greenlit for Jon?

arda

@TheMuffinCoder nah

that's the ios version

Jon

@dh what

That button doesn't go to next level

TheMuffinCoder

Ever since I got a plugin that limits my open tabs to 5, I been more conscience on only opening tabs I actually need/will look at

Jon

@DH. Tell me how to reproduce

Chris McFarland

12:14 AM

@TheMuffinCoder That sounds annoying

TheMuffinCoder

lol nah their default setting was annoying where if you opened more than 5 tabs, your oldest tab would get closed

now I set to just stop me from opening more than 5, so I can pick which to close

(Please u can change the # to what ever u want)

Jon

@DH. Tell me damn you

arda

nuff reposts. 1) read the disclaimer of Early access and the one on download 2) read the description, has some warnings 3) Keep this in mind 4) Linky: gamejolt.com/games/minertyper/183931

Chris McFarland

No Man's Sky
if you're part of the dev team
and you're applying for another gamedev job elsewhere in the future
do you say you worked for the company that lied to the public

@arda I mined a bit :D

arda

12:30 AM

you just say that sean lied and said that you worked there and act like you never worked there

Chris McFarland

Got tired of typing though lol

arda

@ChrisMcFarland haha mission completed

Chris McFarland

what a cheater

arda

OH DAMMIT I FORGOT THE DEBUG COMMAND IN THE GAME

@ChrisMcFarland do not write ddebbugg

Slereah

Isn't lying to the public common practice in the game industry

That might give you a leg up

arda

12:34 AM

well save files aren't encrypted (and I have no plans to make them so - the game is free and users can ruin it for themselves if they want), but I'd rather remove the debug command

DH.

@Jon Stage 1-15, fail the level, click to retry

@Jon And about the first bug, it's minimal, I only see the number increasing while the fade out is being executed

Jon

Fuck sakes

Almo

this is the part of game dev i hate most

it's ready! (bug) ok now it's ready (bug) ok got it now (bug) fuck ok fixed ready now (bug) GOD DAMN IT

Chris McFarland

"Jon Gallant is proud to release GORB Service Pack 1"

arda

@ChrisMcFarland GORB Anniversary Update

don't have a touchscreen? Cortana will help you remove the orange box with voice

Slereah

12:50 AM

Would you like to update to GORB 10

arda

@Slereah pick one: yes yes

Chris McFarland

"GORB has finished downloading an update. Your game will restart in 15 seconds. Any unsaved progress will be lost."

arda

You can now download new levels from GORB Store

Slereah

One thing my iphone does is "since you don't want to update the OS, would you like the update to launch tonight"

While you are asleep and vulnerable

Chris McFarland

man, that iOS loading screen, updating by bedside at night is painful

full bright white screen, max brightness

for like 5 minutes

Slereah

12:53 AM

Thinking about it, my z-sorting for tiles recalculates it every turn

Which sounds bad

arda

SGDQ gets interrupted by Windows 10

►

Slereah

I don't think the tiles are gonna change position

arda

I love windows 10 but the kinda auto upgrades were annoying for some

Chris McFarland

yeah it's dumb

Slereah

>love windows 10

BURN THE WITCH

Chris McFarland

12:54 AM

Yay, Nintendo has sent me my Wii U promo codes to distribute

arda

AAAand ludum dare 36 is over

Slereah

Let's make a maze and see how well the pathfinding does

Ahah

The pathfinding only works on visible tiles, so it was fast BUT he keeps bumping into walls

Jon

1:10 AM

@DH. Thanks

Slereah

Poor thing has no idea how to navigate the maze

DH.

Np

Chris McFarland

@Slereah give him a helmet

Slereah

Finally got there

Jon

Published a fix

Slereah

1:11 AM

It tried to go all the way around the maze just in case there was an opening

Jon

@Almo I send you the code tomorrow

Almo

ok no problem

Jon

That bug could have been bad

@DH. Let me know if you find anything else

DH.

Sure

Oh and just sent you the store page translation on your email listed on play store

See if came

Jon

Swwwwweeeeeet

Got it thanks man

<3

Almo

2:52 AM

@Jon haha the gorb page apple badge redirects to picross still

user92578

6:48 AM

@Almo umm, yes?

user92578

8:38 AM

user92578

Fighting with the annoying small offset between the arm and the blade

arda

nooooice

Kevin van der Velden

@Tyyppi_77 I keep expecting it to speed up on the downswing

user92578

lol I'll speed to whole thing up once I figure out the issue, as it's a lot easier to spot when the blade moves slowly

user92578

Once it moves fast enough you won't probably be looking for the speed up

Kevin van der Velden

8:46 AM

Heh true

user92578

so I think I need to somehow adjust for something

user92578

I just need to figure out what I need to take into account that currently I'm not

Kevin van der Velden

Can you remove the iceblock to see if it's just moving the entire thing one pixel?

user92578

The arm part seems to be moving ~0.5 screen pixels vertically and horizontally

user92578

So that's 0.5 / 4 = 0.125 world-space pixels

Kevin van der Velden

8:51 AM

Maybe it keeps rounding it slightly differently due to floating point imprecision?

user92578

Yeah, probably

user92578

However the end result seems to very from 0 to 2 world-space pixels, so 0 to 8 screen pixels

user92578

const float rotationRadians = GDegreesToRadians(m_Sprite->GetRotation());
const TVector2 circlePosition = TVector2(cosf(rotationRadians), sinf(rotationRadians));

m_EntityBlade->SetPosition(m_Position + (circlePosition * m_SpinnerArmRadius) - TVector2(32.0f, 32.0f));

user92578

That's my current code. m_Sprite->GetRotation() returns the rotation of the arm

Kevin van der Velden

What's TVector2? Floating point or fixed?

user92578

9:01 AM

two floats

Kevin van der Velden

Hmmmmmmmmm

I 'unno then

Try just writing the coordinates to the console every frame?

Jon

9:15 AM

Make it draw dots every few ms

At the center.

See if it draws a circle

DH.

10:39 AM

Got 150 stars on GORB yesterday, no more bugs found

Chris McFarland

nice

DH.

And don't worry Chris, still working at your translation, 100 strings so far :P

Kevin van der Velden

Oh yeah, I should do the translation thing. Just, sooo many things to do |_|

arda

And don't worry Chris, still working at your translation, 700 strings so far :P

I should leave things aside and start working on that again actually

Kevin van der Velden

I also want to write an article for the procjam zine probably

Chris McFarland

10:50 AM

It's all good
Life has lots of things to offer
I'm not your boss, cracking the whip to make you work on it 8 hours a day lol

Kevin van der Velden

I should stop playing with the nail I broke so I don't break it further

That sounds like it would be a good thing to do

Chris McFarland

Maybe

Kevin van der Velden

(It's a tear that goes at like a 45 degree angle so I really don't want it to spread)

Chris McFarland

lol

Now you've got me thinking of that fight in God of War (2 or 3?) where you're fighting atop that huge giant
and you rip his thumbnail off
absolutely gross lol

Chris McFarland

12:36 PM

^ Creature definitions

basic creature types will have some basic definitions of what to have
but then their elite and boss variations, will be able to tick more bools and add more spells and weapons and stuff I think!

arda

Nice

Chris McFarland

I will probably duplicate the definition class to cater for both "classes" and "races"
cuz you could have a squishy Fire Mage as a class
but if its race was a Golem, it might be quite tanky
or if it was a Bird race, it would have wings
though if you had a Golem Bird, it'd be both. lol

Leggy7

1:11 PM

oh chris, you could be the man

if I have a font file loaded in unity have you any experience or knowledge about adding character to that file?

Almo

1:23 PM

@Tyyppi_77 just saw a cool Finnish word and thought of you. Nothing important. :)

some Folk

1:44 PM

seksikäs

user92578

@Almo Those "connected" words are awesime

Almo

2:07 PM

:)

Alexandre Vaillancourt

2:50 PM

Lots of questions this morning..!

user92578

Bad questions

DH.

Yeah, mostly beginner questions where they don't show that they have tried something

user92578

"Please tell me how to make my game"

Almo

Program it. Make some art. Make some sound. Show the art, play the sound. Set these up so they require the player to do something specific.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

This is newbish..

0

Q: Game optimization and keyboard events

I've been putting some (a lot) of thought about how to read keyboard input and especially, when. Looping through all the keycodes on the keyboard and updating the statuses seems like a lot of waste when there are only few keys pressed at one time. I started to think that if the game gives a pla...

You don't have issues with you keycode handling. Carry on.

user92578

3:09 PM

Yeah

Alexandre Vaillancourt

3:28 PM

I'm tiered of reviewing this guy's not-thorough-enough edits...

tired*

user4704

Reject them

user4704

Links?

Alexandre Vaillancourt

gamedev.stackexchange.com/posts/129183/revisions

I have to "improve" them..

user4704

I think improving counts as accepting, if you really think they are too trivial you should reject first.

user4704

I don't think that one is bad though.

user4704

3:40 PM

An edit doesn't have to fix everything it should just make it substantially better.

user4704

Changing a tag or a word or two is usually insufficient.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Well they're not bad, it's just that, while you're at it, why not make the title as an actual question, make sure the tags are appropriate, remove the polite trivialities, etc.

user4704

shrug

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Yes, improving counts as accepting.

Yup :P

user4704

Some people don't consider that so important.

user4704

3:45 PM

Question titles don't have to be in the form of a question after all.

user4704

And some people think removing the trivialities like "thanks" and whatnot artificially sterilizes and dehumanizes the whole interaction.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Hmm, well I don't remember where I read they should be avoided...

Kevin van der Velden

I'll reject an edit that just does that, but if there are other things to improve I'd remove it as wel

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Yeah; I don't just remove the 'thanks' or change the title to a question.. if there is something else to improve, I'll focus on that and improve the rest..

There: gamedev.stackexchange.com/help/behavior

So maybe I should not remove the 'Thanks' then.. :)

PearsonArtPhoto

4:00 PM

@Pip I updated my A* implementation, found at github.com/kd7uiy/AStar

Pip

noice

PearsonArtPhoto

It doesn't have all of the speed improvements that I would like to include, but it's far better than what I had.

Pip

your README is outdated

PearsonArtPhoto

Doesn't surprise me...

I'll work on that.

Wait, I forgot to include Tuple.cs too... Sigh.

Pip

lol

PearsonArtPhoto

4:10 PM

That's what I get for not testing in the exact configuration I submitted the code.

Anyways, just submitted something that should be a bit better.

Pip

cool

PearsonArtPhoto

The nice thing, at least I think, about my library is it is very flexible, allowing any arbitrary node to be used.

I actually use it for two things, for finding the pathway between cities, and between individual tiles.

The cities will work in the event of two land cities not on the same continent, for instance.

Now, if I can just get #1033 pulled in to Project Porcupine...

DH.

5:10 PM

Oh fuck now that I saw, I had 2800 emails from our CI because 3 jobs were still running while they should be excluded

Alexandre Vaillancourt

With 2800 emails, I'd feel popular... or spammed a lot.. :P

DH.

Probably the later since all 2800 emails are from the same CI bot

Alexandre Vaillancourt

CI?

Jon

Honeybunch

Continuous Integration. Travis CI, Circle CI?

DH.

5:16 PM

^Yup, that

We use Hudson

Honeybunch

how is it? I've only used Travis

DH.

Well Hudson by itself is quite decent, but rather inconsistent on some jobs

We have some unknown errors sometimes on some tasks, and all we have to do is run again and error disappears

Honeybunch

Ah yes, my favorite sort of problem

a race condition for the modern age

DH.

Well, Hudson is aimed towards Java, can't complain more than that :P

Honeybunch

yeah it looks like a companion to Jenkins?

Jon

5:22 PM

Leroy

DH.

Jenkins is like the son of Hudson that became cool since it's more recent

Jon

MmmmmmmmJenkinssss

Jon

5:41 PM

I was brigaded or something

All of a sudden picross Touch on steam has a ton of exactly the same review comment

PearsonArtPhoto

@Jon It seems to me every time I see this that it should bounce a bit more...

Jon

One guy suggests a 8 paid app as alternative. I'm wondering if this is from the other picross dev

Pip

Hmm

Jon

Bouncyness is upgradeable

Pip

How the frick do I install certificates through the cli

Jon

5:43 PM

Wut u mean

I'm replying to all haters with bullshit marketing words

Thank you for your interest in Picross Touch. Picross Touch provides high quality puzzles at an unbeatable price, free. We are glad you tried our free game. Please play again soon.

DH.

Feels kinda robotic

Jon

Joking.

DH.

Ah for a moment thought you were serious

Almo

5:58 PM

sounds an appropriate repsponse, actually

Jon

6:37 PM

it gets annoying to read the same annoying comment over and over

Makes me want to ditch support completely

Don't like it eh? well fuck it its done. fuck you all

I was planning workshop support

larger grids -- user levels with ratings

But I literally made about 500$ off this game in 3 years

So why bother?

Then to top it all off people are shitting on me for giving it out for free

Almo

people suck

Jon

6:54 PM

@Almo I sent you latest.

I am almost certain some picross group brigadded my comments

It was all decent productive comments, then BLAM I got like 10 negative in a row

Almo

:(

dorks

Sie

God this medication sucks. The only way I got any sleep today was with a Tylenol PM.

Almo

one of our lead programmers is the bassist for this band. they sound good if you like metal! :)

Slender - The Moment [OFFICIAL VIDEO]

►

Jon

that isn't metal

Alexandre Vaillancourt

The closest metal this sounds like is "heavy metal"...

Jon

7:08 PM

Slipknot - Wait And Bleed [OFFICIAL VIDEO]

►

would suck to be in that band -- there are like 71 members

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Well you can easily take a day off.. "Hey Gerry, I can't go to the show tonight, here, take the mask, you'll replace me!"

Jon

you only get a 10% cut of profits

Almo

@Jon ok hard rock or wahtever you want to call it, I know more about the differences between various types of techno and ambient music. :)

still I think it sounds quite good for people who have other jobs.

Jon

its fine

There are so many people making music now, its just not really relevant

Similarly to gamedev

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Most musician in bands around here that I know off have day jobs :P

Almo

7:14 PM

doesn't need to be relevant to be good :)

Jon

Most musicians I know around here all think they are going to make it big

Almo

many of the techno dudes I listen to must have audiences numbered in the thousands (or even less)

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Well as they say.. go big or go home :P

Jon

I went to my friends house once, and he had these two guys over that made music -- so I asked about it since I was looking for music for GORB at the time.

Almo

GORB!

Jon

7:17 PM

Go to the computer room, and put on soundcloud --- oh man how awkward it became

Almo

they sucked?

Jon

These two guys start rapping along with their song -- it was gangster rap

Almo

hahahah

GORB with gangsta rap

Jon

And they kept pointing to each other and I didn't know what to do

I pretended to like it

But they were literally performing for me.. it was super weird

Almo

hahah :)

Jon

7:19 PM

another thing I am not a huge fan of is when shitty guitar players pull out guitars at parties

Almo

hahah yeah

Jon

So i went to this french girl's house -- and she had a french person party

literally 5 guys with guitars all playing at the same time

Almo

I'm very happy with the comments I've gotten on the one track I finished.

Jon

singing french music at the top of their lungs

Almo

haha

Jon

7:20 PM

so drop your track

btw, did you see that parallax i did?

the gif above

Almo

oh shit that looks awesome dude

Jon

doesn't really do it justice

i optimized the fuck out of the mini-game

Almo

:)

Jon

there are only 60 stars and 60 platforms

max at all times

and 10 signs

Almo

this is ambient, no beats or anything. So honestly I don't expect that many people to like this. :)

soundcloud.com/aeris-technica

headphone music for sure

most of it's in the ambience

and stereo effects

Jon

7:23 PM

its not very harmonic

it has a couple of keys that are eery

Charles Bernstein - A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984) Main theme

►

There is a video of him talking about creating the music for this movie, it is pretty interesting.. cant find it

but anyways it kinda reminded me of this

Almo

funny thing, when it ends, that's just the reverb units clearing out. I played the whole thing through to figure out what would happen next, and I said to myself, "Oh shit. I think it's already finished."

Alexandre Vaillancourt

8:50 PM

It's quiet... too quiet...

Chris McFarland

I'm here now

Jon

HEY ALL YOU GORBAMANIACS!

Chris McFarland

Praise the leader!

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Hello!

Jon

What is going on

sn0k3

9:00 PM

Hello

Chris McFarland

9:13 PM

nintendo.com/games/detail/tallowmere-wii-u

itshappening.gif

Almo

awesome

Jon

Awwww yeeeeeeeah

Sie

9:42 PM

I'm in a bit of a rut. I'm at the point where most core features are fleshed out enough for me to continue level designs but turns out it's a much harder task than I thought. I have some done but even those were a bit challenging. I don't really have the money to take someone else on board and nobody trusts or likes rev-share so what do I do now?

Jon

Put it on the back burner

Level design is hard.

Sie

Well then what should I work on now?

Chris McFarland

Aye, level design is hard
I'm not sure I've heard of any rev-share success stories, apart from siblings that are in it together, or close friends

Jon

You need to try to utilize mechanics in clever ways

Sie

So you're saying I should get my mom to adopt someone to help me finish my game?

Chris McFarland

9:47 PM

Sure

ez

Like anything in life, keep chipping at it yourself, take a break, or just chalk it up as a learning experience

Game developement is hard

Jon

Like a rock

Sie

Tell me about it.

Chris McFarland

Rocks have it easy though

Sie

I'm really tempted to start a new project but I've spent almost a half a year on this project alone.

Chris McFarland

Older than we are
Sitting around doing nothing all day

@Sie Choice is yours. Would you be willing to spend another 6 months on it doing level design and whatever else is needed?

Almo

9:51 PM

don't fall prey to the sunk-cost fallacy

Sie

@ChrisMcFarland Ya. The thing of it is though it's not really the game development part that is the hardest to me. This is going to sound super cheesy but depression has been the biggest obstacle. I'm on this medication that helps out a lot but one of the side effects that's been impacting me is insomnia. It sucks.

Almo

the trick then is to find a gamedev project that fits your motivation profile

this is why my projects are just gameplay things without social features or online stuff.

Jon

All I know is. It's normal to ditch a project that isn't working.

Sie

Define working.

Chris McFarland

Ah yikes
Yeah like, programming is one thing - creating systems, implementing the UI, handling user input, etc
And then the other side of gamedev is doing the art, the story, the game design, level design -- the stuff that doesn't necessarily happen by typing a few lines
Stuff that is not reusable, because it's content that the player might only experience once

If you're burned out atm, just take a break too

heck, I took a month-long break from Tallowmere a couple times

Sie

9:55 PM

I just did. I tried working on it and got some stuff done but now I'm back and don't feel like doing much of anything.

Chris McFarland

take a break then

another one lol

I've abandoned many a prototype - it's okay

Jon

I took a break on Gorb

Like 6 months

Level design kills you

I got back to it and pumped out a ton more levels then polished

Sie

@ChrisMcFarland It's just hard even thinking that is an option lol. I really thought this project was going to be my first real game.

Jon

My first game was put aside

Chris McFarland

@Sie Is your thing fun?

Cuz that was my driving force

Sie

9:59 PM

I'd say so.

Chris McFarland

Take a break then
Close this chat
Go watch a movie
Go for a walk
Play some other games
Go visit some friends
Put this on hold while you reinvigorate yourself imo

Sie

It's a puzzle game. I'd say the biggest issue with developing a puzzle game is that level design must be a strong or else the whole thing falls apart.

@ChrisMcFarland Ok.

Chris McFarland

That's what I do anyway hah

Good luck

Jon

That is why I asked you what other plans you had aside from a bridge and a door

Your mechanic is cool and new. But what can it do

Chris McFarland

@Jon That's a long break :D

Jon

10:08 PM

I prototyped a lot of shit

I felt it was my best shot

I'm gonna finish space taxi too just because

One of my childhood favourite games

Chris McFarland

nice

Jon

Free Internet Points

10:39 PM

0

Q: How can i remove the margins in Window_Base?

So i am remaking Window_Status for my game where i have the character battler displayed in the background. bellow is the portion of the script which adds the battler image bitmap = RPG::Cache.battler(@actor.battler_name+"_menu", @actor.battler_hue) cw = bitmap.width ch = bitmap.height src_rect =...

ruby rpg-maker-xp

Jon

10:49 PM

Galacticab

@almo how long before the ios version can be published?

Almo

11:17 PM

Fuck boss battles.

Probably Thursday for submission then a few days for approval

Chris McFarland

boss battles are fun
gives the developer an excuse to code something new

Almo

They interrupt gameplay I'm giving up on gun Gungeon because I'm fucking tired of the boss battles

I get to play nice procedural levels only to have to fight a boss again and lose

Chris McFarland

I gave up on Gungeon cuz I'm bad at dodging bullets
I also dislike the pause the game adds before enemies die
like the enemies get hit, they stop for a moment, and *then* they fall over, it feels off

@Almo If the bosses were just normal mobs somewhere in the level, would that make it feel better?

kinda thinking Diablo2-esque

ugh I can't type this morning, brain is not awake enough, typos out the wazoo

Almo

11:33 PM

@ChrisMcFarland hahah

what annoys me is bosses that require some tricky action... THREE TIMES (or more holy shit) to beat. It's like, I proved I can do it. Why do I have to do it three times. It becomes a stamina issue, can you not fuck up doing the same thing over and over.

@jon 1-8 works with one click now

i'll have Trena try it again

Chris McFarland

yeah, bosses that are too hard kind of ruin it in a permadeath game

I've had it happen to me many a time

Diablo 3, man

fighting bosses that do insane amount of AOE and "dont stand in the fire" spells

Path of Exile too

Almo

hehe :)

Sie

I might just take another break. I've been meaning to start prototyping a game like Binding of Isaac but in 3D.

Chris McFarland

as much as I like procedural generation, I dislike the turn-based style of Rogue, because you can't move out of harm's way aptly enough, you just attack or use a spell and hope you come out victorious

Sie

11:48 PM

I like the way Binding of Isaac does things. Only thing is Rebirth is significantly easier than the old game.

Chris McFarland

Yup it's fun

Jon

Can you crash the level select @Almo

Transcript for