Game Development

Although... doesn't the video has that very small letter saying that bs line like "This is alpha content, the finished product may or may not have all the bla bla bla"

user4704

It won't happen. I don't think there is anywhere near as solid a case as the internet anger machine things.

Jon

Pretty sure the NMS one does not

user4704

I don't think you'd find a lawyer willing to take on Sony for that for what any of those people will be able to afford.

user4704

And I doubt the FTC would step in of their own volition, the total amount of money involved here is pretty much peanuts for them.

Slereah

5:31 PM

Although

I guess I will have to tinker with the z-sorting once more in the near future

DH.

Why?

Slereah

When I have to do the see-through-wall-when-your-character-is-behind

DH.

You say, make the wall transparent?

Slereah

Yeah, that kind of thing

Otherwise combat behind tall walls might get a bit frustrating

Jon

Yep that is annoying to deal with. Main issue with iso engines

Slereah

5:34 PM

Is there a tried and true method for it?

Jon

Restricting terrain height change to 1 unit per level

Allowing the screen to rotate

(3d implementation)

Or get clever with level design not allowing passage behind walls.

Personally I am not a fan of that projection. It is hard to pull off properly

Slereah

That it is

Jon

You need proper contrast on the sides of each tile otherwise it gets hard to distinguish what it what

Slereah

But I wasn't sure what other method to use

Overhead view is kind of ugly

And I didn't want to go 3D

And sidescrolling is a bit weird for an RPG

DH.

Just don't make one tile corridors and you're safe, because those are ugliest on iso

Slereah

5:40 PM

Even worse when they're not diagonal

Jon

Another option is to cut the projection so you cannot go behind

Slereah

Vertical iso walls are quite ugly

Jon

Yep

Zelda style

Basically faked projection

Slereah

Hm, I wonder if the current system could handle a sprite arbitrarily big

Let's see what a big dragon looks like

DH.

Dealing with big stuff on iso is the worst

Slereah

5:44 PM

I'll bet

Big dragon sprite does have some clipping issues but nothing too terrible

It's not too surprising considering the size of its collision box vs bounding box

I guess I could give it a big collision box, but I'm scared to know what a collision box much larger than a tile would do :p

But oh well

Back to chickens for now

I want to see chickens fleeing from wolves

Pip

Omfg someone has too much time

Slereah

Well chickens seem like a good sprite to test AI

Not a lot of actions to implement, no attacks and you don't expect them to act too smartly

Basically like 4 or 5 different behaviours to implement

Jon

@Pip who?

Pip

Disney Characters Sing "All Star" by Smash Mouth

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Jon

6:00 PM

There is a really bad game with a loop of "so much to do so much to see" it loops over and over and there is like nothing to do or see in the game

Slereah

4chans - All Chan (All Star Parody)

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I do miss the era when a lot of games had songs

For some reason that was mostly 90's adventure games

Freddy Pharkas - Frontier Pharmacist - Intro - HQ Enhanced

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Though in the recent ones I do like Ted E. Bear's Mafia Free Playland and Casino

Sam & Max - Just You And Me (And Ted E. Bear)

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Jon

6:26 PM

ladedadedoo

Slereah

Surely GORB would be improved if you sung a little song over it

Jon

Welcome.... To GORB......... You can do anything..... at GORB.

zombo.com

Slereah

The impossible is unknown at GORB!

Almo

hahaha

Jon

he missed a huge opportunity by not making it randomized and looped infinitely

Almo

6:30 PM

^

Slereah

Eric Idle - Thats Death (Discworld 2) HQ

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Almo

but it does ask you to sign up for the NewZLetter.

Slereah

So many great songs

Hm, what non-adventure game had a song in the 90's

I... think there was a DOOM song?

It wasn't in the game, though

Not a lot of FPSs where characters break into songs

DH.

By song you mean with vocals?

Slereah

Yes

after the 90's there's of course the Portals and Dragon Age

not much else I can think of, though

DH.

6:40 PM

Bastion

Slereah

Never finished it

NightFury

@Jon there?

Slereah

I don't know why but I have a really hard time playing old school platformers again

Jon

yeah

NightFury

I need your guidance on that issue please

I just redownloaded standard assets again, still same issue

I print the logs in that script - that was causing problem. It is disabling all children

I need mobile rigs in order to move player with joystick

or there can be some alternate for that?

I am not getting any input for axis without mobile rig

or am I wrong :S

Jon

6:46 PM

what issue sorry I look at a lot of issues

user92578

Hows greenlight going jon?

Jon

bad :)

NightFury

@Jon MobileRig Script is causing to disable all child elements

I am currently unable to get any axis input movement from joystick. and I think it is because mobile rig script is not attached

Am I right on last point?

user92578

@Jon aww, sorry to hear that

Jon

its a mobile game, so i expected it

@NightFury I am still not sure what you are talking about?

Sorry man, I am over working myself lately

NightFury

6:57 PM

It's ok.. Remember you said me to check scripts for ExecuteInEditMode

Jon

ahhh yeahh

NightFury

so I am talking about that stuff

Jon

OK so you removed that attribute and it worked?

NightFury

yup all children are fine without it now

but now I cant get any value for axis.. CrossPlatformInputManager.GetAxis ("Vertical"); returns 0 always

same goes for horizontal

I think that was controlled by mobile rig..

or I am wrong.. I am not sure

I cant test lol

Almo

i had never heard of ytmnd.com till just now

idouflxfn.ytmnd.com

Slereah

7:01 PM

Whaaaat

Almo

apparently it's going to be shutdown soon, so better get it while it's (not) hot

Jon

@Almo did you get an email?

Slereah

@Almo : A quick recap then

We Didn't Start This Website (YTMND)

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Almo

yeah got it jon

Jon

ok that fixes all bugs hopefully

Almo

7:02 PM

ok

Jon

try that 1-8 again for me when you get a chance

Almo

sure

Jon

I also shuffled the buttons around

Show your wife ;)

Almo

haha ok will do

man, techno in 5/4 time feels so weird

Slereah

Another fair sample of YTMND :

What is Love Gif Collection 1

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Jon

7:07 PM

- Adjusted levels 1-8, 1-11 and 3-1
- Fixed crashing issue when you decide to do crazy things on level select
- Shuffled buttons around in game screen
- Fixed wording of some sentences

@NightFury so what is the issue exactly? Your input is not working? What kind of controller are you using (physical controller)

@NightFury Also, have you tried GORB?

Almo

GORB!!

Jon

I showed a coder at work and he was pretty impressed

Almo

as he well should be

Jon

We really need to get the ios out

so I can start marketing the shit out of it

atm its like -- oh yeah ios is coming out soooon.

2/3 of the market goes, well fuck tell me when its ready then

Also need to get that demo out man -- people need to play it to want it

Then we need to setup a rate for you

Almo

we can discuss the contract in email

Jon

7:15 PM

let me know what you want

i'm getting a sale an hour right now

the good news is -- its picking up

Almo

sweet

Jon

i'm pushing it hard though

lol

every single conversation I have with anyone

Almo

pending a test and getting the contract worked out, I have Thursday off and can work on getting it actually published then

DH.

Jon, just to know how is the conversion rate, how much in USD is the price?

Jon

2 shmackers

i think the value is great at 2$

@Almo FYI that build has the #if ios precompiler instructions

Almo

7:20 PM

ok

Jon

so just have to build it, easy peasy

Almo

to publish I gotta get screenshots and shit together

Jon

if you wanted to add a splash

Almo

i'll probably add the maniac games presents a jgallant production thing I did in Picross, if that's ok

Jon

yep

Almo

7:21 PM

ok

we're kind of lucky our logos look good together :)

Jon

Yeah man

plus I love maniac mansion

Almo

I don't even like red

Jon

so i immediately like your name

Almo

the red was Trena's idea, I liked it

I was originally going to use blue in the logo

Jon

I like orange

crspumpparts.ca

They kept the logo I made for them, and built that shit around the color

This was on a dark brown

chjeck wayback

NightFury

7:34 PM

@Jon At the moment, I cant move my character from joystick. I have checked that axis value is zero despite of joystick movement. A week before this issue, everything was working fine. My character is a 3d third person character I downloaded from asset store.

I dont know about GORB

heard it for first time

William Mariager

... My first lecture next monday is 10:15 am to 6:15 pm ...

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Err...

Jon

@NightFury what is a joystick?

an xbox controller?

NightFury

No, pad on the screen to control player movement

Jon

ohhh

I can't really help you with something like that, it is more than likely asset specific.

I would have to look at the project.

debug the issue

NightFury

7:48 PM

Do you have time to do that?

Jon

Try putting some Debug statements around the Input code

It would be too expensive for you :)

NightFury

yup I am looking around the code right now

:P

Jon

Naw I don't really have the time right now

NightFury

Ah np. Just want guide for debugging and trying new ideas to sort out that issue. That would be enough

Well let me try with print statements

It is so weird.. everything was perfect a week ago. And now like I am trapped in a shit with no guide lol

Jon

sounds like you are neck deep in diarhea

NightFury

7:51 PM

diarhea? eeww :\

Jon

ok, so what is the input code, paste it here

then check out gorb

play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jgallant.gorbdemo

since you are in turkey I will send you redeem code if you want one

NightFury

Oh it's your game. Congratz :)

No, I am not from turkey :)

Jon

oh ok, then you can still get a redeem code i was just joking

NightFury

:P

Jon

are you a girl or a guy?

I have not gotten a lot of feedback from women, that is why I am asking

NightFury

7:55 PM

well, well well :D

Jon

i literally got feedback from Almo's wife through almo

And my girlfriend's soul shattering opinion

Almo

holy shit freestyle rappin! he's good! (I have one of his mixtapes)

Box of Freestyle: A-F-R-O

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NightFury

haha

user92578

@Jon ?

Jon

and my mom, that didn't understand wtf she was doing

what?

NightFury

7:57 PM

does she know playing games?

Jon

my mom? no not at all

user92578

What did your gf say?

Jon

well, she kinda gets super pissed off when she can't figure out a level

then says my game is stupid

user92578

oh

NightFury

haha every girl says so :P

Almo

7:59 PM

hahaha

NightFury

may be mostly I guess

Almo

my mom will love it, and try to 3 star the whole damned thing

she went nuts for cut the rope

NightFury

It is a cute game with om nom

who wont love it

Almo

yeah, CTR is good shit

NightFury

C T R stands for?

Almo

8:00 PM

Cut The Rope

NightFury

oops :P

Almo

:)

NightFury

what does GORB stands for Jon Snow?

Slereah

both the title and the instruction manual

Those are color initials

NightFury

Green Orange Red Blue?

Slereah

8:03 PM

The colors being obviously Gold, Ochre, Razzmatazz and Bittersweet shimmer

NightFury

emmm...

Slereah

(It is green orange red blue)

Lol

Alright I won yayy

Classic colours

8:05 PM

I liked the acronym

Slereah

For a more complete color list see blog.xkcd.com/2010/05/03/color-survey-results

Jon

that is interesting

Slereah

Did you know, it is possible to see colors that cannot occur in nature

Jon

i never thought about it

Slereah

Colors are perceived via responses of receptors in the eye, but some responses are impossible to obtain by a normal process

Jon

8:11 PM

apparently there are a few people that can see colors we can't

Slereah

But they can occur in some cases

Or they can also occur as purely mental processes

Impossible color

Impossible colors or forbidden colors are supposed colors that cannot be perceived in normal seeing of light that is a combination of various intensities of the various frequencies of visible light, but are reported to be seen in special circumstances. == Types == These impossible colors are of two types: Colors that would be seen if the output strengths of the human eye retina's three types of cone cell (red, green, blue) could be set to values which cannot be produced by exposing the eye in normal seeing conditions to any possible combination of strengths of the frequencies of visible light....

Jon

Anyways, our eyes are definitely not optimal

we merely observe light

light goes off, we see nothing

Slereah

Well yes, not much else we can do really

Jon

lol nothing except evolve

maybe in a million years from now, we will be able to see farts

then there will be no question about who farted

it will be very obvious, to our evolved eyesight

DH.

Just go infrared, it will be easier to detect farts

Jon

8:16 PM

i guess that was the assumed evolution... being able to see heat signatures

Slereah

Or just better hearing to pinpoint the origin of a sound

That reminds me

There are literally no good games based on evolution

I played a lot

None of them are even close to good

Almo

not a game, but an interesting toy

ventrella.com/darwin/darwin.html

Slereah

Gene Pool is another one

It's somewhat interesting but the fun runs out real quick

Every creature ends up being a snake, basically

Almo

haahah

NightFury

Good night guys!

Slereah

8:23 PM

Night

Almo

Darwin Pool lets you set which attributes make a critter attractive or not

so they evolve to be A) attractive and B) able to move fast enough to reach a mate

Jon

8:44 PM

Meh

Im' french and the french versino of that is Bof

So story time, when i was in grade 2, i asked this guy if he had played the new mario bros 2 -- which he replied "Bof"

Never spoke to that fucker ever again

DH.

Bof to me is that JRPG, Breath of Fire

PearsonArtPhoto

Dev Blog, Sea Trading Game- City personality wrapups, improvement on A* pathfinding. kd7uiy.com/2016/08/sea-trading-game-speed-improvements.html

Almo

Siniristilippu @Tyyppi_77

PearsonArtPhoto

9:25 PM

Note to self: Pay attention to which project you have opened in Source Tree before adding a master repository...

Jon

9:47 PM

Fuck that level select bug isn't fixed @almo

new build coming up ...

gonna test this first.

arda

10:04 PM

in The Bridge, 53 secs ago, by arda

Also WOO: game's code is totally complete now.

in The Bridge, 49 secs ago, by arda

Only have some design stuff to do

Jon

:D

@Almo newest version emailed to you

Almo

ok

@Jon want me send you back the version with the iOS splashes as conditional compiles?

Jon

10:21 PM

Sure

I think it is ready if 1-8 works

Almo

ok

Jon

10:38 PM

Also try to crash the level select

Ffs

How.

I just crashed it. Wtf

Ali.S

I don't understand MS... they asked me to update age rating on MergeIt... So I did.
they failed the certification saying the app crashed (even though I didn't change the package)

Jon

Family preventing me from fixing it atm

Ali.S

I tried asking for certification without making any changes (absolutely nothing) and this time it passed the certification...

Almo

11:02 PM

no hurry jon

Jon

Well it's fine but not ideal

arda

11:30 PM

in The Bridge, 11 secs ago, by arda

Game is now complete. I'll not post it publicly (other than on ludumdare I mean) for a few days until I add in the remaining cards though if you want to try it (and understand that it is incomplete), let me know.

Jon

@Almo ok

it is fixed now

Slereah

Hm

Apparently a way to do the invisible wall trick is to do a raycast between the camera and the player

What is the camera in isometric, the middle bottom of the screen?

Well, same x as the player, I suppose

DH.

11:45 PM

Hey @Jon small bug

When clicking any of the 3 buttons when the level is completed, I can see the Par number being increased