Game Development

12:46 AM

For my biotech/anatomy class, we're were assigned to make a weebly website where we would place information about what we learned themuffincoderschoolbiotech.weebly.com

I made myself a quick low poly green background that looks nice :D

MickLH

@Almo can you edit 10 minutes later?

Pip

1:08 AM

@Almo wow, that's expensive :/

@TheMuffinCoder awesome :P

Almo

@MickLH 1 minute is the limit for edits

unless my OWNER POWA lets me do otherwise

MickLH

@Almo sdf

Pip

2 mins actually IIRC

Almo

yeah doesn't look like I can edit stuff

Mods can, I'm just a lowly room owner

I can fuck up stars that shouldn't be there. :)

oh and I can mute people

MickLH

muffins post needs to be made star worthy

lol need is a relative term though

Almo

1:16 AM

nice backgroudn @TheMuffinCoder

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Q: C pointer changes for no apparent reason after assignment

I've stumbled upon what seems to be a very subtle bug. I have written a function that sorts a linked list. The function takes a pointer to the first node of the list as a parameter, and returns that same pointer to the first node of the now (hopefully) sorted list. However, on running the test co...

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   for( i=0; i < 500000; i++)
   {  if( node == NULL )
      {  printf("List ended early\n"); exit(0);
      }
      if( node->key != 2*i )
      {  printf("Node contains wrong value\n"); exit(0);
      }
      node = node->next;
   }

Pip

ouch

MickLH

1:59 AM

astyle.sourceforge.net

$ astyle -A2 -t *.cpp

and just like that, the folder of monkey-generated slag is converted into human readable code

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user92578

6:48 AM

First day of new period

user92578

So nervous

Jon

10:14 AM

LETS GET READY TO WRITE CODE

Chris

code it up

write code to write code for you

Jon

gonna go spend some time belittling bad questions on gdse

Chris

lol

user92578

Hi!

Chris

o/

user92578

10:21 AM

first day of new period went a lot better than I expected

Jon

what is it

Chris

I'm on a mission to try and find something better than Unity's UI stuff

Yay Typpii

user92578

yeah, I had a friend in Finnish and Swedish didn't seem as bad as I remembered

user92578

what do you mean by that crjiuhghais?

user92578

fuck the consonants in your name

user92578

10:23 AM

im sorry

user92578

but i just cant fucking get them right

user92578

crish

user92578

csirh

user92578

crhis

Jon

lmao

Just think of Christ

Jesus Chris

user92578

10:24 AM

crist?

user92578

jesus crisht

Chris

kris

user92578

FUUUUUUCK

user92578

crish

Chris

kriss

Jon

10:25 AM

man, what is wrong with you?

user92578

Crhis

user92578

idk

user92578

The "h" is silent

user92578

wait no it isnt

Chris

yeah it's silent

it makes zero sense actually

but that's English for ya

user92578

10:35 AM

I would like to take this time and space to thank SDL2_gfx for continuing to use the SDL naming convention, where functions are either SDL_FunctionName or YOURLIBRARYNAMEHEREINTHREECHARACTERS_FunctionName

user92578

OH WAIT

user92578

It does't fucking follow the one fucking naming convention

user92578

So OCD Tyyppi is now writing a wrapper layer (not just for the naming tough) for rendering rouded rects

user92578

(I'm trying out some new UI looks)

Chris

;(

Chris

10:53 AM

feeeeck

various high-rated UI plugins in the asset store...

one doesn't work on iOS

one doesn't support PS4/Xbox

just arrrrr

Kevin van der Velden

I

... Dammit mobile

user92578

C++ needs an enum type modifier that's like enum class but allows indexing

Kevin van der Velden

UI seems to be a problem everywhere

Jon

@Chris Unity UI is possibly the worst feature about Unity

they kept saying how the new UI in 5 was going to be awesome

Then they gave us this....

user92578

UI is hard

Chris

10:58 AM

Facepunch / Rust implemented their own WebKit-based UI >_<

there's this thing that seems to use Chromium or webkit: assetstore.unity3d.com/en/#!/content/10374

but their demo examples are pretty bad, and I can't tell if that's just the dev making a bad example, or if text just renders that badly

user92578

> Making interfaces has never been so simple, intuitive and actually fun!

user92578

Why doesn't love CSS?

Chris

there was one XAML one that looks awesome, but costs $300 or so, but yeah no console support

NGUI is basically Unity Canvas...

Jon

quite frankly, rendering a game menu with CSS is just silly

user92578

True, but very flexible

Jon

11:01 AM

CSS itself is kinda hacky as it was designed to seperate html/design elements

Chris

hmm there was like Coherent I think? lemme check

http://coherent-labs.com/buy-coherent-ui/
$13/month with a pop-up

or $3,500 for a normal license -_____-

Jon

what are you looking for exactly? just like form elements or something?

Chris

I just know what's involved with Unity's UI

and I really would love something else as a choice

Jon

just roll out your own

Chris

I'd rather make a game lol

Jon

11:03 AM

well a menu system, doesn't have to be complicated

it would also remove a dependancy if you just write something simple

Chris

Jon

instead of including ridiculous third party libs

Chris

yeah, it sounds like an option.... but ahhh

Jon

what that?

user92578

Custom menu systems have their benefits

user92578

11:04 AM

They totally do everything you need them to do

user92578

But then you have to make them do that

Chris

I made a thing above, trying to separate my cynical design eye with a level editor

user92578

looks cool

Chris

so the thing above gets turned into a proper scene

base human model, made some clothes

there's some Mecanim animation packs on the store

added in walking, running for now... and now I wanna get my UI going, health, inventory

cuz I wanna make some hot dungeon action

Jon

looks pretty gangsta man

user92578

11:09 AM

Just installed this, it's pretty cool:

user92578

Chris

:D but yeah, UI.... the old GUIText/GUITextures is almost easier in some regards compared to the UI Canvas, cuz you can calculate everything precisely. there's no BS canvas sizing issues. thing is is that none of it scales.... unless I coded it from the get-go to be scalable.
plus, the draw calls are horrible :/

@Tyyppi_77 handy

user92578

Yup

user92578

I should be doing this stuff in data files... but meh

Chris

stuff like that, the data has to go somewhere

just a matter of how much of an easy or hard time you wanna give yourself if you wanna change it later

user92578

11:11 AM

yeah

Chris

easy / bad way of doing it up front in the now

with the repercussion of it being annoying later on if you need to change it

user92578

it would be cool to have these in a separate file that could be reloaded while running

user92578

or well, hell, even modified at run time ingame

user92578

oh also, I think they finally added renaming stuff to C++ in VS

Chris

ahh, what about awesomium.com

user92578

11:21 AM

Small chance I broke something:

user92578

Chris

:p

bah, the odds of something not working if I rely on a crazy library is probably rather high

old GUITexts don't do text-wrapping... feck, Unity Canvas it is

Jon

11:43 AM

Live Texturing of Augmented Reality Characters from Colored Drawings

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Kevin van der Velden

Aah thank you rss feed for this thing that someone posted on gamedev.net:

Title: Beginning OpenGL Game Programming

Content of post: I lost my CD. Give me one.

end of post

Seriously dude? Seriously

Chris

lol

@Jon pretty crazy

Jon

yeah i imagine they will be raising a nice round of funding for this

user92578

wow that's cool

Jon

my question is... does it work on every drawing? or do you have to get their special drawing book.

I can't see how AR would work with just a random colouring book

user92578

11:48 AM

yeah hmmm

user92578

I don't think one can figure out the 3d form of a drawing

Kevin van der Velden

They didn't, the 3d model is seperate

It's the texturing that's automatic

user92578

Yeah, so you will need a special book

Kevin van der Velden

I'm guessing the borders are used for tracking

Jon

sounds like we got ourselves a sherlock holmes

user92578

11:52 AM

hmm so today at school I had this thought about making a simple WinForms tool for creating the GunHero animation data

Kevin van der Velden

@Jon well the 3d model bit is easy: They show creating the mapping of drawing->texture

user92578

hmm I think I'll just dump this UI redesign idea

user92578

I'm so bad at coming up with something cool and unique

user92578

The current UI isn't bad, it's just kinda boring

Jon

a good way to come up with something unique, is to steal someone else's idea

Chris

12:01 PM

user92578

well, surprise surprise, I like Broforce's level editor UI look

user92578

can I steal anymore Broforce's ideas?

user92578

no fucking way

Jon

user92578

Shia LaBeouf - Just don't do it!

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Jon

12:03 PM

haha

YOUR DREAM IS IMPOSSIBLE!

wtf is this now, a fucken pc gaming chair

650$ chair made for pc gaming apparently

user92578

ooooh a new chair would be awesome

Jon

make sure to get a gaming chair

user92578

i mean, not that one

Jon

i got this stupid standard computer chair

no wonder I suck at rocket league

fuck this chair

user92578

lol

Chris

12:07 PM

I see those types of chairs on twitch all the time

and then I get jealous lolo

Jon

gain charisma - get famous on twitch - earn swag

Chris

my dining chair does wonders for my back I'm sure

yup

Jon

take some of that money you made with tallowmere, and buy yourself a dang chair lol

a recliner with a pull out laptop tray

Chris

I already have a chair, so it looks like a waste of money :p

haha

Kevin van der Velden

I've got an ikea chair at home, about 150 or so but it's great

Chris

12:09 PM

pic?

Kevin van der Velden

Also yeah, no Internet at work

Chris

no pic no star

Kevin van der Velden

Uuh, when I'm not on my cellphone I'll look it up

Chris

No worries :D

Jon

my chair is like 20 years old

Chris

12:10 PM

I'm trying to decide between healthbars are individual hearts

Jon

the hydraulic thing is broken

so it is held up with various clamps and duct tape

Chris

My previous hydraulic beast lasted about 10 years

KMart special

Jon

here is my handywork

there are actually 2 clamps, one on the top and one on the bottom, under that tape

Blam, $2 fix

Chris

lol, legend

I think my final straw, apart from having to re-up the seat every day, was when too many screws finally came loose

when the seat goes on an angle lol

Jon

haha

ghetto indie devs man

Chris

12:16 PM

I'm surrounded by kids toys

Kevin van der Velden

Chris

my desk has 6 controllers on it atm

@KevinvanderVelden Looks hot

Kevin van der Velden

It's so good

Chris

I miss being able to lean back

Kevin van der Velden

2 of my friends, independently, bought the same one =p

Chris

12:17 PM

:D

Kevin van der Velden

Mine is now so old that the top has a small rip =p

Chris

tut tut

Almo

Aeron Chair from Hermann Miller.

Hjorthenify

12:51 PM

@Tyyppi_77 Your commits are quite descriptive, hmmm :P

user92578

lol

user92578

oh man i thought no one was looking

Hjorthenify

Haha I look by from time to time :P

user92578

:D

Hjorthenify

Otherwise it seems like the GUI is coming along nicely :)

user92578

12:53 PM

yeah it kinda is

user92578

I finally found some motivation

user92578

Not for the trigger stuff, that's still on hold

user92578

But I'm doing other important level editor tasks

Hjorthenify

Cool I've been busy with other stuffs... Haven't worked much on my game

Well I did add harvestables(took 2) and a console with commands lately

user92578

pastebin.com/n63hMnh7

user92578

12:59 PM

That's ENUM.ToString() in C#

Kevin van der Velden

You mean in C++?

user92578

/*
Stores the layer types.
WHEN YOU ADD A NEW TYPE HERE, REMEMBER TO MAP IT TO A LEVEL LAYER AND ADD A NAME TO THE CPP FILE.
*/
enum class ELevelEditorTileLayerType
{

Kevin van der Velden

Ish

user92578

I mean to get the same result you can do enum.ToString in C#

user92578

^ But there's no way I'll remember

user92578

1:00 PM

But please remember that I need to do this when I come with errors

Kevin van der Velden

There's a better way to do this but I can't find it right now

user92578

I (at least tried) looked trough some SO posts about enum strings in C++

Kevin van der Velden

Basically, write the enum values as ENUM_ENTRY( name ) to a Enum.inl file, in the header and do this:

user92578

I guess there's #define STR(x) #x

Kevin van der Velden

enum Something {
#define ENUM_ENTRY( n ) n
#include "Something.inl"
#undef ENUM_ENTRY
};

Then for the tostring version do:

std::map< Something, String > Something_Enum_Key;
std::map< String, Something > Something_Key_Enum;

void staticInitSomewhere() {
#define ENUM_ENTRY( n ) \
    Something_Enum_Key[ n ] = #n; \
    Something_Key_Enum[ #n ] = n;
#include "Something.inl"
#undef ENUM_ENTRY
}

user92578

1:03 PM

Yea

user92578

That looks good, thanks a lot

Kevin van der Velden

Solves the problem with having to edit multiple files to add a new value and prevents them from ever being different

You could even add a second argument for a friendly name or something (i.e. for key binding or some such)

user92578

I totally need to go back and do this to my entity types too!

user92578

this is awesome, thanks so much!

Hjorthenify

@KevinvanderVelden What kind of voodo is this?!

Kevin van der Velden

1:06 PM

There's a name for this pattern but I can't recall it

@Hjorthenify taking full advantage of the preprocessor ^^

Hjorthenify

Indeed..

Kevin van der Velden

It's technically a very limited domain specific language

Pip

morning

Kevin van der Velden

\o

user92578

hey it's the pipster!

Jon

1:10 PM

not its not, it's a piposter

user92578

you mean the pimposter?

Kevin van der Velden

THAT HAT IS A SPY!

Hjorthenify

Can't tell if Pip or Blue is the spy!

user92578

pimposter

user92578

1:13 PM

LAUGH YOU IDIOTS

Jon

tee hee

Ali.S

@Tyyppi_77 is it bad... that in my first attempt to understand what that is... I read it wid?

user92578

lol

user92578

yes

Jon

user92578

1:14 PM

it's obviously a pim-poster

Ali.S

the thing is, I don't know what pimposter is, and urban dictionary was no help

Jon

Chris

:D

user92578

@Ali.S it's a "poster" with the word "pim" on it -> "pim" + "poster" = "pimposter"

Ali.S

@Tyyppi_77 I can get how it's made... I just don't know what it means

I mean what does it mean for a kid to pretend being a pimp?

user92578

1:17 PM

it's "pip" + "imposter"

Jon

Pip Hop

Ali.S

@Tyyppi_77 it actually feels more like "pimp" + "imposter"... since who really wants to be a seed?

Pip

@Chris hearts are good if you only plan to have max 12 or so

otherwise it's too many

user92578

aight then

Pip

imo

Chris

1:19 PM

@Pip yeah, there has to be a cap

Pip

Agreed

Chris

atm I've mocked up

user92578

looks really fricking awesome

Chris

:D
was gonna make a start on a big inventory UI, but it's 2am, hmm hmm

user92578

did you make the character model?

Chris

1:24 PM

nah I found the base

but did the clothing

user92578

oh

Chris

and did the rigging

user92578

I was going to ask how was boob modelling

user92578

but nvm then

Chris

hehe

Jon

1:24 PM

TAS Skyroads PC in 15:55 by Ilari

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someone needs to remake this

Chris

yes

It feels like a little poor spaceship that can't fly no more

so has to hop around lol

user92578

Aight! Enum-order-independent enum-value-saving now-works!

holy shit it was a rip off

Chris

lol

Almo

1:33 PM

I'm pretty sure trailblazer just has the 5 stripes in a static display, and uses the raster interrupt to change the colors on certain scanlines to create the motion

the ball is a sprite (or two) on top of that.

Jon

yeah yeah , almo and his old school c64 skills :)

you should write a c64 game, for real

Almo

I did. Several.

Jon

there is still a small community that will download it and play it

no i mean another one

Almo

None were publication quality though :(

I wish I had integrated the sprites my pal made for Lander

seperate jets so they could be colored, and the lander's legs had hydraulics in them, so when it landed it could bounce a bit. Harder bounce to indicate landing closer to the limit on Y velocity

they'd explode and the lander collapse if exceeded Y velocity

but I had to write a little ASM to keep the sprites in the right places, and I never got around to it

Jon

sounds like space taxi

Almo

1:36 PM

yeah, it was the usual lunar lander physics type game

one of the few games I've made that required level design

Jon

i added like 20 people in one scene

rammed them down

Pip

@Tyyppi_77 "kr-iss"

Almo

@Jon mass murderer mode where you have to run down 20 people as fast as possible?

Jon

naw

but i was thinking of having a lot of people walking around

and everytime you hit a person, you have to pay a fine

Almo

hey that's a good idea

user92578

1:39 PM

chrish

user92578

no

user92578

fuck this

user92578

@KevinvanderVelden Man this stuff is awesome, I can associate all sorts of required data with enums now! Thanks a lot!

Kevin van der Velden

@Tyyppi_77 heh, no problem :)

It's a fun pattern

MickLH

@Tyyppi_77 I highly recommended that kind of preprocessor torture

user92578

1:45 PM

You did?

MickLH

I mean specifically, pulling lists out into separate .inl or .h files, and then including them with different macros defined, in several places. You can actually apply that concept in a lot of places.

user92578

Yeah, I'm sure

user92578

So now my entity stuff needs a lot of data

user92578

So I just expand the ENUM_ENTRY arguments, right?

MickLH

I used to use it for setting up OpenGL extensions, before GLEW seemed to work right

user92578

1:46 PM

And include the *.inl file inside several different arrays

Kevin van der Velden

@Tyyppi_77 pretty much

Note: Adding too much data in this method can lead to confusion so add comments =p

user92578

Yeah, totally

user92578

This is going to make the entity type system a lot cleaner

Kevin van der Velden

Also I'd always call it a .inl (or something) file over .h, an .h (or .hpp) to me is a thing I can include and have it be self contained. This method doesn't give you self contained stuff

user92578

And it solved a huge problem with the level layer writing

MickLH

1:50 PM

Ughhh balance. Balance wanting to point out extreme cases, with wanting to not confuse tyyppi while he's taking up something new.

Kevin van der Velden

Yes that =p

user92578

yup

user92578

you can talk I think

user92578

I'll try to understand the stuff

MickLH

nooo thats the problem

Kevin van der Velden

1:51 PM

"Here's a new idea!" waits till you're excited about it and half way through implementing "These are all the edge cases where it's a terrible idea"

user92578

ah

Kevin van der Velden

Say @MickLH, do you know the name of this pattern? I can't recall it, I believe there's a name for it but

MickLH

..... "And here's another idea that solves those edge cases by only changing 80% of the original idea!"

....."But that idea brings a new problem directly into where your solution was supposed to be, so ignore all the problems and 2nd solution and do the first, but this 2nd solution... lets talk about it!"

@KevinvanderVelden You mean the pre-processor?

Kevin van der Velden

@MickLH well, specifically using it in this method (an extra file with the data and including that file several times)

MickLH

I don't know of a name for it, I "invented" it one day as needed. I just call it pre-processing "hella hard". lol

Kevin van der Velden

1:54 PM

Heh

user92578

lol

MickLH

I have to point it out...

There are some extreme cases where you can use a .h file as an actual include, but also wrap it in macros and use it again later. (But I've never actually found that to be better in any way whatsoever than just going with .inl files that are useless without the macros)

Kevin van der Velden

Le sigh:

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Q: Python - Holding down key to move a sprite works, but only in one direction

I've been testing out movement for a fighting game that I'm creating in Python. The problem is that when I try to move the sprite, it moves correctly to the left, but only ever works in that direction. I think the problem is with my event handling loop, but I don't have much experience so I have...

2d python

That took about 2 seconds of looking at

@MickLH yeah, I believe the source engine uses that in some places for defining entities and at the same time using those headers for setting up serialization and such

MickLH

Wait as macros, or reading in the source at runtime?

Kevin van der Velden

Macros

So compile time I believe

user92578

1:58 PM

I can probably do this stuff a bit smarter one day

Kevin van der Velden

@Tyyppi_77 past you is always dumbest you

user92578

yeah