Game Development

Almo

12:09 AM

Polydor, a humongous record label, actually hired Cyriak to make an ad for them:

polydor presents 2010/2011

funny stuff

o_0

he's so BENT

malfunction is still my favorite of his... but damn he's creative

Chris

that rhino

Pip

Whoo! My reprap is coming along

Pip

12:35 AM

I've started printing some parts for it at my school's 3d printer and I have a guy on the freenode#reprap IRC channel printing a bunch of parts as well

Chris

1:01 AM

@Hjorthenify Best operating system ever

Almo

2:04 AM

@Chris OSX?

Pip

nope!

Almo

yes

no competition

ERIC B & RAKIM, NO COMPETITION

►

man I miss super tight rap like this

Chris

2:50 AM

see, Windows 10 just wanted to be cool like OSX

had to skip 9 to catch up to the whole X thing

Asaltaviejas

3:20 AM

Hi.

Chris

Hello

Almo

3:57 AM

Though it's kind of OSXX now

10.10

Hjorthenify

6:04 AM

@Almo Will it ever become OSXXX?

user92578

6:37 AM

Wow that was an easy math test

user92578

Should be easy 6 points ready for the exam

Hjorthenify

6:56 AM

You get math tests at 8 am?

user92578

8:18 AM

Yeah that was a mid-test, just on a regular class

user92578

And at 9:15

user92578

Mean while, lunch is a big disappointment, theres not the usual tomato onion salad with this ham potato thing

Kevin van der Velden

Hmmm ham

user92578

user92578

Not the actual school food image

user92578

8:30 AM

idk if thats a food that is eaten outside of finland

Kevin van der Velden

I 'unno

Kevin van der Velden

8:58 AM

Hmm I have 5kb left for gameplay currently

That should be easy, right? Right (it's not gonna be easy)

Oh that 5k is also going to need a few more textures as well

(Though the textures are probably going to be around 100-200 bytes)

Kevin van der Velden

10:19 AM

user92578

Nice

Kevin van der Velden

Wait, that's the old one

I have a better one :D

user92578

You're really making awesome progress :D

Kevin van der Velden

user92578

Changed the perspective a bit?

Kevin van der Velden

10:19 AM

I made the aspect ratio correct

And added shading to the walls

user92578

ah

user92578

Looks really awesome. All tough I'm not 100% sure what the things outside the "floor area" are

Kevin van der Velden

Walls :D

(Unless you mean the single tile island, those are debug code)

user92578

Yeah all those single things in the void

user92578

Fuuuu I started updating Word and now everything is broken

user92578

10:22 AM

It doesn't launch anymore

Kevin van der Velden

Yeah I added those for debugging, that way I could always tell if I was rendering something, because the visible area is about 1% of the game map so

user92578

Maybe the updating is still in process

user92578

Ah, makes sense

user92578

Hold on, I gotta restart my laptop

Kevin van der Velden

user92578

10:27 AM

Really interesting

Kevin van der Velden

(I like the half height walls, they were really easy to implement and don't obscure the vision on the tile behind them (or at least, not fully) so I don't have to go fighting with transparency and what not)

user92578

That was not the fastest computer restart xD

user92578

That sounds like a smart diecision

user92578

Now I can finally get to my religion assignments, yay!

user92578

</sarcasm>

user92578

10:37 AM

Now I can finally get to my religion assignments, yay!

user92578

Wait did that come twice to you?

Martin Sojka

Yes.

user92578

FUu

user92578

School network ruining things again

user92578

Whaaat

user92578

10:38 AM

antivirus software I use is not launching

user92578

so now is the time to spend me suspicious links xD

Kevin van der Velden

Duly noted!

now where did I put those suspicious links

user92578

haha

user92578

too slow, already manually started it

user92578

I think

user92578

11:03 AM

Dedicating a whole chapter to the Swiss reformation feels really important

user92578

A largish paragraph I would understand

user92578

oh well

Martin Sojka

11:18 AM

"It happened. Some people got rather angry about it. The end."

As important as Zwingli was to the Swiss, it really didn't matter much to anyone outside of the Confederacy. As opposed to guys like Luther and Hus.

user92578

Yeah, very true.

user92578

11:35 AM

Uuh, a quick math question. I have a function 3x^2+2x+a, and I need to find the values of a that will make the function always positive with any x.

user92578

I have a basic equation f(x)>0 set up, but I don't know how to continue

user92578

Is it just solving the polynomial with the solver formula and cleaning that up?

Martin Sojka

@Tyyppi_77 Simple. a = +∞.

Pip

morning all

user92578

Hi

user92578

11:38 AM

Yeah, true, but I need all the as, so the result will be something like a>something

Pip

find the minimums of the function without a

then make a -1 * thelowestminimum

user92578

That's the correct answer

user92578

But how the fuck does that work???

Pip

It's just a simple translation

when you add a you translate a units upward

user92578

It's from 3x^2+2x>-a?

Pip

11:40 AM

Uh

Solve 3x^2+2x

user92578

Yeahyeah

Pip

what's the problem then?

user92578

I just don't get why it works like that... now I kinda do

Pip

Yeah it's just a translation in the positive y direction

that's all

user92578

I see

user92578

11:42 AM

Thanks

user92578

Probably not the solution the teacher will be wanting... but that's good enough for now :D

user92578

Or well, I just probably don't still get the whole point of it

Martin Sojka

It's probably just rote training, to make sure you understand what (first) derivatives mean.

Pip

Is that a derivative?

Martin Sojka

If you want to find out where the minimum, maximum or "saddle" point of a function f(x) is, you need to solve for f'(x) = 0, yes.

f(x) = 3x^2+2x+a, f'(x) = 6x+2, f'(x) = 0 -> x = -1/3, f(-1/3) = -1/3+a, f(x) > 0 -> f(-1/3) > 0 -> -1/3+a > 0 -> a > 1/3

(Proof that x = -1/3 is the lowest minimum point left as an exercise to the reader)

Joe

2:19 PM

good morning gdse

Kevin van der Velden

\o

Joe

how goes the webgl @KevinvanderVelden?

Almo

hi joe

Kevin van der Velden

4 hours ago, by Kevin van der Velden

That's the latest status

Joe

nice iso interior coming along man!

Kevin van der Velden

2:21 PM

Also:

18 hours ago, by Kevin van der Velden

Joe

whats going to go in it

Kevin van der Velden

Dudes!

Joe

@Almo hows it going man

Almo

it's ok

having trouble advancing in LoL

there's something basic I'm just not getting I think

Kevin van der Velden

@Joe guards, thiefs, stuff to loot, traps

So I'll still need to make art for traps and stuff to loot and then I think I've got sufficient art

Joe

2:22 PM

@Almo i feel this way about game dev lol

Almo

haha :)

first trick to game dev (when getting going) pick projects that fit within your abilities.

Joe

im late actually... i need to commit to something for my september project

yea i started setting deadlines too.. helps keep progress realistic

Almo

cool :)

Joe

just trying to keep myself honest? on track i guess, if i dont i end up procrastinating hardcore

Almo

:)

Joe

2:25 PM

I am very torn now though... i found some new experimental thing I want to try but it would mean spitting in the face of the past 2 years i spent on unity

Almo

if your goal is to finish a game, use what you know. if your goal is increasing knowledge (or just having fun), try the experimental thing

that's my opinion anyway

Joe

i think thats the opinion i WANT to have

Kevin van der Velden

@Almo I agree in general, but if you're hitting a wall with what you know, doing the experimental thing for a while can lead to new ideas

Almo

which would mean that for the time being, your goal is knowledge

Kevin van der Velden

Or fresh ideas

I mean, you could use unity to make a smaller game, that wouldn't necessarily teach you anything new but it could help you out of a rut

Joe

2:29 PM

so what im hitting a wall with is the tool itself

for the most part i love the API, but similar to almos issue... the UI development is infuriating

and the networking dev was really frustrating

which all sucks because i go to Unite Boston in a week? two weeks?

Kevin van der Velden

Well, as long as you're not a speaker? =p

Joe

haha

maybe i need to bring a list of grievances

and ask people, find out if im just doing shit wrong

Kevin van der Velden

Yeah, or find a talk about those things

Joe

Almo

@Joe it's worse than infuriating. It's a fucking noob system that doesn't do what you want unless you really fight with it.

honestly, it's embarassing an engine this old has ui tools this horrible

didn't even GET UI tools till very recently.

Joe

2:36 PM

i completely agree and its probably the main reason im looking at this new experimental thing

just falling back on web tools, because i cant possibly be bothered to waste more time learning garbage

the rest of unity is perfectly awesome but the ui seems like it fails at doing basic things

Kevin van der Velden

What is the new experimental thing anyway? =p

Joe

i built a prototype on Electron / Angular / io.js

desktop application, canvas embedded game with angularjs layer for ui

all open source, im just stuck in 2d, which might not be awful

Kevin van der Velden

Plenty of 2d games

Joe

builds output to an MSI for windows or .APP on mac

also lets me easily use my own networking in node

pretty much is just "playing to my strong suit" in the most direct obvious way

"here all 5 things i know how to use to the core, lets try and make a game with that"

problem is none of them are really directly for making games

Kevin van der Velden

I wonder, is there any project that I can't somehow find a practical use for adding a makefile?

I mean, I've added a makefile to a static website template to generate some vertical labels and various coloured tabs

Joe

2:51 PM

i think that kind of tech is awesome

build tools are super helpful

ever use composer or npm?

Kevin van der Velden

No experience with either

NPM is the node one right?

Joe

yea

Kevin van der Velden

Aah the other is PHP

I don't use either of those languages so

Joe

yyep

they are very well done saves me hours of setup

Kevin van der Velden

Yeah, language specific build tools are useful

But not if you don't use those languages of course =p

Joe

2:53 PM

haha, true

Kevin van der Velden

I like premake for C++ development (and a regular GNU makefile per OS for everything else that premake doesn't supply)

Joe

is it just a bash program? ill have to look into it

Kevin van der Velden

premake? No it's written in lua

It's basically a tool that can generate a solution for things like visual studio, or makefile for GCC like compilers

Pip

If someone has a second, could you help me find 6mmx10mmx20mm limit switches? Not from China?

Kevin van der Velden

I don't know of any retailers in a country I'm not in (excepting the previously ruled out chinese ones)

Pip

3:02 PM

Thanks anyway

I'm having trouble with cheap 5mm to 5mm shaft couplers as well

Lowest I've found that's reliable is $7 each

Joe

typically you can choose Cheap... or Made in the USA from my experience

Pip

3:22 PM

yeah

I'm working on the BOM for my 3d printer

only a few parts left: some fans, 608zz roller bearings, 624rs rolller bearings, 3 limit switches with the sizes above, and some shaft couplers

Noctrine

3:51 PM

Heh, Unity just sent me the "Why didn't you upgrade" survey

Kevin van der Velden

"Because I have a finished product that I am selling and upgrading and don't want to risk new bugs with a new version of Unity?"

Noctrine

4:05 PM

Mine was closer to "I paid for 2 upgrades and only now did you add the features that you said you wanted to have in the v3 release, and then you made them all free"

So the only thing I'd be upgrading to, is having a splashscreen

Kevin van der Velden

4:17 PM

Heh

ujwal dhakal

kevin sir?

i am wandering how should i manage the users after they accept the challange

after they accept the challange

the one who accepts the challange have rights to change some sort of things

Kevin van der Velden

Okay, sounds reasonable. What have you tried?

ujwal dhakal

i have tried using databse

making a table

where there i can record

whether the user is chalanger

or accepting challange

if accepting challange then do this

i know thats not the correct of way dealing with datas when ur making games

so sir i am here for this issue

Noctrine

How long do the challenges persist?

ujwal dhakal

after one meet the term of loosing there will be flag in database the status of game inactive it means end

basically sir i am from plain php and node background so i always deal everything with databases :( poor me

Kevin van der Velden

4:30 PM

@ujwaldhakal why is that not "the" correct way (setting aside the fact that there is no "the" corrct way?)

ujwal dhakal

yesterday jon sir gave me idea

where i was using database

he told me to pass token round and round

so impressed with these

Kevin van der Velden

(also stop with the sir-ing already, do you see anyone else doing that?)

ujwal dhakal

sorry sir i am just kid

Kevin van der Velden

Irrelevant

ujwal dhakal

so respecting

if you dont like i wont say

Noctrine

4:31 PM

So are a number of other people here :\

ujwal dhakal

i think i am smaller

than everyone else

just 13 years

Noctrine

Currently, but so were they.

Behave the way you want to be treated.

ujwal dhakal

ok

@KevinvanderVelden can we come to the conclusion?

Noctrine can you help me with issue?

Kevin van der Velden

@ujwaldhakal What conclusion? I'm still waiting to hear why you think your idea won't work

ujwal dhakal

when i ask things in the school

Kevin van der Velden

4:35 PM

I think it'll work fine

ujwal dhakal

my teacher says its not related with course book

my idea is working

but its slow

Kevin van der Velden

@ujwaldhakal Damn your teacher is a lousy teacher

ujwal dhakal

yes i hate him

i can bet he dont knw about programming languagues than me

only know about computer system

Kevin van der Velden

(I mean, assuming your not interrupting the class for it, then I suppose I can see it (but a better response would be "that's not related to the course, but we can talk afterwards"))

ujwal dhakal

my code every time connects database, make query get response so its slow

while i play next game of created by next person its fast than mine

tereško

4:37 PM

are you using "google translate"?

ujwal dhakal

me?

Kevin van der Velden

@ujwaldhakal That's interesting, a few simple queries shouldn't have a noticeable effect on performance (especially not on a test server with no other people accessing it)

ujwal dhakal

i wish i had it on live server so i would be able to show you its not that much fast

only players are accessing

but every action is based on database here

Noctrine

Your queries could be bad, how are you doing them?

What's your backend?

ujwal dhakal

php and node js

Noctrine

4:39 PM

Describe it

ujwal dhakal

my dream is when i leave school i wish to work with it companies

describe? you mean paste the code?

or

Noctrine

Describe how the system works

ujwal dhakal

one player send req to another

next will aceept

now when the accept is made

both will be redirected to the game

Kevin van der Velden

closes connection to work computer GAMEDEV TIME :D

ujwal dhakal

and the one who accepts has right to

put bet amount

Noctrine

4:42 PM

How are your tables set up? What happens on every page load? Every Transaction?

ujwal dhakal

and the bet amount should be less than equal to both player current money

one row is beign added

just column are affected

and when status flag is inactive the game over

that row wont be used again

Noctrine

You're doing SELECT *'s?

ujwal dhakal

update

Noctrine

What's the slow process

ujwal dhakal

responses damn slow

Kevin van der Velden

4:44 PM

Copy paste a few of the statements that read data from the database :)

ujwal dhakal

wait

sorry

again type that shit

Kevin van der Velden

Heh, it's mostly the constant sir-ing that's annoying. That's not a thing in such an informal setting as this :) (and only a few settings where it is appropriate)

Noctrine

Like, if Sir Ian McKellan were here. Or if we were referencing Sir Terry Pratchett.

Kevin van der Velden

Well if someone was actually knighted then yes

Noctrine

But even then, that's just out of respect :: 'Merica!

Also, what is "damn slow"

Kevin van der Velden

4:47 PM

But while we're all awesome and totally deserving of knighthoods (except 'mericans cause you don't have such things HAH) we're not knights

Kevin van der Velden

5:01 PM

Hmm, proc gen the entire map, let the user build the entirety of the map, or let the user connect sections of the map

Noctrine

5:39 PM

Connect sections!

Then there could be proc-gen'd and user customized parts

Kevin van der Velden

Yeah I think that's the most fun option

Almo

6:05 PM

Always Be ^o^【VOCALOID Original】

►

Pip

6:18 PM

What's up with Google's logo today?

Kevin van der Velden

They have a new logo

Pip

It looks... meh

I like the old one more

Kevin van der Velden

Same

I'm working on a tutorial text!

Noctrine

That's everyones immediate response to most branding changes

I like all the animations available to it

Almo

yeah new one

it's nice and clean, and retains the branding of the old one (with the colors)

Pip

6:20 PM

THe animations' cool

Almo

@IcyDefiance no hints! just complaining that I'm not finding the sequence reverser as simple as everyone else does

Lokkij

I like the new Google logo

Much nicer than the old one, at least

Joe

6:51 PM

anyone done any UX UI stuff? im considering a UI for a report dashboard and one of our target audience is red green colorblind... and the entire dashboard is basically red and green to denote positive/"good" metrics... or negative "poor performance"

Pip

Ask on the SE site devoted to UI design?

Joe

havent yet but i might

Pip

@Joe I mean... we have a ux.stackexchange.com for a reason

:D

Joe

do they have a chat... checks

Pip

I think so

Joe

6:53 PM

hasnt been chatted in... in 3-8 days

Kevin van der Velden

Progress!

Pip

Looking good

Sounds like a cool concept

Kevin van der Velden

Damn, 1200 bytes for the image transfer code and the tutorial

(image transfer code meaning, the guard image is copied from the auto-generated code into an image)

I may just put the help file somewhere outside of the zip

Pip

you doing that JS competition?

Kevin van der Velden

Yeah

Pip

7:05 PM

I see

Kevin van der Velden

7:22 PM

So, tutorial written, 4100 bytes uncompressed, zips down to 1584 bytes

Hmmm

That's a lot

Pip

7:37 PM

Yes, yes it is

Kevin van der Velden

But it's pretty and informative!

Noctrine

@Joe Add a colorblind mode that uses other colors? I know that photoshop has color profiles that let you see how color sets will look to those users.

Or ship a pair of enchroma glasses :p

Ultimately, it breaks down kind of terribly.

Red, Orange, Yellow, and Green are effectively just shades of the same color to it.

Colors are going to be unreliable, and the perception of red = bad / green = good won't translate over as effectively. Words and Icons will always be readable though.

Kevin van der Velden

7:57 PM

Make it a red frowny face and a green happy face :D

Noctrine

So a yellow frowny face and a yellow happy face

Kevin van der Velden

Yep

Best way to deal with colour blindness: Make sure colour isn't the only way a thing is conveyed

Noctrine

Asaltaviejas

8:16 PM

Hi.

Kevin van der Velden

\o

Asaltaviejas

Hola.

Kevin van der Velden

8:32 PM

@Tyyppi_77 I have a suspicious link for you!

Well, more like I want someone to test and see if what I have so far for js13k works and I don't have a host but I do have a raspberry pi: 83.87.185.61

(Note: You can't yet close the info)

Chris

8:49 PM

Lets me click and place tiles!