Game Development

GnomeSlice

12:00 AM

Nsfw but awesome

Jovito

@IcyDefiance how do you implement the scene flow? when each scene runs

GnomeSlice

THE COPS WON'T HELP YOU

Icy Defiance

I have a "SceneManager" which was basically just a stack of scenes. Whatever scene is on top of the stack is the one that gets updated and drawn.

GnomeSlice

THE PRIESTS WON'T HELP YOU

Jovito

What I'm doing is running a callback when the current scene exits, whatever that scene is, and then deciding which one should run based on the one that exited.

Pip

12:02 AM

lol

@IcyDefiance but Ruby :D

Icy Defiance

I let each scene have access to the stack so it could say "manager.Push(newScene);"
then the manager would call "OnPause()" on the old scene, then "OnEnter()" and "OnResume()" on the new scene
also "OnPause; OnLeave();" when a scene is popped from the stack

Pip

@OMGtechy yeah, true :)

@Chris Dotadotadotadota

dota

dotadota

GnomeSlice

Best album trailer ever

Pip

@Chris Pls Volvo the cult be with you

Jovito

@IcyDefiance so scenes are created from within scenes, not from an outside class

Icy Defiance

12:05 AM

wasn't required, but yeah they could be, and I mostly used it that way

I figured the scene itself would know best when it was supposed to die and start the next scene

Jovito

but what if sceneA needs to push a sceneB onto the stack, and sceneB also needs to push sceneA. woudn't you have circular imports?

Pip

Hahaha for some reason Steam just forgot my Dota client was there.... When it started downloading again I canceled then selected "Update" and it finished in like 2 seconds (it had to redownload the exe which it deleted for some reason)

Jovito

@Icy was that stupid?

Icy Defiance

imports...what language are you using?

python?

if so, that could be a problem. my framework is C# so projects "import" each other, not individual files.

Jovito

Sorry, I mean, you would need to have a reference to sceneA's constructor in sceneB and a reference to sceneB's constructor in sceneA, right?

That seems like it would be a problem.

Icy Defiance

12:16 AM

shouldn't be. it's not in C# at least.

if the constructor of each was referencing the other, that might be

you'd get a stack overflow error then

Jovito

I'm using js, but I don't know if require() would have a problem with circular "imports".

Pip

@Jovito requirejs.org/docs/api.html#circular

Oh nvm

that's a lib

Jovito

yep

I was talking about node's require().

Pip

selfcontained.us/2012/05/08/node-js-circular-dependencies

Jovito

Yeah, I thought so.

Icy Defiance

12:18 AM

yeah in javascript you might need some kind of workaround for that

not a problem at all in C#

Jovito

how does c# solves this? I'm curious

Icy Defiance

all files in the same project just know about each other by default. they don't reference each other or anything.

Pip

yep

as long as they are in the same namespace (including the default)

(which is the solution btw)

Jovito

and 'project' is a language thing?

like a package?

Icy Defiance

nah even if they're in the same namespace they know about each other

Pip

12:20 AM

yep

Icy Defiance

err, *not in the same namespace

you just need to qualify the name with its namespace then

Jovito

that's weird

Icy Defiance

also namespace != solution. they're usually named the same, but they don't have to be.

anyway

"project" in C# usually compiles to a single binary, either exe or dll

so basically if two files are going into the same binary, they know about each other

separate binaries aren't allowed to circularly reference each other without some crazy tricks (introspection would probably work...probably...it's crazy though)

Chris

Loading scenes, as long as the player knows the game hasn't frozen, anything's game. Art, bar, circular loader, animated or not, tips, lore, basic screen
Overlaid on top of an existing scene or as a separate thing, no right or wrong way imo

Icy Defiance

preferably animate something other than the loading bar and do your loading async, so if the game freezes then it's obvious

if you want to get really fancy, make sure the animated thing is being loaded over and over from the hard drive every time it loops, instead of just keeping it in memory

Jovito

12:25 AM

@Chris but if the loading screen had some interactivity then wouldn't it be better for it to be a scene on its own?

Icy Defiance

that way if the game doesn't freeze, but it stops loading for some crazy reason, the animation will still stop :D

Jovito

@Icy thats a good idea

Chris

@Jovito it would probably be easier and cleaner from a developer's perspective, yeah

Icy Defiance

but that extra measure something very few people do. it's not that necessary.

just something animated is good enough

Chris

my Fire TV version, I know it takes 50 seconds to load, so I made a very basic loading screen, fiery soul that moves along with the bar

Generic Android version gets a message asking users to "please wait" lol

cuz up to 60 seconds with no progress percentage report from Unity is kinda bad

Icy Defiance

12:31 AM

witcher 3 got really fancy with their loading screens. instead of a progress bar they have a narrator recap the story of whatever main quest you're on, complete with an animation representing what is being said.

Chris

in-game, since it's forever one scene, I just show a black sprite over the whole screen, and use a white line to load across the bottom, there's like 10 steps to the loading and it's always super quick

ah nice

Icy Defiance

since the main time you see a loading screen there is when you first open the game for that play session, it's actually useful

TheMuffinCoder

Ouch

Typescript's generated code is 100x slower than my regular js

It's literally running at 2 fps now

Chris

ship it

TheMuffinCoder

lmao

am just coding to look for a minimizer/optimizer

noooooooooooooooooo

my typescript sprite scaler is broken D: i guess I'll just use the regular js one

Jovito

12:38 AM

nooooooooooooooo.com

3

TheMuffinCoder

@Jovito thank u ;( i needed this to express how i feel

Jovito

@TheMuffinCoder how do you make private variables in js following the classical oop model?

TheMuffinCoder

@Jovito lol i give up on doing that stuff in js

I went to typescript which made that much easier

Jovito

function Whatever() {}

Whatever.prototype.iDontCare = function() {}

Whatever.prototye.coudntCareLess = function() {}

TheMuffinCoder

look :P typescript makes it easy

github.com/TheMuffinCoder/HTML5-Projects/blob/master/before.js

Jovito

12:44 AM

I've seen it like this

TheMuffinCoder

Before

github.com/TheMuffinCoder/HTML5-Projects/blob/master/after.ts

After

@Jovito in typescript u literally only have to write the word private

Jovito

function Whatever() {
    function iDontCare() {}
    function coundtCareLess() {}

    // private attributes
    var privateShit;
    var privatePoop;
}

TheMuffinCoder

@Jovito sry cant help u out

closures, variable scope, object... etc got to confusing for me in js

Jovito

I understand, I almost killed myself over this some time ago

TheMuffinCoder

lmao

Hey Jovito

Jovito

12:48 AM

I asked @Aidan for an air strike but it never came

TheMuffinCoder

Sorry for ignoring the main point, but why dont u use TypeScript instead or something like Dart?

All your current js is valid typescript too

Jovito

and so it iiis yeah, just like you said it would be

TheMuffinCoder

xD

Jovito

never used typescript or dart for that matter

only js madness

TheMuffinCoder

lmao i used to do that too... actually 4 days ago

xD a week ago i tried to make private values too but then I said to myself, screw it i dont care if they're global

Jovito

12:59 AM

@TheMuffinCoder that's messed up dude

TheMuffinCoder

@Jovito lol but it didnt really matter to me

I was global in my namespace at least

not the whole dom

Jovito

oh, alright then

you scared me

TheMuffinCoder

xD i also only had that script so it wouldnt had matter either :P

Jovito

what do you mean? you're doing everything in a single file?

TheMuffinCoder

:P it wasnt a big script and was easier to deal with in the IDE

TheMuffinCoder

1:20 AM

2

Pip

nice

TheMuffinCoder

Hey guys am having problems with the canvas, the sprite is distorted

what do u call this type of problem? the eye size changes randomly

@Pip thx but it doesnt render correctly D:

Pip

dotabuff.com/matches/1499492310

Aww yeah

I did pretty shit but we still won

was good game

TheMuffinCoder

@Pip :P u still had a positive score, more assists and kills than deaths :D

Pip

:D

@JohnMcDonald oh god

I played Bad Rats

oh god

My friend's opinion

TheMuffinCoder

1:45 AM

mmm that weird scaling problems seems to only occur in Chrome, IE doesnt seem to show it... I wonder why the sprite gets scaled... the position and dimensions are whole numbers

GnomeSlice

Cogmind - Alpha Launch Trailer

►

cogmind alpha is outttt

Chris

looks cools

Early WIP of a new enemy I started last night

Aidan Mueller

4:12 AM

@Jovito Sorry. The idiots who built the rocket used devil's venom as fuel. The whole thing was corroded on the inside. Thankfully we noticed before launching it. If you still want it, it will take a while.

MickLH

4:32 AM

@AidanMueller Yeah but it just rubbed me the wrong way for some reason

Aidan Mueller

Hmm. You know any good free synths?

Jovito

5:10 AM

@AidanMueller geocities.jp/daichi1969/softsynth

Aidan Mueller

I think somebody at youtube made a mistake :P

@Chris Looks great. Are you going to make it move a bit more?

@Jovito Why is this thing all asian?

Jovito

geocities.jp/daichi1969/synmanu/readmeeng.html

Chris

@AidanMueller Working on sorting out some sort of flying movement at the moment

Aidan Mueller

OK.

Hjorthenify

7:43 AM

Ping

@Chris Why would you release such foul creatures in the lobby? D: Poor citizens!

Chris

Easy testing zone :p

Hjorthenify

But think of the children!

I should public the code for my current project..

user92578

8:26 AM

Good Day!

user92578

My matrix exam went well and I'm in a super good mood!

user92578

@Chris Looking good

Chris

@Tyyppi_77 yay!

user92578

Today's food: pasta in a box

user92578

way better than pasta in a bag

Hjorthenify

8:39 AM

@Tyyppi_77 Nice! :D
Meanwhile I had to study for my english exam for tomorrow, but I ended up playing minecraft.

user92578

lol

user92578

I should read for my Swedish and Finnish exams

Hjorthenify

It's a cruel world..

Yetta bra!

user92578

Jätte

user92578

quite nice tough

Hjorthenify

8:41 AM

I haven't had Swedish since kindergarden :P

user92578

:D

user92578

I only started studying it on seventh grade

Hjorthenify

Nice

Kinda strange that you need to learn Swedish :P

user92578

Well it's like 5% of the Finnish population that speak Swedish

user92578

And it's an official language

user92578

8:44 AM

So every 20th

Hjorthenify

Ah i didnt know you had that many

user92578

That's quite a lot actually

Hjorthenify

Agreed

@Tyyppi_77 Funny thing about Denmark is that we can understand the Swedes easily and we even have a lot working in Copenhagen, but we can only remember few phrases which are actually Swedish :P

Chris

9:29 AM

Hjorthenify

Tongues?

Chris

I think you could call them that

Hjorthenify

What is their abilities?

Chris

I've got them flying around atm, they stop moving when they see you, tongue shoots out. Thinking of damage on tongue impact, then probably pull you towards them. If their tongue hits your shield, probably no damage but maybe still pulls you until you lower your shield

probably will be dodgeable if you jump out the way in time

Hjorthenify

Sounds nice

user92578

9:36 AM

Awesome! @Chris

Chris

Hjorthenify

Are you using Unity's line renderer?

Oh! I just got an idea: You should add a non-sticky shield

Basically a shield where their tongues can't stick

Hjorthenify

9:53 AM

@Chris

Chris

nah not using the line renderer, those are scaled sprites

that's a cool idea

Hjorthenify

Ah also thanks

Chris

so many ideas and suggestions I have jotted down!

Hjorthenify

At least two from me :D
I'm just happy I can help

What are your favorite ideas so far?

Chris

I still want to do a paintball gun, coloured splats

and a gas mask so the acid traps do nothing

I don't really have a favourite though

sometimes I just get urges to try something spur of the moment, or an idea sort of builds inside me, itching for me to try

Hjorthenify

10:02 AM

I love that feeling.
All the ideas sound awesome :D
What about the bouncy bullet gun thingy?

Blue Bug

@Chris Wooha that's pretty sweet

Chris

It sounds too futuristic
maybe as a ball of fire or magic somehow maybe though

Hjorthenify

Yeah

Blue Bug

that line thinging's got a badass texture as well

Hjorthenify

@Chris Could you make the stick to where they hit the players body instead of the centre?

Chris

10:05 AM

@Hjorthenify probably, I haven't gotten that far yet

Hjorthenify

Would be neat

Jon

10:36 AM

would be sharp.

nice stick-a-tongues

Blue Bug

or that it's tongue gets stick to floor or wall instead, if it misses.

Jon

cool idea

Blue Bug

there's a monster just like that in "SlugCat" they launch their tongue and the tongue gets stick to whatever object it touches

Jon

there is typically a enemie like that in every zelda game

Blue Bug

the monsters usually stick the tongue to the player then pull the player towards them.

!!!

10:39 AM

future-minecraft?

yep

10:55 AM

Minecraft with shaders is amazing

It is actually the sole reason why I play vanilla minecraft sometimes.

user92578

11:55 AM

Wow, I got a lot done!

user92578

I added proper climb pose sprites for guns, and shell particles for when you shoot

user92578

12:07 PM

That concludes weapon stuff for now!

Jon

good to hear

Jon

12:34 PM

-26

Q: What does this mean? for (int i = 0; i <5; i++) {

I am working through some code in a game. I know what most of it means, but not all of it. For the line for (int i = 0; i <5; i++) { - what does that do exactly? I know what it's end result is, but I'd like to know in detail what each character does. - (void) addBricks:(CGSize) size { for (...

Blue Bug

    //my code
    public Behaviour(){
    	var condition = new Behaviour ();
    }

Unity breaks. It stops

Kevin van der Velden

Does it give an error? What happens?

Blue Bug

It just stops. Nothing happens but time itself freezes.

Jon

heh, gif messes up

Blue Bug

that's a cool green GUI.

Jon

12:45 PM

anyways, that is my atmospheric shader

user92578

Is there a "Break All" debug command in Unity?

user92578

If there is, hit that and see where the code is stuck

Jon

if stuck in a loop, no

user92578

If it's stuck

Jon

you need to end task

user92578

12:46 PM

Wow that's bad

Jon

I think that is pretty standard

Blue Bug

if your computer cannot handle Unity endless loop swag, your computer might as well need to restart too. (mine cannot handle Unity swag)

Jon

a compiler can't determine if a loop will be infinite

user92578

Not having a break all?

Jon

VBA has a break all

:)

user92578

12:47 PM

VBA?

Jon

Visual Basic for Applications

this poop

user92578

ah

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Why is it, I always tell Flash to update automatically, yet it constantly needs my attention to make sure I don't want McAfee internet security ...

Jon

packageware is what people do nowadays

if the software is free -- chances are you are being screwed for using it

6

OMGtechy

@Jon vba also lets you index from an arbitrary number rather than 0 D:

Jon

12:52 PM

VBA arrays are interesting

ReDim Preserve

i wrote some pretty wicked stuff in excel vba when I was working for places that didn't let me use Visual Studio

server rack ui calculator, with visual rack representation

could pre-plan your farm moves

OMGtechy

I had some obfuscated VBA that needed translating into Python >.<

Blue Bug

Why do I feel so motivated to code during the worst possible hours? For example, I stay up all night when I have work in the morning, but I don't feel like codding during weekends-holidays-freedays.

Jon

user92578

Looking good

Jon

colors need tweaking

the blue is kinda weird

Blue Bug

1:04 PM

oh man that's how it works? with that horizon shader? coooool.

Jon

yeah, i might write an article post on it

I keep looking for little bits to write up on

might be useful

user92578

1:44 PM

I think I should start working on somesort of a boss fight

user92578

But for that I need some sort of backstory

Lokkij

You should! :D

user92578

What the player fights?

user92578

Why?

Lokkij

Huh?

I was saying you should totally make a bossfight

user92578

1:47 PM

yeah

user92578

those were questions for me to answer

user92578

(In the backstory that I need to write)

Lokkij

Ooh

user92578

My current idea is that the game starts in a prison environment, and you need to escape from there

user92578

Then for some reason you travel all around in different environments freeing prisoners

user92578

1:49 PM

Maybe I'll just do the "evil robot mastermind is trying to take over the world"

Pip

morning GDSE

user92578

...and to the first typo of the morning

Pip

yep

Jon

Icy Defiance

2:38 PM

lol apparently restarting an SQL Server instance makes auto-incrementing columns jump by 1k or 10k

I was like "holy shit 10k things in my database already" and then there was only 180-something

Jovito

2:52 PM

@Icy Does the scene pops itself when exiting in your scene manager?

Icy Defiance

no, but the scene can pop itself by calling manager.Pop() before pushing a new scene

Jovito

so who does the popping?

Icy Defiance

anyone with bubble wrap?

Jovito

besides those

Icy Defiance

nah I usually called pop from within the scene. like the scene popping itself.

OMGtechy

2:54 PM

suicidal scenes

Jovito

so why did you answered no? hahaha

Icy Defiance

sorry I thought you were asking if it was automatic

Pip

@IcyDefiance you know why?

(I have no idea, genuinely interested)

Jovito

@Icy so you just pop the scene and forget about the popped value

Icy Defiance

@Pip no clue. it's intentional, but I couldn't find a reason right away, and I'm on the clock so I shouldn't spend too much time chasing down trivia.

Pip

2:56 PM

Ah kk

Icy Defiance

@Jovito pretty much. once a scene pops itself, there's usually no handle to it anywhere else in the program, so it goes straight to the garbage collector.

C# is really nice that way

Jon

i just do a GC.collect in my update loop

Jovito

@Icy If I remember correctly you said that the scene manager calls onWhatever methods when they're pushed or popped

why not call those from within scenes as well?

I'm trying to understand the benefit of having this manager.

OMGtechy

@Jon had a chance to take a look yet?

Jon

oh, naw, i forgot

OMGtechy