Game Development

PsychO PhobiA

6:00 PM

@AttackingHobo I did not say I would keep lost stuff.

I am talking about the criminals who are doing it. I also completed my discussion anyone want to see in the pastebin?

AttackingHobo

6 mins ago, by PsychO PhobiA

Who wants to give it back at all?

@PsychOPhobiA why not

PsychO PhobiA

@AttackingHobo Yeah but thats a question not a statement

@AttackingHobo "Why not"?

Alex M.

why not give it back

AttackingHobo

its a rhetorical question. Which is nearly the same thing as making a statement

MickLH

Someone call them both: "Hey, can you beat $52. Ok cool, I'll call you back in just a moment."

It's like the bargain hunting of donations

PsychO PhobiA

6:02 PM

Anyone want to see my disscussion or not

Christoph

what kind of discussion?

PsychO PhobiA

The Christopher Columbus discussion

MickLH

aint nobody got time fo' no history channel

unless it's ancient aliens

Christoph

for school?

PsychO PhobiA

Ah come on guys its the truth

Please????

Noctrine

6:04 PM

Ancient Aliens is awesome

MickLH

Ancient aliens FTW

AttackingHobo

@PsychOPhobiA I already said "why not?" link it man

MickLH

@PsychOPhobiA try spicing it up with some ancient aliens

Christoph

@PsychOPhobiA just post it - someone will have a look. If you ask first, nobody will volunteer

PsychO PhobiA

I will post on pastebin hold on

pastebin.com/afdnnqZR

Okay there you guys go. Click the link above

AttackingHobo

6:06 PM

Icy Defiance

@MickLH you were right, our advice to psycho backfired

You guys read it?

@PsychOPhobiA yes

How is it?

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A: Are questions asking how to find where game engines have the code for different things on-topic?

Absolutely not. I don't think it matters what the content or circumstances around the question are. I cannot think of an example of a question along the lines of "Where is the code for X?" isn't an XY problem. The following example scenario was provided as a counter argument to this: "I may k...

AttackingHobo

6:09 PM

nearly unsalvageable

SpartanDonut

If you voted for Josh's answer please read the comments on his answer and read my answer and vote accordingly.

PsychO PhobiA

@AttackingHobo What you mean?

AttackingHobo

It is bad, and will be hard to fix.

PsychO PhobiA

I also excluded that he explored the Americas in which I fixed up.

Hard to fix and how is it bad?

That is what the teacher wanted to know.

AttackingHobo

What is your writing prompt?

PsychO PhobiA

6:11 PM

????

Christoph

@PsychOPhobiA how old are you? That's important because I don't know what standard to expect

PsychO PhobiA

I am 13

All of my class mates are 12 and 13

in 8th grade now

Alex M.

it's fine

AttackingHobo

ok that changes things a bit

Noctrine

I feel like I've read this essay a million times

MickLH

6:13 PM

@SpartanDonut first vote!

SpartanDonut

YEAH! HIGH FIVE!!

Noctrine

When you quote things, make sure you cite them.

PsychO PhobiA

It is just crazy when it seems people don't read their history

Oh

okay I will fix that up but can I go eat first?

Alex M.

lol

kid what the fuck

Noctrine

Also you don't have to begin a quote with "I will quote"

Alex M.

6:14 PM

we're not your parents

Christoph

of course, eat! you can't do history when you starved

PsychO PhobiA

Oh well ima go eat and thanks guys!

Noctrine

Because he asked, I kind of want to say. No, finish the essay first.

lol

Alex M.

you can go skydiving for all we care lol

Noctrine

Just for fun, lets also run it through hemmingway

AttackingHobo

6:15 PM

@Noctrine hmm?

Noctrine

hemingwayapp.com

Alex M.

man this reminded me of this ultra-studious colleague of mine

asking the prof something like

"prof is there a problem if I also write..."

then he got interrupted by someone else saying

"write whatever you want dude, nobody cares"

lol

Noctrine

Oooo, he writes at a 9th grade level (according to this app)

Alex M.

it's the single most honest response I've heard

Icy Defiance

@Noctrine wait really? that's a 9th grade level?

Noctrine

6:17 PM

Had a similar situation, but it was about essay length. The professor ultimately said if we could explain the particular economic theory in a paragraph we were more than welcome.

Icy Defiance

perhaps I should try to find one of my essays from when I was that age, see what it looked like

I might be holding unreasonable standards here

Alex M.

it looks more like 6th grade to me but that's common for 8th graders nowadays

at least here

AttackingHobo

@PsychOPhobiA remove or fix. " I will quote " "Also " "If anyone has they are wrong and they need to understand the truth in history not false history." "Here is an link to very good source,"

Noctrine

@IcyDefiance You probably are.

Alex M.

communist elementary books made use of and implicitly kids had a richer vocabulary than today's high schoolers

it was mostly propaganda

but it was written in a clean and rich Romanian

Icy Defiance

6:19 PM

I just read a lot of fiction books and got my vocabulary from that. then I lost my vocabulary when I discovered the internet. now I just swear at people and tell them they're wrong all the time. :D

MickLH

@Noctrine thanks for the reference to the hemmingway app, this is a lot easier

Noctrine

Video games helped me destroy some friends in Taboo.

Pip

@AlexM. nope, looks like sixth grade to me

being a high-schooler myself

Noctrine

@PsychOPhobiA The sentence - "The reason that none of the history text books never explained how Christopher Columbus exploration lead to the Americas was because no one could really explain it and that it just sounded very confusing." is terrible.

Icy Defiance

@Noctrine hold up, that grade level is "the lowest education level needed to understand your text"

it's not the level of the writing itself

Almo

6:22 PM

@Noctrine that sentence itself is confusing

AttackingHobo

Its very easy to inflate that number though

Longer words, and longer sentences usually do it

Christoph

Trying to help Psycho is noble and I absolutely support it, but stepping back and seeing the gamedev chat help with an essay for a history class seems weird...

MickLH

I really love this tool already

Icy Defiance

@AttackingHobo just mash the keyboard for a few lines.

MickLH

I always type things to people, and worry if I'm going above their reading level

Icy Defiance

6:24 PM

@Christoph we're bored and this is mildly interesting. it's not that weird.

Alex M.

@Almo I'm pretty sure

it's wrong

Noctrine

Christoph makes a good point. Pscyho, I want a followup essay explaining why this is relevant to GameDev on my desk tomorrow.

AttackingHobo

@Christoph game dev is a very wide field. For a lot of us, nearly everything is interesting to some point

Alex M.

grammatically

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Found a few good resources today
- http://www.game-icons.net/ - Lots of simplistic icons for buff/buttons/interface.
- http://www.xnview.com/en/xnconvert/ - Completely free imageformat converter, which i used to convert .dds to .png.

8

Christoph

6:25 PM

@IcyDefiance yes, I absolutely understand that. I'm also procrastinating

AttackingHobo

@William'MindWorX'Mariager star'd

Ok people gotta do some major brain work. Be back later

Christoph

@AttackingHobo true, a good game usually has a good story, and they usually have a made-up in-game "history".

Icy Defiance

@William'MindWorX'Mariager dang it, I wish I had that second one before. when I wanted to convert png to dds I made my own GUI for a command line program just to allow me to run batches with it. -.-

Noctrine

I wonder, what the Americas would have been called if Columbus wasn't so thick.

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@IcyDefiance Hehe

It's rare to find an image converter that's actually free without any catches.

It actually also performs other batch operations. Like resize/crop/frame/add text/etc.

Alex M.

6:28 PM

@Noctrine Land

I'd call any land Land

with an index attached to it

Noctrine

United States of Land[4]?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Sounds awfully inconvenient :P

Alex M.

Cluster of Land[4]

contributing to the entire distributed system called World

MickLH

@AlexM. I thought the exact same thing, lol

Christoph

I think it should rather be universe->galaxy->system->planet->chunk so universe[0][0][0][4]

Noctrine

6:34 PM

Does Land refer to a continent or a country?

Alex M.

I'd say continent

a country is a cluster

Noctrine

So what happens when their are multiple clusters in Land?

Alex M.

well we keep track of multiple clusters

obviously :A

man imagine how awesome that would be

MickLH

spatial partitioning.

Alex M.

each cluster would have specific advantages in executing commands due do the climate and resources

and jobs would be sent appropriately by one central entity

and technically all countries would act in the interest of the whole world

SpartanDonut

6:36 PM

@JoshPetrie thanks. That's why we voted you into office ;)

Alex M.

we could achieve that with androids

Pip

if anyone wants to try out the first build of Envio, you can check it out here. There is not a ton to do yet, but it is progress.

Alex M.

or half-androids

I doubt Bob who's sitting on his couch drinking beer and watching rugby would agree to something like that

Noctrine

If you re-organize properly, Bob wouldn't even know.

Christoph

Let's develop a new world order on hackaday

Alex M.

6:38 PM

@Noctrine hmm

Noctrine

@AlexM. This created a weird mental image for me.

I could picture Bob right up until Rugby.

Alex M.

but if we eliminated bob

we'd reduce the maintenance costs of the cluster containing him

robots are cheaper

this could be all for a good reason in some situations

say, we'd have to leave the planet in an emergency and all resources need to be invested in automatized research

we'd keep a specific # of humans ready to colonize another planet alive

and kill the others to not waste resources

it's ugly when you think of it

but fast forward in that future

and they'd be dying for a good cause

Christoph

@AlexM. the idea of eliminating bob just inspired me to cut a pair of huge cardboard braces so that I can move things out of scope in real life

MickLH

@Pip let me know if you get it running on monogame

Pip

that is Monogame :)

MickLH

6:43 PM

mono choked while loading the XNA stuff for me

Almo

Gonomame!

MickLH

I wonder what I broke lol

Pip

@MickLH hm.... get an error message? Idk what broke

works fine for me and Wardy

MickLH

Unhandled Exception: System.TypeLoadException: A type load exception has occurred.
  at Microsoft.Xna.Framework.GamePlatform.Create (Microsoft.Xna.Framework.Game game) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at Microsoft.Xna.Framework.Game..ctor () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at Envio.Game1..ctor () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at Envio.Program.Main () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
[ERROR] FATAL UNHANDLED EXCEPTION: System.TypeLoadException: A type load exception has occurred.
  at Microsoft.Xna.Framework.GamePlatform.Create (Microsoft.Xna.Framework.Game game) [0x00000] in <f…

Pip

wut

time to do some googling

MickLH

6:45 PM

sorry for the trouble dude, I'd guess it's related to some difference between Mono and .NET

if you're on windows you're most likely using .NET to run it, while i'm using Mono on linux

Icy Defiance

Monogame uses the Microsoft.Xna.Framework namespace, even though it's Monogame

they're a little strange that way

MickLH

Yeah I thought they were kinda compatible

Icy Defiance

> TypeLoadException is thrown when the common language runtime cannot find the assembly, the type within the assembly, or cannot load the type.

Pip

they are kinda compatible, yet

that means XNA => Monogame, but not Monogame => XNA, usually

MickLH

do I need to install XNA to play it?

Pip

6:48 PM

it is definately a .NET vs Mono thing

SpartanDonut

I noticed in the bin folder is a "Windows" folder - can you not target Linux for your build?

MickLH

@SpartanDonut the EXE should be fine, Mono uses that as the code format on all platforms

Pip

I probably can, but I have no idea how

radical

any other info with that exception?

Icy Defiance

@radical not much. msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/…

SpartanDonut

6:50 PM

@MickLH I was curious if maybe building for Windows had different dependencies than Linux or something. I have no clue how it all works honestly :)

Pip

wait a sec

radical

I meant, on the console where that exception got printed

MickLH

that was on the console

it never got out of the console, crashed with that backtrace

Pip

That was a debug release... let me try a full release

radical

right, but no other info on which assembly or which type etc?

MickLH

6:51 PM

I really pasted everything, I even ran mono with --debug

Pip

aah, I can make a Linux release now

hold on Mick :)

SpartanDonut

Boom.

MickLH

cool thanks

radical

try running mono with: MONO_LOG_LEVEL=debug MONO_LOG_MASK=asm

SpartanDonut

Chaz Michael Michaels IS FIGURE SKATING

radical

6:52 PM

Pip, ah

MickLH

@radical pastebin.com/hGqYiCF6

lol

radical

Mono: Failed to load assembly MonoGame.Framework[0xd3f3b0]

MickLH

also no offense @Pip, /media/hdd/Junk is just where I extract archives to

Pip

lol

doesn't matter :)

SpartanDonut

@MickLH honestly I might have to adopt this convention... I dump too much stuff on the desktop and then have to sift through it later

If I know its something not important I could put it in a junk folder for later deletion

MLM

6:54 PM

Just do it in Downloads

MickLH

that's exactly how I came to it ;)

Pip

I have a folder called 'Go Through" :)

MickLH

@MLM Anything into downloads = gone forever*

SpartanDonut

@MLM Sometimes there are large reusable downloads I want to keep

MLM

Downloads is a garbage for me. Not on Windows?

MickLH

6:55 PM

*forever may be a finite amount of time, terms and conditions apply

MLM

I decide when to delete

SpartanDonut

Maybe I should download things I might keep to other locations. Maybe that's my problem xD

That would probably be easier... then I don't have to change any browser defaults

MickLH

@MLM no I mean that my downloads folder is too huge, it's a non-trivial task to find anything in it

Icy Defiance

I always leave things in downloads until I go to clean it out and realize I really don't want to delete something, then I move it somewhere else

MickLH

even using tools, the only way to navigate my DL folder efficiently is on command line, knowing the name already

MLM

6:56 PM

Ahh, I clean it out once in a while. But Show in Folder in chrome helps

MickLH

I just never clean out my DL folder

radical

it tries to find the dll here /media/hdd/Junk/Envio (Build 1.0.0.0)/Windows/Release/MonoGame.Framework.dll

Joe

my garbage 2001 flip phone died... i got an old phone from a friend as a replacement

SpartanDonut

@MLM Yeah. If there is something I might reuse I should "show in folder->move somewhere else" right away. This is probably the better approach

Joe

and verizon wont swap me over, saying that my "new" old phone is stolen... such a bullshit ploy to get me to spend money

MickLH

6:57 PM

@radical that DLL exists, maybe I'll try a path with no spaces

Almo

from the IGDA report "One Hispanic respondent reported submitting two resumes for the same job, one with the real, Hispanic sounding name and one with an Americanized name; recruiters selected the Americanized name, even though the resumes were otherwise identical."

Icy Defiance

@MickLH my parents don't either and now it takes 20 seconds just to load and display everything when they open the folder ._.

it's horrifying

MickLH

haha

I'll top it

Alex M.

so close to 10k rep

better work on it

MLM

@SpartanDonut Exactly. Extract archive.zip to archive/

copy where it should be