Game Development

Ben

12:02 AM

Unfortunately bundles are the only way to do some things.

Unless you want exactly everything in the bundle, you're wasting time and memory on things you don't want

Chris

how big are the bundles you're using?

they huge?

Ben

I was planning on a bundle per map/scene

So, yeah pretty huge. Maybe like 300mb/bundle for each map

Chris

Maybe use multiple bundles then, if there's things you want to reuse between maps

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@Hjorthenify, Did you get in? :P

Ohh

I just saw the star :D

Hjorthenify

@William'MindWorX'Mariager Yes I did! :D

Hbu?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

12:17 AM

Congrats!

Hjorthenify

Thanks :D

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Of course :D

Hjorthenify

Why did I ask.. :P

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I need to get a day off work though :P

I have a shift the night between August 30-31 and have to start September 1. :P

I'm hoping to get rid of that shift

Hjorthenify

:P

TheMuffinCoder

12:48 AM

Jello everyone

How long do you think it'll take to be able to animate like in this video

"Find the Pieces" - A Minecraft Original Music Video

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Chris

1:02 AM

first trick is to create a storyboard of what you want to show and tell

TheMuffinCoder

kk :D thanks for the tip :3

Chris

1:29 AM

this CSharpatron, good so far, manually going through ~170 errors it couldn't automatically convert. but only 170 errors within 50k lines of UnityScript code, I'll forgive it for now. will take a few hours to see how the next step fares once I widdle down all these little things lol

Almo

2:25 AM

@chris don't know if I told you this before, but one of Tallowmere's greatest features is: NO FUCKING HIDDEN DOORS

Chris

Yeah I think you've told me haha

Almo

:)

I really hate hidden doors. Unless they're visible, even if subtle. I hate hitting walls looking for hidden doors.

Chris

yeah

like in Binding of Isaac, you know there's at least one hidden door somewhere, so you're running around dropping bombs in the places you know it might be... gets a bit old

Joe

2:44 AM

theres a patern in isaac

the hidden room is the room that has the highest # of adjacent rooms on the map

or tied for

Pip

night all

@Chris BoI is really good :D

Chris

@Joe true, yeah I look for that most connections/intersections. does get boring though - "cleared the floor! time to backtrack and place bombs and cross my fingers :\"

Joe

i hear ya

Chris

yeah it's fun, I like all the item combos you can get. I suck at dodging bullets though hahaha

Joe

I like the carry over meta game

unlock playable toons for next run etc etc

that stuff draws me in

Chris

2:56 AM

yeah. If I ever do a sequel I'll probably aim for something like that, rather than having everything be available from the get-go, try it out anyway

people like progression haha

Joe

i dont know where the balance needs to be, but it gives me something to keep logging in for

Chris

yeah

Chris

5:44 AM

feakiest pic of Ballmer I've seen:

Ali.S

lol

Ali.S

8:52 AM

anyone here?

need to download xcode... but downloading is hard

Hjorthenify

Im here

user92578

Good day!

Chris

9:16 AM

Ahoy

down from 170 manual errors I had to fix, down to 9 now

Jon

next time read the manual

Chris

"Dear budding Unity developer, If you're gonna make a large project using UnityScript, you're gonna have a bad time. Sincerely, The Unity Team"

Hjorthenify

Why use UnityScript when you have C#? :P

Chris

UnityScript was my gateway drug

psst, hey kid, this is easy!

seriously though, this tool is nifty

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Hjorthenify

9:33 AM

Converted..?

To C#?

Chris

has converted much more code automatically than my previous attempts using other random convertors, not 100% perfect but it tells me as such. lets me tackle one thing at a time

yeah!

there's a couple of syntax things it can't interpret automatically, so it tells me to do it myself

but like, it keeps temp C# files in a holding bay, waiting for me to get everything 100% ready and fixed

Hjorthenify

Nice!

Chris

uses a lot of reflection to assess, yeah I'm hoping this will all work in the end haha

says it supposedly can serialise all the gameobject data from one language to another, like what I have stored already

Hjorthenify

:o

user92578

ass reflection

Hjorthenify

9:44 AM

How have I never heard of this operator before?!
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dn986595.aspx

That's like.. The most usefull thing!

Chris

I think that is a recent thing?

Hjorthenify

Ah yes says 2015

Chris

ah, 2014, msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/dn802602.aspx

2015, right yea

Hjorthenify

That operator should be implemented in any language..

Err

My IDE gives me a syntax err when using it

Chris

need .NET 4.6

user92578

9:51 AM

I should probably pick a task for today

Hjorthenify

Yeah.. Unity is what? 3 something?

EXPLODING TOWERS

:D

Chris

something old, yeah

OMGtechy

.NET 2.0 IIRC, dunno about C# though.

Hjorthenify

Kinda annoying

user92578

@Hjorthenify COME ON MAN

Hjorthenify

9:52 AM

:P

Strange that the syntax isn't supported in earlier versions. Can't the compiler just add the nullchecks in-between?

Lokkij

10:19 AM

An article about the AI that generates Magic cards‌. And hey, it links to my question to Mark Rosewater on Tumblr!

Chris

10:48 AM

cool

Pip

morning GDSE

Chris

morning

wow, yes, a few C# files are converted and live/active now, and their component data has been transferred across from unityscript. I'm pretty happy so far

Lokkij

:D

Pip

Using that converter you linked yesterday or by hand?

Chris

converted code looks pretty clean too. Yeah

Pip

10:52 AM

Nice!

@Hjorthenify you can already use it in some cases

like you can use int? in your param list, and IIRC it means that int can be null

HAHA FUCK YEAH they fixed event shit

PropertyChanged?.Invoke(e)

instead of

var handler = this.PropertyChanged;
if (handler != null)
    handler(…)

Lokkij

Does anyone here own TIS-100?

First achievement: RTFM xD

Esq

hey guys, which one of these sound better?
-arcane
-kreix
-qorum

Chris

11:08 AM

Better how? "Better" is subjective ;) I have heard of arcane -- the other two words perhaps not, so maybe they sound more mysterious

okay, 135 C# files active, game is running, even my savedgame saver and loader is working (though without debug notifications), but yes, this is working, oh lordy

Esq

better for a game name. pronounceable, remembered, cooler

you know, the standard criteria

Chris

hmm

Lokkij

Arcane is a pretty generic name

Chris

yeah

Lokkij

I'm not 100% what a quorum is but it's much easily remembered than kreix

Chris

11:10 AM

Kreix gives 7k google results, Qorum has 58k

Esq

arcane gives millions

user92578

@Chris awesome

Shen Ruki

Broken Mug Engine - SDL OpenGL GUI and font rendering

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Chris

Nifty

Shen Ruki

I thought it was pretty cool.

can you load a video on a surface in SDL or would you have to use OpenGL for that.

This would probably work. ffmpeg.org/about.html

Shen Ruki

11:55 AM

video as an openGL texture would be better though.

Hjorthenify

@Pip I know, but I can't make use of ?. for w/e reason

Kevin van der Velden

@Hjorthenify unity? It's a few versions of the language behind

Shen Ruki

@KevinvanderVelden does include keyboard input in the SDL2 lib a lot more than just a window.

Kevin van der Velden

@ShenRuki wait what are you talking about?

user92578

what does that sentence even mean

Shen Ruki

12:04 PM

You linked my the SDL2 api and said it doesn't include keyboard input functions

Kevin van der Velden

@ShenRuki a) no. b) when was I supposed to do that?

Literally my first message of today was the one to Hjorthenify

Shen Ruki

w/e you're lying it was like 2 days ago.

Kevin van der Velden

Riiiight

user92578

seems legit

user92578

kevin you're lying and you will now be banned

Kevin van der Velden

12:05 PM

Lying is the proper spelling @Tyyppi_77 =p

user92578

yeah i just looked it up

Shen Ruki

keep it dude.

user92578

@ShenRuki prove this

Kevin van der Velden

Jul 26 at 9:08, by Kevin van der Velden

Saying Source games were made with SDL is... misleading

That conversation?

Shen Ruki

I making it up about what you said about keyboard input.

Kevin van der Velden

12:07 PM

Yes I know

I have no idea why

But I know

Shen Ruki

...

"it just opens a window"

you fought me about it.

pist me off

Hjorthenify

@KevinvanderVelden Yeah.. Sadly. It's one of those keywords I'd have a lot of use for

Chris

but checking for null over and over again is fun!

Hjorthenify

Yaaay!

GameObject.FindObjectByTag("Some Tag").GetComponent<stuff>().Call()

Totally fun to do! With null checks all over

Kevin van der Velden

@ShenRuki well, that's your own failing.

Shen Ruki

12:10 PM

don't link the library and tell me it doesn't support keyboard input

Kevin van der Velden

Oke, I won't and I didn't

Because, you know. As repeatedly stated, we were talking about how a specific company uses a library

Martin Sojka

@Hjorthenify ((GameObject.FindObjectByTag("Some Tag") ?? NullGameObject).GetComponent<Stuff>() ?? NullComponent).Call()

Kevin van der Velden

Not about all the possibilities off it

Martin Sojka

701

Q: What do two question marks together mean in C#?

Ran across this line of code: FormsAuth = formsAuth ?? new FormsAuthenticationWrapper(); What do the two question marks mean, is it some kind of ternary operator? It's hard to look up in Google.

c# null-coalescing-operator

Just for reference.

Shen Ruki

dude.. You Gave me shit about it not supporting keyboard input. Im over it.

Kevin van der Velden

12:14 PM

@ShenRuki when?

I'm sorry, but I can't be held accountable for something if it only happened in your head.

Hjorthenify

@MartinSojka How does that even work?

NullGameObject? NullComponent?

Martin Sojka

Null Object pattern

In object-oriented computer programming, a Null Object is an object with defined neutral ("null") behavior. The Null Object design pattern describes the uses of such objects and their behavior (or lack thereof). It was first published in the Pattern Languages of Program Design book series. == Motivation == In most object-oriented languages, such as Java or C#, references may be null. These references need to be checked to ensure they are not null before invoking any methods, because methods typically cannot be invoked on null references. The Objective-C language takes another approach to ...

Shen Ruki

when I said that I would use sdl to move OpenGL objects.

Hjorthenify

Are NullGameObjects actually defined as something?

Kevin van der Velden

@Hjorthenify I don't think unity ships with them, but they should be createable

Martin Sojka

12:16 PM

Those are just instances of classes which are subclasses of whatever you're expecting, and those behaviour is "do nothing".

Shen Ruki

I'm over it.

Hjorthenify

So Call will end up doing nothing

Martin Sojka

Exactly.

Kevin van der Velden

But it won't crash

Hjorthenify

Well ?. operator would be nicer since it results in a null :P

True

Kevin van der Velden

12:18 PM

@Hjorthenify it's actually pretty much the same behaviour except different implementation

But yes, the ?. operator is all kinds of fancy

Hjorthenify

Yeah

user92578

@ShenRuki Good, getting over stuff that happened in your own head is a good thing to do

Shen Ruki

He fucking linked the library dude

You tell me it'

just my head pisses me off quite a bit.

user92578

I'm reading the fucking conversation atm

Chris

Beating a dead horse won't accomplish much. Close the tab, go chill or something, stuff happens, sitting in here ain't helping I'm sure

Shen Ruki

12:20 PM

"I don't even think it supports keyboard input"

I just wanted to tell the kid it was pretty mean.

now you mention its in my head

user92578

Where did he say that?

Chris

We hear you're frustrated, again, beating dead horse etc

Repeating yourself over and over gets old :p

Shen Ruki

gfy

Chris

Cheers

user92578

Kevin was just talking about the Source engine

user92578

12:21 PM

And how that uses SDL

Pip

@ShenRuki chill

anyway, I'm going to go play breakfast then play some games with my bro for a while. Cya all later

Shen Ruki

Typ I don't need it

Chris

lates

Kevin van der Velden

@Pip o/

user92578

@ShenRuki You don't need what?

Hjorthenify

12:24 PM

What's going on here?

Joe

Drama

OMGtechy

Eastenders!

shudder

Chris

lol

OMGtechy

@KevinvanderVelden was helping you. Drop it @ShenRuki

Jesus Christ

Does anybody going to cppcon at September?

OMGtechy

12:32 PM

@JesusChrist I am :D

Jesus Christ

@OMGtechy oh, cool!

Kevin van der Velden

@JesusChrist there's a continent in the way =[

Uuh

OMGtechy

aha

Kevin van der Velden

There's the lack of continent in the way*

OMGtechy

@JesusChrist are you?

@KevinvanderVelden well I'm flying over all the way for lil ol' England ;D

Jesus Christ

12:33 PM

@OMGtechy Unfortunately not. This trip will eat all my savings

OMGtechy

To be fair, it's easier from here being direct and all.

Kevin van der Velden

@OMGtechy but that last bit over the canal is just too much

OMGtechy

xD

Jesus Christ

I wish I could be American

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OMGtechy

@JesusChrist Why'd you ask? :) My work are paying for it ... otherwise I couldn't afford to go either.

Jesus Christ

12:34 PM

@OMGtechy I hope my company will afford it, but the chance is 0.0001%

Kevin van der Velden

Where you from @JesusChrist?

Jesus Christ

@KevinvanderVelden Ukraine

Nazareth.

@OMGtechy Huh :D

Jesus (/ˈdʒiːzəs/; Greek: Ἰησοῦς Iesous; 7–2 BC to AD 30–33), also referred to as Jesus of Nazareth, is the central figure of Christianity, whom the teachings of most Christian denominations hold to be the Son of God. Christianity regards Jesus as the awaited Messiah (or "Christ") of the Old Testament and refers to him as Jesus Christ, a name that is also used in non-Christian contexts. Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed historically, and historians consider the Synoptic Gospels (Mark, Matthew and Luke) to be the best sources for investigating the historical Jesus...

Jesus Christ

12:36 PM

This trip and participation will cost thousands of dollars, and I'm not CTO or something, so I think their answer for me will be no.

@OMGtechy Yes, we know who is Jesus and what is Nazareth)

OMGtechy

If you're a student somehow, it's massively discounted. Plus, you can offer to help out and get a discount.

That's what we did (the helping out) :)

And just checking ;D

Jesus Christ

@OMGtechy Nope, I've already graduated

OMGtechy

Yeah but you could be doing a course on the side or something.

hint

Chris

haha

MickLH

@ShenRuki Confirming that FFmpeg works great for decoding video into OpenGL textures. I've implemented it into a 3D engine before and ran into no significant hardship.

OMGtechy

12:38 PM

That's pretty cool. I'm used ffmpeg quite a bit, but never for that.

Martin Sojka

@OMGtechy I just checked, and the Ukraine is actually (according to polls) more religious than Germany and slightly less than Ireland (most of the Scandinavian countries and the Czech Republic are the dirty heathens, Turkey, Romania, Poland and Italy are among the major religious nuts).

Chris

NZ is mostly Christian, but it's declining

MickLH

Hey, doesn't that graph say it's not mostly christian anymore!

user92578

Thoughts?

user92578

Chris

12:44 PM

true

Looks good

Kevin van der Velden

@Tyyppi_77 the G looks a bit like a 6 I think

user92578

True

Chris

if I'm reading this right, 41.9% of NZers don't affiliate with a religion

user92578

But that's a problem with all the Gs in the game

Chris

stats.govt.nz/Census/2013-census/profile-and-summary-reports/… - "People reporting no religion continues to increase"

MickLH

12:45 PM

@Tyyppi_77 It ever-so-slightly bothers me and I'd like to light it on fire. Good job. It would help me click start over just that much faster.

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user92578

Thanks!

user92578

Martin Sojka

@Tyyppi_77 Make the lower right corner into a hard edge, then?

user92578

6unHero

Chris

yeahhh a space would help

Kevin van der Velden

12:45 PM

I read that as sunhero because of the 6G

Chris

heh

Kevin van der Velden

I don't know why my brain went there

Brains are dumb

user92578

Okay added a gap to both Gs

user92578

Can I somehow edit TTF files?

user92578

And add the gap to the actual font?

Kevin van der Velden

12:47 PM

Well they had to be created somehow =p

sourceforge.net/projects/ttfedit for example

No experience with it, never done such a thing

MickLH

@KevinvanderVelden Yesterday my brain led me to turn and fire a snot rocket, on purpose, as if it wouldn't utterly destroy the conversation I was starting with a girl at starbucks.

Kevin van der Velden

This might be better actually sourceforge.net/projects/fontforge/?source=recommended

Chris

is sourceforge still pushing out adware installers?

Kevin van der Velden

I think it backed off

But it did what with "abandoned" accounts

Chris

ahh

still, so bad

Kevin van der Velden

12:48 PM

Yeah

The owners are selling sourceforge (and slashdot) now by the way

Chris

RIP

user92578

@KevinvanderVelden This doesn't work, because I don't have Java

Kevin van der Velden

I guess they were thinking "We need some way to make money or we'll get sold off"

user92578

I'll try the other one

Kevin van der Velden

@Tyyppi_77 second one maybe, or install java =p

user92578

12:49 PM

No way I'm installing java

Kevin van der Velden

It's useful! It lets you play minecraft

Chris

@KevinvanderVelden thing is, who's gonna wanna buy that now with a tarnished rep? other than unreputable buyers I suppose

Kevin van der Velden

Yeah

Hjorthenify

Lets you access Danish bank systems as well

user92578

Oh right, I haven't played Minecraft for like a year

MickLH

12:50 PM

I swear there was an easy to use font editor some years ago, but I don't remember if you could import TTF or if it was only a final export format

Kevin van der Velden

I'm playing on the unofficial-officialish arqade server: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/28/minecraft-talk

Joe

so ive got a Unity bug/issue that exists only on my android build... not in the editor, would love to throw out some debug messages to the console... no idea how to connect device to run a build with console logging

MickLH

@Tyyppi_77 TTF files have weird shit in them, basically they contain entire programs for deciding how to anti-alias the edges

Joe

@Chris have you done this yet?

user92578

Okay...

user92578

12:52 PM

So looks like the font has a G-gap

MickLH

Make sure to read up on TTF kerning and spacing unless you get really lucky and your font is dirt simple

Chris