Game Development - 2014-10-21 (page 1 of 4)

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12:16 AM

@IcyDefiance .

D:

period of doom!

:D

too many lol player pictures are with their arms crossed. looks dumb

just give me a few minutes to grab some food.

then I'll join you

sure no probelm

12:30 AM

eww login queue

@Almo okay I'm in

ok

was just watching the first game of the final

oh right, perhaps I should watch that too

i'll probably watch all the games

need to learn

12:57 AM

hey guys

are any of you guys good at pixel art?

No?

:/ not me

:(

neither am i

am resorting to wikihow now to learn how to be a good pixel artist

1:12 AM

You might have better luck in the inkspot:

The Ink Spot

GDSE's banter bin. Where we complain about clients, post cute ...

Or on TIG Source's art section

1:24 AM

@TheMuffinCoder I think Noctrine and Grey can help you if you catch one of them online. Neither of them are exactly artists, but both are way better than most of us ugly coders.

2:10 AM

gfycat.com/OrneryRevolvingKangaroo

@IcyDefiance testing out modeling and lighting some 2d art

2:39 AM

@JohnMcDonald you should really look into making Skippy fish more intuitive, here is a suggestion. Pause for 100 milliseconds right when the player taps. so they can more easily see where they clicked at.

Pausing it would make it lose the fluidness that's cool when you're playing well

I don't agree on that one

Analytics with AB testing of where the hotspot is. Then select the option with the best results vs challenge.

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4:00 AM

Has anybody noticed that KSP measures the size of a blast in "awesomeness"?

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Ready for the mun.

4:30 AM

@AidanMueller gfycat.com/FaintDownrightHomalocephale

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that looks wicked

@Chris ha. thanks. I'm making meshes for a 2d game. LOL

its all projected from view from 2d art and then building detailed mesh for them to use with for lighting.

@AttackingHobo Cool, I guess. But what on kerbin is that?

sweet

small section of a shmup level

4:42 AM

Also, spacex uses php.

also setting up materials for stuff like the gems. notice the light reflecting on the gem in the animation(artist is going to remove predrawn specular)

I think they do anyway.

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6:10 AM

I want some help in this

answers.unity3d.com/questions/813453/…

6 hours later…

user92578

12:25 PM

Hey guys!

Hey!

user92578

My philosophy class today was about entities and attributes. I was like "I'm a programmer, I know this s*it"...

Huh. Fore some bizarre reason, YouPorn is looking to sponsor an eSports team: polygon.com/2014/10/20/7013275/…

user92578

"Marketing Director @ YouPorn" :DD

user92578

I have religion homework :(((

12:47 PM

@Tyyppi_77 wat

user92578

?

what's "religion homework"?

stoning 5 nonbelievers on the way home or something?

user92578

Nope, something about savior

funny

user92578

that'd be nice too tough

user92578

12:48 PM

a lot easier

probably not

user92578

yeah

user92578

"but my teacher told me to"

except if you want to skip school the next day

that'd work well

user92578

I really need to figure out something to work on my game today (still have math homework to do tough)

12:56 PM

idea: don't do homework

user92578

nah, math's something that I need to be good at to be able to go where I want to after high school

user92578

also, I'm like the dude who always does his homework

@Tyyppi_77 doing homework isn't the same thing as learning math

user92578

true

even they may sound the same... oh.. wait, they actually don't :D

user92578

1:00 PM

I know math

user92578

I just like to also do math

user92578

"non-equations"

pretty sure nobody "knows" math

user92578

I have no idea what they are actually in english

user92578

like 5x-3 > a3

1:01 PM

I think I know what you mean

mathsisfun.com/algebra/inequality-solving.html

inequalities

user92578

ah yeah

user92578

non equation was a direct translation

so I thought

Math can be fun. I'm just really bad at geometry, which sucks because ~40% of the central exam is about geometry.

user92578

geometry is not my thing either

user92578

1:11 PM

aaaand after a lot of calculations and cleaning ( I don't know the terms in english) the result is: x € R

user92578

aaand that euro mark is close enough

geometry is just hard to remember, not hard to reason about

and remembering things forcefully in this day and age makes no sense

user92578

it's just hard to figure out the correct angle the bear is looking along the pole

ask the bear

user92578

growls

1:16 PM

I just rarely see the path to the solution. Often I'll just figure out some angles or congruence and then I get stuck.

user92578

or try to measure the angle from the exam paper :D

...

user92578

then the answer is "This bear was actually blind, so he wasnt looking at anything"

The rest of the exams are just integrals and derivatives and stuff, so I get fine grades most of the time.

user92578

I haven't got into that stuff yet

user92578

1:18 PM

Vectors and matrices come in the fifth period, so on spring!

user92578

looking forward to it

We're not getting anything on vectors/matrices, I think. :(

user92578

matrices are an optional course for me

user92578

but since I'm on a math heavy classthingy, I picked it

I'll have to choose between statistics and complex numbers soon.

user92578

1:23 PM

how old are you?

17

You?

user92578

16

Geometry was my favorite

one reason I liked physics

I want some help in this

answers.unity3d.com/questions/813650/…

user92578

you have a lot of questions on that website! :D

user92578

1:27 PM

are your tiles going to change during the gameplay @Siddharth?

Wait, physics? I don't see any of the geometry we're learning being applied to physics.

user92578

gtg to eat, brb

user92578

@Lokkij physical areas

user92578

used on graphs

I'm not sure what you mean.

1:29 PM

@Lokkij When you're solving many types of classical physics problems, you have to use geometry to get your constraint equations set up

Huh. Maybe it's the language barrier; I have no idea what you're talking about. :)

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there's an example

.

Oooh, we use that all the time! That's not really what we're learning in math class though.

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the polhode rolls on the herplehode without slipping in the invariant plane

I really did like classical physics

hamiltonian and lagrangian mechanics

i did not like quantum mechanics

Heh, interesting.

Oh, I like quantum physics. I mean, it's really hard, but pretty interesting.

1:36 PM

What I didn't like about it was that I couldn't use any physical intuition on it

you just have to take the experimental results at face value and go from there.

Fair enough

I'm in high school though, so the quantum physics we're getting is probably a lot easier than what you got.

@Tyyppi_77, no all created environment is fixed

user92578

prerender the map into one surface/texture/quad and then render that every frame

are you aware with unity environment

?

user92578

nope

1:47 PM

/me joins

DRAWINGS :D

ohhh.. means I have to remove rendering of each sprite

am I right

user92578

are you sure there isn't something else going on that's creating the performance drop @Siddharth?

user92578

@Siddharth i think so

ya because I just created level only in game

no other task I have done

user92578

basicaly, at load, you would create a new quad or something in Unity and render all the tiles to that

1:49 PM

also I am testing on 512mb android device

user92578

does anyone know how this could be done in Unity?

user92578

I know nothing about it

user92578

Hmm, I really need to design more levels for my game

user92578

currently I have two

if I remove sprite from all wall component then I get enough frame rate

so that I conclude that this things creates problem for me

user92578

1:50 PM

a wall is a collision component?

I have to create ready made single image from designer

ya collision component that remain static

am I right?

user92578

can you adjust the size of those walls?

that is totally maths calculation

nothing special,

user92578

like instead of having one wall for every tile, connect the adjanced tiles into one bigger wall collision component

at present single block size if 40x44 px

no it is not going to possible

because all game levels are not designed yet

and I want to give full functionality to level designer

so creating large brick not work here

user92578

1:53 PM

So instead of this:

user92578

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if I use tiling plugin then there is no performance issue

user92578

you wold do:

user92578

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so what they are doing special

user92578

1:54 PM

with the blue color indicating a collision box

user92578

do you test for collisions currently?

user92578

or does Unity do that?

2

Q: What is the purpose of void *array = *(void **) member + siz * (*p_n);

I am trying to get a protobuf-c example compiled with a C90 compiler (MS VS2012). Within the protobuf-c source code there are two C99 specific things that can easily be changed to be compatible with C90, i.e. variable declaration in the middle of a scope (not allowed in C90) and instantiation o...

c protocol-buffers c99 c89

so how to create level for this type of game??

user92578

1000 collision objects might be a lot to handle

1:55 PM

ya you are right it is consuming

funny comment on that question :)

user92578

@Siddharth that's not the same question you asked before and has nothing to do with this problem

user92578

@Almo #selfpromotation

yeah I need more upvotes on comments. :)

at present I am loading level using following type data

{1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1},
{1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1},

where each 1 and 0 represent different object

user92578

1:56 PM

that might work for you case, some others might use something like Tiled

"instantiation of structs via the .-syntax (e.g. some_struct_type name = {.a=1,.b=2}." man I didn't know you could do that. looks a lot like C#'s but then you don't need the dots. Damn C/C++ are such convoluted languages.

and I am building level in this manner

but how to fit your approach here?

user92578

so do you do collision testing?

yes I can able to do collision testing

user92578

sorry, forget that

user92578

1:57 PM

This is how I do it. It might not be the best way, but it works really well.

user92578

I use Tiled for my maps. It allows me to draw the tiles on one layer (or multiple) and then draw rectangles over those layers, that specify the collision areas

user92578

So the collisions are independent from tiles

user92578

Then I load the tiles to one array that I can loop over and render

user92578

And the collisionboxes on other array, that is much smaller, since big areas filled with tiles are just one big collisionbox

user92578

And use that array for collision testing

1:59 PM

but how to create levels in this type?

all other things I can understand clearly

one block is large and other is smaller

user92578

Well you could do your approach, with an array of 0s and 1s

and then other is medium size

user92578

and then use another array and specify the collision ares there

user92578

do you have a screenshot of your map rendered?

do you want any test level from my side?

user92578

2:01 PM

nah, just an image would do

user92578

of it rendered in Unity

mean you ask about screen shot of level??

user92578

yeah

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at present have just loaded this level

and start pacman movement

user92578

it's really hard to actually see why in the world would this lag

2:04 PM

all these blocks and bubbles costing too much

user92578

Does anyone else have opinions if this should or shouldn't lag?

now are you understand my point, right?

user92578

To be honest, it doesn't seem that much to me

I am testing this level in 512mb ram android device

user92578

Does the level work fine on your computer?

2:05 PM

ya around 60 fps

user92578

and on the android?

in 1gb ram device I got around 55 fps

above I have written about android devices

user92578

and 512mb around 30. right?

right

user92578

hmmm

2:06 PM

if I just set rending off for walls then I got 60 fps in same device

user92578

to be honest, I don't think my tricks will really work for you

so that I conclude that this lag the performance

user92578

the prerendering of the static level would probably be the way to go

because only that I ask about level creation strategy

one point I got from your chat

create prerendered image from designer

and set rendering off to actual wall

user92578

no, you should be able to do that in Unity

2:08 PM

and directly display that image only

how??

user92578

idk, I don't know unity

if it is possible then it is really easy for me

okay so I have to research on that

Does anybody know how you can 'inspect' C# code. Just like FxCop does? I want to know if i can make a tree of methods called and properties/fields accessed by methods.

user92578

VS?

thanks @Tyyppi_77 for help

user92578

2:10 PM

np @Siddharth

VS2013, but I want to do it in code, so I can use that info automatically

user92578

ah

I research on same and reply you if I found any thing new

user92578

@RoyT. System.Console.WriteLine();?

Though it wouldn't be a problem if I had to access a VS-sdk like lib

2:11 PM

are you available same time here regularly?

user92578

@Siddharth usually, but wont be here tomorrow

okay thanks

user92578

anyone can probably help you here though

@Tyyppi_77 haha would be crazy to add that to each method :P

now I have to go for home for sleeping

good night

:)

user92578

2:11 PM

gn

user92578

@RoyT. Well then all I've got is F9

user92578

:D

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:P hahaha

I wonder how they made FxCop

user92578

could you use fxcop?

2:17 PM

I dont think so

there is no FxCop library

user92578

but is there a command line tool?

There is

user92578

could you use that in your code?

Though it seems FxCop is legacy

Whats the new FxCop? :P

"
.NET Compiler Platform ("Roslyn")
The .NET Compiler Platform ("Roslyn") provides open-source C# and Visual Basic compilers with rich code analysis APIs. You can build code analysis tools with the same APIs that Microsoft is using to implement Visual Studio!"

Sounds like what I need

comment on P4 checkin I just did: "Remove redundant line of code that was redundant."

2:27 PM

ohohohohohohoho

:D

2:38 PM

Man this Roslyn stuff is powerfull

Just created an entire syntaxtree, in code, using code.. eh

INCEPTION

It might be too powerfull :P

-l

cheezburger.com/8331215872

2:54 PM

Man this is so interesting... I can really recommend playing with Roslyn

I've got 10 lines of code now, and I can already parse a piece of text, find the class declaration in it, and then iterate over all methods in the class, extracting their names and parameters!

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Smoother webm gfycat.com/FaintDownrightHomalocephale#

giving a 2d game some depth.

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