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12:27 AM
@Shalvenay if I may ask: What is your motivation?
 
@dot_Sp0T I feel like I'm still...more often than not slogging my way through posts for dribs and drabs of reputation. That, and my question-voting habits still seem subpar (especially here on WB -- I've been able to get the Electorate badge on DIY, EE, RPG, and Aviation, but not WB
 
@Shalvenay So your motivation is to gather badges and become famous?
 
@dot_Sp0T Agreed with dot_Sp0T. There is no set goal for Stack Exchange members in the long term. If you're getting what you want out of it, you're giving back, and you're abiding by the letter and spirit of the SE law, then voilà! You've accomplished the only real implied goal of this site.
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@dot_Sp0T well, the Electorate badge I see as the STack telling me something about how it wants users to behave
and I'm also seeing in my tag badge progress (especially on DIY) that not only am I not famous, but I basically am getting a rep/answer that's below what SE itself expects
 
The Electorate badge seems to me to be a way of motivating people to vote on questions. That's it. This badge has likely been created in order to ensure that the whole voting system that SE is based on is actually used.
 
12:34 AM
and it leaves me wondering if I'm just the victim of operating in niche areas where voters are less frequent, or if there's something wrong with the way I answer questions
hey there @WELZ
 
Hello fellow exchangers, I come here lurking from GD.SE
 
@WELZ well shoo get back where you came from, we're a highly distrusting and inclusive bunch here
 
@dot_Sp0T ooh, snarky - however, I'm not intimidated
 
@WELZ well you're a persistent sort yourself. Welcome to The Factory Floor
(I always wanted to say that)
 
one other thing I've noticed is that I'm extremely reticent to downvote questions specifically
 
12:37 AM
@WELZ what can we do for you? :) There's not too much going on here at this hour it seems. But I'll gladly help you where I can
 
@dot_Sp0T thanks, I'm just lurking, I have to see how welcoming you peeps are - if i should join the community... :p
 
@WELZ you definitely should not, it will ruin your life, you'll get less sleep and your mind will get filled with all those vague and crazy ideas that you definitely need to think about right now instead of doing any actual work
But the fact that you're already in the chat tells me that it's too late for you and WB.SE has already got you firmly in its grip
 
@dot_Sp0T thanks and goodbye lmao
@dot_Sp0T nah, I like to check out the famous questions/users/chats on most of the sites, sometimes they are just so intriguing...
 
@WELZ hmm sounds like a solid thing to do. But I think just checking out the top questions will not get you hooked here. Most of the top ones get their fame from catchy titles and content people can relate to when they're on the HNQ. The really intriguing good ones tend to get something around 20-50 upvotes before they shift to oblivion due to answering them being way more time-consuming than just dropping by for a quick 2-liner.
 
oh no, not at all. I genuinely read (waste time) tons of questions...
 
12:47 AM
@WELZ If I may recommend something I would recommend for you to keep looking at the activity feed for a few days. Maybe drop by here again in some 10 hours when more people are around so they can dig out a few jewels for you :)
 
1:08 AM
@Shalvenay gaather more rep from posting good answers? That means being creative and knowledgeable and knowing how to find info on the web. Something more specific to WB is to work on being a better writer, and that will help in real life and other stacks as well.
@dot_Sp0T hey, there are worse things to be gripped by.
@WELZ hello. I've posted a time or two on GD, too.
 
@JDługosz yeah -- I suspect it doesn't help very much that my reading tastes skew hyper-technical.
@JDługosz and yes -- WB isn't particularly great for answers for me because it doesn't touch on my strongsuits that often
@JDługosz but at the same time, on DIY.SE I tend to be pretty heavy on answering and still have problems gathering upvotes on my answers -- and it's sometimes hard telling if it's a global problem (voting base) or a local issue (writing style)
 
@Shalvenay writing style and knowing your audience is pretty important
 
@Shalvenay seems like DIY has high voting numbers, based on what I see on your profile.
 
@JourneymanGeek yeah
@JDługosz two things: 1) those votes are spread across lots of posts (the question inflow rate is very high and it can be hard to cull those down as dupes and such) and 2) it seems like some tags have better voting habits than others
 
@Shalvenay hyper-technical reading habits can work well for WB! Know your way around the subject and and point to the primary information in an answer.
 
1:21 AM
@JDługosz yeah. most WB stuff seems to be more economics, astronomy/astrophysics, biology, and earth-sciences though than what I deal better with (chem/engineering-scale physics, with something of a nod to combat and military history as well)
gov't stuff seems to be a mixed bag too
speaking of that -- what are good sources for models of law, if you will? I'm fairly facile with models of government as a whole, but my thinking on legal systems is very heavily inspired by what the US does...
 
1:44 AM
@Shalvenay that's a difficult question. Most law / government stuff I know began with the fact that we actually addressed such thing in history classes in school, when going through all the periods of history like the classical era with greeks, then romans, etc. so you might get a broad overview from a good history book
 
@dot_Sp0T yeah -- most of the history texts I had in school were too zoomed out for that
 
 
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7:17 AM
@JDługosz His answers show that he could actually be a normal member of WorldBuilding, but he always drowns it in random non-sense like he would do on 4chan and other sites. All of his posts show a lack of willingness to learn after all the time we tried to help him. His posts on Meta are very often just outright trolling and he uses this word himself pretty often.
Personally he's on my troll list for some time now after admitting in chat that he's a troll: I won't discuss things with him. I just vote, comment, edit and flag on his posts. Either he learns what is acceptable around here and his posts become better, or he gets ban/suspension after suspension and we won't have his bad posts anymore. Anything else I have tried in the last ~3 months doesn't seem to work.
 
Good morning
 
Good morning @Hyfnae
 
7:41 AM
@JDługosz Interesting question
 
7:54 AM
I want to ask a question but I don't really know how to word it concisely...
 
@Hyfnae Chat is the perfect place to start and after you have some ideas you can write a draft in the Sandbox
 
I've got this idea for a planet that's ecologically ruined and the lower class basically consists of slaves. If the middle/upper class in a mega city consist of roughly 250m inhabitants, what would the size of the lower class be by approximation?
The megacities are sustained by magical terraforming so around the planet similar mega-cities are the only places where humans can survive.
 
Good morning everybody
 
My first idea would be to look at ancient Rome or Greece when it comes to slaves.
Good morning @dot_Sp0T
 
Any good sources?
 
8:00 AM
Could anybody tell me if these folks are just pulling my leg or if they're serious? worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/a/81637/2746 (talking about the comment section on my answer)
 
@Hyfnae I'd start with wikipedia
 
@Secespitus how r you doing?
 
@dot_Sp0T RonJohn likes to start comment discussions like that
@dot_Sp0T Things are going slowly and next week is an installation. I am pretty sure I won't be around too much then as probably a lot of things will be going wrong
 
@Hyfnae When you say upper classes do you mean everyone who isn't a slave (so including doctors, lawyers etc) or just the aristocrats?
 
@Bellerophon I just finally understood the title of the movie Aristocats
@Hyfnae the small m being Millions or mille?
 
8:06 AM
@dot_Sp0T It reminds me of this meta question. Especially because RonJohn was the first to comment on that specific question, too.
I'd ignore it for now and wait if anybody else has a problem with your answer
@Hyfnae One pretty random citation from that linked wikipedia article "Among the Spartans, for instance, the slave class of helots outnumbered the free by about seven to one, according to Herodotus."
But I'd imagine it depends a lot on the tech-level and whether you allow people to use magic/ magical devices/ ...
 
@Secespitus while your advice seems sensible, I also want to make sure that anyone, that is willing to spend time writing up a comment explaining that they don't understand something, gets a chance to understand it - so I'm more than willing to add additional information or rewrite sections so everyone gets it
 
@Bellerophon The lower class aren't as much slaves as they're oppressed to the point where they either comply or die. They have been dehumanized to the point where they have been stripped of a last name which they can buy for an exorbitant amount of money. The middle class is anyone with a last name and the upper class is the ruling body. And money rules, so anyone rich really.
 
@Secespitus @Hyfnae That sounds pretty high, from the Wikipedia article I work out slaves make up on average (mean) around 28% of the population where slavery is legalised.
 
@dot_Sp0T That is admirable and definitely a good way to go about this. If you want to invest the time then a graphic as you just mentioned in your comment to CandiedOrange would definitely improve your post. I am always a fan of anything similar to sketches. (You already have my upvote, though)
@Bellerophon That sounds reasonable. I only skimmed the text and I don't remember much from my history lessons in school about that topic. It was an interesting number though.
 
Those people in the lower class aren't actual property of someone though. So I don't quite know if the term slave is applicable.
 
8:15 AM
@Bellerophon On the other hand spartans were known for being a bit different compared to normal greeks and the roman empire
@Hyfnae Maybe the caste system of india could be a good read, too, in that case.
 
Yes!
Thank you @Secespitus.
Why didn't I think of that.
 
Glad I could help :D
 
@Secespitus guess I'll whip something up then
 
@Secespitus Indeed. Interestingly though the Greeks seemed keen on slavery with Athens having 60% slaves while Rome only had about 25%.
 
@Bellerophon Regarding the slaves on sparta I mentioned: " according to Critias, they were "slaves to the utmost",[1] whereas according to Pollux, they occupied a status "between free men and slaves".[2] Tied to the land, they primarily worked in agriculture as a majority and economically supported the Spartan citizens."
 
8:20 AM
@Bellerophon the Romans made most of their slaves Romans in order to keep them content
 
You have to give people hope they can escape their fate.
However small the glimmer of hope might be.
 
@Hyfnae Just as you did with the price for the name, right? ;)
 
Exactly.
Only crime or magical arenafighting allows to get that sort of money.
 
I've seen an anime that used something similar in one small scene - basically the fear and despair is greater when people are close to freedom and they thought they escaped everything, because they feel like "I was so close!!"
The glimmer of hope gives them something to strive for
This article about the Helots is pretty interesting: "Helots were ritually mistreated, humiliated and even slaughtered: every autumn the Spartans would declare war on the helots so they could be killed by a member of the Crypteia without fear of repercussion"
 
tyvm, I've got some reading to do to determine the demographics.
You've given me some really helpful pointers.
 
8:32 AM
@Hyfnae That's why asking in the chat first is nearly always a good idea :D Have fun with your research ;)
 
 
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9:36 AM
Graphic is done, glad about any feedback
 
@dot_Sp0T I'd upvote again
 
@Secespitus sycophant
I knew the word would grow on me :D
 
@dot_Sp0T Glad I was able to enrich your vocabulary :D
 
@Secespitus I'm glad too :D
 
 
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11:44 AM
Does any of you know a good tool to design city layouts?
 
11:54 AM
@Hyfnae I don't have any tools, but I remember from reading the Dungeon Master Guide from Dungeons and Dragons that there was a section with some tables you can roll on to get some ideas about a city you are trying to create. This question on RPG.SE might be useful, too.
 
The problem isn't to determine what's in the city, the problem is making a graphical depiction of my city's layout.
 
RPG Maker maybe?
 
I already got all important components of the city and their approximate locations listed and also less important components that are there to make the thing feel real. I just find myself unable to properly draw it so I need an alternative for the graphical part.
 
12:56 PM
@Hyfnae uhm, just place down boxes where the stuff is that you've already defined. Next connect everything with roads. Then add fluff
 
@Hyfnae What's to stop you from just drawing them out in a vector art program like Inkscape? There's so much history wrapped up in the layout of a city, that you can basically make the streets do whatever you want.
Boston, MA, USA has a giant rats nest of streets. Salt Lake City, UT, USA is a highly ordered grid. Both city reflect the evolutionary growth of that city.
 
@Hyfnae Do you mean "draw" as in "street map" or "draw" as in "pretty picture"?
 
@JDługosz I don't listen to polka. It just reminded me of Polka, with a touch of hoedown barn raising music.
 
@Secespitus draw as in just do it. After that you can overlay it with pretty-paper or another layer in your drawing program and retrace only the stuff that looks good
@Hyfnae you might also want to take a look at European cities, especially those in Switzerland, like Zurich, Bern or Basel, Fribourg, Lucerne, stuff like that
 
@dot_Sp0T Seconded. The population density of Paris along and why it's so dense is really good reading too.
 
1:03 PM
@Green or Berlin, for learning what the division of a country can do to a city
 
@dot_Sp0T That is another excellent example.
 
@Green so is Moscow and it's subway network
Or Prague
 
You could also choose a city from a part of the world your audience probably isn't visiting so often and adapt that a bit
 
Hong-Kong comes to mind for any futuristic Cyberpunk settings
 
@dot_Sp0T Agreed. Hong Kong is an excellent example of what super dense cities look like. Should probably make a trip there to see exactly how dense it all is.
 
1:07 PM
@Green well ping me if when you go so we can make a travelgroup
 
@dot_Sp0T If circumstances permit, sure.
 
@Green Smuggle me in your luggage.
 
@NexTerren I travel light. I don't think you'd fit.
Well, I might be able to take your head with me but that's definitely not going to make it through customs.
 
Why did nobody like my answer mentioning the evil-ness of twins? worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/63100/…
 
@dot_Sp0T That question was closed 5 months ago. Probably no one has seen your answer since it was closed.
 
1:16 PM
@dot_Sp0T It's closed, nobody read it
 
Hello @Green and fellow humans!
 
@SerbanTanasa Are you sure everyone here is a human?
 
Why do you people always close good questions
?
 
@SerbanTanasa Hey Servant!
 
@Secespitus Well he implied that Green wasn't human. Which is fair, since he's a color.
 
1:22 PM
@Secespitus I feel dancer
 
@NexTerren Not true. To DaaahWhooosh, I'm just a black hole in his screen.
 
@NexTerren Fair point. But are we sure everyone else is a human?
 
...which still isn't human....I guess I'm not gaining much from that argument.
 
@Green He was color blind, right?
 
@Secespitus Is color blind, yes.
 
1:23 PM
@Green Black holes pull in all light. Including, in your case, green light.
 
@NexTerren So does that make me cooler than all of you since I don't radiate anything?
 
@Green He was color blind. He still is, but he was too.
@Green ...Wouldn't that make you the exact opposite of cool?
Since you retain all of your heat?
 
@NexTerren I guess it depends on where we are measuring. If you're measuring from outside my radius, then I appear very cold. If you're measuring from within my radius, I'd be beyond white-hot.
And so help me if anyone makes proctology jokes.
 
Now that was weird. A lady on the train asked me something in English, but now she's talking German on her phone. I feel like I don't belong anymore..
 
@Green, I think you misspelled 'Savant'
 
1:33 PM
@SerbanTanasa The T is silent and the 'v' is pronounced like a 'b'. Nope, I spelled it right ;)
 
Well, my name is derived from a archaic Romanian term-set that can be interpreted as either "Servant of the Lord" or "Slave Master"
guess which one I favor
you get one guess
 
@SerbanTanasa while you're around, what's the new correct way to VTC idea-generation questions?
 
Too Broad usually
 
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Q: What happened to the idea generation close reason?

Xandar The ZenonWhy is the close reason "idea generation" gone? I have not heard really anything about the change, probably because I don't go on meta too often. Could someone point me to a post about it, or just tell me? I'm reasonably sure it has become the "too broad" close reason, and the very subjective clo...

Use "Too Broad" or "Primarily Opinion Based" as the alternatives.
 
Well, nvm. The question got deleted it seems
Here's the link for anyone that is more powerful than the average me: worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/81704/…
 
1:42 PM
@dot_Sp0T I am not powerful. Which one was it? The Stargate?
 
@Secespitus the Stargate indeed. Asking what to do with the Stargate
I spent like 60 seconds typing out a comment explaining the issue with idea generation
 
@SerbanTanasa I'm just poking your ego a bit. No harm intended. :)
 
oh look, I have 14k rep now. I got so used to 13k...
 
@DaaaahWhoosh I'm looking to forward to 30K. Been at 29K for way too long.
 
I have to come up with questions/answers at some point to stay over 2k...
 
1:54 PM
@Secespitus You get downvoted that much?
 
@Green No, I downvote so much
Well, not much
 
@Secespitus Oh dang!
 
I just don't get any upvotes because I never post anything new :D
 
@Secespitus 190 isn't too bad. I mean, you upvote 17 times as much.
 
@HDE226868 Yeah, I am voting a lot.
It would be so much easier to get to 3k if I could still get rep from edits. We should raise that limit to 4k or something like that :D
 
2:14 PM
@Secespitus If you can make 100 constructive edits in an hour I will give you 1000 rep.
 
yes, yes, you all have very nice e-peens.
 
@Bellerophon I could just go through old questions in one of the bigger tags. But then I would bump all those old questions to the active tab, which would probably not be too well received. So while I'd love to accept that challenge I have to decline it
@James Losing the privilege to edit without needing other people to approve those edits is a reason to be concerned about my precious internet points. Though I still have some time before that
 
@James, It's mostly about the e-size, after compression.
 
@Secespitus You reckon you can do an edit every 40 seconds? I doubt my Internet could manage that.
 
@Bellerophon We will never know ;)
 
2:22 PM
@Bellerophon so many edits in such a short time sounds like a recipe for bad edits. That's less than a minute to read a question, see things that can be improved, type them out, and move on to the next question...
 
@AndyD273 Depends on the edits, I can see updating grammar/spelling in that timeframe, but it'd certainly be too fast for changing content effectively.
 
you could line up all the edits in different tabs, then submit them at the same time
 
That's true... Ok, loophole accepted.
Oh, so I watched a new anime last night called Blame! on Netflix... It was an interesting take on the "Terminator style" genre, and some interesting world building too.
 
2:39 PM
"Terminator style"? Like, naked, and then biker clothes?
 
@DaaaahWhoosh Like AI sending humanoid killer robots to kill any humans it finds, and humans living in the wreckage of an seemingly endless mega city that keeps getting bigger
 
oh, that makes more sense
 
While a guy dressed in black, who may or may not be cyborg, is trying to save people and find a way to stop the machines from killing everyone.
Well, he's definitely a cyborg, just don't know how much
And the city is so big. They ask the guy in black where he comes from, and his answer is something like "6000 levels below"
 
oh, but is it CGI? It seems like it is, and that makes me really not want to see it
I tried watching Knights of Sidonia, but found it to be absolutely terrible
(only slightly better once I switched from dub to sub)
lol wrong window
 

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