The Frying Pan

ElendilTheTall

8:21 AM

@Jay nice one. And it all started after you bought my inspirational photographs ;)

Journeyman Geek

8:32 AM

@Jay yay!

Jolenealaska

8:44 AM

Yay Jay! Have a puppy:

Stephie

@Jolenealaska Awwwww. Cute!!!

Good morning, all!

Jolenealaska

Mornin @Stephie

Take a look at this:

today.com/news/…

No surprize of course that he was chosen.

Notice anything interesting about the cover, aside from the subject?

Dragon is refusing to play.

Stephie

@Jolenealaska Well, what everyone likes to ignore is that "person of the year" just means "made the news" not "did something good". I'm not sure Trump knows this, though.

@Jolenealaska you mean the damaged chair, the grey face and the facial expression?

ElendilTheTall

9:01 AM

morning ladies

Morning!

how you doing?

Coughing...

oh dear :(

chesty or tickly?

Stephie

9:19 AM

@ElendilTheTall not sure yet. I hope it won't "slip down" towards the lungs.

ElendilTheTall

fingers crossed

Stephie

Thanks to the underage crowd...

working today?

Nope.

what's on the cards?

9:20 AM

One more day / training and planning session next Wednesday.

Jolenealaska

@Stephie None of those strike me more than the "devil's horns" made by the M in Time. There's no way they didn't mean to do that.

ElendilTheTall

@Jolenealaska haha

Stephie

@ElendilTheTall Christmas shopping (online), planning and kiddie pampering.

(And the usual household duties, of course.)

I just cancelled my bakehouse shift - smoke, food for sale and coughing don't go together.

Jolenealaska

Smart lady!

BRB, this time I'm going to hardboot.

ElendilTheTall

aren't they at school?

Stephie

9:27 AM

@ElendilTheTall sick. Where do you think I got that stupid cough? ;-)

ElendilTheTall

oh

of course

Sherlock Holmes, I ain't

Stephie

I'm doling out paracodin (dihydrocodeine). :(((

ElendilTheTall

is that a bad thing?

Stephie

Well, it's the "big weapon".

Jolenealaska

Finally!

Dragon is back.

Stephie

9:40 AM

Yay!

Jolenealaska

I soft booted twice. I was feeling a little nervous that time.

ElendilTheTall

it strikes me that dragon kinda sucks balls

Jolenealaska

It keeps trying to sell me a $100 upgrade.

Journeyman Geek

._.

Jolenealaska

The media has picked up on the devil's horn thing. It has also been noted that the pose is strikingly similar to that of Adolf Hitler when he was Man of the Year in 1938.

ElendilTheTall

9:48 AM

eesh

Jolenealaska

@ElendilTheTall I wonder whether it's really Dragon that is the problem, it may just be too hoggy for my poor old machine.

ElendilTheTall

his media team should have picked up on that

@Jolenealaska that too

but it shouldn't have to be that hoggy

Jolenealaska

ElendilTheTall

hmm

not that similar

Jolenealaska

Whaddya you think?

ElendilTheTall

9:52 AM

there are similarities

but I wouldn't say they were striking

Jolenealaska

I don't think so either. That could be a totally innocent similarity. Perhaps a few people involved chose the pose to look like Hitler, but perhaps not everybody.

The M though? That was intentional.

ElendilTheTall

well, one thing's certain

the next four years aren't going to be boring

unfortunately, I believe there's a Chinese proverb about that...

Jolenealaska

Speaking of Trump, he has made some interesting appointments lately. The most frightening is Scott Pruitt as head of the EPA.

@ElendilTheTall Yes

ElendilTheTall

what about someone called "Mad Dog" as Defence Secretary?

that's the kind of level-headed chap you want in charge of a military budget bigger than the next 26 countries combined :/

Jolenealaska

Ambassador to China is an interesting pick too.

That one I don't actually disagree with, but it seems to be a major departure from his pugilistic attitude thus far.

ElendilTheTall

10:02 AM

it's hard to separate his bluster from the real guy I think

Jolenealaska

I wondered what the Quid pro quo was going to be concerning him. (Governor of Iowa, endorsed Trump)

ElendilTheTall

he's not stupid

he may not have the best motives, but he's not an idiot

Jolenealaska

I don't know, I'm finding his continued rants against SNL to come across as pretty idiotic.

ElendilTheTall

true

Jolenealaska

Maybe he can have the first amendment repealed while he's in office.

ElendilTheTall

10:05 AM

that's his weakness, his ego

ElendilTheTall

10:16 AM

do me a favour folks

I'm putting together a little online questionnaire for people who have signed up for tuition so I can determine where they're at and what they want to learn.

have a look and see if you can think of anything that needs adding/removing/improving

northawayphotography.com/tuition/questionnaire

you don't need to fill it in, natch

Stephie

Is "this afternoon" soon enough for you?

ElendilTheTall

pfff

yes, of course dearest :)

Stephie

Good. Because I have literally my hands full atm.

ElendilTheTall

she says, typing with her hands ಠ_ಠ

;)

Stephie

One pinkie!

Jolenealaska

10:29 AM

As well as I can say, it looks good. But, I don't have any kind of basis to judge.

ElendilTheTall

I mean, put yourself in the shoes of someone who's just booked tuition

Is it overwhelming?

Does it make sense?

Journeyman Geek

@ElendilTheTall looks good, insofaras I don't know crap about cameras ;p

but not overwhelming at all

ElendilTheTall

👍

Jolenealaska

It does not seem to be asking for too much, as far as how much typing or thinking the user would have to do to fill it out. You don't have the 'starting at' price hidden behind dozens of menus...

The questions seem appropriate

ElendilTheTall

10:47 AM

cool

ta

James Wilson

hello guys. i want to remove protein scum from soups made with fish. i believe this is the item i need: ebay.co.uk/itm/…? however will it remove fish oil and saturated fat?(i dont want this removed). in some descriptions for these it says it removes oil and fat.

ElendilTheTall

looks like it will remove anything too big to go through the mesh

James Wilson

does that include fish oil and sat fat or no idea?

Jolenealaska

That will remove some of the fat, just what clings to the solids that it removes. Liquid oil will pass right through it. Saturated fat at cold temperatures can congeal into larger pieces that will be held up by strainer.

If you strain the stock while it's hot, you won't strain away a lot of fat.

James Wilson

so when using on a soup, it shouldnt remove sat fat or fish oil, except that which is attached to the scum.

ElendilTheTall

10:58 AM

woot, I've just got two and half weeks' off using only nine days holiday :D

Jolenealaska

How many days do you automatically get off for Christmas?

ElendilTheTall

legally, just Christmas Day, Boxing Day and New Year's Day

with days in lieu when they fall on weekends

but at this place we get the week off between xmas and new year

one of the few perks

Stephie

@ElendilTheTall oh? Neat! Here, it's your bad luck if they are on a weekend.

ElendilTheTall

yeah

so this year we'll finish on the 23rd and then the bank holidays are 26th and 27th

next year, Easter falls late

so we have Good Friday off, then Easter Monday

then May 1st is a bank holiday

Stephie

11:14 AM

Do you have to use vacation days for between xmas and new year?

ElendilTheTall

so I have booked off the 4 remaining days after Easter Monday, and the 5 days the week after that

Stephie

@ElendilTheTall wise!

ElendilTheTall

18 days off, 9 days holiday used

that would get me shot dead in America

by the CEO

@Stephie no

it's just a kind of perk

it's so ridiculously quiet that it's not worth us coming in

the boss pops in for a couple of hours to check the phones etc

Stephie

@ElendilTheTall Some of our collegues love to work the first week of January for exactly that reason: finally getting things done without constant interrupts.

Last day of school here is Wednesday the 21st. So a tiny bit of time before the actual holidays.

ElendilTheTall

@Stephie so are your hands still full?

Stephie

11:23 AM

@ElendilTheTall not really. Have to feed the minors, then check the questionnaire.

ElendilTheTall

tsk, priorities

;)

chicken soup?

Stephie

@ElendilTheTall yep.

ElendilTheTall

nice

Jolenealaska

@Stephie What do you think of the Time cover? (The devil's horns and similar posing to Hitler)

Stephie

@ElendilTheTall makes totally sense and isn't too overwhelming. I like the detailed explanation, e.g. where to find the lens data. And the last box about visual clues / example photos is a great idea.

ElendilTheTall

11:36 AM

_o_

thanks folks

Stephie

@Jolenealaska I can't see a particular similarity between Hitler and Trump - there are only so many poses for a portrait. The 'M' may or may not be intentional, but the outcry isn't new either - see the two tiny tips of the 'M' on the 2013 cover with Pope Francis.

Jolenealaska

11:52 AM

Another cover with Trump has those too.

Stephie

What I find way more interesting is the visual langue with the chair.

James Wilson

guys, what about this one: nisbets.co.uk/Vogue-Skimmer-8in/J674/ProductDetail.raction

ElendilTheTall

dude

we're not familiar with the exact physical properties of every kitchen tool on the market

James Wilson

oh well thats fine, if u dont know, just say

Stephie

And for me, a simple large spoon was always enough.

ElendilTheTall

11:56 AM

@JamesWilson who would know?

Stephie

^^ agreed!

ElendilTheTall

what are the chances that the three of us would have had the exact same tool with the exact same use case?

James Wilson

seasoned cooks might know how effective these tools are

ElendilTheTall

at removing protein scum but not saturated fat from boiling whitebait?

James Wilson

well u dont need the exact same tool, if you ever used a 'vogue' skimmer u might know what that does

Stephie

11:57 AM

@JamesWilson seasoned cooks, and I mean the really good ones, stick to very few, very basic tools.

Journeyman Geek

you could just use a spoon to skim off scum ;p

ElendilTheTall

@JamesWilson but no one would care about removing relatively small amounts of saturated fat along with protein scum

James Wilson

well jolene seemed to know, she answered it before

Journeyman Geek

just dip it in cold water every now and then

ElendilTheTall

unless they had your specific dietary needs

@JamesWilson based on common sense

Jolenealaska

11:58 AM

The finer the strainer, the more fat you will skim off along with solids. At what degree of fineness you will find the ultimate strainer for your needs is outside of a reasonable thing to expect us to know.

Stephie

That is what everyone of us would have said. It's obvious.

James Wilson

well like i said, the descrition said they remove fats and oils, so i was double checking

Stephie

If larger than the holes or sticking to sth. else.

Besides, the scum won't hurt you. It's largely a visual thing.

Stephie

12:14 PM

Off to grab a coffee (and possibly steal a few cookies...). See you later!

ElendilTheTall

o/

Jolenealaska

I need to jump in the shower. Back soon.

ElendilTheTall

o/

Jolenealaska

1:16 PM

I'm not walking well enough to shower just yet. So, still here?

ElendilTheTall

of course

I'm always here

no place else to go

Jolenealaska

Captive audience!

Spoiler maybe... Do we know that the Night's King is the same guy that we saw attacked by the children? Could the current one be a descendent of that one?

ElendilTheTall

i assumed he was the same

Jolenealaska

That's what's got me wondering. A pretty big assumption, no?

I've found a new (to me) maker of Game of Thrones videos who I like.

ElendilTheTall

1:32 PM

@Jolenealaska why?

you saw the guy being made

then you see the same guy later

Jolenealaska

When do we see the same guy again? Perhaps played by the same actor, but are we sure it's the same man? It could very well be that I'm missing something.

gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Night's_King

ElendilTheTall

we're talking about this guy right?

gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Night_King

Stephie

Meh, no cookies.

ElendilTheTall

booo

Jolenealaska

@ElendilTheTall Yes. That's the 13th Lord Commander of the night's watch.

Stephie

1:39 PM

But saves my hips - what I don't eat needs not be worked off.

ElendilTheTall

@Jolenealaska is it?

where is that written?

Jolenealaska

Mormot was nine-hundred something

ElendilTheTall

why was there a Night's Watch before there was a wall and white walkers to watch for?

@Stephie no comment

Jolenealaska

It was during the war that the wall was built. One of the videos I just watched touched upon it, quoting the HBO history that uses the same actors.

ElendilTheTall

ok

well, I see no reason to assume that he's a different guy from the original

people like to make shit up for some reason

Jolenealaska

1:43 PM

I'm not assuming anything.

I just found myself wondering if I am in fact making assumptions.

ElendilTheTall

If you are, it would be a perfectly reasonable one

if you're wondering if you're making assumptions about that, then you can do the same for pretty much anything, ever

Cindy

Morning guys. Just stopping in for a sec before I head out.

hi cindy

How's it going?

Hi @Cindy

1:48 PM

@Jolenealaska How are you doing?

Stephie

Hi @Cindy!

ElendilTheTall

the gang's all here

Jolenealaska

@Cindy I'm fine. I've got appointments later to get ready for. You?

Cindy

@Jolenealaska Same as always. Nothing new, good or bad.

Jolenealaska

:) No news is good news

Cindy

1:52 PM

So they say.....

Jolenealaska

Have you seen the Time Magazine Person of the Year cover?

Cindy

Yep.

Jolenealaska

Do you think the "devil's horns" were intentional?

ElendilTheTall

2:07 PM

gosh today is going slowly

@Stephie how's your chest?

:D

as in your cough

Stephie

@ElendilTheTall :P

Reasonably well. Not fit for exercise, but ok-ish.

ElendilTheTall

well, if this isn't the neatest logo I've ever seen, I don't know what is: imgur.com/nKRh6ID

Jolenealaska

That is neat :)

Cindy

@Jolenealaska Sorry. Had a phone call. I tend not to read into those things. Whether it was intentional or not, someone 'saw' it. Now it'll be rehashed over and over. It's not worth thinking about.

ElendilTheTall

@Cindy Thank you

what oft was thought [by me] but ne'er so well expressed

Jolenealaska

2:13 PM

Jeez, I'll just take my toys and go home! ;)

Cindy

@ElendilTheTall You're very welcome. :)

@ElendilTheTall Cool logo.

ElendilTheTall

@Jolenealaska New from Mattell! Conspiracy Barbie! With Tin-Foil Hat!

:P

Stephie

@ElendilTheTall great!

Cindy

@Stephie I think I caught what you have.

ElendilTheTall

damn computer viruses

Cindy

2:17 PM

Lol!

ElendilTheTall

:)

Stephie

@Cindy Oh! Hope it's not mould-related! Get well soon!

ElendilTheTall

way to scare the woman @Stephie

"hope it's not asbestosis!"

Stephie

Hey, they have been dealing with it before. IIRC, Mr. Cindy even had to go to the hospital.

Cindy

@Stephie Probably is. Without knowing how long it's been there, it would be difficult to prove but, it seems that it may be why we've both had more instances of sinus infections and bronchitis the last few years.

Jolenealaska

2:22 PM

@Catija imgur.com/r/pics/axWFe

Stephie

@Jolenealaska broken link?

Jolenealaska

Hmmm, it works fine for me.

It's a modified onesie. NASA spacesuit.

Stephie

I see the thumbnail.

Jolenealaska

weird

ElendilTheTall

that kid has a very ovoid head

Jolenealaska

2:41 PM

Possible spoiler:

Stephie

@Jolenealaska Ok, works on my regular old laptop. Not on the iPad, though.

Jolenealaska

Aarrgghh

ElendilTheTall

Just a tv show, jojo, just a tv show

Jolenealaska

I'm just making conversation

ElendilTheTall

lol

Have you heard about the emperor's new clothes?

Jolenealaska

2:49 PM

Cindy

Seriously?

Cindy

3:15 PM

Later guys! Hope you all have a great day! 😀

Jolenealaska

3:26 PM

@Cindy No, not seriously.

@Cindy Later!

ElendilTheTall

give him a couple of years

christen

3:42 PM

Hello all, is melted butter more oily than room temperature butter, both having the saME WEIGHT?

ElendilTheTall

hello! define oily

Stephie

Hi @christen! Same weight, same compounds, methinks. What do you mean by "more oily"?

christen

overALL fat content in the cookie, i meant

ElendilTheTall

oh

no

fat is fat whether it's melted or not

Stephie

Unless you "boiled off" some water, no difference.

christen

3:45 PM

if i would give that product for a fat analysis to a lab, would it register more fat?

ElendilTheTall

why would it?

christen

but they say, if you would to substitute oil for butter, they say use less oil

ElendilTheTall

yes, because oil is basically 100% fat, but butter isn't

butter is about 80% fat

it has nothing to do with the phase state of the actual product

christen

ok now i see. yes butter is butter melted or solid

ElendilTheTall

👍

christen

3:48 PM

what if i used clarified butter?

ElendilTheTall

you would treat that like oil

christen

would that be same as oil?

ElendilTheTall

more or less yes

Stephie

Pretty much, yes.

christen

ohh, ok, so i would use less clarified oil

Stephie

3:49 PM

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A: Does sputtering butter mean that water is present?

Yes, your butter contains water - which is perfectly normal. While oil is 100% fat, butter is only around 80%1 fat plus some protein and ca. 15% water. Regarding your question where the water comes from - If you look at how butter is made, it becomes obvious that the water was there from the ...

ElendilTheTall

@christen you would use about 80% of the unclarified butter weight

christen

so when it finishes sputtering that meaNS the water is gone

ok i got it thank you

Stephie

@christen yes. But you still have the milk solids, either on top and / or at the bottom.

That's what browns and gives the nutty flavour of brown butter. (Aka nut butter)

christen

so would i use the milk solids? or just discaRD?

ElendilTheTall

up to you

they're extra flavour

what are you trying to achieve?

Jefromi

3:53 PM

("nut butter" definitely needs some context, sounds like the generic name for peanut almond cashew butter etc without it)

Stephie

@christen some cookie recipes explicitly use brown butter.

@Jefromi beurre noisette

christen

just trying to make good cookies, solid butter wont give me good results, so just using melted and cooled

ElendilTheTall

hmmm

never had a problem with solid butter personally

what results are you looking for that you aren't getting with solid butter?

Stephie

There was that article at ATK?

Jefromi

@Stephie "buerre noisette" is clear, just the translation that isn't

christen

3:56 PM

just trying tu use less flour

Jolenealaska

8

Q: Difference in cookie texture if we use melted vs softened butter

I would like to know the difference in the final result if we use softened butter or melted butter in an ordinary cookie recipe. A few days ago i baked chocolate chips cookies i waited for the butter to get the room temperature and then i smoothed the butter with the mixer (...) and at the end ...