The Frying Pan

9:01 PM

I don't know if I have any salsa or not. I should get some if I don't. Then this whole thing could end with a really good, long lasting, guacamole recipe.

Assuming of course that the salsa doesn't mess up the preservation.

Cerberus

Yay!

You could make a separate mash with all the ingredients but the avocado, lime, and vitamin C, and add it to the guacamole base just before serving.

Or...smear a layer of the separate stuff on top of the base stuff and only mix them while dipping?

Jolenealaska

If the other stuff interferes with keeping it green, sure.

Cerberus

As you suggest, it might very well not interfere...

If even lime juice doesn't interfere...

Onions and the herb-that-be-not-named certainly won't.

By the way, you said vitamin C was flavourless?

But it's ascorbic acid, so it should taste acidic? Or did you mean compared with lime juice?

Jolenealaska

So, longer term storage in the fridge is my last bit of experimenting. Yep, no taste at all.

Tom W

Is 'acidic' a flavour in itself?

Cerberus

9:13 PM

So...when I take a vitamin C pill, it tastes very acidic.

I thought it was the ascorbic acid itself that tasted acidic.

But...it's not? There is something else in vitamin C pills, which tastes acidic?

Tom W

That was self-referential

Jolenealaska

somewhat, there was no taste to it using 100mg per 50 grams of avocado

Cerberus

@TomW What was?

@Jolenealaska Ah, I see. So it might be the small quantity.

0.2%.

Tom W

@Cerberus everything you just said. You're defining the taste of whatever it was you were eating as the taste of that thing, then asking why that thing tastes of that

Cerberus

I did not?

Jolenealaska

9:16 PM

A lot of Vit C pills have orange

Cerberus

Normally, I would assume all acids taste acidic. But, in this case, I suspended that assumption.

Jolenealaska

This looks fun:

Cerberus

And rightly so, because a very small quantity of acid can barely be tasted, which is why it barely tasted acidic.

Jolenealaska

oreo.tumblr.com/post/105552729898/…

Cerberus

Hilarious.

Jolenealaska

9:18 PM

And this looks yummy:

murrayscheese.com/appenzeller-kaserei-tufertsch.html#

Cerberus

Raw-milk cheese is the best.

I thought it was forbidden in some places...

Tom W

@Cerberus what do you mean by 'tastes acidic'?

What does acidic taste like?

Cerberus

I assume you know that.

Tom W

I accept that there's something in common between, say, lemon juice and vinegar. But it's more of a sensation, something different to taste. It makes one salivate, sure.

Assume less.

Jefromi

@TomW Am I missing something? Acids taste sour. That's what's in common between lemon juice and vinegar.

Cerberus

9:24 PM

Any conversation about flavours becomes much more difficult if one cannot assume that one's interlocutors share a general idea about what the 5 basic flavours taste like.

Jefromi

@Cerberus ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17995690

Cerberus

I think my assumption was efficient and justified...

Tom W

I've never tasted vitamin C without an artificial 'orange' component to it, to be dissolved in water

It doesn't have any resemblance to either of those things to me

Jefromi

Relatively recent, so maybe there's not an awful lot of literature on the details.

Tom W

I think it also contains sorbitol or some other artificial sweetener

Jefromi

9:25 PM

For vitamin C I'd assume that you're tasting something with nowhere near the same concentration.

Cerberus

@Jefromi Mm ahh.

@TomW I have. It's very sour.

@Jefromi What do you mean?

Jefromi

It looks like it's possible to get a pretty low pH with enough ascorbic acid though.

Cerberus

The pill Jolene used was 90+% vitamic C, I believe, as was the pill I took.

Jefromi

I thought that in most of the practical situations you end up actually tasting something containing vitamin C, it's pretty low concentration - wasn't talking about grinding up a pill and tasting it, for example.

Cerberus

That was what she did.

I think.

Grind up a pill and mix it with avocado.

100mg of vitamin C is what she used, with 50g of avocado.

Jefromi

9:28 PM

Was directed more at Tom's comments about it not seeming like lemon juice or vinegar.

Cerberus

How much is that? Half a pill, I don't know.

Tom W

Apparently it is as simple as acidity = sour, although this was only discovered fairly recently. And apparently it's easily masked by other taste receptors

Cerberus

A thing can be acidic without tasting acidic.

Tasting is subjective. If you taste something acidic, that means you perceive its acidity by tasting it.

Jefromi

@TomW Yes, sweetness masks acidity. And the recentness of the discovery is more about precisely what the receptors are sensing. The knowledge that acids taste sour is really old.

Cerberus

Right.

It seemed unlikely for avocado to mask a significant acidic taste so easily.

But the reason must be the small quantity of acid, she said she could taste a little bit of acidity later.

Jolenealaska

9:33 PM

I'm putting together what's shaping up to be a great salad for lunch.

samsclub.com/sams/taylor-farms-southwest-chopped-salad/…

Jefromi

I am making (possibly not all today) stollen, chocolate crinkles, chewy chocolate ginger cookies, persimmon cookies, and pecan brittle!

Jolenealaska

chicken thigh pieces I sous-vide in a spicy gravy, chilled corn and diced avocado to roung it out. Yummy!

persimmon cookies?

Jefromi

Haven't tried before, but: allrecipes.com/recipe/persimmon-cookies/…

Jolenealaska

Interesting! I don't think I've ever tasted persimmon.

Jefromi

I've had a lot more since moving to California.

Cerberus

9:40 PM

@Jefromi A kerststol?

Jolenealaska

@Cerberus I weighed it out on my gram scale. It would be 1/5th of these pills 'cause they were 500mg

Cerberus

Jefromi

I'm using this recipe I think: seriouseats.com/recipes/2014/12/… and I only knew the German word before, but looks like yes!

Cerberus

@Jolenealaska Ah OK, makes sense.

@Jefromi Hmm interesting.

Jefromi

Christstollen -> kerststol, woohoo, I speak Dutch now!

Cerberus

9:42 PM

In Dutch, the singular is stol.

And we call the stuff that goes into it "almond spice", not marsepein ("marzipan").

But both are made from almonds.

Jefromi

Yeah, I had to double-check that stollen was singular.

Cerberus

Apparently, German has both Stollen and Stolle as singular, and it means "tunnel"...

Jolenealaska

2 cops shot, sitting in their car, in Brooklyn. 1 dead, 1 critical.

ElendilTheTall

9:58 PM

Evening all

Jolenealaska

Hi Tall!

I've been up to no good!

ElendilTheTall

That goes without saying

Jolenealaska

I've got all kinds of new avocado data.

Vit C is the key!

Jefromi

Onion is the key!

Jolenealaska

Add vit C and you cant make avocados brown.

onion works too. Very well.

ElendilTheTall

10:01 PM

So soak it in blackcurrant juice?

Or rosehip juice

Jolenealaska

oops. not that one that was actually 21 hours.

ElendilTheTall

Well, kudos

(if you were talking about steak or something I'd be a lot more enthusiastic)

As it is I would rather eat my own arm rather than an avocado.

Jolenealaska

I've got one more thing to do. To take all the best options, and put them in the fridge, sealed.

ElendilTheTall

I need to ask you something. It's important.

Deep breath

Jolenealaska

OK

ElendilTheTall

10:07 PM

In words, how you do you pronounce '2014'

How do*

Jolenealaska

twenty fourteen

ElendilTheTall

<hugs>

Jefromi

two hundred one, four!

Jolenealaska

1976 = Nineteen seventy-six

Jefromi

In the year twenty-hundred...

ElendilTheTall

10:09 PM

The number of people still saying 'two thousand and fourteen'! Nnnnggggg

Jolenealaska

2006 In the year aught six

or ought, apparently both are correct

ElendilTheTall

Isn't 'aught' an archaic form of 'anything'?

'is there aught i can do?'

Jolenealaska

yes,. and nothing apparently

ElendilTheTall

Hmm

Jolenealaska

Names for the number 0 in English

There are many names for the number 0 in English and related concepts, and there are concomitant names for the decades whose tens column contains the number 0. The names for the number 0 include "zero", "cipher", "null", "naught", "nought", "love", "duck", "nil", "zilch", "zip", (the letter) "o" (often spelled "oh"), "aught", and "ought". There are various subtleties of usage amongst them all. Some usage of these terms is driven by a desire to maintain an explicit distinction between digit zero and letter O, which, because they are both usually represented graphically in English orthography (and...

Jefromi

10:12 PM

Twenty-love-six.

ElendilTheTall

Sounds like a good Saturday night!

Well, my Christmas food shopping is done

I couldn't find a lone Turkey breast so I bought a small crown (both breasts on the bone)

Brisket is got

Croissants for breakfast

Buttloads of chocolate and cream to make dessert

The open invitation to all chat regulars stands.

Jolenealaska

CN says he is going to take me out. Hmmm...he has said that before.

ElendilTheTall

Anyone who can make it to my New York penthouse is welcome

I hope he does, i don't like to think of you on your lonesome on Christmas Day

Jolenealaska

For some reason Christmas never bother me. It's Thanksgiving that gets me melancholy.

ElendilTheTall

That's America for you

Jolenealaska

10:21 PM

Maybe it's cause Christmas is a religious holiday that I only celebrate in a secular way, so it's not "real" to me.

And I've already opened my biggest present.

And Christmas in my family home always involves huge drama. I'm glad to not witness that.

ElendilTheTall

The perception here is that thanksgiving is more important to Americans in general than Christmas.

Whereas here, lacking TG, Christmas is the biggy even though the country is largely secular

Well, I better retire. Have a good 'un

Jolenealaska

Christmas is bigger to most, I think. Die hard atheists are the exception.

G'night!

Cya Monday morning! :)

or are you off next week?

Jolenealaska

10:41 PM

@Cerberus Tall thought it was a 4 too :)

That's part of the reason I used printed numbers this time.

Cerberus

Haha OK.

Jolenealaska

11:12 PM

The other cop died. 2 cops in Brooklyn, shot and killed in their car. The shooter is dead too.

Jefromi

@Cerberus If you believe the packaging, it's marzipan or "almond candy dough".

Cerberus

Ah.

I suppose you have a broader definition for marzipan.

@Jolenealaska Most unfortunate. Was there an immediate cause?

Jolenealaska

Not much has been released yet.

It doesn't look like there was any sense to it.

foxnews.com/us/2014/12/20/…

Just cops must die.

They haven't said anything yet, but they probably had wives and kids.

Cerberus

11:28 PM

Violence sucks.

Jolenealaska

Yes it does.

Cerberus

Let's kill the bastards who did...oh.

Jolenealaska

Earlier this year 2 Alaska troopers were shot and killed in tiniest imaginable, remote Alaskan town. They were just serving papers.

There is no place on the planet that's immune.

Tanana, Alaska

Tanana /ˈtænənɑː/ (Hohudodetlaatl Denh in Koyukon) is a city in the Yukon-Koyukuk Census Area in the U.S. state of Alaska. At the 2000 census the population was 308. It was formerly known as Clachotin, adopted by Canadian French. Jules Jetté (1910), a Jesuit missionary who worked in the area and documented the language, recorded the Koyukon Athabascan name for the village as Hohudodetlaatl Denh, literally, ‘where the area has been chopped’. Several residents are chronicled in the 2012 Discovery Channel TV series Yukon Men. Almost 80% of the town's population are Native Americans, traditionally...

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