The Frying Pan

Light goes right out the window here - I deep fried them until crispy and tossed with Buffalo sauce :) (Of course, it would work to season them and then roast them crispy)

rfusca

You sous vide and then deep fried ?

Jolenealaska

Yep, deep-fried just for the crisp.

I did fried chicken that way too (thighs, shallow fried) and it was great.

I'm looking for the ultimate recipe for Marlbled Rye Bread for my Ultimate Homemade Reuben adventure. On-line I am getting answers all over the map for the color (cocoa, coffee, molasses) but nothing that stands out as "authentic". Plus, none are using a sourdough starter, which is what I want. Any ideas where to look? (preferably without buying a book, I'm broke)

Oh here we go...add sourdough to the search string doofus:

sourdoughhome.com/index.php?content=swirlyrye

rfusca

12:49 AM

Lol

According to Peter reinhart - the dark part is just the light part plus cocoa powder

finecooking.com/recipes/marble-rye-bread.aspx

But that isn't about sourdough

Jolenealaska

Yep, that's this guy too (cocoa). He has a whole little class for this loaf, I like that. But the light and dark start with sourdough in that recipe, so I think I might try that.

I ruined my sauerkraut, so I've got plenty of time to grow a starter and make a test loaf.

Leave it to me to get Drano into almost completely fermented sauerkraut.

sourd'oh

1:10 AM

@Jolenealaska you rang?

Jolenealaska

26 mins ago, by Jolenealaska

I'm looking for the ultimate recipe for Marlbled Rye Bread for my Ultimate Homemade Reuben adventure. On-line I am getting answers all over the map for the color (cocoa, coffee, molasses) but nothing that stands out as "authentic". Plus, none are using a sourdough starter, which is what I want. Any ideas where to look? (preferably without buying a book, I'm broke)

sourd'oh

ok, so the best dark rye I've ever had...

Jolenealaska

This link looks helpful sourdoughhome.com/index.php?content=swirlyrye

sourd'oh

you take some day old bread. Tear it up like for stuffing, then roast it until it's almost black (but not too hot, you're caramelizing it, not burning it)

then you soak THAT in coffee, add some cocoa powder and molasses for sweetness

the key is to just use enough coffee to dampen the crumbs, and cocoa for bitter/earthiness, but not enough that it actually tastes like either

Jolenealaska

So you add that to the same dough as you're using for the "light rye"?

sourd'oh

1:16 AM

yep, that adds the color and some nice richness

it won't be as dark as caramel coloring, but the flavor, oh lord

Jolenealaska

Nice! How much should I add?

Do you have a favorite sourdough starter for rye?

sourd'oh

I like rye fairly sour

and I think the caramelized bread is like 1/4 of the flour weight

Jolenealaska

Cool

Thanks so much, the dark rye thing will be just what I want since I'm trying to put a spin on every aspect of this marathon reuben.

Jolenealaska

2:39 AM

I'm trying a new place tonight. It's a select your own unlimited pizza topping joint. Pizza Studio. Since I had a Groupon, I ordered a pizza for CN too. Guess which one is which?

Oh no fair, my name is on mine. Otherwise nobody would have been able to guess.

This looks like just what I want, but what the hell is non-dairy-milk? Soy milk? Almond milk? By Wheat Flour, do they mean All Purpose? It's Czech Sourdough Rye Bread [Šumava]

sourd'oh

2:54 AM

Ahh, how was it? We just got a Pizza Studio here.

Jolenealaska

Dunno yet! I'm picking it up in 50 minutes!

sourd'oh

And that is odd. I'd guess like soy or something. Powdered milk is fairly common in rye, but that looks like liquid

Jolenealaska

I ordered online and it asked when I wanted it in 5 minute increments. That's a good sign.

Yelp says the crust is very thin, which I like.

sourd'oh

Yeah, my husband got one. He said the crust was... St Louis-ey

At the one here they press it, which is sacrilege to me, but if you like it like that ... :P

Jolenealaska

They're advertising a "Moroccan" style, which they don't actually have here, so mine is a copy of that.

Did your husband like it? Did you try it?

Whaddya think of the rye recipe I posted? Do you suppose non-dairy milk is soy milk?

I'm leaning towards that bread, your dark-rye trick and this starter:

angelfire.com/ab/bethsbread/sdRyeFlourStarter.html

Yep, I see you answered, I missed it.

I'm leaning towards soy.

sourd'oh

3:05 AM

He said the toppings were great but the crust was a weak spot (but I may have spoiled him)

Jolenealaska

That would not be a huge surprise :)

I did Kenji's pan pizza in Grandma's cast iron not long ago...I'm spoiled for life as far as pan pizza goes.

CN and I each got different crusts and sauces, so I'll get to try 2 of each.

They're just around the corner and for $10 unlimited toppings, the price sure is right.

I'm eating with CN (his apartment is on the way) so it'll be later before I'm at the 'puter again, but I'll be sure to write a thorough review!

sourd'oh

Yeah, I know it's a steal

unfortunately, the one here is next to a Potbelly, so I always get that

Jolenealaska

And I've got Groupons, my first 3 are 1/2 price. Plus they're got a rewards thing, the 10th pizza is free. My goodness, it's like free food! :)

Potbelly?

BBQ?

sourd'oh

It's a sandwich shop, but they have a really good salad.

chickpeas, bleu cheese, olives, giardinera...

Jolenealaska

That's another thing I want to try at the pizza place. Their salad sounds good.

I gotta run pick it up. I'll let you know what I think. CYA!

rfusca

3:52 AM

@Jolenealaska ikr?! thats my go to for pan pizza

so good

all that biscuit talk earlier got me in the mood for making some biscuits

rfusca

4:10 AM

2 cups white lilly self rising flour, 1 cup buttermilk, 1/2 tsp sugar, 6 tbl butter. SO GOOD

i tried a different technique for the butter and i'll never go back to shredding in the freezer I think

I melted it, let it come almost back to room temp and there poured in a small stream into the ice cold butter milk. As it hit the buttermilk, it formed little solid chunks. Then I folded into the flour gently. dumped on the table and cut out the biscuits. Easiest and least fussy I've ever had - and the best results.

my biggest problem now is that I can't stop eating them

Jolenealaska

4:38 AM

That's the 2nd time today I've seen something call for White Lilly flour. I don't think I've ever actually seen it in real life:)

Interesting technique re: the better.

rfusca

@Jolenealaska its a southern thing

its an extremely soft wheat

makes for incredibly tender biscuits

Jolenealaska

Yep, I know what it is. I'm just about as far from Southern (in more ways than one) as it's possible to be :)

rfusca

indeed

half cake + half AP supposedly is a reasonable substitute

Jolenealaska

I just checked Amazon, they have it.

rfusca

@Jolenealaska the 5lb bag price isn't insane for what you get

Jolenealaska

4:44 AM

As long as the shipping is included, I don't mind paying more to try something I've never tried.

Do real southerners get the bleached or unbleached?

rfusca

4:57 AM

@Jolenealaska this is the stuff that real southerners buy:

amazon.com/White-Lily-Self-Rising-Flour/dp/B006E5E8O4/…

Jolenealaska

OK! I'll try it next time I make biscuits.

I've got a bunch of bananas in the freezer I need to use up. I'll make ATK's Ultimate Banana Bread too.

rfusca

nice

Jolenealaska

5:25 AM

I am quite pleased with the pizza I had for dinner from Pizza Studio. It is nowhere near the best pizza I have ever had, but the price sure is right.

I promised a review of sorts:

I had the Rosemary Herb Crust, CN had the traditional. The Rosemary was much better, I'd never order the original having had the rosemary. Next time I'll try the "firecracker". They have a gluten-free too, but I'm not interested in that.

Usually, pizza is best with just a few toppings. This place is an exception. Unlimited toppings for $10 per pizza? Go nuts.

The website advertised a "Moroccan" combo, but that isn't actually available here, so I came as close as I could choosing individual toppings (plus a few).

So I had this:

That is a good combo.

No tomato sauce, but I did have fresh tomatoes as a topping. They were sliced very thin, so they didn't sog up the pizza at all.

1/2 of the pizza was a perfect sized dinner.

I don't know yet, but I suspect that a slice will reheat nice and crispy in a 425F oven. I'll know when I have one for a midnight snack.

The toppings were really very good. The zucchini was a standout (long sliced, very pretty), as was the sausage. It wasn't spicy at all, but it was very tasty.

The crust was very thin, which I liked, but a bit soggy. I think it's going to reheat nicely.

I tasted CN's pizza, and was less impressed with the "normal" sauce than with the pesto.

All in all, this place is a bargain. With a Groupon, $10 feeds two for dinner, and it's not bad.

The website makes it super-easy to order:

pizzastudio.com

I had to laugh when I typed in my Zip Code. I could choose the place right around the corner, or I could drive 2025 miles or 2028 miles to eat with @Aaronut or @Jefromi. Those are the three options that came up. I chose here; if I had chosen one of the other two my pizza would have probably been cold by the time I got it home.

Jefromi

6:42 AM

Wait, what?

@Jolenealaska We showed you results in MTV?

For a query like [pizza {zip code}] I guess?

On the site itself:

ohhh, okay.

Isn't that a hoot?

Brilliant!

Gee...which one, which one?

Jefromi

6:46 AM

When I type it I get a couple "coming soon" ones as well!

Jolenealaska

I just got my Thai candle

Jefromi

Including one in Eagle Commons, a mere 1819 miles away.

How does it smell?

Jolenealaska

Holy crap, I've got a head rush just from opening the thing.

STRONG

Jefromi

Careful!

Jolenealaska

Not like food, like a temple.

Tiny too, the picture on Amazon looks much bigger.

I took a deep breath...and..WOW!

There is no question that it's going to taste like something. This will not be subtle.

Jefromi

6:51 AM

Sounds exciting!

Jolenealaska

It was packaged in the thickest Ziploc-style baggie a I had ever seen.

Now I know why.

If I ever want to get pot by a drug-sniffing dog, I now have the technology.

Jefromi

The bag or the candle?

Jolenealaska

I was thinking the bag, but the candle would be quite confusing.

Might cause the dog to have to retire.

importfood.com/recipes/thai_cookies.html

So, tomorrow I'll make these super simple cookies.

Jefromi

with secret ingredient!

Jolenealaska

I'm looking forward to this. The answer is going to be hard to write though, it's hard to describe flavors.

Jefromi

6:57 AM

Definitely.

Jolenealaska

What exactly does frankincense taste like? I dunno, sniff this...oops, careful! The first sniff packs a wallop!

I think it tastes like a temple smells is going to be a part of it.

Jefromi

Sounds cool! I don't think I've had any food like that before.

Jolenealaska

It's totally new to me. The hygienist at the dental office is Thai...I asked her. She said she uses one, but had never given a thought to what it actually is.

You can flavor granulated sugar with one. Then you roll tamarind in the sugar, and that's a traditional candy.

Rummi and I are exchanging packages. I've been holding off to include these (the cookies and the candy) in the package.

Jefromi

ohhh I love tamarind candy

Jolenealaska

This should be a whole different spin on it.

Jefromi

7:06 AM

I get the ones that come in the little plastic boxes for a treat sometimes.

Jolenealaska

Tamarind is just good. I'm a huge fan of Pad Thai, that's how I first was introduced to tamarind paste. I've only had Mexican candy with it.

Jefromi

Have you had salsaghetti?

Jolenealaska

No :)

Jefromi

It's watermelon gummy "noodles" and tamarind sauce!

Jolenealaska

no way!

Mexican?

Jefromi

7:09 AM

Yes!

Jolenealaska

There is a Dollar Store in town that has a whole aisle of Mexican Candy, I'll check that place out before I send rummi her care package. That looks way fun!

Jefromi

Oh, cool!

Back in Austin, at least in some parts of town, you could just go to convenience stores.

It's awesome that you can get stuff up there.

Jolenealaska

She specifically wants to try Reese's too. That's an easy one. She's also never had Almond Roca

Jefromi

I'm not sure I have either!

Jolenealaska

But dammit! Try to find an Iowa style tenderloin sandwich. Heathens up here don't even know what it is! You must try Almond Roca, very good candy, and pure USA.

Jefromi

7:15 AM

Strangely I've been to Iowa ten times.

But I didn't know I should've been looking for tenderloin sandwiches back then.

Jolenealaska

She remembered me mentioning that I didn't even know Turkish Delight was real (as opposed to Narnian) So she found some good stuff for me to try.

Jefromi

aww

Jolenealaska

Feb 17 at 0:26, by Jolenealaska

NEATO! My dad used to take me here!

Jefromi

Yeah I remember seeing it come up.

Jolenealaska

That really is a warm and fuzzy childhood memory.

The place is a hole in the wall on the 'wrong' side of town.

Dad and I loved it.

Jefromi

7:19 AM

:)

Jolenealaska

We would "sneak" off to it. It was never the whole family, just me and him.

Really warm memory.

Jefromi

Yeah :)

anyways I gotta go sleep! g'night

Jolenealaska

G'night!

ElendilTheTall

8:09 AM

@jolenealaska morning hon

Jolenealaska

Mornin!

I've been chatting up a storm without you :)

I've talked up Sour'doh, jefromi, and rfusca since I last moved.

And now here you are.

ElendilTheTall

And now you'll be going to bed

Jolenealaska

I can get food delivered, why should I ever leave?

Nope, I am wide awake.

ElendilTheTall

Still on a Teflon high?

Jolenealaska

Can't type for shit though.

ElendilTheTall

8:13 AM

Nothing new there

Jolenealaska

No, that is over. It has been replaced by candle sniffing.

ElendilTheTall

:P

Jolenealaska

HOLY CRAP!

ElendilTheTall

Good hit from that candle?

Jolenealaska

1 hour ago, by Jolenealaska

I just got my Thai candle

I didn't know anything could smell this potent.

Somehow I managed to really get my nose in there and take a deep smell before I realized.

It literally caused a head rush that lasted 1/2 hour.

I ordered a pizza online for take-out a few hours ago. This cracked me up:

2 hours ago, by Jolenealaska

Hmm, should I share my pizza with CN, Jefromi or Aaronut?

I think I'm actually a bit high from that candle hit.

If it's not Teflon, it must be frankincense.

Sour has a franchise where he lives too, but it didn't make my list.

ElendilTheTall

8:25 AM

What is a Thai candle?

Jolenealaska

8

Q: What does a Thai Scented Candle impart?

Amazon Link There is a traditional cookie that is pretty much just a thick sugar cookie that is baked and then put in a covered bowl with the candle overnight. I ran into it because I was looking at candy recipes, and some of the Thai candies called for sugar smoked like this. Other than smo...

It just arrived today. I was chatting with jefromi when I opened it and took a whiff.

This is the traditional cookie recipe:

importfood.com/recipes/thai_cookies.html

It must taste like something, 'cause otherwise those would be some boring cookies.

It's tiny, the curve is the diameter of like a US Silver Dollar...maybe just bigger

The whole thing fits in a lid of a Pringle's can. (Does at least one of those references make sense? I don't have a ruler handy).

ElendilTheTall

Weird

Jolenealaska

I'm very intrigued.

ElendilTheTall

Pringles can lid makes sense. Silver dollar not so much :)

Though now I recall having silver dollar pancakes in new York...

Jolenealaska

Pringle's lid is actually the better reference. I happen to have one here and it's perfect.

Supposedly you get about a dozen uses from one candle.

It was sent in the strangest packaging...a super, super thick Ziploc style bag and tissue paper. It makes total sense now, I can just imagine having 50 of these open on a shelf. People would walk in the door and pass out!

I'll make the cookies tomorrow. Lighting this thing is going to be quite the adventure.

Preston was here when I posted the question.

He read the title but not the question.

He came here (of course, I was here, where else would I be?)

"How the hell is this on-topic?"

He seemed a bit sheepish when he realized I was the author :)

"Maybe I should read the question?"

*Phrancis

not Preston

ElendilTheTall

8:56 AM

well

here I am ready for another thrilling work day

Jolenealaska

Someday you'll tell me what you actually do (ya know, spook to spook).

ElendilTheTall

that's an entirely baseless assumption

Jolenealaska

Tru 'nuff that, just hoping to catch you off-guard :)

Old spook trick.

ElendilTheTall

faheem tries it every so often

'what do you do again?'

like i'm poised over the keyboard ready to answer as quickly as possible without thinking

Jolenealaska

Remind me?....

ElendilTheTall

9:01 AM

Shark dentist

damn!

well, that cat's out of the bag now

Jolenealaska

I had dinner with CN tonight...

ElendilTheTall

yes, I am Pierre de Bovouis, famous shark dentist

Jolenealaska

heehee :)

ElendilTheTall

yes, the one who did that filling on a 20 foot great white

Jolenealaska

it's a tough job...

So I mentioned, in passing, a conversation that I had I recently had with "a friend from Amsterdam".

Wanna take a guess where this is going??

ElendilTheTall

9:10 AM

hmmmm

Jolenealaska

So once again, I left CN's apartment in a huff, wondering why I ever go there. "Yeah, he's a friend, and I have never met him. Open your mind, you simple little man."

ElendilTheTall

i think i'm missing something

Jolenealaska

Just that CN can't imagine a friendship outside of his narrow experience.

ElendilTheTall

ah

reasons CN is a douchecanoe #724

Jolenealaska

The fact that I have never met any one in this room doesn't mean you aren't real.

Yep.

ElendilTheTall

9:12 AM

@Jolenealaska we could all be bots

Jolenealaska

The other thing that popped into your head is valid too.

ElendilTheTall

...

Jolenealaska

We had yet another "discussion" about sexual orientation and bigotry.

#725

ElendilTheTall

ah

Jolenealaska

He likes "Big Bang Theory", so do I. So we watched that while eating our pizza.

He made a point of informing me that one of the actors is a "faggot".

Here we go again. And you, sir, are an ass.

You know, I'm pretty sure I've never mentioned to him the affair I had with my my (female) roomate in college. That would blow his little mind.

ElendilTheTall

9:20 AM

you've never mentioned that to me

Jolenealaska

It was short lived, but a warm memory.

I consider myself "straight", but, you know, don't bring out a ruler.

ElendilTheTall

spectrums and all that

Jolenealaska

Exactly.

The very idea of "shades of grey" about such a subject would freak him out.

ElendilTheTall

he sounds like a simpleton

never actually thought about a thing in his life

of course, if you check his browsing history you'd probably find a lot of gay porn

Jolenealaska

He has a triple digit IQ, and he went to high school in Alaska.

He thinks he is always the smartest one in the room.

ElendilTheTall

9:27 AM

most people with an average IQ have a triple digit IQ...

Jolenealaska

So, I shame him at every opportunity. He should hate me, he really should.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's one of those.

ElendilTheTall

well, let's not dignify him by harping on

what do you have planned for the weekend

Jolenealaska

He probabaly is slightly brighter than "average". But he is so much of an idiot that it doesn't matter. The idiot shines through.

This weekend (starting tomorrow) I am spring cleaning this apartment.

ElendilTheTall

shooing the bears and moose out, that kind of thing?

Jolenealaska

I have decided that I will not grocery shop until I have a tidy place to bring groceries.

ElendilTheTall

9:32 AM

have you finally reached the point where the mess is driving you crazy?

I have a 3 week mess cycle

eventually I will just say 'ENOUGH!' and go on a mad tidying spree

Jolenealaska

Well, I haven't even cleaned the fire stains off the stove. And I can't remember the last time I vacuumed. I'm like that, but my cycle is a bit longer, and my "enough" perhaps a bit louder.

ElendilTheTall

I vacuum weekly

otherwise we'd be up to our knees in crumbs and beads and fuck knows what else

Jolenealaska

You know it's bad when firemen take you out on a stretcher, and the thing that really bugs you is that they saw the messiness of your home.

Heehee :)

pink

That reminds me of a funny story. (Funny only because it has a happy ending)

ElendilTheTall

'oh mah, mah home is such a mess, and here ah am in just mah neglige!' <swoon>

Jolenealaska

:)

Ok funny story:

Foreign object-ectomy is a common surgical procedure on dogs.

Dogs will eat any damn thing.

ElendilTheTall

9:41 AM

this is known

Jolenealaska

One of my favorite moments was returning the leapard print panties to the owner and hoping that she actually was the owner.

ElendilTheTall

lol

Jolenealaska

Cats are different, so this particular cat had us puzzled.

Nothing showed up on the x-rays, but the cat was dying of what looked very much like "ate a big foreign object".

We went in.

After the surgery, the doc called the owner.

"Is Barbie missing a purse? We found it."

ElendilTheTall

someone I know had a cat that was ill for weeks

they tried all sorts, it kept getting worse

then they took it to a different (evidently better) vet, who checked its mouth thoroughly, and saw some string wrapped around its tongue

turns out, it had eaten some butchers' string from around a joint of meat in a bin, it had got wrapped around, and was strung all the way through from the mouth to the anus

literally, the cat had string poking out its ass

Jolenealaska

That happens a lot with Christmas Trees. Tinsel.

ElendilTheTall

9:47 AM

you could have given it a good yank and turned the whole cat inside out

after they saw the bill, they wanted to anyway

Jolenealaska

Cats have a bizarre digestive system that way.

Yep, that makes for a hell of a complicated surgery.

ElendilTheTall

i would imagine