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8:00 AM
 
8:11 AM
Hi sweetie. I think I need about another hour's woth of sleep then I'm going to come in here and get there recipes ready to go!
All 4. The torta, the meatball pita, garbonzzetta balls pita and the pork bun.
one more hour, and then I'll lock and load.
 
okey dokey
 
 
2 hours later…
10:09 AM
@ElendilTheTall I'm writing up the torta recipe first. I was out of coffee filters so I ran to the store and while I was there I saw a new Mezzetta product. Well shit. Jalapeno with mexican-style cheese. It must be brand new, it's not even on their website yet. They might like a contest winner to use their very newest product, so one more time with feeling!
 
@Jolenealaska sneaky blighters
 
10:24 AM
So, i might as well do it right if I'm going to do it at all, I still have all the ingredients. I have an idea that might make getting the oil on the bread easier, so Ill try that. Consider those jars, the dark blue tableloth and eggshell plates with a blue border. What color water should I try first in the jars?
 
hmmmm
 
My grocery doesn't even carry liquid food coloring anymore, only gel. Weird.
 
yellow compliments the blue, but the sandwich might get lost
also yellow water tends to look like... other stuff
perhaps green?
 
orange?
 
that won't contrast well with the sandwich itself, it'll get lost against the background
 
10:27 AM
Ok...As I need a break from typing, I'll prep some jars!
And now I am off to type..I'll ask you to proofread! (you may get a laptop out of this yet! ;)
 
fingers crossed :D
 
10:53 AM
I have such a tendency to want to explain every little thing and to give way too many options. It's a damn sandwich recipe! They're gunna do it the way they want anyway!
 
I don't need to tell them that the avocado is optional! They have figured that out!
 
yeah
avocado is always optional
 
11:55 AM
I thought they nothing Mexicanish. I was wrong. aarrggh. But I definitely think mine is superior.
 
that looks... similar
 
I'm irked.
 
It is irksome
 
12:23 PM
I'm 86ing the vegetarian one. The flavor is good, but yesterday they broke apart. I figured leaving the batter overnight would help, but it has just made matters worse. I've got a better shot getting the Chinese one ready to go.
 
sounds like a good plan
the vegetarian options are always the first to go
 
Yep...I can enter it next year after I figure out the problem The taste is great.
The problem with the Chinese one is lack of Mezzetta products (even though I used a whole jar of their Teriyaki. I need to come up with good ways to garnish the pork bun using at least 3 preferably 4 products. One thing I an doing right now is dicing up some giardiniera and sauteing it in some sesame oil.
 
do they do a soy sauce?
whack some of that in somewhere
 
Unfortunately no.
I can use more of the teriyaki sauce. They also do a hot sauce, but I've never actually seen it. It may totally clash for all I know.
 
 
1 hour later…
2:06 PM
OK...I haven't even proofread it myself yet...
 
you are footloose and fancy free like that
 
3rd paragraph: 'potions'
i'm sure they're magic, but that might be coming it a bit high
;)
 
got it
 
the 'now cut up cheese slices' sentence is a little cumbersome
 
2:11 PM
One thing they stress is that the ingredients have be in the order they are used
 
just 'cover the beans with the cheese slices' would do surely?
 
Any advice to word it better?
 
> just 'cover the beans with the cheese slices' would do surely?
 
OK... Completely cover the beans with the cheese slices
 
that works
 
2:22 PM
Oops I missed the sour cream on the ingredients list.
Plus I need to look at the pages side by side and make sure that everything is in the same order.
How much longer do you think you'll be there?
 
coupla hours
thanks for reminding me :P
 
2:37 PM
:) Well, I might be able to offer interesting diversion :) It's getting light, so I'll make the damn torta one last time...even with the similar recipe I found, I think that's by far and away the most likely to win. I'll try to get the pita photographed too. Hopefully by then, I'll be less clueless for the pork bun.
Cya in a bit
 
 
2 hours later…
4:20 PM
Just about ready...are you there?
Look at that picture we have been playing with as 'the best". I've got a brand new sandwich to put together, slice and arrange.
Wouldn't it suck if he's gone home????
I can't compete with lovely wife and darling child....
Hmmm...New laptop! sniff sniff
Isn't that pretty!?
Ping me sweetie, deadline in less than 12 hours.
 
You just missed me
I'll try and drop by later
 
PING!!
Ping me, that is, when you're here.
 
4:52 PM
hello
@Jolenealaska oh, you are still working towards that competition? You seem very enthusiastic and fully surfing the wave, just from the last half page of transcript
I'll keep my fingers locked for you, is there something more substantial I can help with?
 
Deadline in 11 hours.
Good question!
Can't think of a thing.
I''ll take final photos in a couple of hours.
 
I hope you are allowed to show them to us before you enter them in the contest. If they have to stay "unpublished", I'd like to see them afterwards, at least
 
Certainly, proofreaders always help (as a matter of fact recipe 1 is posted just a bit back)
I don't think a chattroom counts as "published"
One thing Rummi you can do is be available during the next few hours. I'm taking the final photos and writing up the very last bits for the recipes.
In 11 hours I get no re-dos.
 
@Jolenealaska I don't think I can be online 11 hours from now, it will be 6 AM for me. But in the next 3.5 hours, the computer will stay on. Maybe one hour more.
 
That might help:)
 
5:09 PM
Or are you so wired up that you absolutely need somebody around submission time? I guess I could get up very early and do some diss work before heading out to my job, and throw a look into the chat room now and then, if this is necessary for you.
 
5:23 PM
I'm probably OK without it. I have chosen three recipes to enter. Once the third is entered, I'm done. I'll probably sleep for 2 solid days :)
I feel pretty solid about my ability to create and write the recipes. I'm very shaky regarding my ability to photograph them.
Enter ElendilTheTall, my buddy.
 
Yes, he's good with that sort of thing
I'm sure your recipe descriptions will turn out well
Now I have a picture I don't want to share :(
 
And he seems to be enjoying it
 
I discovered that a container of hazelnuts has been taken over by weevils
and by "taken over", I mean the hazelnuts are embedded in moth-silk, with wiggly worms everywhere
but that container costs 6-7 Euros, so I think I will do the responsible thing and clean it instead of dumping it in the trash closed
just put the water to boil for it, I hope it doesn't melt
 
yesterday, by Jolenealaska
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yesterday, by ElendilTheTall
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Much, much better.
Hezelnuts huh?
Hmm...Rat Bastards
 
A truly American sandwich
and yes, he gave them a very nice touch.
 
5:44 PM
Maybe, maybe, I''m going to change the background.
 
Your garden looked good to me.
But this slightly blue one you have here is also good. Not distracting, and has lots of contrast with the food.
In other news, operation Moth was successful, and much less yuckier than anticipated
I had expected that I will have to scrub insect secretions from the walls of the container, but everything just rolled into the trash once I upended it.
Besides, I reminded myself how much I like wearing silk just before doing it. It was a very calming thought.
@Jolenealaska I'm not so sure I follow your recipe
"Using a fork to hold back solids" - which solids? Are we making a paste, or a liquid, or what?
are you saying that the fork will be enough to hold back cumin pieces?
 
6:08 PM
@rumtscho Good point. The Mezzetta spread that I used to make the marinade is very chunky, mostly sun-dried tomatoes.
So the oil just takes on the color and flavor.
AHAA!
 
Are these bottles behind the plate?
Oh, from the Mezetta brand. Clever.
 
Dammit! You can see in the previiew...
Yes
Dammit
Those are Mezzetta jars
the sponsor of the contest
 
You don't want them to be recognizable? Or why the dammits?
 
I want them to be recognizable
TALL!
 
6:24 PM
You need more shadows for them to be recognizable
 
One of them had it!
 
there should be a light source from the side of the jars, lighting up some surfaces and leaving others in shadow
which is very hard to achieve when you are lighting a sandwich frontally at the same time
you'll need a multi-light setup
a hard light from the side of the jars, behind the sandwich
and another light from front, focused on the sandwich only
 
What if I just bring out my swing arm lamp
?
It's outside, on my front porch.
 
it will probably leak from the side - use a piece of cardboard or a baseball cap to stop it from backlighting the sandwiches
 
You lost me there.
 
6:28 PM
mom I'm sketching
Try this setup
I hope it's understandable, I don't have my tablet here, so I couldn't write well with the mouse
the left lamp strikes parallel with the jar line and slightly from above
the one above the camera should try to catch the sandwiches but not the bottles. Don't make it too bright or too close to the sandwiches, behind your shoulder will be good. Or leave it out if you don't have a second movable lamp.
I sent you a link once, I don't know if you got it
@Jolenealaska take a look at the sketch, but also at the file behind the link
 
Ok, looking...
 
you want page 162
I haven't read it in ages, but it's probably the best resource out there
you actually want reflections off the glass, so the first part is not so important to you, I think. You don't want to catch the glass's transparency.
 
6:44 PM
It's exactly on point. still reading
Where the hell did Tall go?? See how he is??
What's a gobo?
 
"gobo" is slang for "go-between", a piece of cardboard which shields your scene from light rays. The cardboard in my pic above is a gobo.
 
You cut it out and place it so the light goes exactly where you need it.
 
alright, alright, I'm here
jeez
'read this recipe Cindarelly, touch up these photos Cindarelly'
 
well look what the cat dragged in...looking for a laptop.
Heheheheeee
 
6:55 PM
so, what is my mistress's wish <bows, scrapes>
 
So it seems to me that it wont be possible to read the embossing on photos taken outside during a bright, sunny day...right?
 
impossible to say
 
depends on the light
angle, brightness
 
I swear I could see it on ONE of the pictures I snapped just now..but then I brought them here...and nothing
 
7:00 PM
perhaps after days of making these sandwiches on 3 hours sleep, you're hallucinating
 
@Jolenealaska this looks really good
 
I would love to have that in the background of my sandwich shots.
 
@Jolenealaska if you can't get it all in one go, you can also try to catch the bottles perfectly without a sandwich in front of them, then do a good sandwich picture and then combine
the edges might be a bit noticeable wihtout lots of fiddling, though
but if you can light the jars like the one above, and light the sandwich separately from a second light source, you should be able to achieve it without photoshopping
 
@rumtscho stop making work for me, woman!
 
7:07 PM
I have been trying to get the font legible in your first picture for the last 15 minutes, but I didn't achieve much.
 
I really don't care that they're all legible. I just the judges to realize that the background is made of their jars.
 
yes, legible is probably the wrong word. "Pop out" is a better description of my goal, sadly unreachable with my retouching skills
 
"recognizable" is my goal.
"Oh wow, Look! Those are our jars!"
 
ok
well, I suggest the following
take it all outside
do not put a background in place - let the wide Alaskan wilderness be your background
place one jar next to the plate, slightly behind
put one half of the sandwich on the plate, filling displayed
arrange the other one artfully, not necessarily in full view
the sandwich does not have to be in the middle of the frame
do not zoom out and get close, zoom in from a distance
you will thus get less distortion
 
I keep forgetting that part
 
7:15 PM
This is my best effort of getting the font stand out
 
hey! That's not bad!
 
@Jolenealaska if you follow Elendil's suggested setup, the jar doesn't have to be empty. You can use an enticing half-full jar of spread.
 
a very rough diagram of what I mean
 
@Jolenealaska if you are referring to my retouching, your real picture (the one without the sandwich) is many times better than my salvage attempt.
 
I'm going to put the sandwich together...That'll take 15 minutes...then???
 
7:20 PM
Maybe it's best to first get the pictures right
use some other thing in place of the sandiwch, maybe a plain slice of bread
when that's right, make the fresh sandwiches and shoot them in the same way
that way you are sure you'll get good pictures before the sandwiches grow soggy and the lettuce goes limp
 
an excellent idea
 
OK, I've got the half eaten sandwich from above.
check it out:
 
get lower
 
we don't need to see the plate
 
7:32 PM
@Jolenealaska the first bottle is getting really good. Maybe move the others untill they are aligned with it (which will probably require moving the plate), or follow Elendil's composition and leave only the first one in the picture.
 
Sorry, I keep saying "bottle", with these slender slim glass things in bottle green I have to force myself to think of them as "jars" and sometimes I forget it.
@Jolenealaska you're improving with each shot
 
have you got somewhere with just a clear background?
no wall or anything?
 
I think I actually like that one..
 
@ElendilTheTall if she got a good light angle with this one, maybe we shouldn't tell her to turn into a direction where there is no wall
 
7:34 PM
I can try clear
 
I think her main light source is still the sun, the lamp for the bottles is just secondary
 
not entirely sure the two plates works either
is that a white brick wall behind?
that would be fine as a backdrop too
 
Indeed, I think I'd prefer it with a single plate too
 
The plates are just where they were
 
I'm not crazy about multiple jars
 
7:36 PM
it's a white wall
 
And also cropped to remove the bottom part, but this is very easy to do later.
@ElendilTheTall the green jars make it very easy to give the sandwich's white a warm, bright color in post without artificially looking tints anywhere else. A white wall will reduce contrast and may look funky if we change the color of the bread to the most appetizing shade.
 
I kind of like the Emerald City look...
one plate, for sure
 
I mean, the jars do keep an artificial tint, but they have it all the time, no matter how you change the rest of the colors.
 
try it, for me
 
For the same reason of contrast, I'd suggest keeping the blue plate, not the white one
@ElendilTheTall indeed, a try doesn't hurt.
 
7:39 PM
Ok, so just leave the one jar? to the left of the plate?
 
@Jolenealaska yes, to the left, where you get the best look of the glass. But don't cut it off with the frame, give it a narrow space on the left.
 
OK, brb
Hold on...
 
You're getting there. A bit lower even will both get rid of the bottle sway and the blue "horizon" shining through just behind the Mezetta script. You can prop up the sandwich if you think there won't be enough surface area visible.
 
put the sandwich more towards the left edge of the plate
less plate, more sandwich
 
dangit!
 
7:52 PM
getting there.
make sure it's straight
and get even lower if you can
 
The embossing is definately more clear against the dark
 
I'd go even further towards the edge of the plate
 
the sandwich?
 
yeah
we don't care about the plate, we care about the sandwich!
 
Ok, what about the leaning tower of greenness there?
 
8:01 PM
try and get some space on the other side of it
 
@Jolenealaska donät be afraid of a low-angle, frame-filling sandwich
 
yes indeedy
 
"If the photo's not good enough, you're not close enough"
 
OK, the second one is more at an angle
but the first one also looks very, very, good
 
8:06 PM
one of the main obstacles here is the fact that we have massive depth of field
 
that's pretty good
perhaps a little too close
 
@ElendilTheTall Nothing can be done about that. But look at my third pic, it doesnät show much blur and is still quite enticing.
 
I'm feeling ready to try this with the real thing.
 
8:07 PM
@Jolenealaska if zou saz so - itäs zour show
 
this would be so much easier if you just flew me out there
 
these keyboard layouts are a PITA
 
It's just that we could hit that perfect shot with the half-eaten ham thing...
 
@jolene beside going close, you can just go low yourself. Squat a bit, or sit down if you have to. That way you don't get the sandwich at an angle, you get it tall and proud.
@Jolenealaska Once you hit it, it will be repeatable.
But hey, if you can't get a single great shot with the real sandwich, you can si
still make a second real sandwich.
Your recipe is for four pieces, you could cook the ingredients and assemble only one.
 
Alright...I'm putting together the $25,000 sandwich...brb
 
8:10 PM
If it gets bad during the photoshoot, put together the second one from the prepared ingredients.
 
8:31 PM
Oh yeah, I've never made more than one at a time... Good thing too. I am SO God Damned sick and tired of this sandwich!
about another 3 minues
AARRGGHH
 
?
 
Now I have to clean it up a bit
it schmusched
but she'll be fine
 
Are you talking about yourself in the third person, or giving your sandwich a personality?
both options sound quite amusing. And I hope you'll get it pretty again quickly.
 
8:46 PM
my bed time approacheth
 
You know, it's pretty bad when you find yourself doing that iconic mother thing of spitting on a napkin to wipe your sandwich. Anyway...Here we go!
 
@Jolenealaska food photographers usually do worse things to the food
 
too much table
 
8:52 PM
swap the halves around
and pare down the shot so we see nothing we don't really need too
it doesn't matter if we don't get all of the sandwich in the shot
so long as one whole half is in
 
good points from Elendil. Also, rotating one half to show a side view may make it more interesting.
 
Wow, you are getting into "great" territory
 
is that zoomed in from a distance?
looks a bit wide-angle and close
but definitely getting there
 
8:57 PM
You could do the polish thing on the plate too :)
 
yes, I see that eek
I can see a few things too OK!
 
gonna have to hurry things up jojo!
 
9:16 PM
 
You were right, the dark stripe accents the Mezzetta script well. First and last are vey good for it.
 
blue and green clash unfortunately
but you can't have it all
 
That's ok :)
That looks great...I think we have a winner!
Can one of you get rid of that green weirdness just to the left of the left hand (center frame) sandwich?
 
so which one??
 
9:23 PM
entirely up to you hon
how much of it is down to the photo in any case?
it's not a photography competition after all
in any case, i need to get to bed
catch you later
 
Theoretically none...the photo isn't even required...it's just that it'll grab their attention. Goodnight sweetie...and THANK YOU!
And thank YOU rummi!
 
9:38 PM
@Jolenealaska glad if I could help a bit
I wish you luck with your recipe
 
You did :)
 
you did some good work there
your pictures got to be quite good
 
I'm crossing my fingers! The winners will be announced Sep 19
 
but also developing the recipe is lots of hard work, it is a pleasure to watch a craftswoman at a project, even from that far
and I didn't get much of it, being so rarely here the last days. But your enthusiasm is a bit infectious, and that's a good thing :)
I'm going to bed too. Good night, and sleep well, and I'm crossing my fingers too
 
I'm hopeful. I may be sick of that sandwich, but it's pretty darn good :)
Have a very good night.
 
 
1 hour later…
10:57 PM
@Jolenealaska Good luck!!
 

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