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3:00 AM
Hmmm - oops rather late night for a school night. The upside - walking home through the woods the stars look amazing. Can't see if the aurora is out tonight though
Downside - got to get up in two hours...
Buggrit, says Foul Ole Ron
 
@RoryAlsop Worth it
 
Definitely!
Fun band from LA called 3Teeth. They were fun. More importantly, we hung out with them, Grant Morrison and two Prussian dominatrices...
Good times
 
@RoryAlsop Sounds like my kind of party
 
You would definitely have approved
 
It really is unfortunate that there is an ocean between us
 
3:13 AM
Sorry - that was star-worthy
There's oceans in between us, but that's not very far. Do you think I care, do you think I care, do you think I care or am aware? Do you think I care what you say, when I'm oblivious...
Can't beat a bit of Terrorvision
 
4:09 AM
@Gilles sure thing gilles,learning from it,from now on i will write the summary and quote it around here thanks friend :)
@kalina @Gilles thanks for edit friends,i will learn from ur answers :)
 
 
3 hours later…
Adi
6:43 AM
@RоryMcCune Jepp. That's me
Because it's a stupid idea
What's next, Nordic Security Conference in France?
Asian Football Cup hosted in Morocco?
@AviD @kalina "Not Schengen" is an understatement. Not EU, not Schengen, not European Economic Area
But it's kinda in the European Free Trade Association
However, Morocco; San Marino; Andorra; and Israel all share the same status in the EFTA
The only thing Euro-related in which Israel is a legit member is the song contest Eurovision
Oh, looks like Jordan, Lebanon, Azerbaijan, and Australia are part of it too :D
What a joke!
 
7:01 AM
@Adi very well put.
actually I did think it was part of the EEA, I see I was wrong.
regardless, the Eurovision is really the only defining factor that matters.
 
7:40 AM
@Adi I know but I started the conversation without commitment and then decided I really should just continue with the thing I was already doing
@BlueBerry-Vignesh4303 @Gilles see, do you see this? How mean you were to him and he still calls you friend with a smiley face. I hope you feel bad.
@BlueBerry-Vignesh4303 meh all I did was capitalize some letters, don't worry about it
I seem to update Steam more frequently than I use it to start a game
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@meda With more context (including a detailed description of what you're doing) this is on-topic on Cryptography.
 
context is off topic here
 
Morning All
I see I continue to be the less fun Rory :)
 
tips hat
 
does that invoke paranoia or any other negative feeling
 
7:53 AM
Mornin'
 
@kalina nah, horses for courses, innit ..
 
"innit"
 
Neigh?
 
@kalina I was attempting to invoke a London accent in text
 
@Adi I think @kalina made a very valid point, it's also about freedom of movement. So now you can actually be denied AppSecEU attendance if you're from EU because you're not also "not from EU"... brain hurt
 
7:54 AM
Rory is clearly having a giggle
 
@BarryCarlyon who me, having a turkish... nah
I should try talking for a whole day in Cockney Rhyming slang
someday
probably not today
 
thankfully
 
@kalina are you not a fan of the patois of the capital?
 
not that I'm going to be reversing my inactive state today, stuff to do
@RоryMcCune London isn't my capital
 
@kalina It was to evoke the capital of the UK with UK being implicit, rather than an implication that it in any way pertained to you :op
 
7:57 AM
international chat room, your ambiguity is confusing
 
@kalina is there an equivalent for Paris?
 
@RоryMcCune so U then?
 
@BarryCarlyon indeed me
 
@RоryMcCune which one?
 
@TildalWave that one
the one
 
7:58 AM
@TildalWave All of them
RORY IS THE ONE!
 
@BarryCarlyon ah no, wrong Rory there, you want the elder one for that sort of loudness
 
@BarryCarlyon only, erm, there's two here :)
 
@RоryMcCune your face is confusing
 
@TildalWave how do you mean, who is being denied?
 
@AviD I would like to make a formal complaint about a user demonstrating linguistic discrimination against another user on Sec.SE
 
8:00 AM
@kalina nice dodge
 
@kalina I am confused
I SHOULD NOT HAVE LOOKED UPON YOUR FACE
 
@AviD about what?
 
@kalina vous préférez si nous parlions tous français ici alors?
 
@kalina what you're complainting about.
 
@AviD well let's consider @Adi for example, I'm not saying he's being denied anything, but I can imagine some problems with getting to Israel yet he has all the right to move freely within the EU
 
8:01 AM
@RоryMcCune no not really
 
@AviD elle veut que ce soit converti en un français seulement salle de chat
 
@TildalWave Actually - he would have an easier time getting into Israel than he did to the UK.
 
@AviD the whole Gilles thing from yesterday
 
ohh that
 
@AviD heh that's true for everyone
 
8:02 AM
@RоryMcCune SCREW YOU AND YOUR FOREIGN LANGUAGE, FRENCHIE BOOOYYYYY
@kalina didnt read it, sorry
 
@RоryMcCune the official language of chat is English, anything else is rude
 
@AviD pls, translate.google.com FTW
 
@TildalWave well then there ya go ;-)
 
@AviD well he randomly started on a user for not block quoting his quotes and for his spelling
 
@kalina you started it with your linguistic discrimination stuff
 
8:02 AM
really, travel issues is a weak complaint
 
\o/ RACISM \o/
 
@AviD wait, UK is in EU? :OO
 
well, cost maybe, but not border control
 
@BarryCarlyon new UKIP slogan?
 
@kalina pppffft guilllies
 
8:03 AM
@RоryMcCune :p
 
@RоryMcCune DAMMIT! How did you know I worked for them?
 
@AviD are you just going to sit back and allow it to happen?
 
@TildalWave depends if we're taking "EUROPE" or "les European Union"
 
@BarryCarlyon dunno, just the subtle clues...
 
@kalina again, I have no idea what we're talking about, and no inclination to start digging.
 
8:04 AM
@BarryCarlyon you always spit South :D
 
typical moderator commitment to the role
non existence
 
facepalm
 
@kalina you wanna link an example? I'll look/
 
alright well I've wasted enough time here today, bye again
 
*waves good bye to @kalina *
 
8:05 AM
@kalina that was quick.. instead, just block the tigger :)
 
@RоryMcCune I dunno - little tired at work...
 
but y'all chatter waaay too much for me to go digging through the transcript to find some dubious harrassment that may or may not have crossed the line from our regular witty banter.
 
@AviD dude I was just trolling, you don't say it depends then, that's like not just giving me food but teaching me how to fish too
 
^^ Racist
 
@RoryAlsop yeah I could see a certain level of tiredness being likely... :/ suppose that's the price of partying!
 
8:05 AM
@TildalWave hahahaha fair enough
@RоryMcCune is it common practice in UK conferences for sponsors of technical conferences to expect to be able to "buy" tech talks?
this is driving me crazy. What world do those people live in??
 
@AviD not at the good ones :) However at the crap ones (e.g. InfoSec) I think it does happen
@AviD so things like B-Sides, 44Con this would not happen...
tends to be in the more corp. focused end of the market
 
@RоryMcCune of course we dont allow it, we wont even discuss it
but some of the sponsors keep insisting.
 
@AviD I'll wager it doesn't stop some people asking..
@AviD blech :(
 
had several pull out angrily at the last minute.
 
@AviD yoinks! that sucks
 
8:08 AM
@AviD @Simon's mom is probably used to that ;-)
@RоryMcCune its not even the asking! it's the expecting that bugs me.
 
You wonder what world they live in, these sponsored talks are usually bad anyway, so they wouldn't be helping their cause by presenting them
 
right??
and then the attendees pay a shedload of money, to get to sit through what is basically a sales pitch.
 
"here is a nasty technical problem, and entirely co-incidentally our product solves said problem"
 
yaknow, that wouldnt be so bad if they focused on the problem, even the solution, rather than the product.
subject matter experts, after all
(one would hope)
 
and keep the vendor pitchiness to a minimum
@AviD on that note have you seen the controversy about the OWASP Benchmark project?
 
8:11 AM
personally I dont mind if they mention their product, even a sentence or two about it - as long as its about how it relates to the different solutions that they just discussed. but no more than that
@RоryMcCune hehe, yeah, amusing.
 
MOrning
 
not at all surprising, either... you know the guy behind it, right?
 
@AviD yeah it sounds a bit blatant
@AviD I've not met him, but heard of him sure
 
he'd tried to pull similar stuff on the OWASP wiki, back when he was chairman
 
@AviD eww... What will be very interesting to see is how the OWASP Top 10 2016 project goes
@AviD IIRC it's his mob that run that too, and I expect a bit of a "tug of war" over it this time round as various vendors try to push their agendas
I got the impression that the DAST crowd were not happy about A9 in the 2013 one...
 
8:15 AM
yeah... I dunno, it doesnt feel like its out of date. I'm worried they will push for big modifications and ruin it, without adding anything.
@RоryMcCune which was A9, the components?
 
@AviD yeah underlying components outdated, basically impossible to test black-box
 
I dont learn id numbers by heart!
@RоryMcCune yeah, that is a brilliant one though.
 
so really no blakbox vendor should be able to say they test for the Top 10
 
also not too easy to test whitebox either, honestly
 
@AviD oh it's completely true and a big problem..
@AviD indeed 'cause you need the whole build env. to be sure what'll go into the final product
but at least it's possible
 
8:17 AM
not just the build env, the production env.
 
@AviD aye
 
is your Oracle DB out of date? doesnt matter what it was built on.
 
@AviD but of course the prod. env. is the same as the build one :op
 
(btw spoiler: of course your oracle DB is out of date. it always is.)
@RоryMcCune not if you are selling an installable product.
 
@AviD I was more getting at the idea that really people should be shipping whole env's down their build pipeline these days to get away from the "worked ok in test, broken in prod." problem.... Containerize all the things!!!
 
8:19 AM
hahaha so basically Docker is the only solution for A9.
 
Adi
@TildalWave Yeah. Nobody likes to be anally probed just to attend a conference
 
but of course it is.
 
Adi
Unless the conference is about anal probing
 
@Adi right, most people like their anal probing after the conference.
 
Adi
Which covers AppSec, I guess :D
 
8:20 AM
@AviD well not just docker... there's windows server containers too (or will be when 2016 comes out..)
 
isnt that also based on docker?
 
@AviD you can (in TP3) do the container stuff without docker or with docker
so MS have a set of powershell cmdlets for container management
docker's basically a management layer
 
8:51 AM
@RоryMcCune ...why?
 
Hey no one greeted me when I said "Morning"? The quality of this room is going down the drain.
 
COVER BRIE MORTAL.
 
@M'vy I know, that's why I'm spending less and less time active
or maybe because I'm spending less and less time active the quality is dropping
either way, morning
I am now dressed and appropriately painted so... off out
 
@kalina Hi :)
@kalina That could be correlated indeed
 
@M'vy MORNING!
or Monring! </thebasecamp>
 
9:02 AM
@RoryAlsop ahah
 
@kalina 'cause he was annoying you?
 
9:28 AM
@RоryMcCune no she just wanted to see some fire
 
@M'vy this would not be a surprise...
 
@RоryMcCune but our mods are not really @AviD of going Apocalypse Now style with Napalm.
 
should I scroll back through the transcript to try and figure it out? Or is it done and dusted now?
 
@M'vy "I love the smell of banhammers in the morning"?
 
@RоryMcCune nice one
 
9:32 AM
@RoryAlsop noob posts nooby answer, adi (or was it simon) gets annoyed, Giles heavily edits/is critical of the post, kalina takes umbrage at Giles approach, Avid is uninterested
I need one of those american announcer style voices to do these summaries
"last time on #DMZSoapOpera"
 
I'll go have a wee look
just to understand
 
@RoryAlsop phhbt , that way madness lies
especially if undertaken without Alcohol
 
I can't find it in transcript (no Gilles anywhere for me)
 
@M'vy hmmm - If you can't find it, I'm unlikely to do better - at least for a while today
 
oh my bad
 
I can see him somewhere around 20:00
 
and it was adi that was annoyed
16 hours ago, by kalina
did you turn up specifically to hate on somebody who you've just clearly stated can't write a complete English sentence?
^kalina + umbrage
2 hours ago, by AviD
@kalina again, I have no idea what we're talking about, and no inclination to start digging.
uninterested tigger is uninterested :)
 
well that wasn't really worth reading
and it's "a hoax" not "an hoax" :P
 
@RоryMcCune Everyone who revised the post did help improve it, and the OP has been around long enough to know better than to plagiarise, so I can understand Gilles comment in here. After reading it all, I see it as a minor kerfuffle, the post is improved, the OP has had some edumacation, and all is broadly on an even keel
Without the pointers, that would have taken far too long to figure out
thanks
 
@RoryAlsop np :) always happy to help sleep-deprived mods :oP
 
9:44 AM
@RоryMcCune really? I didn't feel annoyed...
 
@kalina I thought Umbrage was a good word
you objected to Gilles approach
 
@RoryAlsop Kerfuffle, edumacation, even keel ... are you having an early Friday evening? :)
 
@RоryMcCune what - I don't get props for kerfuffle?
 
@RоryMcCune no this is a misunderstanding
I objected to Gilles
 
@TildalWave ahh - thanks :-)
 
9:45 AM
@RoryAlsop kerfuffle is good
@kalina as opposed to his approach?
 
@TildalWave a late Thursday evening...
 
@RоryMcCune I'm picturing a weird thing in my mind for that word
 
@RoryAlsop even better! :))
 
specifically acting like the big man while fundamentally failing to actually improve the post and berating an obvious non-native English speaker in an elitist manner that he isn't elite enough to pull off
 
@TildalWave got to bed about half four this morning :-)
 
9:46 AM
@kalina yeah thus umbrage, I thought that fitted pretty well
 
@kalina remember though, that the OP should know better by this stage
 
@RoryAlsop you had a gig?
 
@TildalWave well.... we were supposed to play the support slot, but various nonsense prevented that so a mate's band filled in. So I went along anyway, and to the after party...
little bit aching from the headbanging, little bit sleepy, and I must have been singing too loud because my voice is interesting
 
@RoryAlsop is this where the prussian dominatrixes came in?
 
@RоryMcCune well - one was actually Polish.
 
9:48 AM
@RoryAlsop hahaha serves you well! :P
 
@RоryMcCune they weren't working - they were just there as friends
 
@RoryAlsop just because you think this doesn't really mean anything, people learn at different speeds
 
also Thursday night out > Friday night out anyway, Friday feels like a matinee
 
at the end of the day, he cited his sources, the issue was he didn't blockquote them
 
@kalina well - I think from the transcript there was an earlier bit where he seemed to come in and say "fix my post" - and I know, etiquette is different everywhere, but the OP has been called up on politeness quite a few times in the past
So while Gilles may have been a tad abrupt, I do understand it
And overall, Gilles did then blockquote and link correctly so he improved the post
not thinking it's a huge issue - hopefully
 
9:53 AM
@RoryAlsop: Wait, the band wasn't the scottish comic book writer and two dominatix?
 
@JourneymanGeek hahahahaha - that would be interesting
 
@JourneymanGeek engadget.com/2015/10/08/… <-- opportunity for some radio Jamming / takeover amusement there
 
@JourneymanGeek dominatrices! know your plural!!
 
@RoryAlsop everything is a GINORMOUS issue
 
@TildalWave: Sorry, English is my second language ;p
and I don't speak latin at all.
 
10:01 AM
@JourneymanGeek who said anything about your English? :P :)))
 
cute
 
@JourneymanGeek awww
to the second thing
 
(that was ~5 years ago I think. Hasn't changed that much. ;p)
 
 
1 hour later…
11:15 AM
theverge.com/2015/10/8/9479443/… <--Surface Pro Clones Galore
 
11:42 AM
To those who are interested:
 
@Simon What's that supposed to be?
 
Yeah it's hard to take a proper picture, I'd need to take 3 to make sure you guys see it fine.
Anyway, it's a skull.
 
@Simon This is headcanon murdering stuff. I did not expect you to be the person to tattoo huge skulls on his arm
 
@Arperum I don't look like this kind of person at all either so it definitely clashes on me, hehe.
 
@Simon It's also a pretty big one. Do you have any others?
 
11:49 AM
@Arperum I've got a waveform covering the bottom of my other forearm, that's it.
@AviD pls
 
fancy. I have none at the moment, but plans for a pretty big one on my back.
 
@Arperum Make sure to choose a good artist even if it means to pay much more!
 
@Simon The expected cost is ~€1k
 
@Arperum That's a good price, a back piece usually takes a long time.
This was my first session out of 2 and it cost me 660$ with tip.
 
@Simon 4-5 sessions. It's not all of my back, but I'm afk for 45 minutes now.
 
11:53 AM
120$/hour
 
@Arperum make friends with a tattoo artist...
 
@Arperum Oh wow.
 
@Arperum Think my back piece so far is about 10 hours, but the bits I want to finish it are likely to be the same again
 
@RoryAlsop What is it?
 
11:59 AM
@StackExchange but don't we, though?
 
@Simon I must have posted a pic in here
I'll go have a look
 
@Simon its the bit of your body where your spine runs
2
 
@RоryMcCune hahahahaha
@RоryMcCune yes, but what is it :-)
 
@RоryMcCune loooool pls
This reminds me of a joke I've heard yesterday: "Person 1: Let's see what points are. Person 2: They're a unit of measurement.".
 
that isn't recent - now everything is at least the same colour
 
12:03 PM
@RoryAlsop Are those angelic or demoniac wings?
'Cause we all know that you're the demoniac kind of roro.
 
But I want a dot work mandala behind it. In red. From this guy: jasoncorbett.co.uk
@Simon depends whether you consider me angelic or demoniac, really :-)
 
@RoryAlsop HEY NO NUDITY IN HERE
 
@RoryAlsop Hehe.
 
@AviD it's okay - I didn't post that picture
 
It must be a nightmare to try to sleep with a freshly made tat on your back.
 
12:05 PM
<checks>
 
@Simon he could have stole them from the angel.
after he slept with her
 
@AviD Dayum.
 
@AviD angels aren't constrained by your human ways. They are all angelic - even the evil ones
@AviD apropos of nothing...
 
yes all roros.
</simon>
 
@AviD Did you see my tattoo that I've posted above? Imagine if your daughter came home one day with a similar one.
 
12:07 PM
@Simon no
jeezus!
 
@Simon it wouldn't suit my daughters. It's a fairly masculine image (traditionally)
 
the art is beautiful, but it looks awful
 
@AviD Haha, that's perfect then.
 
@Simon - check out this guy. Used to work with my tattoo guy, but now wins all the tattoo convention prizes: facebook.com/alex.rattray
I wouldn't want a portrait, but the ones he does are utterly outstanding
an example or 4 ^
 
wow
 
12:09 PM
Yup he's good.
 
Definitely art - but not my thing at all
 
Me neither, I prefer black and gray in general.
 
cool guy though. He introduced Edinburgh tattooists to the new thing in tattoo machines. They are silent - using bearings and a motor, rather than a bell-ringer mechanism
@Simon - this is how you want to take a photo of your arm:
 
@RoryAlsop My artist is old school and prefers the loud ones :p
 
I like to be able to gently fall asleep while I get a tattoo
 
12:11 PM
@RoryAlsop That's badass.
 
very peaceful in a meditation kind of way
 
@RoryAlsop I'm assuming that's temporary work rather than permanent
 
@RoryAlsop Out of 4h30 of tattooing, there was about 20 minutes where it hurt really bad because of the spot she was doing.
The rest of the time it was fine.
 
otherwise it'd be a bit weird "Where is the rest of your picture" "well (s)he moved to another state, and now we have a gap"
 
@Simon ween?
3
 
12:12 PM
@AviD plsssss that must be soooo damn painful.
 
@RоryMcCune no - that is permanent. He won 2nd prize at Londoin tattoo convention this yeart with that
 
@RoryAlsop wow
 
@RоryMcCune folks do get tattoos in multiple sittings, but the winners of those kind of things do a Sat and Sun with up to 8 or 9 hours each day!
Check out some of the previous winning tatts (NSFW) thelondontattooconvention.com/tattoo-contest-winners
 
I don't think I'd manage to withstand 8 hours 2 days in a row.
I was so exhausted after my session, I guess the adrenaline kicked in a lot.
 
it's got to be a slog
even when you chill out, it does drain you
 
12:20 PM
@RoryAlsop Wow that's a sick tattoo
 
@RoraΖ isn't mine, obviously, but yeah - he is an epic artist
 
@RoryAlsop I almost fell asleep during my first tattoo. 4 hours in a massage chair. It's not too hard.
 
My skin is a weak ginger-type of skin, I don't think I could fall asleep.
 
@Simon pffft
 
pls, the freckles spread everywhere on my body say that I should have been a ginger.
 
12:23 PM
@Simon Well at least now you have a soul
 
@RoraΖ Woohoo!
 
I might just have to go to Edinburgh to get a tattoo from that Jason guy
 
12:45 PM
@RoryAlsop Can you introduce me?
 
@Arperum yes
that's easy
he's a lovely guy
 
The instrument with dragons on it is what I want on my back.
 
that's pretty hardcore
You may find Erik is more suited to that type of work - look at some of his stuff here tribetattoo.co.uk/index.php?pid=75
He has done 4 of mine
and he loves the heavy metal stuff
 
Damn, ninja answered by @RoryAlsop
@Arperum That would look sick
 
@RoraΖ lol - it was an accident. I was browsing new posts to see if any needed helping
 
12:51 PM
@RoryAlsop notices the fear of the dark artwork
 
@Arperum oh - he has so many Iron Maiden customers. I think one guy has all the different Eddie's tattooed on him
 
@RoryAlsop You send him a tattoo artist dressed like a clown?
 
@RoryAlsop Does that guy still have some skin left for future eddies?
 
@RoraΖ you prefer I send him this one?
That's Erik on the left
@Arperum not much
 
@RoryAlsop Well obviously
 
12:55 PM
@RoryAlsop can I have this for a Payday 2 mask?
 
Depending on how they are doing this and if the site uses SSL/TLS, all they are going to see is the Server's IP, no actual URLs. — rbialon 2 mins ago
Even if TLS is used, aren't hostnames still visible?
 
@RoraΖ you connect to IP, but you still have to make the DNS request first
 
Right, and certs still contain domain names
 
Well, you'd have to deep inspect though
well in both case in fact
 

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