The DMZ

Xander

6:00 PM

@AJHenderson Ha ha...That's awesome.

raz

Babies are creepy. Looks like an alien.

Simon

Ew, babies.

@raz No kidding.

Kisunminttu

@Simon Ew, Simons

Simon

@Kisunminttu I gotta agree with you, we're not the smartest.

AJ Henderson

@Xander yeah, that became my new avatar on Sound Design

Kisunminttu

6:04 PM

Today was my last day at the kindergarten. It was so funny, when the kids learned that they won't see me tomorrow, there was a stampede of 17 children headed my way for a hug. Made my day :)

AJ Henderson

@Kisunminttu congratulations on your graduation, enjoy 1st grade ;)

Simon

@Kisunminttu How many of them smelled bad?

Kisunminttu

@AJHenderson Thanks! Yeah, I have all my rubber coated pencils waiting for me in my new pencil case!

@Simon None of them. Preschoolers here have sort of a dreamy smell - because they shower and don't sweat like adults + wear clean clothes, they smell like "their" scent and laundry detergent.

Simon

Weird.

AJ Henderson

@Kisunminttu and playdough

Kisunminttu

6:07 PM

@Simon Ummm... so... kids smell bad where you're from?

Simon

@Kisunminttu Smell doesn't resist cold.

AJ Henderson

@Kisunminttu well, he was just speaking from personal experience ;)

Kisunminttu

@AJHenderson I did not see any playdoh during the weeks I was there! Only colouring pencils, glue and paint :)

Simon

@AJHenderson Has I just speaking from grammar?

3

trolololo

AJ Henderson

@Simon wow, I don't know how that slipped by, but point to you

Simon

6:09 PM

:p

AJ Henderson

@Kisunminttu ah yes, glue stick, that's another frequent thing to get on them

Simon

I'm too selfish to like kids for now. Also, it seems to be hard to raise a kid who won't be a complete retard, judging by our society.

AJ Henderson

@Simon see, I took that as a good reason to need to raise a kid to make sure the next generation has some people that aren't clueless

Kisunminttu

@AJHenderson Oh no, the glue sticks are with the teachers. I'm talking about the good stuff - elmer's glue

Simon

Well, that is indeed a good reason.

Kisunminttu

6:18 PM

@Simon Honestly, it's not. Just decide on values you want your kid to be raised by and be consistent. Also, for the love of God, teach your child the meaning of the word "no" and also use that word every now and then.

And I think you also need to feed them, take care of waste disposal and find a place for them to sleep.

Simon

@Kisunminttu How many parents actually sit down and discuss about the values they want to give to their children?

I wanna say it's a low amount.

But yes, that is a very important part.

Kisunminttu

@Simon All the more reason, then

I will absolutely do that when the time comes

And I will totally use a harness and leash on my kid

Those things are the bomb

Simon

rofl

AJ Henderson

honestly, I don't really think that is a new problem though, there are always parents who don't make raising their kid a priority. It's sad but true. And now, with our high level of inter-connectivity, it is easier than ever to ignore your kid

Simon

I hate it when I hear a parent (it seems to be moms who say that usually but I'm not gonna generalize) they're having kids to give a sense to their life.

That is totally wrong to me.

AJ Henderson

6:24 PM

how so, it's more right than the flipside of it. All you are really doing in this world is doing work to hopefully make things better and leave your mark for as long as possible. Not much does that better than well raised children

Simon

I don't believe an accomplished person should rely on others to find a sense in his life.

AJ Henderson

now sure, I'd hope they can find more meaning in life than just that, but in terms of priorities and the most meaningful thing people will do, raising kids is pretty far up there in terms of the actual lasting impact they will leave

it isn't relying on others

it's what you do in developing them

it isn't relying on them to go and do something for you, they are the accomplishment in and of themselves

Simon

I don't think people who say that actually spend every single bit of their energy to raise their kid in the exact way they've intended.

AJ Henderson

most work you can do will impact other people now, but in the long run, it's going to go away, but your kids are going to have kids that are going to have kids, that are going to have kids that don't remember anything you did

but they may be influenced by the foundations you setup

in a small way

@Simon ah, yeah, I get what you are saying there, and I think I agree

but I don't think that's at odds with people who see raising kids as the most important thing they are doing either

I would hope they can find other things to do additionally

that's part of why my wife is still going to be working. But we are also being careful to make sure that it doesn't negatively impact Declan

Simon

And then you have parents who divorce, that's such a positive experience for kids, le w0w.

AJ Henderson

6:31 PM

well, that's an entirely different issue I don't particularly want to get in to, but yeah

Simon

When I see a single mom who's my age, I just wanna murder her.

AJ Henderson

@Simon whoa now, I'd be far more inclined to blame the father in those cases

Simon

@AJHenderson If she would have gotten to know the father, she probably would have known it was not a good idea to have a kid with him.

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AJ Henderson

but then again, I'm a traditionalist, if you are gonna play around, you need to be ready to pay for the consequences. It isn't like people don't know how babies happen at that age

Simon

It's both of them who are to blame.

AJ Henderson

6:34 PM

@Simon yes, but she's atleast trying to fulfill her responsibility to the kid

Simon

Well yes, I can't hate her for that.

AJ Henderson

I'm not saying it was a good decision, but there's a huge difference between making a bad decision and living with it and making a bad decision and ignoring it.

Simon

OH WAIT, I got more.

Women who say they want to be "stay home moms".

That makes me sad.

They don't EVEN have a boyfriend yet and you hear her say "I wanna be a stay home mom".

AJ Henderson

@Simon clearly you haven't looked at the cost or quality of child care options

Simon

That just makes me go donut.

AJ Henderson

6:35 PM

@Simon oh, you mean as a young woman

Simon

@AJHenderson Yes!

AJ Henderson

before actually having kids

Simon

Yeeeeeep.

AJ Henderson

yeah, that's a bit premature to really even consider where you will be in life when you have kids

Simon

A stay home parent is definitely the best way to raise your child but if you don't even have a boyfriend and your goal in life is to be a stay home mom, I wanna murder you too.

AJ Henderson

6:38 PM

@Simon still probably a bit of an over-reaction, but they probably should be considering what they want to do other than just baby, because at the end of the day, once the kid is in school, they are going to have to find something to do in the day

and after the kids graduate, they will want to do something

so it is poor planning not to have some kind of plan

Simon

@AJHenderson That just sounds like an upcoming depression.

AJ Henderson

nothing wrong with planning to be a stay at home mom, but should have more life goals than just that

Simon

Absolutely.

AJ Henderson

even if it is "I want to be a stay at home mom that provides in home child care"

(like providing child care for other people's kids as well)

Simon

My greatest fear is to look back at my life when I'll be a @RoryAlsop and to not feel like a successful person.

AJ Henderson

6:39 PM

or fostering

there are certainly lots of things you can do, even if your primary goal is to work with kids

which isn't a bad goal, but simply "stay at home mom" isn't a life goal, it's a relatively small portion of your life actually

I mean, you are talking 5 to 9 years full time and another 13 to 20 years part time

that's not even a full career

I suppose it goes up if you plan to home school

Simon

Oh lawd, home school.

Way to raise anti-social kids.

AJ Henderson

clearly you aren't familiar with home schooling in most areas. It does have some significant draw backs, but in almost all cases, home schooling is done through organizations that do regular group activities as well

Simon

I don't see the point at all.

AJ Henderson

the advantages are more personalized education and possibly better quality depending on the school district. The disadvantage (and to me, it's a duzzy) is less resources available for teaching.

in terms of equipment and such

I'm not personally a fan, but I do understand the draw, particularly if I was in some areas of the country where the schools aren't as good as they are in upstate NY

Simon

Bleh, I'm a negative donut.

AJ Henderson

6:47 PM

heck, even in my case, I would have progressed much faster if I had been home schooled as my class mates were holding back the pace of my education through most of my schooling. I don't regret that I went to public school all the way through, but I can see where it was a disadvantage in some regards

(mostly because my school wasn't big on accelerating people until getting to high school)

the thing about home schooling is it is actually far more advanced than I think a lot of people realize, it isn't just mom and pop teaching "what I learned in my day". There is actually still course work and curriculum and testing and such. The only difference is who is presenting it

Xander

@Simon Yes.

I was home-schooled pretty much all the way through high school. It was great for me.

Simon

@Xander My point exactly. Look at you now, you don't even know how to shave.

#yolo /cc: @AviD

AJ Henderson

@Simon so your point is we need some third option? cause I assume you went to public schools? ;)

Xander

@Simon But think about the important things in life...At least I'm not limited to jobs writing PHP.

Simon

@AJHenderson I did. I also completed a class from home and attempted to kill myself 33 times.

@Xander BOOOOOOOOOOOM, I got murdered there.

Xander

6:55 PM

@Simon :-P

Simon

At least I'm doing CSS right now so I'm not feeling as bad.

Rory Alsop

7:21 PM

@Simon - if you look back on life as a Rory then you well have become a successful person. Q.E.D.

Bah - autocorrect

Simon

@RoryAlsop Yay :D

Rory Alsop

Did I tell you hour proud I am of my kids - latest competition they brought home 7 golds, 5 other medals, a top girl and a runner up boy trophy! :-)

Xander

@RoryAlsop Nice!

Simon

That's pretty cool.

Adnan

@RoryAlsop I saw the pics on Facebook. Super awesome!

English speakers. What verb can I use to say that I completed a task before the deadline? I want to stay away from "respected the deadline", while staying in the format "Verbed the deadline".

Made the deadline?

Kept the deadline?

I'm lost

Xander

7:29 PM

@Adnan Probably the most common form would be "met the deadline."

Adnan

@Xander Oooh.. that's the one I was looking for

Thanks, Xander

Barry Carlyon

The deadline got rekt

Xander

@Adnan Sure thing.

Adnan

@BarryCarlyon I'd rather leave "rekt" out of my cover letter

Barry Carlyon

Gosh darn it.

No one goes in the rekt these days…

Stack Exchange

7:37 PM

Blog - Stack Exchange: Podcast #61 – The “What Jay’s Done Wrong” Podcast

Abby T. Miller on November 25, 2014

Welcome to the 61st installment of the Stack Exchange Podcast, brought to you by okra (yes, that okra). On our show today are David Fullerton, Jay Hanlon, and Joel Spolsky. It’s been a long time since we last did a podcast, so let’s get started.

First point of business: we have an iPad app! It’s got a snazzier feed and a fancy live preview in the Compose view. We’ve been getting more posts from mobile than we expected, because computing via iPad is the way of the future (according to Joel), so lots of features in the iOS app are now better optimized for posting as opposed to reading. …

Rory Alsop

@Simon - it's another good reason to have kids: you can be proud of other people doing well, and know that it's down to you,at least in part

What is okra?

Simon

It's probably a new term for hipsters. @AviD, what is it?

Rory Alsop

Lol

Xander

7:59 PM

@RoryAlsop It's a vegetable that's lovely when fried.

Also used as a thickening agent in some dishes.

Simon

You're a thickening agent in some dishes.

Rory Alsop

8:25 PM

Ahh. Don't know if we get it here. Haven't seen it.

Xander

@RoryAlsop I think it's African in origin...It's big here in the Southern U.S. as a component of soul food.

Rоry McCune

8:56 PM

@Adnan but but .... #Yolo

@RoryAlsop maybe one of those american things that have odd names like cilantro or eggplant

Xander

@RоryMcCune Don't be jealous of our better words.

Rоry McCune

@Xander took me ages to work out it referred to corriander and aubergines

David Freitag

I really hope it rains all day tomorrow

Rоry McCune

@DavidFreitag how come?

David Freitag

@RоryMcCune Because the alternative is 10" of snow

Rоry McCune

9:00 PM

@DavidFreitag Ah I C. yeah we're not quite at the snow stage of the year yet..

apart from the odd dusting on the tops of hills

David Freitag

It's supposed to stay above freezing all day though

And the closer we get the temperatures go up. It's been near or at 60°F for the past two days

Rоry McCune

@DavidFreitag well fingers crossed for no snowmageddon then!

Xander

@RоryMcCune We have coriander too. For us, coriander is the seeds, and cilantro is the plant. We don't limit ourselves. And that other word is ridiculous. It sounds like you borrowed it from the French.

David Freitag

@RоryMcCune Snowmageddon? That amount of snow is normal here. Albeit a major pain in the ass.

Rоry McCune

@Xander fair point, but eggplant... what's it got to do with eggs?

@DavidFreitag 10" in a day... that's a fair quantity of snow, that'd be bad here

David Freitag

9:04 PM

@RоryMcCune Last winter we got 26" in one day

and then another 18" the next

Xander

@RоryMcCune Well, if it's completely dark, and you squint enough, it's almost egg shaped. But, yeah, you have me there.

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Rоry McCune

@DavidFreitag .... that's a lot whereabouts are you?

David Freitag

Now that was snowmageddon.

@RоryMcCune About a few hundred miles south of Canaduh in Connecticut

Rоry McCune

@DavidFreitag ah so north of new york ways, weird how you get that much snow and we get a lot less, despite being a ways north of you..

David Freitag

@RоryMcCune No pretty much east of New York. Not as high as buffalo. Last year was crazy. Snow started falling on halloween and stopped in march

Rоry McCune

9:38 PM

►

^not something you hear everyday, metal/georgian folk song mashup

Adnan

9:49 PM

Well, that was fast. Apparently I'm having an interview on the 4th of December (Background: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/18777136#18777136)

@RоryM @RoryA @Xander Everybody

What should I do? I'm freaking out

My first interview for an actual 100% information security position

Xander

@Adnan Sweet!

Adnan

What should I prepare?

Rоry McCune

@Adnan \o/ interview .. so general tips 'cause I don't know the company. Research the role, have some sensible questions to ask, have some good answers to general stuff like "why do you want to work here" and "where do you see yourself in 5 years". If you can find out about the interview format in advance that's cool (do they do any hands on stuff or is it likely to just be talking)

Adnan

It's an entry-level infosec position

Rоry McCune

e.g. when I interviewed for a pentest job they had me run some basic nmap/nessus/metasploit style stuff

Adnan

9:52 PM

@RоryMcCune Got this through an open application. No clue what the position actually is

Rоry McCune

@Adnan hmm trickier, well if you know what the company does and the kind of likely roles, that should lead you in the right direction.

Industry/consultancy etc

Adnan

@RоryMcCune Been researching the company for a year now. I know them inside out

Props for @Scott, by the way. Thanks for the LinkedIn introduction

Rоry McCune

@Adnan that's a good thing (tm) (you'd be amazed at the people who turn up at interviews without having done that)

Kisunminttu

@Adnan SO happy for you :* :*

Xander

@Adnan So, four things. 1) Learn all you can about the company you're interviewing with. 2) Prepare pertinent, specific questions. 3) Take a look at the job requisition, and look at reference material that may be useful for the kinds of things they're looking for. 4) Don't stress out. At the absolute worst, it's practice for future interviews. So, relax, be positive, and know that it can only end well for you.

@Adnan Ha, so you have #1 covered.

Rоry McCune

9:54 PM

@Adnan absolutely what @Xander says about don't stress, worst outcome is good interview practice :)

TildalWave

@RоryMcCune is "as your boss" a good answer to "where do you see yourself in 5 years"?

Adnan

@RоryM @Xander I've got the general interview part covered. I've had a few of those already. My only concern is that it's my first infosec-job interview

Any tips on that in particular?

Xander

@TildalWave Hardee har har.

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave @Adnan and don't listen to the man with the funny yellow avatar :op

TildalWave

hey just my outfit and props are yellow!

Rоry McCune

9:56 PM

@Adnan so there it kind of depends on the company. Some (generally larger) uk co's go in for "competancy based interviews" where they ask stuff like "tell us a time when you've had had a disagreement with a coworker and how you resolved it"

they're all pretty similar googling "competency based interview questions" gives loads of exampels

I'm personally not a fan, but they're easier if you've given them a bit of though in advance

Adnan

@RоryMcCune I think they're around 150 people

Rоry McCune

@Adnan so hopefully they'll have avoided the curse of big HR so far then :)

Adnan

@RоryMcCune That's the only reason I got so far. I managed to talk to a guy high up over beers

Again, thanks to @Scott

Since they're not so big, there weren't many restrictions

Journeyman Geek

._.

Rоry McCune

general thing is have a couple of relatively soft-ball q's about the company keyed up, 'cause they'll ask if you have any questions, although you can always say "no I think you covered everything here" and that's not a bad answer. Also avoid asking direct stuff about things like how many "holidays do I get" you can cover that with HR/in an offer letter later

Adnan

10:00 PM

@RоryMcCune All employment-related stuff are heavily regulated in Finland (minimum salaries, holidays, etc.), so I know them in advance

Rоry McCune

@Adnan coolio

Journeyman Geek

@RoryAlsop: sounds roughly like what happened at the interview I had last week ;p

got pelted with a ton of basic technical questions

Adnan

@RоryMcCune I already prepared a few questions. "What kind of a team the successful candidate would be working in?", and two questions related to things they bring up in the interview

Rоry McCune

@Adnan yeah that's a good one

@JourneymanGeek heh those are fun as long as you know the answer :)

Adnan

I'm only worried about the technical part. I'll prepare basic metasploit stuff, basic nmap, OWASP Top 10, TCP basics, basic crypto, etc.

Journeyman Geek

10:02 PM

Though most of my questions were when I got to see the server room

Adnan

Does that sound in the right direction?

Journeyman Geek

@RoryAlsop: I think I aced that.

Xander

@Adnan If you don't have a specific job description, then just be confident in what you know. During the interview, think about how you can apply the specific skills and experience you already have to situations they're facing, and address those.

@Adnan It's certainly harder when you're going in blind, but if you think of it not as a test, but as an exploratory meeting to examine how you could help them as a consultant (regardless of what the actual position is) then you're prepared to sell yourself in way that will most appeal to them.

Journeyman Geek

(Actually, I got one or two wrong, but the interviewer didn't seem to notice)

Rоry McCune

@Adnan oh yeah if you hit something you don't know the specific answer to, you can use something like " well I don't know the exact syntax for x but I'd approach looking for it in this way", shows that you can find the answers needed, but perhaps best to avoid "well I'd just ask the bear" :op

Journeyman Geek

10:04 PM

The bear?

Rоry McCune

@JourneymanGeek yeah a load of interviewers have sheets provided by others and they may not know all the answers themselves..

Adnan

Feels like I'm going on my first date and you guys are giving me advice

Journeyman Geek

@RoryAlsop: didn't look like it

Rоry McCune

@JourneymanGeek @ThomasPornin

Adnan

@Xander Lovely!

Xander

10:04 PM

-3

Q: Best encryption to date?

My question is simple and my details should make for easier answering. I am an old school AES hackspert, but since my days of the 90's is long past, I need to know what is the best way to encrypt a data partition. I am looking for something that will take years to crack under the current Wilson ...

encryption

This smells strongly of troll.

Rоry McCune

@Adnan yeah that's good advice from @Xander I always try to treat interviews as a conversation

rather than an interrrogation

Journeyman Geek

(for example, I mixed up raid 3/4 and 5. But I did mention I didn't generally use raid, and didn't remember the names ;p)

Adnan

@RоryMcCune Yup, I've been on that road before. I was once asked how I'd create a user with a home directory in CentOS

Rоry McCune

@JourneymanGeek yeah and that kind of exact definition you can always look up at the time..

Adnan

I completely forgot the switch that automatically create the home directory

David Freitag

10:06 PM

Hehe hackspert

Rоry McCune

@Adnan but then "man adduser" is always around :)

Journeyman Geek

;p

dosen't adduser create a home directory by default?

Adnan

@RоryMcCune Exactly. I told them a polite and interview-friendly version of that

tylerl

Rоry McCune

@JourneymanGeek yeah but I always get that and useradd mixed up if I haven't used them in a while

tylerl

10:07 PM

Well, that escalated quickly.

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TildalWave

@Xander with such writing skills he's just fine leaving everything unencrypted

Adnan

@TildalWave That's my new favourite answer to PrivacyNazis. "You don't really need to worry about the privacy of your email; your grammar and spelling are so bad that nobody will be able to understand anything anyway"

Journeyman Geek

'hackspert' should be a hanging offense

Adnan

Well, thanks a lot for the tips, everybody. Will update you whenever I get something new

David Freitag

@Adnan Good luck!

TildalWave

10:21 PM

I still don't get it what is TPK? TKIP perhaps?

Xander

@TildalWave I think he made it up.

David Freitag