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2:00 PM
@Simon ...
 
@Simon 50,-?
 
I KNEW IT.
@Lighty YOU DON'T EVER MAKE SENSE.
 
normally, in the netherlands when you say " 50 euros?" to a girl, youre basicly calling her a prostitute
 
@RoryAlsop Does your company apply the Rory test? 1) Have you followed me on Twitter. 2) Have you liked my band's Facebook page. 3) Have you been to one of my concerts? 4) Do you own one of my albums?
 
take the hint, donut ;)
 
2:01 PM
@Lighty I don't fucking live in NL.
 
@TerryChia hahahahaha; maybe not for the entire company...
 
@Lighty Oi. We can mock @Simon. You cannot.
 
@Lighty I didn't understand what ,- meant in your postabove
 
@TerryChia meanie, keeping al the flesh to yourself
 
2:14 PM
@ThomasPornin Is it snowing in QC city?
 
In older times, when someone said "I am being followed", it was understood to be ominous and creepy, and called for retaliatory action (e.g. calling the police).
@Simon No, sunny with a few sparse clouds. We expect freezing next night, but not falling water.
 
@ThomasPornin Damn. Is it me or it's particularly cold for this time of the year?
 
@Simon According to weather records, we are slightly below average temperatures for mid-September, but nothing unheard of.
 
Ah.
 
A few years ago, it snowed a bit (about 10 cm) in Québec on October 5th.
 
2:18 PM
@Simon A Canadian complaining about the cold? What? Is it -30 degrees over there?
 
@ThomasPornin I'm sure it was pure chaos that day on the road.
 
What is happening is that @Simon does not have his winter-training yet.
@Simon No, it is in Québec. We have roads but we don't have cars.
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Exactly. I will be fine in a few weeks.
@ThomasPornin Haha, how lucky.
 
The way it was explained to me is that Québec, being the capitale nationale, had to have the biggest highways and roads, though it is far from having the same traffic as Montréal.
 
At least they're future-proof, unlike Montréal.
 
2:21 PM
There are daily jams on the two bridges, but most of the time traffic is fluid, and a bit of snow does not imply chaos because there is room to drive around stalled cars. Plus, the bus never stops for anything, and maintains a snow-free corridor.
 
Yeah that's great. Is there's an accident here on, let's say, the 40, everyone's fucked.
 
A contrario, there is a 3cm snow fall about once every other year in Paris, and it does imply Armageddon (all public transportation stops, hundreds of kilometers of jams, people blocked overnight in their cars, and people clamouring for the mayor's head at the end of a pike).
 
Now that school's back, it also looks like bad drivers came back to work. I don't remember driving through a car crash once this summer and it's happening at least once every week now, sometimes twice a day.
@ThomasPornin Yeah I heard about that on the news, that's kind of sad.
 
@Simon L'Enfer, c'est les autres (J.P. Sartre)
 
@ThomasPornin Tehe, very accurate.
 
2:26 PM
@ThomasPornin is using SHA1 for certificates considered insecure?
I saw this blog post about google starting to give warnings for SSL certificates where SHA1 was used
 
@LucasKauffman it is already considered weak, so this is a perfectly expected progression - it helps persuade folks to move from SHA-1
they said they would do this some time ago
 
@LucasKauffman No practical attacks at this point in time.
 
@RoryAlsop Yes, but does the bear agree or not. That's the important part here!
 
@LucasKauffman Not by me.
It is good that people support SHA-256. Planning actual removal of SHA-1 support in 2016 or 2017 is harsh, though.
I deem it probable that Microsoft and Google will backpedal at some point, and not really remove SHA-1 support for X.509 certificates at that date.
It is worth noting that though MD5 collisions can be produced in less than 1 second on a PC, leverageing these collisions into actual colliding certificates two several months of computations, and require the CA to use predictable serial numbers.
In that sense, even MD5 is not really "insecure" for certificates, if the involved entities (CA) apply some care (and, in any case, you want the CA to be careful, by construction).
SHA-1 is very far from the level of brokenness of MD5, so it is even safer.
 
The bear has spoken!
@Tylerl Tell Larry he's wrong!
 
2:37 PM
do you guys ever teach students this stuff? its interesting
 
@Lighty I shunned an academic career; I am a mercenary. So I don't get to teach students often.
Instead, I lob knowledge at my colleagues, whether they like it or not.
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lulz
 
because around all DMZ-like chats, this shit is still too interesting for me to ignore xD
 
We're so lucky.
 
@Rory one of my friends said this, brilliant
> Coming back to Scotland, it'll be funny if it came out that the fate of a United UK depended on a large number of inebriated beer-swigging Scottish voters.
 
2:42 PM
@Lighty Wish I could say the same about you.
 
When are results on the Scottish vote expected ?
 
@ThomasPornin tomorrow morning
 
@ThomasPornin 19th, 7:00 is what Wikipedia says
 
I mean "reasonably accurate estimates"
Usually you get them earlier.
 
@ThomasPornin I've not seen any indication of exit polling yet and with the polls so close, it may be then before anyone really knows...
 
2:47 PM
@ThomasPornin I wonder if this would make someone here pull a #yolo and request another vote.
 
@RоryMcCune Drat. I was really looking forward to rejoice tonight at the discomfiture of the English.
 
@ThomasPornin Schadefruede?
 
@ThomasPornin hahahahahaha.
 
@Lighty Oh, I don't derive pleasure from the misfortunes of others. I just rejoice at the misfortunes of the English.
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It is called historical atavism.
 
@ThomasPornin what about the french? :P
 
2:49 PM
In the words of Erik, why stop at England: youtube.com/watch?v=niylLEqzBe0
 
@Lighty he's french.
 
@ThomasPornin heh, well the ways it's if there's a no vote there'll be discomfiture aplenty in westminster as the party leads try to deliver what they promised without actually getting the backing of parliament
 
boeffeur de grenouille
 
Canadian != French....
i mean the people
in FRANCE
europe
 
@ThomasPornin so either way you can drink to the discomfiture of the english today and you should be safe
 
2:50 PM
they're like itallians
but.... french!
 
@Lighty Yeah, but French = French
Thomas = French
 
@Lighty yea, Thomas is FRENCH, from the FRANCE in EUROPE
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nearly Canadian (that's right innit @Thomas?)
 
where they eat SNAILS and FROGLEGGS
which is quite nice actually
 
ahw, now i can't make innapropiate french jokes );
 
2:51 PM
with some garlic butter
 
@RoryAlsop Still waiting for the administrative process to come through (but I passed the exam).
 
lunch with my youngest today - proper Canadian Maple syrup
 
@ThomasPornin You survived a friendly moose trampling by applying maple syrup to the wounds?
 
@Lighty He, I am French. This means that I am quite fond of French jokes -- as long as they are funny.
 
@ThomasPornin Exam to proof you are nice enough to become canadian?
 
2:52 PM
@Arperum My sister was bitten by a moose once
 
@Arperum He survived and said sorry to the moose
 
@LucasKauffman Yes, something like that. There are devious question, like the one where they ask you whether "Canadian constitution guarantees you the right to own several wives". I don't know what happens if you answer "yes" to that one.
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@ThomasPornin getting trampled by a moose?
 
@ThomasPornin was there an "I wish" option?
 
2:54 PM
@Lighty I did met two moose last month; they crossed the road about 20 meters from me.
Damn, what is the plural of "moose" ? "Meese" ?
 
@ThomasPornin yes.
(was that a question on the form?)
 
@RoryAlsop No... the form was in French (I could get the English one, though, if I had wanted, because Canadian constitution does guarantee plurilinguism).
"moose (plural moose or mooses or meese)"
The moose has no less than three accepted plurals.
 
and how about USA intake exams?
just one question: "MURICA?!"
 
A magnificent beast indeed.
 
@ThomasPornin What languages do they guarantee? Or just "anything goes".
 
2:57 PM
and if you dont respond with "Fuck Yea!", you get shot
 
@Arperum English and French. And Inuktitut in the Nunavut.
 
@ThomasPornin Just like Belgium probably guarantees Dutch, French and German in the appropriate regions.
 
@Arperum and fries
 
@Lighty Being a Belgian myself, I'm pretty damn certain that "fries" is not a language. It's food.
 
3:04 PM
Don't bears eat these things?
 
@Simon Bears are known not to be stupid.
 
Apparently, if you pretend to be bigger than them, they will not attack you. That's somewhat stupid.
 
Bears know that a human is more trouble to catch than it is worth.
 
Probably, yeah.
 
@Simon why pretend when you can have a donut?
 
3:06 PM
@TildalWave My thoughts exactly.
 
Scientific studies have concluded that polar bears do look at humans as possible preys, but consider them tasteless when compared to seals.
(I don't exactly know how they can conclude that without making experiments involving repeatedly presenting seal meat and human meat conjointly to polar bears.)
I'd love to see the comments from the ethics committee on that one.
 
@ThomasPornin so where do navy SEALs fit in all of this? :)
 
@TildalWave "The best advice is to stay clear and avoid polar bears at all cost."
That's part of what the SEAL Surviving Guide says on polar bears.
"If you play dead with a polar bear it will eat you."
"If you try to outrun a polar bear on the ice it will catch you quickly."
That book's advice is not as helpful as it promises.
 
I bet they didn't even try to throw donuts at them.
But we can't blame them, really. Who would want to waste a such divinity?
 
@ThomasPornin hehehe good one, what a bunch of donuts!
 
3:14 PM
"If it comes down to hand-to-hand combat, again go for the nose and eyes." Who wrote that, Chuck Norris ?
 
ROFL
 
@LucasKauffman I assume you would enjoy this:
 
@Simon NOTHING came down the tunnel! I am disappoint.
 
@RoryAlsop You need to truly love the beat and then you would be able to see the waveform of the Acid synth in the tunnel.
 
@Simon ahhh - nope. Sorry
 
3:24 PM
Or maybe you actually need to be on Acid, not sure.
 
@Simon that sort of thing never made me like that sort of music
 
@RoryAlsop You've done Acid? ô_ô
 
4:00 PM
@Simon these are things one should not comment on in a public forum
you donut :-)
 
:D
 
anyone fancy adding a better answer here:
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Q: Is email less secure than voicemail, snail mail, or internet portals for transferring sensitive information?

Kenny LJWhere I am in the US, health care providers refuse to send anything through email (e.g. even something as trivial as an appointment reminder). Often they claim that email is not secure. Instead they will send me information (e.g. appointment reminders, messages from my doctor) through voicemail...

 
4:26 PM
@RoryAlsop On it.
 
4:38 PM
at a risk of being yet again distasteful ...
@Xander TWSS?
 
@RoryAlsop Done.
 
Hey it's [almost, but no cigar] Friday, I have a hard time thinking any more conceptually than this. :P
 
@TildalWave Ha ha,
 
@TildalWave It's Thursday you donut.
 
@Simon Shit!
 
4:41 PM
@TildalWave Err...Friday?
 
:))))
Why did it feel like it's Friday? :O
I need a drink, I just gained a whole day by lack of focus, maybe I can do this indefinitely?
 
@TildalWave If you could remain in the same day indefinitely, why would you choose it to be a Thursday ?
 
@ThomasPornin Hey, this Thursday chose me!
 
@TildalWave Because it is Friday.
@TildalWave TWHS!
 
OH MY GOD
I JUST POSTED AN ANSWER
100k rep SOON
@Xander Thanks for the comment.
 
5:00 PM
@Simon Certainly. Irrelevant commentary annoys me, and requires correction.
 
@Xander I personally hate the ellipsis, it sounds kind of arrogant to me.
 
Mmmm...Chia tea coffee. I suspected this would be good. I was right.
 
5:27 PM
Oh c'mon a downvote? Really? I still can't find any confirmation that Dream Chaser indeed integrates LES into its body, plus, it makes me wonder why did I even bother. There was no publicly available information on the contrary at the time of writing this. Just ask for deletion next time and I'll be glad to oblige if and when it proves wrong. Thanks! (BTW it's not about reputation, I could care less about how many fake internet points I have, but I do care about what company I keep - and Space Exploration is supposed to be a community effort, not a conglomerate of each for themselves boffins). — TildalWave ♦ 22 mins ago
I intentionally used "boffins" because I know that one of BIS (Boffins In Space) downvoted it and upvoted an alternative answer (without even having any evidence either way)
 
Best. XSS. Ever. That is all.
This is the funniest XSS I’ve seen: using DNS TXT records to mess with a website: http://who.is/dns/jamiehankins.co.uk
 
@Xander hahaha brilliant!
How's "The Vote" going? Any interesting developments?
 
5:45 PM
"'No' votes cling to slight lead in Scotland's referendum"
 
What's the % needed anyway?
 
@TildalWave 50% + one guy.
 
or a gal ;)
interesting, I would have thought that a higher majority would be required
 
hmm I was exploring Space.SE just a moment ago
 
@Omen welcome to the deep end of the pool :)
 
5:51 PM
@Omen Did it turn you into an insane donut like @TildalWave?
 
@Simon I was insane long before :P
 
@Simon I am already an insane donut
@TildalWave thank you muchly
@TildalWave your answer on Space.SE is very good!
 
@Omen Thanks, but which one? Only about 270 of them, plus a few I deleted by now for various reasons
 
@TildalWave the one about the Dream Catcher.. what you were mentioning above
 
@TildalWave Yeah you silly donut, keep track of what you're saying, tsk tsk.
 
5:56 PM
@Omen Dream Chaser ;) Dreamcatcher is some native American thing that you hang over the crib
Also a novel by Stephen King
 
@TildalWave lol, yes... it's 4am here...lol and I have only had 4 coffees
 
not a very good one, ends like so many others with an octopus in love
was made into a movie tho, first hour of it is nearly bearable
 
@Xander heh, that's a nice one. I have some <marquee> text in a web server header on my site for all the services that scrape that info. I've caught a couple out over the years not sanitizing it...
 
odd.. it's the butt-crack of dawn here and there is a lady (neighbour) outside, maybe in her late 80's wearing a bikini.... there is no pool anywhere near here....
 
@RоryMcCune Ha, nice.
 
6:13 PM
@Omen sounds like someone will have to be the good samaritan and help the poor old lady getting home
 
@TildalWave I went out to help, but another neighbour helped her home
I live in an awesome townhouse estate
she'll be okay, the community health van is here
 
Old age, dementia ... my missus says it's a nature's way of forcing us back into innocence so we can be born again as such
 
that is very true - she is in good hands - I recognise the community health van outside her apartment - a lot of activity here at 4:30am
I don't think she has any family nearby, so us neighbours and the community carers have been keeping an eye on her
I can do very little at the moment... injuries recently have hampered my mobility
 
6:34 PM
@Xander Wow! This is quite cool!
 
hey @Adnan what is your view of Scottish independence?
 
@Xander I love it!
 
@Adnan Yeah, it's pretty awesome.
 
@Omen Until tomorrow morning, my name is Aodhàn
 
oh?
 
6:38 PM
@Omen Personally, I'm on the "No" side.
 
@Adnan it's not what your profile says tho
 
I am leaning that way myself
anyway, good people, I must go and endure some pain ... part of my recovery is my Friday morning gym sessions
 
What's the Scottish Gaelic for "TildalWave"? "TildeSmèid"?
or maybe "Tonn", says here it's a noun and smèid is a verb glosbe.com/en/gd/wave
hmmm or "Bàlla"
and new wave = toiseach
me confused :O
 
6:55 PM
1600 rep!! @Adnan I'm coming for your ass you donut.
Ugh, that didn't sound well at all, god damn it.
 
@Xander I'll put you on the list of sec.se people. That has to be enough.
 
anyone care to predict how long it'll be before iOS8 uptake amongst apple types exceeds Android 4.4's uptake amonngst googly people...
 
@CodesInChaos Ha ha. Fair enough.
 
I'd bet by the end of the weekend
 
@RоryMcCune That is aggressive...But yeah, it might happen.
 
7:00 PM
@CodesInChaos Can you add me to the donut list?
 
IIRC 4.4 is at ~25%.
 
@Xander well according to mixpanel.com/trends/#report/ios_8/… iOS8 is just under 20% at the moment
 
@RоryMcCune Ha, well, that didn't take long.
 
> Announcing Keyless SSL
 
wat
How is that gonna work?
 
7:05 PM
@Simon like a doughnut
 
^_^
I'll read that later.
 
@Simon They are going to explain tomorrow. Perhaps as somebody cleverly quipped on Twitter they have "discovered the HSM" or a process that works in generally the same manner. That's certainly what it looks like from the diagram. It isn't really "keyless" is just that the key isn't on their servers.
 
Oh.
Mingy little donuts.
 
@Simon The blog is, in fact, pretty clear.
 
@ThomasPornin Yeah, I'll read it tonight.
It looks clear.
 
7:12 PM
The thing to understand is that Cloudflare specializes in managing your network traffic for you.
This is the problem they are trying to solve: how to convince big people (say, banks) to buy Cloudflare's services.
It turned out that banks are eager to let Cloudflare handle the DDoS, but don't want to give them the keys for the SSL certificates.
 
Is not having to manage a key that much of an improvement anyway?
 
So, instead, Cloudflare runs all the SSL but, instead of having the SSL private key, they talk to a server which remains on the bank side and does the crypto operation upon request from Cloudflare.
@Simon This is like a HSM, replacing hardware shielding with remoteness.
 
Note to self: also read about HSM.
 
Basically, Cloudflare says that they don't want to do "security theatre" and then they proceed to do a big piece of security theatre.
The gain, from the point of view of the bank, is marginal: what they get is that in case of attack, the villains may use their private key at will but won't run away with it.
 
@Xander You could do SSL without verifying certificates. No need for any securely-stored key then. (I banged my head on the wall real hard, then told them to call it “TCP” instead of “SSL”.)
 
7:17 PM
@ThomasPornin also they may not have to disclose to the regulators that they lost it :)
 
@ThomasPornin it's not so marginal: if they discover the breach, they can stop using the key immediately, without having to wait for revocation to go through and hope that clients do honor the revocation
 
This means that even if attackers hijack the actual SSL server (on Cloudflare's machines), then, the moment they get kicked out, their power stops. Attackers cannot run away while still being able to impersonate the server or decrypt future connections.
It is similar to the benefits from HSM: they won't prevent attacks, but damage is somewhat contained.
Mind the small print: this protects future connections, not past connections.
 
@Gilles Ha. Nice.
 
7:47 PM
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Q: Whoa! Why were my answers deleted, and reputation annihilated to 1. (please move to meta)

landroniSee subject. What exactly happened? These two answers got deleted for no apparent or communicated reason: What voip client support manual encryption? Can Skype chat be protected from snooping? Are there safe alternatives? Both answers are my own original work, address the questions at hand...

good luck :)
 
7:58 PM
@Xander We should make a new year's resolution to make it till 10k LOL
 
@TildalWave I can't be bothered. I'm just happy to be on the first page final. Albeit the very last position on the first page.
 
@Xander There's alternatives to writing more answers, like, say, demanding moar upvotes :)
 
@TildalWave Anyhoo, I know what his answers were, because I flagged one of them as potential spam. It ticked all of the boxes.
@TildalWave Ha ha, true.
 
@Xander So it was astroturfing?
 
I have hit a fairly absurd number of rep trains lately, completely by accident.
 
8:00 PM
Like, a vague semi-baked answer here with a link to a blog post where it's explained in more detail?
 
Baked like donuts.
 
@TildalWave Astroturfing is a pretty broad term. But yes, I'd say it certainly appeared to be that way, and more specifically, it appeared to be spam.
 
@Xander I did so on space during my "quiet month" when I was supposed to be on vacation. Somehow nearly all my answers rep-trained ... felt ... weird.
 
@TildalWave I won't say "was" because I can't speak to his actual affiliation or motive.
 
choo choo
 
8:04 PM
@Xander Oh we had tons of "seemingly almost answers with a subtle link to purchasable micro keylogger" not too long ago, was one of such?
hmmm purchasable doesn't sound right, what's the word I'm looking for?
 
@TildalWave No, not subtle at all. It was a "use this product" with links all over the answer to various pages on the company's website.
@TildalWave purchase?
Purchase is the verb.
 
@Xander as in the ability of being purchased ... but not a.k.a. corruptable but for an actual product
 
"purchasable" is in the form of an adjective, but I'm not aware of it being a word in common use.
 
yeah well I'm not in common use either so that's OK then :)
 
More typically you'd see a construction like "for sale" or "available."
 
8:12 PM
@Xander My brain must be borked then. I always think "buyable" not "for sale"
 
yeah those would do thanks
 
@Xander Both Wiktionary and Merriam-Webster know about it.
 
Some English adjectives are rather non-intuitive. In my language such form would be perfectly OK and if I meant corruptable or bribable I'd simply add a diminutive prefix to it
it would sound something like petty- then
 
"Purchasable" is perfectly OK in English.
 
@ThomasPornin I'm not surprised...It makes sense, it's just not a common word.
 
8:20 PM
@TildalWave purchasable, a perfectly cromulent English word
 
Americans don't use it because it contains too many letters, that's all.
 
@ThomasPornin For instance, I don't think I've ever seen it used in any form of advertisement.
 
hmmm that's interesting, I also thought so at first, then I checked and all the sites suggested it's an adjective with a negative connotation akin to bribable
 
@ThomasPornin Speaking of Americans and our quirks:
Regardless of the #IndyRef result in Scotland, this is how many Americans will always see Great Britain & Ireland 😭😭 http://t.co/ZcGeMQPb53
 
@Simon Whoa! You wrote an answer!
 
8:31 PM
@Adnan I know right!
 
Only 10 hours away!
 
From?
 
@Simon The Scotland vote results!
If the 'No' wins, I'll win 50 EUR!
 
Oh cool, it's gonna be interesting for sure.
Haha, nice bet.
 
This is a place to get partial results starting in a bout half an hour apps.graphicnews.com/links/gn_swf/swf-32000-32499/GN32204W/…
 
8:40 PM
enough coding for today
time to go home
 
@LucasKauffman What have you been coding?
 
God my memory is so bad. I can barely remember something that happened this morning
 
@Adnan doing the Scala signature course
 
@LucasKauffman Coursera?
 
@Adnan yea
 
8:44 PM
Pretty sweet
 
8:54 PM
@CodesInChaos How do those Twitter lists work then? Useful for anything else than merely organizing things around? What does it do if I subscribe to one but I follow all of the list members anyway?
I guess it would add all of its tweets to my feed but since I'd already have them - nothing changes unless you also change the list?
So by subscribing I'm kinda saying I trust your judgement? ... hmmm ....
A bit of a tall order to blindly trust someone that recently admitted to not caring much for beer :P
 
@JeffFerland Is your janitor still doing a great job?
 
9:10 PM
@Simon Yeah, they're keeping it clean
 
@JeffFerland it?
 
Note to cmder users: You need to close and reopen cmder if you modify the PATH.
 
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Q: How to locally validate DNSSEC?

Eng .. AbdalmonemI want to simulate the process of chain of trust validation locally , I do the following :- 1) signed my zone. 2) unbound installed , but i can not configure it for DNSSEC validation could you help ? How can i set unbound to see and validate my zone. How to add my ds to server ? How to set...

 
9:42 PM
@JeffFerland Damn it. Let them know that you can have access to a foreign (Canadian) janitor if needed.
 
10:10 PM
Scotland: DON'T OPEN THE BOXES! Encase them in concrete, uncounted & uncountable. BE THE ONLY QUANTUM-STATE STATE ON EARTH! #VoteSchrodinger
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10:53 PM
Patronising BT Lady's ballot paper: Scottish Independence: ☐ Yes ☐ No ✔ Cereal
 
11:49 PM
@RоryMcCune @RoryAlsop Reading some of your turnout numbers is pretty embarrassing to the US.
 
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