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12:00 AM
The first episode of this season was a bit of a let down, but it picks back up with 04x02
 
12:23 AM
@RoryAlsop I just found this meta.stackexchange.com/questions/195038/hack-at-the-hacking-tag which I'd completely forgotten about. This being SO, the tags are still there
It's nice to be on a site where moderation works. Thank you @RoryAlsop @AviD @Jeff Ferland @HendrinkBrummermann — and all the community members who help
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12:43 AM
@ScottPack agreed, 4x2 was a fantastic part
4x3 is also pretty good
 
12:55 AM
cc @RоryMcCune you might be interested in this: Backdoors in Wi-Fi routers, said to be closed, can be reopened
another ugly face of the cheap and cheerful networking industry
 
 
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2:25 AM
@ScottPack I don't know. I liked Oberyn.
 
 
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3:27 AM
@TerryChia Oh, so do I. It's just a bit of a disappointing start to a season.
It has the problem of picking up in the middle of a book immediately after a major climax so there's nothing to hook you in.
 
@Gilles - no problem:-)
 
@ScottPack True. The next few episodes were excellent though.
 
I only had to edit five or six and delete one (it was closed and unsalvageable so I didn't bother giving it a new tag)
Morning @Terry
 
@RoryAlsop Morning. I'm surprised you are around at this time.
 
@TerryChia Oh yes. 02 really hit a few buttons for me and 03 did a good job of setting some new ones up.
HI @RORY
 
3:32 AM
On my way to airport. Vegas, baby!
 
For what?
 
@RoryAlsop Going to see some dwarves I presume?
 
My boss is flying out in about 8 hours
 
ISACA global leadership conference, and some sight seeing with the wife
And dwarves obviously
No, no dwarves
Not this time
 
I doubt that's why she's going
 
3:35 AM
Shopping...
 
No, my boss, not your wife
 
Hahahaha
 
It's really not that funny.
 
No, but it is 4:30 in the morning, which makes everything funnier
 
That's true
 
 
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5:32 AM
 
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A: What are the security measures preventing someone from chartering a 747 and using it to commit a terrorist attack?

Steve V.I haven't spoken to any terrorists, so the only source I have for this is Bruce Schneier, but apparently, they're hard to pull off. Objectively, this makes sense; if they were easy, there would be more of them. For the sake of not referencing any actual living or dead person, let's call our sup...

Brilliant answer!
> Okay, but what about an opponent who has lots of money, enough willing people to pull off the plan, resources to get them in place and provide the proper training, all while disguising the source? A vast conspiracy? Well, yes, those exist. They're called nations, and other nations go to war with them over things like that. But at that point, it's not really terrorism anymore, is it?
 
5:53 AM
Yeah, I guess "crashing" is the plane's default behavior. And if you chartered the plane, the pilot works for you and you can just say, "Uh, Captain, can I get your opinion? Does this handkerchief smell like chloroform to you?" — Malvolio 11 hours ago
that thread is quite entertaining :)
 
@TildalWave Indeed. :)
Google employs thousands of people sitting in front of computers whose sole job is snatching up domain names when they become available. — Terry Chia 41 secs ago
 
 
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7:52 AM
Dear lord! The UK visa people has milked dry of information and money. At one point, I thought I was being scammed, but I can see I'm making payments to a .gov.uk site.
Application processing fees.
Appointment fees.
Interview fees.
 
8:06 AM
@Gilles you're most welcome :-)
@ScottPack @TildalWave it was a good episode, but that part was a bit, I dunno, anti-climactic, or at least unsatisfying.
@TerryChia which one's Oberyn again?
ahh yes, he is cool, I like how he was introduced.
I seem to be getting Martell and Tyrell confused.
@ScottPack see, 03 was fantastic, and immensely satisfying. Not for @LucasKauffman though.
 
8:34 AM
@AviD gwhat?
 
GoT. Satisfying. Not for you.
 
@AviD Why not? Not enough gay scenes?
 
heh, actually there were some of those. I take it back.
 
@AviD The boobies of the red head girl were nice
@AviD and the final scene was quite nice
 
how many times did you have to pause/unpause to catch that?
 
8:36 AM
@AviD I bet you enjoyed the scene with your mother?
 
@LucasKauffman yeah I loved the final scene, but wasnt pronographic.
@LucasKauffman that was horrid.
 
hehe
 
8:48 AM
@LucasKauffman SPOILERS
SILENCIO
 
@LucasKauffman It's "Joffrey" -_-
@AviD oberyn's the guy with the accent
the one in yellow
The smart one
Mace Tyrell is an idiotic guy
 
@ManishEarth Oh no, Joffrey doesn't die.
 
@deed02392 @LucasKauffman he's right. you should delete that real quick.
 
@Adnan wut
 
@Lucas is talking about the Geo Ferry they use to escape Kings Landing
 
8:56 AM
ah :p
 
There's a corps on it
 
@ManishEarth right, the spanish guy.
 
fucking internet explorer
 
Removed spoiler
:p
 
sure, but now there are all those follow-on spoilers.
 
8:58 AM
@AviD Jesus! Hehehehee
@ManishEarth Great edit
 
Annoy me too much and I start spouting spoilers. I've read the books. Be warned :p
 
Hmm.. I've never really found spoilers to be... you know.. spoiling
 
@Adnan That's because you watch it for the ... er .. plot. Right? :P
 
@ManishEarth :D
But to me, it applies to everything. Books, movies, TV series, etc.
 
ah
my theory goes out the window then, unless you're very picky about the kinds of books you pick up
 
9:13 AM
 
@AviD Well, clearly, the client can afford his own swimming pool.
 
@Adnan it's filled with the tears of orphans.
 
@AviD Semi-sterile salty water. Good enough.
 
@Adnan still been peed in, though.
Probably by the same orphans.
and the lifeguard.
and the goldcoats.
 
@AviD Easy solution: Prevent the orphans from swimming int he pool -> Harvest more tears.
Here we go again. Temperature outside is 5°C and the thermometer in my room says 24°C. Heater off, window open.
I hate summer... and winter.
 
10:02 AM
why is it so warm inside @Adnan?
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sunny?
 
10:34 AM
@deed Sounds very dirty.
 
Wasn't intended
 
AAnd yes, it's sunny. Very sunny.
 
lol
 
You should have used a comma before my name
 
why is it so warm inside @,Adnan?
 
10:38 AM
Why is it so warm inside, @Adnan?
 
tehe
 
10:48 AM
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oof, onebox doesnt do that justice, without the gifs.
 
alo
 
 
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12:19 PM
Heeeey... anybody seen @Simon or @Poly lately?
Oh, seems like @Simon was here yesterday
 
@Adnan @poly ain't been around in ages AFAIK, he's on twitter a fair bit if you're looking for him...
 
And me @Adnan you haven't asked for me
And I am so happy to see you again =D
I believe this should be moved:
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Q: Use SSH config file with Putty

Sam RadI'm using SourceTree (a Git GUI) which uses Putty as SSH client. I need to push some code into a repository for which I need to tunnel through SSH to do so. The trouble is, the repository and SSH authentication server are on separate servers. Hence, I need to login to one server and then push to ...

 
@RоryMcCune Oh, well it's good to hear he's alright.
@kiBytes Oh yeah, you too. You haven't been here for a while
 
@Adnan Think portcullis are keeping him busy these days + he's presenting at B-Sides London next week...
 
 
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1:54 PM
@Adnan: since you are a specialist on the subject, can you explain why this question has become a rep train ? security.stackexchange.com/questions/56371/…
 
@ThomasPornin The "SALT ME!" in the title.
Also, I hate that OP.
Then again, he's a 17 year old who has written programs in ActionScript.
 
2:14 PM
@Adnan He is officially 18 now (so says his user page, at least).
 
2:37 PM
So heartbleed this, and heartbleeed that
and, have you heard that heartbleed the other?
The other day I had a heartbleed for a cupcake.
 
2:53 PM
@ThomasPornin (or any other), yesterday I was thinking about why the hell couldn't we use the username as a salt for hashing the password, after all, usually the username is unique...
I know that it would be a well known salt, but I don't know if that means to be a bad salt...
any thoughts?
(I know that the entropy is also way lower than a random generated pass, but again... )
just giving a different perspective now I am thinking about rainbow tables will use common usernames to generate the hashes
so I guess that is a good reason...
 
If you change passwords the username remains the same, whereas a random salt changes
you also need a combination of server name and user name, since usernames are not globally unique
with SRP you need to use the username as part of the salt, else a malicous server could return a fixed salt, enabling multi target attacks
 
@CodesInChaos yes but, In my previous thoughts I thought that once cracked a system, probably the user will be using the same password so a different hashing didn't seem to add more strength here...
 
"root" will be present on many systems with many different passwords
 
3:09 PM
@AviD "that part"? In GoT?
yeah, that identifies it!
 
@CodesInChaos yeps that is very true, that what I thought with the rainbow tables... On the other way, if you use the pair you have suggested "server", "username"... Although some server have very long names
So, maybe the true question is, why is entropy so important? isn't it enough to have unique salts.
Does the entropy here simply help us to have some sort of "unique" hashes across internet?
(I mean entropy for salt)
 
$1k bug bounty :D
 
@ManishEarth Congrats! Which product?
 
Compound that with the other money I've earned/will earn this year, and I've paid all my college bills :D (College is cheap here)
@Adnan Bugzilla
 
@ManishEarth Sweeet!
 
3:17 PM
:D
 
Oh, same bug was in StackExchange, right?
 
Yeah
It's all over the place, not everyone acknowledges it as a bug though :p
Last I heard SE was trying to fix it
But there can be issues with multibyte encodings and all, so it's not always the simple regex filter that I added for Bugzilla
 
@ManishEarth In many cases, I wouldn't give it a high priority. However, in the case of Bugzilla (for the reasons you stated there) it's dangerous.
 
@Adnan Yeah. I would also give it high priority for Stack Overflow because it's a source for copypasta (then again, those who blatantly copy deserve to have their terminals hijacked :P). I think they did do that, internally, but they were unable to come up with a quick fix that doesn't break stuff
 
@ManishEarth congrats!
 
3:22 PM
Thanks :)
 
@ManishEarth For Stackoverflow (and another code-ridden SE sites) it should also be high priority (Unix.SE, AskUbuntu, etc.)
 
yeah
 
@kiBytes Read my reference answer, section "Salt Generation": security.stackexchange.com/questions/211/…
 
@kiBytes I actually have an idea for a new Infosec Drinking Game (if you don't mind becoming an alcoholic)
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For salts you want worldwide uniqueness (both spacewise and timewise). Strong randomness is an easy way to get such uniqueness.
 
3:26 PM
every time a vendor says "Heartbleed isn't really a risk for us so we don't have a patch" take a drink
 
gets drunk
 
'cause all those people who've been sold "appliances" which are linux + apache +OpenSSL are about to have a world of pain when the next Vuln assessments happen
the number of places I've seen who actually patch their appliances is... not high
 
@RоryMcCune But I also bet what you'll find (and I don't have any data to back this up) is that it's probably primarily only going to be applicable to appliances installed in the last year or so. I'm going to bet that most of the equipment that predates that also uses a version of OpenSSL that predates the introduction of heartbleed.
 
My uni is heartbleed vulnerable :/
 
3:33 PM
@Xander yep, I'd agree, many will be "saved" by having older appliances, although the push to fix CRIME/BEAST etc might have caused issues as that probably pushed some to upgrade on new ones
@Xander I don't have any data either, apart from fielding my first query on a system that the vendor didn't think needed to be patched, it occurred to me it won't be the last...
 
@RоryMcCune LOL
 
Depending on the application it can be a good trade-off to reduce uniqueness in exchange for implicit salts.
 
@CodesInChaos For some reason that sentence made me think you were selling salts.
 
As long as they're not common, salt collisions aren't that bad. A better password hash can compensate for that.
 
 
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4:47 PM
Hm. We need to hire a developer. We're finding that's a very different community than networks/systems/security.
 
@ScottPack careers.stackoverflow.com?
perhaps Jon Skeet is looking for a new role!
 
@ScottPack What level?
 
5:13 PM
@RоryMcCune Yeah, I brought that up. That shit's expensive.
@Xander The primary responsibility would actually be CRM admin with .NET custom coding capabilities.
 
@ScottPack Ah, ok. I had someone in mind, but I don't think he's probably the right fit for a role that's primarily admin.
@ScottPack Really? Are you looking at the same prices I see? $350 for a 30-day listing?
 
@Xander That's a little less than half the price I was told.
Hm.
 
@ScottPack I was looking here: careers.stackoverflow.com/products/listings
 
I do like the 90-day guarantee, though.
@Xander Yeah, I'm seeing it now. I didn't actually look myself.
 
@ScottPack I'm just too used to recruiters charging many thousands per placement, I guess.
 
5:21 PM
@Xander And this is all internal for a relatively small company. $350 isn't terrible but it's a bit of a wake-up call since all our other hires have been direct recruiting.
 
@ScottPack Ah, yeah, understood.
 
5:59 PM
Any Outlook 2013 user here?
I'm trying to backup one of the folders. I'm not able to find a way to do so
It's a folder of email conversations, on my client, on my computer.
There seems to be some addons but they're not for 2013, and the folder contains too many emails to save manually.
 
@Adnan Oh God I did have the misfortune to use it here and there, and it's awful. Every little thing about it screams "dude we just wrote it, we're not idiots enough to actually use it too"
 
Bleeeekh!! 'ALT+F I O' is the shortcut.
@TildalWave Thanks. I found it just as you posted that message.
 
@Adnan it's OK, but do yourself a favor and get some proper mail client :P
at least Outlook Express
:)
 
@TildalWave I wish I can. It's company policy
 
@Adnan write a security advisory and change that policy then
 
6:07 PM
@TildalWave No way! There's a PST viewer! nucleustechnologies.com/pst-viewer.html
Yup. That's all I want.
 
6:20 PM
Sorry was AFK handling wordpress delights or I'd have mentioned PSTs :) I remember back when I were a lad and we had 50MB email quotas, everything were stored in PSTs
@Xander @ScottPack yeah I know in the UK a lot of places charges 10+% of first year salary...
 
@RоryMcCune .DBX here :)
I never liked Outlook but I was quite fond of Outlook Express (despite the name they had very little in common)
 
@RоryMcCune Oh, yeah that's normal for an external recruiting or placement agency
 
@TildalWave yeah OE was good back in the day. I actually quite like modern Outlook versions, even though the older ones were an abomination in a lot of ways...
 
@TildalWave Yes. At Microsoft they believe in product lines, with independent development process and very few cross-product transfers. "Outlook" and "Outlook Express" are (were) two distinct products, and the relevant teams did not talk to each other.
OE sill lives as "Windows Mail" or something like that, though.
 
and I'll just place this right heeere flappy2048.com
 
6:28 PM
@Adnan that's Just Another Logarithmic 2048 then, is it?
 
@TildalWave Oh but there's a twist
 
@ThomasPornin never tired it but now that you mention it, I actually might ... you know, for old times sake :) it's not tiled now, is it?
 
@Adnan wow that combines the annoyance of flappy birds with the huge number of moves required of 2048!
 
@TildalWave What do you call "tiled" precisely ?
As far as I saw, Windows Mail in Windows 7 can be configured to be somewhat similar to what OE was.
 
@ThomasPornin ah you know, that "new" MS beehive tile design with those awful colored tiles so the bees know where to dump their honey :)
 
6:43 PM
@TildalWave Ah, then, Microsoft really missed it.
 
@ThomasPornin that's encouraging then, I'd like that
 
Bees really love hexagons, not squares.
An hexagon-based tiled interface would be awesome.
(Probably unusable, but still awesome)
 
@ThomasPornin actually there's been studies lately that suggest those hexagons don't have anything to do with "how bees like it", it's just surface tension and the bees actually start with a circular hole into the wax and their movement then heats it up enough so it starts making that hexagonal honeycomb
so it's more "how wax likes it" :)
 
6:57 PM
hexagons are simply natural when packing cylinders tightly.
 
@CodesInChaos That's what she said?
 
7:52 PM
@Iszi Most likely.
@ThomasPornin In the olden days RPG maps were hexagons. These days many are squares.
 
@ScottPack My olden days may be older than yours. For me, hexagons are Kreigspiel.
(Early wargames were invented and practised by the German army. The name stuck.)
 
@ThomasPornin Whoa! That must be old. I mean, it's from the days when it was spelled Kreigspiel and not the new spelling Kriegsspiel.
 
@Adnan Thomas is old enough to remember the German spelling reform of 1996
Huh, it turns out that the real thing is Kriegsspiel but the chess thing is Kriegspiel. TIL.
 
@Gilles That (which I didn't know), and the fact that I was referring to the "Krei" vs. "Krie" part.
 
8:08 PM
@Adnan It's a typographic mistake. This unfortunately occurs occasionally.
 
ah, yes. This is a Kreigspiel:
ha ha
 
8:24 PM
@ThomasPornin DnD 2nd Ed still used hexes.
@ThomasPornin Truthfully there are still some games that use hexes, primarily war games and I think table tops involving space combat. You'll also find it in Pathfinder when talking about big terrain mapping as opposed to battle mat.
 
in Unix and Linux, 50 secs ago, by derobert
It's pretty small!
some people are... innocent...
 
9:10 PM
in Unix and Linux, 1 min ago, by derobert
@FaheemMitha It's going around the channel tonight. Gilles got in a blow earlier. Can't say I didn't leave myself open for it, though.
ooh! Not so innocent after all!
 
9:33 PM
@Adnan I is alive.
 
10:07 PM
@Adnan I think I saw @Polynomial on IRC today
 
10:31 PM
Poly is also on Twitter twitter.com/gsuberland I'm pretty clueless on half of the stuff he's tweeting about, especially when he's in his electronics tinkering mode, but he's there
hehehe missed this April Fools one, Google looking for Software Dogengineer:
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Q: Securely calculating encoding efficiency

IndoleringI have a rather odd security requirement that I must keep the amount of potentially encoded information in a record under 250 kilobytes. That's not a lot of data, so I was thinking of calculating the efficiency of an encoding scheme and deducting the overhead from the total calculation size. Fo...

Perhaps I'm just a bit slow, but I'm not seeing the security implications here. Can anyone enlighten me?
 
@TildalWave Ehh, it's vodka. I think that's explanation enough.
 

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