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Michael Blake
Michael Blake
3:34 AM
Hello. I noticed the tag "Security" and I was curious to whether or not I was allowed to ask a question.
 
tylerl
tylerl
3:50 AM
@MichaelBlake No, we don't let people ask questions. That would be insecure.
Also, we only talk in l33t crypto speak so that people can't understand us.
more secure that way.
 
Terry Chia
Terry Chia
@tylerl l33t crypto being rot13 of course.
 
tylerl
tylerl
Aw man. I can't understand rot13.
To secure for me i guess
 
Terry Chia
Terry Chia
4:29 AM
Am I the only one that finds this ridiculous?
 
tylerl
tylerl
@TerryChia no
re-defining core library functions is not appropriate behavior. Someone needs s time-out.
 
Terry Chia
Terry Chia
Good. Pretty insane behaviour.
@tylerl Ah, but see, mathn is part of the ruby stdlib.
 
tylerl
tylerl
i mean redifing the core integer division function
 
Falcon Momot
Falcon Momot
5:06 AM
that certainly could make some bugs.
I think anyway
depending on how comparison and stuff work
 
Terry Chia
Terry Chia
@FalconMomot Oh, I forgot to mention that that behavior is global.
 
Falcon Momot
Falcon Momot
@TerryChia as in not module-local?!
that is madness
 
Terry Chia
Terry Chia
@FalconMomot Yeah, apparently.
 
Falcon Momot
Falcon Momot
how is that usable?
 
Terry Chia
Terry Chia
That's the idea I got from here at least.
Ruby: where requiring a module that ships with the stdlib changes how integer division works everywhere. http://t.co/pa2rgfNytH
Tweeted by tomdale on April 18, 2014 at 10:19 PM
 
tylerl
tylerl
5:12 AM
@tomdale probably introduced with the commit message "Replicate Smalltalk's design mistakes."
Tweeted by cramforce on April 18, 2014 at 10:21 PM in reply to tomdale
yarp.
updated KDE, certain programs reporting libraries missing.. About to reboot. Wish me luck.
Arch, where every reboot is an adventure!
 
 
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Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
8:15 AM
 
Terry Chia
Terry Chia
8:32 AM
If you don't regularly think everything you do is shithouse, you're not doing infosec right.
Tweeted by snare on April 19, 2014 at 8:27 AM
 
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
9:31 AM
@RоryMcCune that is nice - think I'm about out of Auchentoshan...what did you think of it
 
 
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deed02392
deed02392
10:32 AM
ooo
@tylerl isn't this what's happened with Python3
 
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
 
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
11:31 AM
@davidhoude - very amusing, but I had to close the question :-)
 
 
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David Houde
David Houde
12:44 PM
@RoryAlsop Sorry for being off topic and contributing to the nonsense you try to keep out of this place, it was just too hard to resist :)
 
Terry Chia
Terry Chia
@deed02392 Wut? No.
 
 
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deed02392
deed02392
4:04 PM
@TerryChia re how floats are handled, I'm sure there's a similar difference
 
Terry Chia
Terry Chia
@deed02392 You might be thinking of from __future__ import division which makes 10 / 2 return 5.0 in Python 2. The difference is that this change is local to the module you import it in and is meant to allow writing python code that is compatible with both python2 and python3.
 
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
@RoryAlsop I had a Glenmorangie a few days ago. Yowza that was yummy.
 
deed02392
deed02392
4:19 PM
@TerryChia yeah that's the one
but in p3 it changes to just working like that
 
Terry Chia
Terry Chia
@deed02392 Because python 3 is largely accepted to have many breaking changes with python 2? How is that comparable with an import messing with language builtins globally...?
 
 
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Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
5:26 PM
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TildalWave
TildalWave
@DavidHoude gotta be careful tho, if you're gonna enjoy SE too much they're gonna make you a mod :)
 
deed02392
deed02392
5:58 PM
@TerryChia Yes it is largely accepted now. It is comparable because from __future__ import division looks like an import messing with builtin behaviour to me
 
 
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AviD
AviD
8:48 PM
@tylerl true. but its more about the principle.
 
Rоry McCune
Rоry McCune
9:40 PM
@RoryAlsop kind of interesting, odd smell, light color but quite a nice taste, if not overly complex.
@RoryAlsop just got another odd one, apparently a Lidl whisky has won a whisky award, so a friend of mine bought me a bottle, will be interesting to see what it's like....
 
 
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Gilles
Gilles
11:41 PM
nope, at least I know about Windows and GMER, you can dynamically get REAL SSDT address from ntoskrnl.exe and you can't modify ntoskrnl.exe itself while OS is running and I'm not talking about MBR rootkits and most sophisticated codes to modify ntoskrnl.exe without causing BSOD and crash. So I think something similar should be possible for Linux too, like checking for real address in kernel code online from kernel.org etc. I think it's possible, at least in windows, what do you think about Linux now? — user3404070 9 mins ago
sigh No, if your kernel is compromised, you can't tell from the inside
 

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