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Backstab
You take a split second to locate the most vulnerable point in your enemy’s defenses.
Encounter Martial
Free Action Personal
Trigger: You make an attack roll against an enemy within 5 squares of you using a basic attack with a weapon. The enemy must be granting combat advantage to you.
Effect: You gain a +3 power bonus to the attack roll, and the enemy takes 1d6 extra damage if the attack hits.
Level 7: 2d6 extra damage.
Level 17: 3d6 extra damage.
Level 27: 4d6 extra damage.

Iszi

We were talking about backstab and then you brought up sneak attack...

Did you take your Combat Advantage bonus on the roll?

Sohum

yes, because you thought rogues have backstab

oh, I didn't

that would've canceled out the cover

but that's to-hit only, which wasn't an issue

Iszi

We think.

DM hasn't answered that yet, has he?

Sohum

?

Iszi

10:21 PM

I don't see a reply confirming the hit.

Sohum

oh, yeah

Iszi

Not that I expect it didn't, of course.

Sohum

but srsly, 26 is more than enough around now

Iszi

I'm sure. Just pointing it out.

Sohum

mm.

ftr, Rogue!Sam's to-hit rolls are not accurate

Iszi

10:22 PM

And with your high Init roll, you may get another shot with that First Strike combat advantage.

Sohum

yea, but I blew Backstab

Iszi

Oh?

Sohum

it's an encounter power

Iszi

Still get combat advantage until the other creatures act.

Sohum

yea, but that was never an issue :P

Iszi

10:23 PM

Right... but what did Backstab have to do with it?

Sohum

because backstab is an encounter power?

and it only rolled 1d6 = 2 damage?

Iszi

Yeah, that sucked... not much to do with you still having CA though.

Sohum

no?

I was upset that Backstab sucked this encounter

nothing else

Iszi

I don't disagree. By the way, we may want to consult with @Kedearian before moving too close. He might decide to pull out that Dimensional Scramble of his.

Sohum

:D

Iszi

10:26 PM

I know I'll be going for Dragon's Breath soon enough, but I've got a feat that makes it target enemies only - and gives affected allies +1 to-hit.

Sohum

hahaha

how on earth is the flavour to that

Iszi

Bolstering Breath... goes good with the Leader role, methinks.

Sohum

Bolstering Breath :D

Iszi

Tried to look up flavor text, but there isn't any in the Compendium or CB. And I don't have PHB Races: Dragonborn.

Sohum

where would it be?

PHB?

Iszi

10:33 PM

No, it's a separate book.

wizards.com/dnd/Product.aspx?x=dnd/products/dndacc/251200000

Bummer: Dragon Breath uses CON mod for damage, regardless of the ability chosen for attack.

And I have 0 CON mod.

Wonder if there's a feat to change it up...

Sohum

:{

Iszi

Ah, Powerful Breath it is.

Sohum

so you have to take two feats to make it work with your build?

Iszi

Not really.

Could have done without Bolstering Breath.

But, I thought it was appropriate.

Sohum

ah, fair enough

Iszi

10:37 PM

If I use Powerful Breath, I can choose the ability. My STR mod is +5.

Sohum

mmhm.

I don't know why Backstabber is such a big deal for the Rogue Charop boards

It's +2/+3/+4 damage on SA

Iszi

I think there's a lot of associated feats. Like there is with Dragon's Breath for Dragonborns, or Shard Swarm for Shardminds.

Sohum

I'd assume there'd have to be, yea

/me pokes at the SA feats in Martial Power

(though, I don't know why Backstabber doesn't show up when you search the compendium for "Sneak Attack")

Iszi

Essentials update hasn't applied yet.

I see Bleeding Backstab

Sohum

Backstabber was from PHB1

Iszi

10:44 PM

Hm

wizards.com/dndinsider/compendium/feat.aspx?id=185

Sohum

oh, there's more than one page

Iszi

Sort by name, and it'll help.

Sohum

there's a Page: 1 2 selector down the bottom

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@Kedearian There is only one easy exit. They will find it difficult to run

Iszi

@BrianBallsunStanton What about northward? I mean, if they don't mind abandoning the wagon?

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

10:55 PM

@Iszi A rock was dropped on his head when he was young? It shouldn't be down by 5.

@Iszi light forest that way, difficult terrain

Iszi

@BrianBallsunStanton And yours as well? Forgetting he's a she once more?

:-)

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

What?

::shrug::

Just woke up.

Iszi

Do surprise rounds not still occur in initiative order?

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

They ... do?

Sohum

how's it matter, though?

just me and Therin in the surprise round

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

10:59 PM

But I see only one action declared, therefore it gets resolved when i wake up

(and Serai, technically)

Iszi

@Sohum I may have missed it, but don't think Therin rolled init? Or Serai?

Sohum

oh, yeah

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

but since only one person bothered responding to my instructions, ::shrug::

they get what they asked for?

Iszi

@BrianBallsunStanton Could be side-effect of the whole asynch thing? They just haven't gotten to it yet? Though, I think @CRoss has been around... and, dangit - forgot who controls Therin again.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

Yes, neither rolled init. This makes me very grumpy.

Is side effect of asynch.

Serai has indeed rolled init

Iszi

11:01 PM

Should we establish a standard timeout after which another player, or the DM, decides action?

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

Well, technically as that was the intent...

Yes.

Iszi

Perhaps intent needs declaration.

I'm guessing, 24 hours from the time action becomes necessary?

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

Yes.

Well, no, here's how I'm going to do it.

24 hours after the call to action, the round is resolved if everyone has not yet acted.

Iszi

I disagree.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

Principle players' moves will always be used. Anyone else may, at any time during that, suggest moves for a character.

So it's a rough voting system, rounds are 24 hours apart.

Iszi

11:05 PM

One person's action may be dependent upon the actions of someone who comes ahead of them in initiative.

Therefore, it should be 24 hours after their turn in initiative comes up.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

Oh gods no.

Iszi

Especially for those who act after the monsters.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

And if it's dependent, then throw in conditionals. I'll always tell you guys what the monsters are doing at the start of the round.

like I did this round.

Iszi

Ummm... no you didn't. They haven't even rolled init.

Then again, we haven't exactly had a full round yet, so perhaps that's unfair to say.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

they ... have rolled init.

Current initiative order:

Sam: 22
Serai: 19
Zankul: 16
Acolytes (Burly guys): 15

Peng (Yellow robe dude): 11
14 damage taken

Rihkim: 11

Iszi

11:08 PM

Missed that... where do we see it?

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

and chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/10408#10408

That is in the map notes, public. also referenced

Iszi

Oh, thanks.

Still... just as the DM can't be expected to plan for every contingency, why expect that of players?

Sohum

@BrianBallsunStanton you have to register to see the map's public notes?

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

um

they're...

do you really?

Iszi

Yeah... ANOTHER site to register to?

Sohum

11:13 PM

@BrianBallsunStanton I think so. Can't find a way to not have to register.

Iszi

(Sorry, that's just getting really annoying.)

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

okay, that is annoying

wasn't intentional. Will port over to wave

now on wave

cause yeah, no

Better?

Iszi

@BrianBallsunStanton So, comment on chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/21723#21723 ?

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

None, really

Sohum

Better.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

11:16 PM

You know, in general, what the monsters are doing

basically checking in twice in 24 hours should be sufficient?

Iszi

Theoretically, until one person lags for one reason or another.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

Step 1: establish an SOP for your character

or allow other people to vote them

::sigh:: back in 2 hours

Sohum

@Brian, is the different kind of green forest-y thing around 15x10 as relative to the forest about it significant?

Iszi

@Sohum Quick guess, is that it's just normal forest.

Sohum

Thought so

Kedearian

11:41 PM

do i get a suprise action?

Iszi

@Kedearian No. You weren't stealthed.

@Kedearian If anything, the monsters would get a surprise round against you.

Kedearian

@iszi fine.. i set the forest on fire, in a non-suprising way

Iszi

@Kedearian Still, it seems you need to declare a plan of action for when your place in the initiative order comes around.

24-hour timer on that.

Sohum

I assume if I go to 14x8 and hide, the guy at 13x9 can see me and the guy at 13x6 can't. So, 1) can the guy at x9 let the guy at x6 know where I am, and 2) if the guy at x6 chooses to move down to attack Therin, he sees me when he comes into range, yes, but can he react to that immediately or is he locked into his predetermined action?

Iszi

@Sohum Overthink, much?

Kedearian

11:47 PM

are we putting our actions in the wave or where?

Sohum

Hush, you :P

Iszi

@Kedearian Good point.

Sohum

I'm just trying to work out if I can get an OA in

C. Ross