The Comms Room

I remmeber the first generation 64-bit Xeons didn't have some long word instruction that meant you could run a 64-bit hypervisor but only 32-bit guests

But apart from that, all my VMs are 64-bit

Wesley

@MarkHenderson I've been doing the stand-up desk thing lately. You should try it.

Mark Henderson

@Wesley WE'RE FINALLY GETTING SOME

Wesley

4:18 AM

@MarkHenderson Oh sweet!

Mark Henderson

I have a $700/desk budget and I need to find 5 of them

Wesley

I just put a throw rug on my bureau and stand in front of it. =P

Mark Henderson

I've been asking for years and years for a standup desk, but to no avail

Wesley

Then when I shit myself over how unpatched this Exchange server is I just have to reach down a few inches to pull a new pair of undies out.

Mark Henderson

This new woman starts and bats her eyelids and asks nicely for a standup desk and my boss is all "Wow great idea! Let's all get them!"

Journeyman Geek

4:20 AM

@MarkHenderson actually until I built my current PC, most of the time

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek Then you can still run windows 7/8/8.1

Mark Henderson

5:20 AM

It looks like Dell are taking after Cisco and discontinuing their good, cheap product and forcing you onto their way more expensive offerings

I don't seem to be able to get 5500-series switches any more, they want me to buy N2000 series which are 3x the price

MichelZ

5:31 AM

good morning partypeople

@MarkHenderson that's how the world works

@Wesley why haven't you updated them yet? TO BED!

Wesley

@MichelZ I'm still working on it. Did some updates tonight. I check each one for potential problems. Found three I'll wait on for a bit to inspect for just how much damage they could do

MichelZ

@Wesley the problem is probably solved by the next patch :D

Wesley

@MichelZ That you can't install because the first one BSOD'd your boxxen.

MichelZ

5:46 AM

@Wesley BSOD from non-kernel-level software? Haven't seen that in a while

@MichaelHampton have you got the 13th gen servers yet?

Mark Henderson

@MichelZ I'm still waiting on budget approval for ours. Hence my current bitching about switch costs, because the more I have to spend on switches the less I get for the server

MichelZ

@MarkHenderson :( ordered ours this week

still need to find compatible drive caddies :D

Mark Henderson

I'm also thinking about saving a few bucks on firewalls, given that Cisco will not sell me 5505's and want $5,500 for a 5512-X I'll just buy some 5520's on eBay for $1000/each

I was hoping @ewwhite would be in today so I could ask him how much of a bad idea he thinks it is, but I'm guessing he is sleeping after his marathon day yesterday

Wesley

@MarkHenderson Counting money, more like it. :P

Ry Jones

6:08 AM

@MichelZ are you ready to get reckless? motivated by the boys from fifth ward Texas?

@Wesley hiring people to count his money

Mark Henderson

@Wesley He's counting his fat stacks while I'm trying to figure out how to scrimp on enough other expenditure so I can afford a new database server :P

One day someone will come to me and go "Here Mark. You've proven yourself. Here's a $300,000 budget and a list of requirements. Go."

Ry Jones

@MarkHenderson I wouldn't know how to do my job without constant second guessing

Wesley

I want to registed ٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶.com

Ry Jones

@Wesley go for it

Wesley

Also, @DennisKaarsemaker

@RyJones Or maybe ಠ_ಠ.com

Ry Jones

6:16 AM

@Wesley how would you find your bike in that?

Wesley

Which would apparently me xn--_-ncfb.com

@RyJones I'd paint mine pink and put tassels on it.

Ry Jones

@Wesley nice

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Wesley that's not too far off from what the dutch do

Wesley

Shit, someone already has ಠ-ಠ.com

https://ಠ-ಠ.com

Markdown.

Night, my dippin' dots.

Mark Henderson

@Wesley Most TLDs have heavy IDN restrictions

Otherwise you could use unicode-looking representations of english numbers and arabic numerals

MichelZ

6:35 AM

@RyJones what?

@MarkHenderson shouldn't the budged depend on the requirements?

@RyJones that's easy... he hasn't one

Jenny D

6:52 AM

morning

Ry Jones

@MichelZ Geto Boyz are fifth ward rappers

faker

@Wesley ಠ-ಠ.wtf appears to be still free

Iain

G'day

must stay away from the front page - the fail it hurts

Mathias R. Jessen

7:18 AM

@RyanRies Time to go If($Host.Name -EQ 'ConsoleHost' -or $PSVersionTable.PSVersion.Major -ge 5){Start-Transcript} ;)

MichelZ

7:43 AM

put it in a module!

:)

pauska

Windows Server Technical Preview is out: technet.microsoft.com/library/dn765472.aspx

Mathias R. Jessen

8:15 AM

@pauska Check this: withinrafael.com/…

About time :D

RobM

@pauska really quite impressed here with Win 10 preview. Just deployed it via our current SCCM environment with no issues.

Chopper3

@MathiasR.Jessen shit - genuinely useful improvement in windows - I'm in shock

RobM

I'm actually really impressed with what I have seen so far

MichelZ

8:31 AM

@RobM that's because it's "early"... they will find ways to break it :)

@RobM you are? why?

RobM

@MichelZ you're right

MichelZ

I haven't seen anything really impressive yet

I mean the handling of start menu + metro should have been in 8 from the beginning

the multi-desktop is... meh

what else is there?

RobM

It's everything Windows 8 should have been. You're right, there's no big stand-out "OMG" feature, but the whole package does feel well put together and full of lots of little improvements considering how early it is

MichelZ

@RobM yes, this is true. but nothing "mind-blowing"

RobM

but then I don't know that you need "mind blowing"

MichelZ

8:33 AM

I still look forward to it of course

Iain

8:47 AM

@MichelZ It's been meh since forever in Solaris/Linux

Dennis Nolte

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Q: squirrelmail not receiving mail

my SquirrelMail can send but not able to receive emails. Imap server is Cyrus. Can anyone please help me to get it working? What details should i provide? postconf -n alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases command_directory = /usr/sbin config_directory = /etc/postfi...

what details should he provide.. LOGS ffs

MichelZ

@Iain yeah, we had that discussion already. good for a 800x600 laptop, but not for my 6x 22" screen desktop.

Mathias R. Jessen

@Chopper3 Yeah, I was quite surprised as well :D

MichelZ

but there are still people out there who seem to want it

Dennis Nolte

@MichelZ as long as you actually use only 1 video card this was working pretty ok with 3 screens, multiple cards = multiple X for all i know, if you can proove me wrong i love to give it a try again.

Journeyman Geek

8:56 AM

@MichelZ: Actually, I kinda like the ability to peek at my virtual desktops

And, meh, mindblowing is overrated. The best windows versions have tended to be incremental fixes on fubared attempts at mindblowing.

win2k was me's desktop and an NT core (and was awesome). XP built on that. Vista was a failed attempt at mindblowing, and 7 fixed that. 8 was... You get the idea ;p

Mathias R. Jessen

@JourneymanGeek Judging from the preview, they seem to have a fair chance at breaking the cycle this time

* crossing fingers *

Journeyman Geek

@MathiasR.Jesse; oh, I suspect 10 will be the next xp ;p

Chopper3

9:12 AM

wow - genuinely interesting question by new user shock! not 100% sure I've answered this as well as I could but it did make me think - serverfault.com/q/632993/1435

Jenny D

@Chopper3 Agreed

Chopper3

@MichelZ Talking of displays I finally got rid of my 2 x apple 30' ones I've had for YEARS - now down to just my 15" laptop display and one 24" external

@JennyD quite a rare thing eh?

Jenny D

@Chopper3 I like that kind of question, though it's a bit close to "opinion based" maybe.

Chopper3

@JennyD there is an opinion aspect to it yes but it only has two options - the traditional one and the alternative he's discussing - I've been doing vmware stuff for years now and I'd never thought of that alternative, not once, so good for him for challenging my defaults

Jenny D

@Chopper3 yeah, I didn't VTC it - there may be some actual arguments against doing it his way though I can't think of any technical ones just now

Chopper3

9:21 AM

@JennyD no, it's odd that I get to rethink assumptions, I'm enjoying the process of thinking around his idea

Jenny D

@Chopper3 yep

I think most people just continue on the way they did it before, when what they had was a physical disk...

Chopper3

yes, and it makes sense in many ways to do so but it's nice to stop every so often and reconsider - we're in the process of massively reducing the number of vCenter servers we have across the business and removing all the vCenter HeartBeat and Linked-Mode implementations - they're just not needed any more

Iain

That's the kind of question SF should be attracting all the time rather than all of the shitty 'I can't be arsed to read the documentation for $technology, do it for me'' stuff ew get every day.

MichelZ

@DennisNolte what? I have 1 card with 6 mini-DP

@Chopper3 but but... why?!

@Chopper3 you had many vcenter servers? what for?

Chopper3

9:38 AM

@MichelZ well they used to be able to support less hosts, we have 16,500 hosts across the business, but recent versions can handle more hosts realistically and we had essentially one vC per 'product line' or sub-business. The changes to SSO allow us to more easily have less-but-bigger-vC's. We're going from about 375 of them down to about 120

MichelZ

@Chopper3 hosts as in physical hosts?

impressive

Chopper3

@MichelZ yeah, but that includes dev, test, reference and production

MichelZ

still impressive :)

I have - 3

:D

what hardware are you running on?

one of the big names? supermicro? something completely different?

ewwhite

@MarkHenderson What's up?

Chopper3

@MichelZ 95% are HP BL460c's - from G6-to-Gen8's - we have a few Gen9's in test but nowhere near production yet - the 5% are pairs of DL380's that we use where we don't have say the power/cooling budget for a full blade-enclosure

MichelZ

9:44 AM

nice

pauska

@RobM I agree.. we don't need any new mind blowing features, we just need shit to work. Like Vista -> Win7 (they're nearly identical under the hood)

@Chopper3 the new ARM stuff from HP is pretty interesting.. do you guys do alot of video encoding/transcoding?

ewwhite

@Chopper3 Hmmm

Chopper3

@pauska yeah, we use the HP SL range with their tesla CUDA cards for that

@ewwhite what?

ewwhite

10:03 AM

@Chopper3 you seem surprised by that OP's question re: partitioning

Journeyman Geek

@MichelZ how do you have negative 3 hosts? o0

Chopper3

@ewwhite Yeah, [main client] is very 'on rails' about some things and we've always been a 1:1 VM:vdisk kind of place, certainly I'd never considered adding extra vdisks for regular linux partitions, we add them for application specific reasons of course

@JourneymanGeek They're AMD-based :)

Journeyman Geek

@Chopper3: ;p

Nick

10:21 AM

o.0 why in the world is my storage server transfering at 2MB/s -.- the disk is connected with USB 2 and its transfering on a gigabit connection

Chopper3

amazon.com/Shittens-Disposable-Mitten-shaped-Moist-Wipes/dp/…

Nick

@Chopper3 wat

Chopper3

exactly

ewwhite

10:47 AM

@Chopper3 Answering, with a bit of a history lesson.

Chopper3

@ewwhite nice answer, think I upped it iirc

@ewwhite odd comment you got

ewwhite

heh...

not sure what that means

Chopper3

no, me neither

ewwhite

I'll refine it, though... stream of consciousness.

Chopper3

@ewwhite be flying over you later this month, I'll give you a wave :)

ewwhite

11:01 AM

mmmhmm

faker

free spam flag: serverfault.com/questions/633024/…;

which ironically tries to advertise for anti-fraud training

MichelZ

11:17 AM

@JourneymanGeek that was meant as a pause

@Chopper3 god thanks they're not

Nick

Tried using a 15'' screen as a TV... cant see a thing\

Iain

Flagfest serverfault.com/a/633023/9517

Journeyman Geek

@Nick what res? 15" was pretty standard for monitors back in the day. And I find a 10" screen tolerable for movie watching

Nick

@JourneymanGeek its a square screen and most movies are widescreen ... so half of the space is wasted

Journeyman Geek

Oh... THAT sucks

Nick

11:23 AM

im looking for a cheap pretty big screen to replace that one just so I can watch movies easily

Journeyman Geek

if you want small and decent, I have a suggestion ;p

Nick

@JourneymanGeek sure...

Journeyman Geek

dx.com/p/…

Nick

10 inch? -.-

Journeyman Geek

its a bit messy, and you need to add a power supply and stand, but its cheap, and not too bad

oops

NEARLY typed in my admin password here

Nick

11:27 AM

@JourneymanGeek was thinking more something like this: e-shop.gr/… (greek site)

Journeyman Geek

Thats a good option too ;p

I was considering one of those 27 inch ips screens everyone was raving about, but meh. PAF

Nick

@JourneymanGeek I have 2 25'' IPS for my desktop no problems so far

cole

12:03 PM

sup

sup

sup

sup

sup

sup

12:10 PM

soup

Nathan C

c-c-c-c-combo breaker

MichelZ

sup-port

faker

12:25 PM

I just found out that someone excluded *i386* from our repo sync scripts because we only run 64bit servers. What the..?

Journeyman Geek

@faker 0_0

Has someone never heard of dual arch?

faker

@JourneymanGeek this is really stupid and dangerous. I'd love to punch the guy who set it up, but he left the company

Journeyman Geek

@faker: You shouldn't let that stop you.

faker

@JourneymanGeek he is a consultant and also moved away -- not worth the effort :D

Journeyman Geek

Could you just slip him into a no fly list or three?

(also, depending on the distro, shouldn't it be i586/i686?)

Nathan C

12:30 PM

@JourneymanGeek Nowadays i386 is almost interchangable with 586/686

Except when dealing with ancient hardware, obviously

faker

judging by the amount of RPMs I get synced now, I'd say i386 was correct

CentOS 5 & 6 repos

Nathan C

Huh, that's weird...Synology skipped Update 6

They released a patch for the bash exploits...

Dennis Nolte

12:48 PM

@JourneymanGeek depending when this was done there was a time where multiarch was very dangerous to do.

afternoon, gents

sup

sup

Probably you already know, but this repo has nice PoC for shellshock: github.com/mubix/shellshocker-pocs

Michael Hampton

@dawud We know, since it's been pinned on the star wall for three days!

2

dawud

1:02 PM

d'oh

normally the star wall is about markdown ranting and penises and Mondays, how would I've known?

4

Basil

morning

Dennis Nolte

@NathanC talking linux the kernel dropped support for actual 386 hardware a few month/years ago afaik.

Nathan C

@DennisNolte Ah.

Dennis Nolte

engadget.com/2012/12/15/…

3.8 kernel :)

so no bleeding edge for Pentium 1 anymore :(

Travis

Is it just me or does the metro UI in general just seem childish?

Dennis Nolte

1:13 PM

@Travis welcome to 2012 :)

Michael Hampton

@Travis Well, yes, but then again so did the Windows XP UI.

Travis

Yeah but I prefer the Win 7 UI much better than XP and 8/X

Iain

8.1 is fine as you can boot to desktop

Travis

10 goes back to desktop without the 8 tiles

Still looks too tablety for me.

ewwhite

I'm tired of this d00d.

javapowered, Russia

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hp proliant networking bios windows-server-2008 windows-server-2008-r2 xeon

Nick

1:22 PM

@ewwhite javapowered... nice username :p

Bob

1:40 PM

@ewwhite Oh wow, dual-boot server?

Chopper3

@ewwhite yeah, I can see why

Michael Hampton

At least he isn't crying on meta

ewwhite

I answer all of his questions

or something like that

I should introduce him to TomTom

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