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@Basil Witch.

fuero

/me grabs pitchfork and torch
where?

Basil

@Wesley My network guys are happy they can just assign me a lambda and not worry about routing and shit

3:01 AM

You will never see anything more amazing:

clicktorelease.com/code/css3dclouds

#CLOUDPOWER

Also, @MarkHenderson, the power of CSS3 compels us to... you know... do that thing.

Skyhawk

3:18 AM

@Wesley I hope that this MacBook Air is IFR-equipped.

@Skyhawk I hope you're IFR rated.

Skyhawk

@Wesley I do what to robots?

3:51 AM

@Skyhawk Though them inappropriately.

5:23 AM

good morning

faker

6:09 AM

morning

Dennis Kaarsemaker

6:50 AM

g'morning, slackers

7:20 AM

good morning...

tho its 12 o clock

8:08 AM

G'day

9:18 AM

The wages of sin are devops!

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Death to java diehards!

NoSQL, no relationships.

Eclipse: programming tools for babies.

yawn I guess everyone is asleep.

@FalconMomot jetbrains ftw

@Nick I'm definitely a fan of pycharm, if I'm going to use an IDE

but really, day to day, I code with vim, grep, and sed.

@FalconMomot yup also a fan of IDEA for Java and their new C/C++ IDE based on IDEA

yeah I prefer being boiled alive to programming in java

it's just so clumsy and overwrought

@FalconMomot heh I usually make little android things so I am stuck with java

9:33 AM

yeah I hope someday they make a Go SDK

everyone is all like "let's use java even though it blows donkey cock, because there are a bunch of people who learned it in school who we can hire cheaply or who will contribute for free"

this is the argument for java I hear most commonly, and the only one that doesn't make me think the arguer has no brain in their head.

Yea, java was my first programming language

mine was VB 6, but you don't see me using it :P

if oracle would at least disclose vulns, that would be something, but at the moment they are doing the opposite

Unfortunately, I still use it because many things need it :p

and then there is that whole thing where you're beholden to oracle forever

I was thinking of making a python smartcard SDK

since the J2ME is kind of a retarded idea... let's import a tiny subset of the standard library because we can't fit the whole thing on a device, but we won't let you pick which parts

oh crap, it's almost 4 in the morning. Zz.

@FalconMomot its noon here.... where are you australia? :p

11:09 AM

@Nick 9PM

Q: How does an IP address resolve to a server?

1:51 PM

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I have been wondering this for some time: How does an IP address resolve to a server? For example, when I try to reach 123.456.78.9 and it points to some server on the internet, let's call it X, how does it resolve to X? Is there a special kind of DNS available for resolving IP addresses? Or....

ip

@ewwhite migrate to SU

a special kind of DNS!

respect

@ewwhite could be a dupe of serverfault.com/questions/227259/how-a-dns-query-works if it weren't closed

@Iain I can't even bring myself to look at the main page this week.

@ewwhite it is very much worse that I remember but I cba even voting of closing the shit any more it's like playing Canute

sign

maybe it's a slow weekend

;)

2:05 PM

The DNS system isn't complicated but it does require that you spend some time studying it. That document is English. It's a very readable, perhaps you should try reading it, less that 4 minutes isn't long enough for you to have done more than glance at part of it. — Iain 11 secs ago

I really wanted to be quite nasty to the lazy git

English, please?

geez

just plain lazy - the OP's home site is webmasters so we shouldn't expect much I guess

'm William David Edwards, a web developer, web designer and system administrator (Linux).

I love PHP, Linux and UX. I made my first simple website when I was 5.

LOL

@Iain yes, but aparently he describes himself as a linux sysadmin...

oh and he's 13 too

haven't even seen this

lol

2:15 PM

@lain Lazyness? If I would show that article to my grandpa, he wouldn't understand it. And at the moment, so do I. — William David Edwards 3 mins ago

wtf has his grandpa got to do with this ?

@Iain o.O

13-year-old 'system administrator'... okay.png

@Iain I think what he wants to say is: "I'm too young to understand it, and my grandpa is too old to understand it. I'll go play in my sandcastle now."

also
> I've been doing more system administration since then and starting my own hosting business.
his "business" website is cpanels error page :p

@Nick :)

@Nick Seriously? o.O

2:30 PM

Dangit whats the markdown for quote

@Bob cyberfusion.nl

I have my own company, Cyberfusion, which owns multiple companies such as my hosting company ^

@Nick > quote, but markdown is disabled in chat multiline

@Bob ah...

@Nick oh wait, quotes are special-cased

if you start a message with a quote, the whole message is quoted, including multiple lines

it also works just after a :124254 reply

...chat "markdown" is the descendant of the regex cthulhu

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There should be a suspension reason "Script kiddie"

2:33 PM

lol

@Nick yeah, also there should be one "Because you're an idiot"

lol

@Nick that's both hilarious and sad at the same time

Have you seen his other SF question. Looks like he's been failing to understand DNS for months

@Iain good that he's not in the hosting business. oh wait!

2:36 PM

@MichelZ one of the few things to day that made me laugh out-loud

Also... his webmasters profile:

William David Edwards

434 12

domains ssl dns ssl-certificate web-hosting subdomain vps

@MichelZ That is nothing. Thanks to wireless technology I was coding from the womb. ;-)

> is there a way to use SSL without HTTPS and run it on HTTP?

uhm.

@Bob lol omg wtf bbq

@Bob just saw that one... what the actual fuck?

TTP + SSL = HTTPS

So, no, you cannot run SSL over HTTP.

Could you elaborate a bit further about the technical reason? — William David Edwards Sep 11 at 17:28

2:42 PM

@MichelZ you missed an H ;p

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Q: How do I use an API?

I need to use an API. I want to do the programming in PHP, but I have no idea where to start. I contacted the creator of the API asking how should I use API's in general? and he sent a link to the GitHub repository of someone who made a 'wrapper' for the API. What's a wrapper? And how do I ...

api

that guy is really funny

he deserves a bunch of "Certificate of Failure" certs

I mean, I get that he's 13. He's a beginner. Fine.

hmm is stupidstackexchangequestions.com available? if not somebody should register it

But by the same token he can't call himself a 'dev' or 'designer' or 'sysadmin', or anything else that requires any competence at all. He also shouldn't be hosting anything for others...

@Bob a beginner that doesn't know how to use google.

2:44 PM

@Nick that would be absolutely great, with an option to migrate questions there

@Nick One of the SU mods has been running gemsfromstackexchange for a while

though it's more for completely random crap

In related news (not by the same guy):

> Can I use ClamAV on GoDaddy shared hosting?

My Linux shared hosting (GoDaddy) doesn't have ClamAV installed. Unfortunately, I'm not a Linux expert; so I don't know exactly what is involved in installing an application on a Linux. So, my question is:

Can I install ClamAV on my shared hosting?
If I can't install it, is it possible to still use it somehow?

...wtf.

face->desk()

face.SlamInTheDoor();

reddit seems awfully slow today

perhaps I shouldn't be browsing reddit at work... but meh being the one that handles the firewall has its advantages :p

3:04 PM

I'm still finding emacs garbage everywhere on this system

@ewwhite eww emacs

C-x C-c

Q: Does new generation of programmers use Emacs?

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I know that Emacs was very popular a few decades ago, but now - when there are a lot of IDEs and text editors, is it still popular between us?

text-editor emacs

Witches

Sorcerers

Warlocks.

3:13 PM

I just realised... vim is not installed in the default ubuntu installation just nano and vi :p

eww, nano

@MichaelHampton for basic config editing its awesome

nano4ever!

@Nick Sure, right until it completely trashes your config file.

i don't need a PHD in text editing

3:15 PM

@MichaelHampton never happened to me

@Nick Ha. Don't worry, it will.

@MichaelHampton I also make a .orig config file before I start editing one :p

I edit config files with puppet.

@MichaelHampton You should see the things I can't unsee.

@ewwhite I've already seen your Flickr stream.

3:17 PM

 1050  09-19-2014 17:28:00  /root
 1051  09-19-2014 17:28:20  cd .ssh
 1052  09-19-2014 17:31:10  ll
 1053  09-19-2014 17:32:13  cp -v id_rsa ~gsmith/.ssh
 1054  09-19-2014 17:32:21  cp -v id_rsa.pub ~gsmith/.ssh
 1055  09-19-2014 17:32:33  cd ~gsmith/.ssh
 1056  09-19-2014 17:34:07  chmod 666 id_rsa
 1057  09-19-2014 17:34:12  chmod 666 id_rsa.pub

A dev logging in a root and trying to establish key exchange by taking root's pub/priv key

@ewwhite wat

@ewwhite This seems about average for Ubuntu users.

And then they placed their application path ahead of the system executable paths...

@MichaelHampton ubuntu user here

3:20 PM

lol

@Nick do you have a gun on your head? nod three times if yes

Some commands in their app's path have the same name as Linux executables..

@MichelZ eh. I still have a few instances of it myself ;p

@MichelZ I ~~like~~ prefer unity than most other DEs

@ewwhite ...I can't imagine the thought process here.

3:22 PM

@JourneymanGeek I don't actually know how good or bad ubuntu is. Can somewhere compare it in Windows terms? Is it Windows Vista, Windows ME?

@Nick Now, I'm wondering whether you have a gun to your head

@MichelZ: Its good when it works

@Bob 17:36 - I receive an email asking for help for passwordless key exchange to the FTP server

Its got up to date packages, and a fairly sane release cycle

@JourneymanGeek There has to be somebody out there who likes Unity. Otherwise it wouldn't still be around. The problem is that most of them are idiots...

@JourneymanGeek meh just like that its good out of the box ... not keen on trying to find suiting/good looking theme/icons for a DE atm

3:23 PM

However, sometimes shit dosen't work ;p

@Nick: Oh, most of my ubuntu instances are pure cli

when I run a gui, its KDE

@JourneymanGeek I run ubuntu on both my desktop and my servers

@Nick: home server and 2 vpses run ubuntu, primary daily use linux box runs fedora

Was going to move the home server over but I couldn't quite get some things working on fedora.

@JourneymanGeek what are you using your home server for? I just have an IRC bouncer on a VPS and a raspi (running debian) as a media player

@Nick: torrent seedbox, some storage

@JourneymanGeek ah rack mounted?

3:27 PM

naw

its a bunch of random crap thrown together.

ah tower case then?

@JourneymanGeek supermicro?

Old mini itx atom box, 2 random hard drives.

the old PSU died, so I chucked it in an actual beige box, and popped in my spare PSU...

Ah, I tried to get a old PC from a friend to use as a home server .... he had put in an incompatible CPU

If/when I do a replacement, I'll probably just get a second NUC class system and use that

3:30 PM

@JourneymanGeek never used one of those, are they good?

@Nick: I've got one of the lower end ones - a celeron based brix

they're lovely utility systems

Dangit enter key

Can you get the GPU to behave on linux without a good fight? :p

Oh, yeah.

Actually, I run drivers straight from intel

as long as you don't expect newer opengl versions than MESA supports, its great.

I had a little trouble with wifi, the driver for that specific system MAY need compiling with some kernels

I actually prefer having most things plugged in with cat5

oh, so do I

gigabyte.sg/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5038#ov

this is the specific model I have

3:36 PM

heh

0_0

Basiclly single slot of ram, one occupied mini pcie slot, one 2.5 inch drive

Ah had JS blocked thats why

HDMI and VGA out, 2 usb 2 and one USB3 ports, gigabit ethernet.

How much does this one cost? Seems interesting

nvm...

I'll possibly look into replacing my raspberrys with proper computers or NUCs

base cost of mine was s$245 with 4gb of ram, and about 90 quid for a 1tb hard drive

Not cheaper than a raspi, but significantly more capable

3:48 PM

Aye $/capability is nice

To bad nonce of these types have the PSU build in.

(nor the the rPi , but ...)

@Hennes the rpi doesnt even have a PSU :p

The 2Amp "phone charger" PSU's we get for them over here work, but have the damn electronics near the wall plug.

Anyway, I got my rPi for one singular reason: as a radio transmitter in case I worked at an office with annoying loud music.

@Hennes wouldnt 2 amps fry a Pi? I thought 1.5 was the max

Model 2B needs more power (and can be configured to provide up to 1.2 amp to its 4 USB ports)

@Hennes wat, you mean radio jammer? :p

3:54 PM

@Hennes: 12V wallwart

not much bigger than a phone charger

Turning_the_Raspberry_Pi_Into_an_FM_Transmitter

I figured I could transmit beeps. Rig a mic and if you did not receive a beep then change transmit frequency. Repeat until you are jamming the currently playing radio station

@Hennes why did that just give me an idea... a pretty ~~bad~~ awesome idea

Or just frequency hop making any radio in 92-105 FM unbearable

@Nick Did it involve war of the worlds records ?

@Hennes naah, my neighbors sometimes put radio on the speakers full blast at night... you can imagine the rest

Aye, a fixed frequency. Yup I can :)

do they have a dog?

4:00 PM

@Hennes yea they do

And how well does there radio transmit a dog whistle

@Hennes no idea on that one

@Nick that is not how electricity works.

simple (if somewhat inaccurate) visualisation: voltage is 'pushed', current is 'pulled'. except some rare edge cases, a voltage source (e.g. USB charger)'s current is the capacity, and the device will only draw as much as it needs

true.

@Bob heard somewhere there was a max amperage... didnt really look too much into it

4:02 PM

@Nick there's going to be a max current that can go through the pi, e.g. drawn by some device attached to the pi via USB. that's a different issue entirely.

simply put, it doesn't matter if you connect a pi to a voltage source with a capacity of 1A, 2A, even 5A, since it won't draw more than it needs

(though, some voltage sources have a minimum current draw below which they may not work at all, so some 5A ones actually might not work... but for a different reason)

4:22 PM

> @joeqwerty I know very good how DNS works, just not how 'IP DNS' works.

so there's someone with an understanding

@Iain still discussing with him?

Wow.

@MichelZ he deleted it after some other people got involved

:)

Wow indeed

4:26 PM

everyone told him he's an idiot?

can't see deleted questions :(

we should get 10 fake-internet-points for hanging around in chat per hour

3

:)

Q: How best to enumerate a server network

4:39 PM

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What techniques or programs do you typically use, when you start a gig at a complex environment and no one can tell you what servers are out there, and documentation doesn't exist? I typically start off with getting access to one system, and a few URLs, then drill down and start manually enumera...

nmap mapping