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Dan
11:00 AM
Sorry, I'll be honest
I missed the "If" and started to panic
 
:)
 
Dan
If you lurk SF for a while you'll start to see the influx of "Hi, I'm going to write a new Facebook competitor this morning. I expect 30 million users by next month - should I use a Mac?"
 
@its_meα you're in the wrong place for this discussion
 
okay. I just wanted to ask. Lets forget it. :) it's fine.
@Dan and I am not planning on any such thing. I am learning to program.
 
I just heard 'boobs' and came running. Never really lurked in chat before...
 
Dan
11:02 AM
@its_meα Appreciated, though as Iain says, this isn't really the place for it
 
We really do prefer that you talk about boobs.
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okay.
And here goes... how do most sysadmins gain experience? first get a job, learn from your trainers?
 
just had white chocolate for the first time :O
@itsme - go to school, or training.
 
Find/build something small that no-one cares about, break it, fix it, etc.
 
hmm..
 
11:05 AM
Training's useful too though, if you've got the resources for that
 
Dan
@its_meα Experience and more experience, with plenty of "Oh shit..." moments
 
lol
 
Dan
Like any job - you don't start as a Chef in a Michelin Starred restaurant - you get a crappy job in your local town where you peel spuds all day
 
I still own a cowboy hat... but wait until someone at a higher paygrade tells me its okay to wear it.
 
Dan
@SpacemanSpiff First time ever? WHAT?
 
11:07 AM
I was a very picky eater growing up, I lived on powered donuts and dry toast for like 6 years
Still to this day trying many things for the first time.
@ 29 years old
I didn't have pizza until 16 I think? Ice cream at 18
 
good for ya, actually!
IMHO
 
I eventually graduated from powered donuts and dry toast to salami sandwiches and mcdonalds
thats when i started getting tubby
over time, a mostly junk food american diet, up until about 3 years ago
 
Dan
:D
White chocolate is nice
 
Databases, eh? Maybe you should speak to TomTom...
 
tastes like cheesecake
 
11:10 AM
@its_meα Can I just say that no large site you've ever heard of got to even being remotely well known status without calling in the experience of domain experts - it doesn't matter how smart young guys are they can't do it all and will repeat previously-made mistakes if they don't call in those who've done this before. Go to facebook/google/flickr and there'll be guys in their mid-30's or older who've built previous systems - don't try to break this cycle/rule, you'll fail.
 
I once knew a girl who called me TomTom
 
@Chopper3 right.
@Chopper3 : Large hosting companies like Softlayer, Rackspace, and Voxel offer enterprise-grade managed hosting with dedicated support team. Can that substitute the need for employing experts???
 
Is the chat "Enable desktop notification" meant to work? Can't say I've seen any notifications since I enabled it.
 
@growse I am sure it works in Chrome
 
Aha, it just popped up. Must be I only get notified if I'm tagged. Feel stupid now.
 
11:21 AM
@growse where is this ?
 
I expect so, but not if you don't work with them on scaling - nobody can scale from tiny to huge without many levels of reengineering along the way and all of that will be based on the various assumptions and measurements that can be taken at that time, these change along the way so need rework - so yeah they'll help but if you try to run flickr on them then it'll cost many times what it'd cost to do it yourself with people who know what they're doing
 
@Iain might not work in non-Chrome
@Iain below the starred questions on the right.
 
@its_meα So is this what you're building? some kind of flickr alternative? if so is it your company or are you just working on it? what sort of investment do you have?
 
It's just me. I can spend up to $10,000 a month. And I believe that would be okay for a start. Since it's a paid service, I guess the premium subscriptions will pay for the increasing costs.
(premium subscriptions - directly proportional to - service usage - directly proportional to - costs)
@Chopper3 and did you or your company have any experience with Softlayer, Rackspace, or Voxel so far?
 
@itsme You'll probably find that your costs don't necessarily scale linearly
 
11:26 AM
hmm... then I'll continue to sharpen the product until I can invest more
 
@its_meα No, not at all, that's really not the kind of thing we do
 
besides I am just starting to learn programming now. So, there's a lot of time, before it actually happens
@Chopper3 okay
 
@growse don't see it on FF
 
well, better get to it then :)
 
@Iain probably not supported on FF then.
 
11:29 AM
At the end of the day there are few substitutes for having at least one expert actually on your side of the fence. Even if their main expertise is in talking to the real experts at your hosting companies/cloud providers and detecting bullcrap
 
So you're happy to invest $120k/pa but don't want to bring in a DBA to consult for you? and it's your company but you want to do the programming? Seems odd, are you a business guy or a coder? not sure you can be both
 
I think he should invest 120k in boobies, that way at least 8 women will be out there with larger breasts.
 
designing and building really complex systems with a lot of dependencies is just as hard in the systems / networking side of things as it is in the programming side of things.
 
Plus £120k, spent wisely, would actually get you a pretty useful block of basic infrastructure, a TINY fraction of what you'd need to handle even a few % of flickr's workload but it'd work at least
 
It sounds like £10k a month from someone who's just learning programming will get spent on figuring out what it is you don't know yet.
 
11:32 AM
@its_meα who's doing your finance/legal stuff, do you have a business plan?
 
To me, what's going to seperate you from Flickr? It's not like the world needs "another" image hosting site, what's going to make your one stand out and be successful?
 
what about marketing, how are you approaching this, what are your market research numbers to justify this? also how will a subscription model work in comparison to your competition?
 
@Chopper3 and @RobMoir : I thought experts are costly?
 
@tombull89 speed of failure?
 
I am not a business man. I am a student
 
11:34 AM
@its_meα So is blowing all your money and having nothing to show for it.
 
@Chopper3 lol
 
@its_meα you don't need an FTE DBA, but one who would look at the requirements and tell you what DB to start with - because believe you me, whatever you start with will need changing before you get to 2 x flickr stages, nothing scales from zero to that level, nothing free anyway
 
okay
 
Dan
I'm still confused as to whether this entirely hypothetical or not. Or is it for an assignment...?
 
@its_meα I had a dream once too - it involved a red indian squaw, a toy car, five gallons of WD40 and a shovel - but that's not going to happen either
 
11:36 AM
What's the usual pay for database admins or sysadmins (per month)?
with good level of expertise
 
@itsme - hiring an expert to help you succeed can be costly. But let me put it this way, if you think hiring an expert to help do it right is costly, you should see the cost of doing it wrong and then hiring someone to put it right.

And don't forget that you can contract someone for the hours you need rather than signing on a full time employee, if needs be.
 
@itsme I think you're going to run us out of patience if you don't start talking about boobies
 
@its_meα depends on location and enviroment, really.
 
I'm in the UK but I'd say around £300/$400/day - but if you pay them for say a week or two you'd get a big chunk of work done
 
@its_meα impossible to answer, large number of factors
it's like asking how much a CEO earns
it depends on location, type of business, size of company etc
Just.. focus on learning stuff, salary is a bonus later on
lab at home.. build systems (even if nobody wants to use them)
 
11:38 AM
@SpacemanSpiff hehe!
 
get a entry-level job somewhere, work your self the way up, change jobs, make profit etc
you're basically asking us for a life plan here :P
 
:) okay, I get it
 
and some of us have fairly poor lives. I mean you might even learn about socks and trannys if you stick around.
 
oh god
 
I work as a SysAdmin in a public school in the UK. I get a lot less than someone in a private school, and they would get less that somone working for a bank, or something like that, where downtime means loss of serious money. cough eBuyer cough
@SpacemanSpiff Are you trying to scare him off?
 
11:40 AM
@its_meα This is homework right? please don't waste our time if it is, just pick a product and list its pro's and con's - that's all the tutor wants, if he reads it at all. If it's not homework you need to start WAY lower down the list of priorities than what DB to use, you need a business plan, cash flow plan, you need to understand the market and create a differentiated product/service and route to market. Watch the Apprentice, this isn't easy and it's not cheap or quick either.
 
I started building "servers" at my moms attic when I was 12 years old, consisting of outdated hardware running FreeBSD.. I've tried to get as much work as I could since then, and I'm now 29.. there are lots of people making tons of more money below my age
 
@tombull89 - I meant sockets and transmission control protocol, of course.
 
@Chopper3 Okay, that's £9000 a month ~ $14000 per month?! That's costly mean. This is my plan. I will build something nice, the best I can. Launch it, and see how it goes. I have nothing to lose.
:)
 
you don't need them for long though
 
@its_meα You actually have the money to do this?
 
11:42 AM
@tombull89 I can only spend $10k a month.
 
Dan
@pauska I nearly got us banned from our ISP around that age cos I built an open relay :D
 
How are you planning on 'launching' this? Field of Dreams style? that doesn't work
 
@Chopper3 - I don't know, it might work if it involves free boobs.
 
Dan
@its_meα Spend it on me - you can invest in my campervan <---
 
@Chopper3 can you be a bit more clear?
 
11:42 AM
@Dan I gave out free shells for l33t people to run IRC bots.. I quickly drowned in DDoS and got terminated from my ISP :P
 
I'm trying to win a badge for mentioning boobs more than anyone in one day. If there isn't one, there should be.
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Dan
@pauska Those were the days :D
 
@itsme building something "the best you can" at a lower level then scaling up if the demand is there is likely to work out better than trying to launch a site that tries to be everything and overstretches itself from day one
 
@its_meα okay, "only" $10k. wheres the money coming from?! you got someone to invest in you?
 
@its_meα talk us through your 'launch'?
 
Dan
11:43 AM
I should be cracking on with View, but this is amazing
 
i so enjoy having to go through GPOs building up user settings from scratch
 
@tombull89 No offense. I know that's more. But for hosting costs (dedi servers), paying someone to do stuff etc. it's not enough. I meant "only" from a startup point-of-view. Sorry
 
@Chopper3: Something strange: Flagged 2 posts as spam, both posts are gone now. Flags not deemed helpfull/declined. Is there anything that can be done about this?
 
@Chopper3 You mean...?
 
@its_meα oh, granted, 10k isn't enough but it's a place to start...have you got the money though? who from?
 
11:45 AM
@tombull89 parents. If I am sure I want to launch it, they'll invest up to $250,000 (not all at a time - - in small chunks).
 
@BartDeVos linkies?
@its_meα ok, you're not getting this, you want to 'launch' your web site - tell me how you do that, what happens the day you launch, how do people learn about your site so that they may choose whether to give you money or not - right now the underpant gnomes from south park have a better business plan
 
@its_meα -blink- okay.
I wish my parents could do that.
 
Dan
@its_meα Holy shit. Do they not like having money?
 
@Chopper3 oh that! I will first list out the pros of my service/product. Then send emails to my contacts (bloggers), TechCrunch, Mashable etc. Private beta with exclusive invites to those sites etc.
I am sure, i will learn a lot from the feedback I get through the private beta stage
 
11:48 AM
with all due respect, that's exactly the same as a million other startups that, well, start up and aren't clear what problem they're solving that people actually have and disappear without a bang.
 
@Dan They want me to do something useful. And I want to do something big.
 
@Chopper3 I'm in the same boat btw, also flagged those as spam, eggs and bacon
 
and you don't think that maybe techcrunch, mashable etc don't get literally hundreds of identical emails per day? what's special about yours
 
Dan
@its_meα But you're going to do neither and end up with nothing
 
@BartDeVos I flagged them too - they haven't been marked helpful or declined
 
11:49 AM
@Dan don't be so sure about that. :)
 
Dan
@its_meα Dude - you came to ask what DB you should run on
 
you don't need to talk to the new media twats at mashable half as much as you need to get hold of a target audience, whoever that is, and explain exactly what real life problem they actually are having that your site solves, and how either no one else solves that or how they're all crap compared to you because you've spotted something they miss
 
@Chopper3 That's a secret for now.
 
there were a bunch of deleted spammy answers on those but they're still deleted
 
its not so much that we want to steal your secrets, it more a case of asking you to be sure yourself that your secret is really going to be a hit
 
11:50 AM
@RobMoir exactly, yes, I have.
 
@its_meα better be one hell of a secret - I just think you're going to be spending a lot of money in the wrong direction
 
Dan
Look, dude - fair play if you go for it and kudos if it works for you. We need start ups and we need people with ideas and I'm not trying to stifle that. But you're going about this ass backwards
 
pfo
@Dan you would be amazed about how much companies are doing exactly the same ...
 
it looks like splatne has just deleted the account after the first flag @BartDeVos and it appears that if that happens then no FW is awarded
 
whatever I do, I will try and get some good advise from STACK users.
 
11:52 AM
we're not being cynical about this 'cos we're cynical bastards... well i mean we are all cynics... but we're just hoping to help you do the right thing. I certainly wish you luck wherever you go with this :-)
 
Dan
@its_meα but advise over the net can only take you so far, and it's not very far I'm afraid. You need consultancy
But yeah - there's nothing stopping you from building a small scale beta
 
Same, I certainly wish you the best but you need some sort of professional help.
 
@Iain As long as the flags don't get declined, it's fine :)
 
@its_meα this is SF though dude, not SO
 
Dan
Just be prepared to scale, and hope that your business allows that without much more investment
A huge problem for businesses is having enough interest that they need to scale, but not enough cash flow to invest in it.
 
11:54 AM
@BartDeVos indeed - I hadn't noticed btw - Only 20 left to get back to 750 :)
 
@Dan That's exactly what I am talking about.
@tombull89 I understand
 
Dan
You're problem is that to get professional help, you're going to have to tell them lots of detail
 
@Chopper3 I would need help from both SO and SF
 
No, you need professional help, not just a few crumbs from the table of pros talking about boobs
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@its_meα no, you need help from consultants
 
11:56 AM
that's cool, that's what we're here for. Though both sites are more "I have this precise bug with this precise (programming/network/whatever) issue" than "help me design my infrastructure".
 
@its_meα Two final questions from me, how old are you (if you don't mind me asking) and where abouts do you live (UK, US, etc?)
 
@Rob
 
There's a lot of assumptions that people make about that kind of thing that really need to be handled on a proper face to face, one to one basis rather than crowdsourced
yes?
 
@tombull89 20 and IN
 
@RobMoir "help me design my infrastructure" is a lot like "what widget should I buy" - they tend to get closed more often than not...
 
11:57 AM
also you need to know this; no programmer can run a business - never, not for more than a year max anyway, if you're a programmer do programming jobs, don't try to do both jobs, you'll fail. Someone passes Obama a coffee every day but it doesn't mean that guy could become president and make his own coffee
 
well yes, that's kinda my point... I'm just being awfully British and under-stated about it ;-)
 
we do that ;)
 
another reason for the face to face thing actually.
 
Dan
Am I right in saying youv'e never held a pro IT job?
(And I swear I'm not being nasty here, bear with me)
 
@Dan of course! you are right
 
11:59 AM
when you're betting the farm on someone's design you need to look them in the eye and see just how confident they really are in the answers they're giving you
 
my wife's got me watching a twitter feed to find out when a shop is getting in some felt animal kits so I can buy them - ffs, is this what my life has become??
 
felt animal kits? As long as they're not kittens...
 
@RobMoir right
 
@its_meα that's like you owning a football and then saying you want to beat the Bears/Jets/whoever - there's a few steps in between
@RobMoir one is actually :(
 
@Chopper3 I do understand that I have a long way to go. And I will make sure I reach my goal
 
Dan
12:01 PM
It's just that, when I was 18 - and a friend and I had finished college (All IT related) and thought we were ready to take on the world. We messed around with starting up an IT business but, naturally, ended up doing the usual shitty home user stuff like cleaning viruses and installing new hardware.

I then went and got a job doing 1st / 2nd line support for a school where I really began to learn. Business IT is a long long long way away from whatever you can do at home or in school / college etc. Trust me on that - get some real world experience first!
 
If I walked into a bank and asked for £500,000 to set up a website and I had no sample code, no working beta, no development/marketing plan they would laugh me out of the place.
 
Dan
@tombull89 We need another .com bubble :D
 
@tombull89 I am not there yet.
 
This is the problem with 'easy money' - you're not forced to work your ass off for it.
 
And by the way, I have already bought the .com, .net, .org and .tv domains for the name
 
12:03 PM
@Dan speaks sense...going from nothing to all-out spending money is not a good idea. I've been doing my job for two years and I would need to do it for another 20 before I was fully confident going out on my own.
 
@growse you are wrong. I will work my ass off
 
@its_meα what about .xxx? ;)
 
@tombull89 they probably would even if you did
 
@tombull89 hmm...
 
What's it gonna be called? Flickimgur?
@Chopper3 True.
 
12:04 PM
@tombull89 secret
I will do what I can to make it standout of the crowd
 
@its_meα Fair enough.
 
@itsme @tombull89 is right - getting funding from a VC or bank provides a massive incentive to do your market research, business planning, prototyping before you get to throw any money down the drain
 
Dan
@its_meα Mate - I think we all know how you feel right now. It's just, I dunno, if you've not seen enterprise IT in action, how the hell do you expect to replicate it?
 
@its_meα AHHHH! .TV, now you're talking my language - what you do isn't a flickr alt is it? you're reinventing youtube right? now we're in my territory - $10k a day was it you could spend?
 
Mostly because you won't get the funding until you've done the legwork. It sounds here like you've already got money for something, and now you're just trying to figure out what to do with it.
 
12:06 PM
 
If the VCs actually like my product, they'll come to me. If my service is not useful/catchy, they shouldn't
 
VCs hear and reject millions of pitches every year. Why would they come looking for you if you weren't interested in approaching them for their investment?
 
Dan
@Chopper3 This reminds me of an argument with a guy who reckoned he could build a genuine Facebook replacement for 100k a year. He was a programmer, too - I sent him some links to an EVA, a chassis and a Flex10 NIC. Not entirely relevent, but it made my point.
 
@growse They'll come. :)
 
@itsme Yeah, that's not how Venture Capitalism works, but good luck.
 
12:07 PM
VCs don't care about product, they care about ROI, your product could be great or crap, so long as your business plan and marketing positions are clear and verifiable
 
pfo
@Dan but things like facebook are not running on anything shared like an EVA
there are no enterprise grade central elements that can handle things like FB etc.
 
@Dan just a single 10Gb SFP+ at non-corp discount is silly money for a startup
 
@Chopper3 like I said, it's a paid service, with a free plan that allows people to check it out.
 
Dan
@pfo My point to him that enterprise equipment isn't cheap. To be honest, I have no idea what FB runs on, nor do I care.
 
@its_meα Start reading Hacker News, they just had a new round of start-ups. They will not come after you, you need to knock on their doors.
 
12:08 PM
@pfo but then they've invested millions in custom code so they don't have to
 
StackExchange is running on VC...small matter of $17 Million....just a though.
 
pfo
a huge part of all that .com v2 stuff is to use low end consumer crap
 
If they aren't interesting in products like DropBox, I wouldn't put my hopes up high.
 
startups today would get far with little money.. drdb+nginx+haproxy(etc) on low-end hardware
 
@its_meα aka Freemium
 
12:09 PM
@BartDeVos I DO NOT HAVE A PRODUCT YET.
 
@its_meα How many paid customers do you expect in the first month, quarter, year, what about year 2?
 
Half the people talking now haven't been to the conversation from the beginning
 
@tombull89 exactly, and they have a tiny infrastructure and small support team (quality guys though ;) )
 
@Chopper3 And a decent product.
 
pfo
@Chopper3 exactly - they spent millions of bucks and thousands of hours thinking (from kickass engineers) about how to run things the way they are currently doing - and 1000s of man hours in the western world is where your money goes - the equipment cost etc is probably next to nothing to that ...
 
12:10 PM
@BartDeVos If dropbox, to you, is interesting, you'll probably love mine
 
@pfo exactly
 
@its_meα I've been reading up...
 
Dan
@its_meα tbh, this is getting kind of dull. You have no product and you won't even tell us your idea
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@its_meα mylittleponylover.com is still free though?
 
dropbox is useful but I wouldn't call it interesting. I know lots of products I'd describe that way too
 
12:11 PM
@its_meα To me, yes, not to VCs.
 
@itsme You might wanna take note that this room is logged, and public for anyone to view/download transcript. I recommend you to stop the conversation completely.
 
@Chopper3 not for much longer...
 
I assumed @Holocryptic had that pony URL stitched up
 
@BartDeVos then you should have known that I am learning, still
 
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Q: Networking home computers without permission

TORRIEMy husband is divorcing me. We have three computers using the same router. I think he has recently setup a home network without my permission. He has now locked his computer with passwords. I am starting to have problems with my computer and have found files which state that I do not have permiss...

OMG
 
12:12 PM
@its_meα Please come back when you launch, although I'm sure we'll all be using and paying for it from day one anyway, but come back - we'll offer you some free pentesting too if you like
 
pfo
@BartDeVos OM_F_G!
 
SSSSSSSH!
 
"My husband is divorcing me. " -> This can only end bad
 
@Dan This chat is public. The reason i can't speak.
 
@BartDeVos wow. just...wow.
 
12:12 PM
we're being logged
stop talking
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pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease
I want funpics and boob talk back
 
@Chopper3 save it for later
 
someone show me a pair of smoking hot tits please
 
@Chopper3...migrated...really?
 
@pauska that's the reason why I havent given any details about my service/product so far
 
seriously, come back - we'll all help you when you have answerable questions
 
pfo
12:13 PM
no wonder they are divorcing if the husband is not even supposed to setup a "home network" without her permission. i would divorce that bitch too! ;)
 
@tombull89 where is it most likely to get appropriate answers quickly?
 
@Chopper3 sure thing!
 
Dan
@BartDeVos That's amazing
 
@Dan Or sad, depending on the view
 
@pauska google?
 
Dan
12:14 PM
@pauska I call both!
 
@Chopper3 I would have just killed-it-with-fire.
 
my girlfriend had an ex like that.. he had keyloggers on her laptop to spy on her
 
Boo. I was just flagging that one when I got the ominous blue bar of "YOU'R TOO LATE!!!!"
 
@Chopper3 seriously, okay!
 
@tombull89 know what you mean but let SU have a go
 
12:15 PM
@growse Same
 
@its_meα Just...when you do ask questions, make sure they're decent answerable ones otherwise you'll hit the quality filter like you did on M.SO.
 
:)
 
@BartDeVos Personally, I think the blue bar should have a more mocking tone.
 
aaaand...it's raining again. This weather needs to sort itself out.
@growse need more comic sans.
 
@growse Maybe add "sad trombone"
 
12:17 PM
I receivedvery good advise so far, satirical mostly, but eye openers. Thanks for everything. I hope to build something useful, and try to keep it interesting. And I will put my best efforts into it. That's all I can say for now. You'll know when I am ready. :)
 
@BartDeVos +1 Sad Trombone
 
Wish me good luck, hey?!
 
Dan
@its_meα Good luck - build it, just don't spend any money yet
(Please - for me)
 
@its_meα Have fun & Good Luck ;)
BTW
 
pfo
@its_me the important things like a prototype can be built without much monetary effort - try to build something that you can show to people that captures your core idea. you can get professional help to implement that later on ...
 
12:19 PM
@Dan :) sure. I will not have too much money left if I spend it all. I am not rich
 
super user is actualy giving it a chance:
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Q: Networking home computers without permission

TORRIEMy husband is divorcing me. We have three computers using the same router. I think he has recently setup a home network without my permission. He has now locked his computer with passwords. I am starting to have problems with my computer and have found files which state that I do not have permiss...

 
@pfo right. Thanks
 
Dan
RIght, this has been fun but I'm thinking soup, sandwich and then crack on with my videos
I'm 4 in and have yet to fire up ESXi
 
:)
buh, bye! And take care.
 
Bye
 
12:25 PM
@bart - sirex's answer is quite good if you ask me
 
pfo
@RobMoir it is
 
@RobMoir It is
If you strip out all the drama, it's a valid question
 
yep, I'm glad to see it get a decent hearing upvoted
 
this should not have been closed
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Q: Best RAID for DAS

JohnyDI'm finishing off a Terminal Services solution where I have two identical Dell PowerEdge R710 servers running Hyper-V which will both be connected to a Dell MD3000 DAS via SAS HBA. The MD3000 will host several virtual terminal servers and I'm wondering what would be a good disk configuration for ...

he gave lots of info about the setup, it's a perfectly valid question
 
@pauska agreed, voted to reopen
 
12:29 PM
but it wasn't closed by a mod, it was closed by 5 regular users, any Q can be closed that way, democracy in action
 
I know chopper, I just linked it here to get it reopened
 
indeedy
 
Why am I starting to call you chopper, Phil?
The choppertard episode must have confused my brain
 
Can I see close comments?
 
:)
 
12:34 PM
come on - one more vote so I can edit the question back to its original state
:P
 
@pauska - go
 
Woooo - new badge
apparently I've voted 300 times. Feels like about 300,000
 
@voretaq7 Yes, I was hating on scheme, and yes, that does make several rather poignant statements regarding your worth as a person.
 

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