morning room

@johnp morning

happy thursday

it was really warm last night...strange this time of year

I am having a bit of a mental problem with following question

I fail to see what problem the user is trying to solve?

I mean neither sketch or illustrator is a software for data driven graphics.

So why exactly would you search for a alternative for something that does not really do what you want.

With a software that does not do really what you want either

Its like they have not thought this thing trough at all.

very badly written. Maybe he wants some sort of user input data collected from a website to fill in a design template for cutting?

I agree, DV'd

Then why not do svg?

Thatway you can have user preview?

dont ask me, i just dwaw pwetty pictchos. mornin @Vincent , you ever hear of that board game Bloc by Bloc? My sister mentioned it as a christmas gift but im not sure if it'll arrive on time

@johnp never heard of it

boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/190247/bloc-bloc-insurrection-game

no worries. it seems to be new but im surprised she asked for it...thought there might be some hype over it

and as to delivery times... I have no clue :)

looks fun tho

and morning :)

(afternoon)

sunset time so maybe the rebels will be in my block next? ;)

hehe k, just said id ask as I know you play board games. Never thought my sis did though, dunno if i could risk it arriving in time for the holidays.

sunset? i know you have shorter daylight hours but that seems bizarre to my small brain @joojaa

do you have that swappy thing where you have half a year without daylight?

sun sets at 15.14 today so still 1:30 hours of light tough it already quite dark outside

Its almost as bad as it gets @johnp its only 10 days or so for solistice so the day will only shorten by about 15 minutes form today

on the opposite end during summer we have long days

interesting

i never thought of the effects that would have on nature? if any

Err ever heard of winter

haha yeah... was just thinking in terms of nocturnal animals...sleep patterns. ignore my ditsiness :P

Well bears sleep for many months

hedgehogs, insects and bats hibernate

@johnp let me draw a picture for you

This is how the shadow of earth behaves trough out the year at 15:00 helsinki time

over the span of one year (2016)

oh cool

hehe eternal sunrise or sunset must be fun to look at

something about that yo-yo effect makes me giggle

sunset lasts for a very long time

@johnp the red dot is where i am

i may add finland to my list of destinations

oh there was this video that shows the difference well

@johnp as you see if you want to relax you should come in the winter

And thats is shouthern finland it gets more ridiculous up north

i find the summer much stranger lol

affinity photo for windows is out of beta now

yeah saw that, ill pass

just bought it lol. not giving up adobe just yet but i wanna support the devs

as far as illustration goes i like how they break down the dichotomy of vector and raster workflows into one app

Well it does not work for my workflow

scripting?

i feel so silly, im trying to piece together a Medusa drawing without my manikin software and I'm looking up the anatomy of boobies... my books dont go into great detail :v

may end up covering it in drapery...trying to make a greek bust sculpture

Im not comfy with a application that is developped without giving good tought on how it can be extended

But what i really would like is shader support

i see...

I mean its very critical for the long term success.

Its fine if you have a HUGE company behind you to engineer all yourself

But a smal company has to put extendability as a numer one feature of anything they make

otherwise DOA

is adobe extensible in this way?

Yes

Badly but it is

and allways has had a API for programmers

One of the reason of photoshops success in the 90's

ah ok. I would expect Affinity to implement this at some point, if they haven't started already. They sound like they have their code well organised from what I've read on the forums. I know that all their tools are already node based under the hood so that will be interesting to see in future

Yes but you can not implement it after the fact

Either you are open in your design at day one

OR you have broken support

yeah you mentioned this before, lets see if they have some sort of plan to unveil something

Sure...

in parctice ive seen many apps like this.

maya had scripting from day one

3dSmax did not

it halted 3dmaxes usergroup for 5 years

@johnp its a bil like being emberrased of your family

haha with regard to how well their app is put together or something?

@johnp exactly

@johnp that was exactly what Fireworks tried to do (and where it failed horribly imo)

lol i know of fireworks but never used it. well, they still have two apps but each can open the other

@PieBie yes its ultimately about the ability to reason the effects of your actions

In the end Adobe wins because

hehe yeah that's a bit of a hurdle for Serif alright xD i wish the guys luck though

did you ever drink so much coffee that you fill empty in the pit of your soul?

._.

:3

ive been trying to draw boobs for the past 2 hours ;(

wasnt able to reinstall my manikin software so im in the dark lol

@johnp lol