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12:37 AM

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Q: Is there a fast way to correct color differences in Photoshop CS6

I'm using Photoshop CS6 and I just photographed about 50 different high polish objects. Is there any way to correct the color and reflection in an easy way? the only way i know would be the copy-stamp and mend-tool (I hope they're called that in english, i just translated it from german) with t...

was really hoping someone else might step up and answer

johnp

1:23 AM

you ever have any mean tutors in uni @Ryan ? lol

struggling with an assignment for a poster....i have plenty of ideas but rather than focusing on the design problem, i'm trying to please this guy ¬_¬

BESW

Mmm, that can be a problem.

But on the flip side, it's something I face with my clients too.

You gotta make something you're okay with having your name attached to, but also it has to be something the client will pony up for.

johnp

true that...though i feel like this guy would give false criticism...likes to be sarcastic, put people down all the time

BESW

Ah, yeah. Instructors who think abuse is constructive are... well, they're good opportunities to practice one's patience and self-esteem.

johnp

haha one way of looking at it

it's a shame really cus it creates a really stifling environment. i dont believe designers should evaluate initial concepts/brainstorming until all options are laid out on the table, but it isnt the case here...very restrictive

BESW

1:46 AM

Yeah, it doesn't sound... ideal.

But it is the kind of attitude you'll probably run into throughout your career, so learning skills to deal with it is valuable.

johnp

i would complain more but i dont like discussing it online! :P

yeah true

but at least a client wants you to find a solution :/ it doesn't feel like that is the case here

BESW

I'm still figuring out those skills, and will always be improving them.

Aye, academic environments can be kinda skewed.

(Most of my clients are part of the local university, so I still have to navigate that arena.)

johnp

yeah humans are awful creatures :3

BESW

3:15 AM

I'm reading campaign sign design advice for an upcoming poster (theatrical production about an election), and oooh boy is this a different world.

> There has never been a one color design that can not be improved by adding a second color.

johnp

where did you read that lol

BESW

politicallawnsigns.com

johnp

trying to think of metaphors for corruption and power here for a hamlet thing

im so close to getting something i could pop

BESW

Hmmm. I never really thought of Hamlet as a story of corrupted power.

Is your target demographic familiar with Hamlet?

johnp

playing off the line "something is rotten in the state of denmark"

yep...just trying to create some visual irony somehow

trying very hard to avoid skulls xD

BESW

3:26 AM

Well, there's always the "poison in the ear" thing.

johnp

that's a good idea

BESW

As for rotten... well, how about a Denmark-shaped apple with a bite out of it and a worm?

johnp

at the moment im playing with cast shadows to communicate a kind of surreptitious coveting for the throne

corruption of both power & the mind

yeah that's what i was thinking! but wasn't sure what shape to leave in the apple other than skull!

BESW

I'm also fond of the arras-stabbing, but that's... less recognisable, probably.

johnp

been thinking of doing something with treacle and beatles

weeds

BESW

3:29 AM

@johnp That'd play into Ophelia's final scene.

johnp

yeah there's a good description of the weeds and nettles she gathered

i had originally decided to do a cropped illustration of ophelia but im trying to make things super minimal now

some really nice ideas here pinterest.com/search/pins/…

BESW

Well, if you're going super-minimal....

johnp

not so much minimal than ironic/visually witty

BESW

A solid black background with HAMLET across the top in pink-grey sans serif, a gulf of empty black for the centre of the sheet, and at the bottom a handful of weeds and nettles thrown on the ground.

johnp

haha that would be good

feeds into my own nihilistic mindset too :3

BESW

3:33 AM

I do a Shakespeare poster about once every year, and the director always has some weird new gimmick to make the production stand out.

So I've got a lot of "traditional" Shakespeare poster concepts backed up.

johnp

yeah it's a nice challenge cus Shakespeare has been done so many times

BESW

It's actually easier to do something "new" when I've got a specific and gimmicky production to work with.

I'll use textures from the costumes, or frame the poster to match the stage layout, or what-have-you.

Restrictions and limitations push creativity in directions it wouldn't go on its own.

johnp

yeah it's fun. i love metonyms and synedoche

i think breaking imagery down to concepts like that can make things easier to brainstorm

BESW

I'm usually pretty good with the brainstorming, given a clearly defined subject or goal. It's the practical actions of building the concept back up into specific objects to work with that gets me bogged down; I tend to spend too much time in the intermediate steps.

johnp

same, the specifics and details of putting the concept together can be tricky. especially when trying to merge it with type

BESW

3:44 AM

How can I have this many fonts and ALL OF THEM ARE WRONG!?

Tweeted by UrsulaV on August 29, 2016 at 1:59 AM

johnp

this particular tutor likes shadows and type that's situated within the space of the photo so it restricts the outcome a little bit

BESW

...a noir motivational desktop?

johnp

hmm?

BESW

That's what it sounds like he wants.

johnp

lol he wants a slap

BESW

3:46 AM

[amused]

johnp

5:59 AM

observer.com/2016/08/…

Vincent

12:03 PM

@johnp interesting

but no 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13 yet.

joojaa

12:49 PM

Who the hell came up with the idea of retina screens

BESW

@joojaa Blaaargh. I'm just now looking at a new iMac and going "Eeeh I don't really NEED that, do I?"

PieBie

@joojaa I hate them from the bottom of my heart, I really do

joojaa

LOL

so i am not alone

BESW

We left 3D printer running overnight to finish this dog. It seems to have deviated from the program. #librarylife https://t.co/Esb2SbBiaj

Tweeted by UffishL on August 29, 2016 at 7:00 PM

joojaa

@BESW was just going to say that thats is some nice 3d print unwinding itself

I have had this happen a few times now

Cai

1:00 PM

I love my Retina screens... why on earth would you hate them?

joojaa

@Cai the entire concept that the image plane is separately dimension ed from the display is a very annying concept. I mean i have a comparably dense non retina screen and its just as good without such property attached to the environment.

Vincent

@PieBie so do I

joojaa

1:16 PM

Wohaa, there is a feature in illustrator that i was sure was not there and was on my list of complaints. strikes it out

BESW

?

joojaa

happy happy joy joy... saved 20 clicks with mouse. Now if only i could force it to uodate in background :P <- Never happy

:)

DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ

2:05 PM

@BESW always happens when you leave a printer running overnight.

Vincent

@DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ so your office is full with this kind of art? :D

DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ

2:28 PM

@Vincent ha, that happened once like 15 years ago and it destroyed the mimaki and it never worked right afterward, this is the mimaki

notice the price, lol

Vincent

....ouch

ouch ouch ouch

DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ

it was more like, curse word followed by throwing across the room the material it destroyed followed by a long curse word then neighbors next door came over to see what the noise was as they were worried.

@Vincent see your on vacation, any fun plans set?

Vincent

hope you were insured D:

@DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ well... fly to California in two days? :P

DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ

@Vincent no insurance doesn't cover that.

@Vincent awesomeness!! what brings you to cali? the coast?

great white sharks?

Vincent

the cities, the nature and the relaxed atmosphere, I suppose :D

DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ

2:39 PM

nah that's cool

Vincent

we'll slowly make our way southward from SF to San Diego

Ryan

woo! you're going to have so much fun

I realized yesterday that when I go itll be january and I'll be freezing

DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ

@Ryan err?? I thought that area was always nice and cool?

@joojaa you ever play with SIPS?

Ryan

San Francisco in January is average of 57. That, a higher altitude, and coming from Florida that's pretty cold for when I want to be hiking in the early morning

joojaa

@DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ i think i used it once a few years back

how do you make your name all caps @DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ?

DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ

2:45 PM

@Ryan lol, come back to Nashville. I will be happy to share my single digital weather with you.

@joojaa I was able to yield the force to do my bidding.

Ryan

@DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ no thanks I was there last January. It was cold

That show is in San Antonio this year. I'll be going straight from Northern Cali to San Antonio for it which will make packing the proper clothing even more fun

Vincent

@Ryan that;s the idea :D

@Darth well... LA is still sweltering now

Ryan

I can't wait to start my travel season again

joojaa

@DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ ah you did it like this Jᴏᴏᴊᴀᴀ

DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ

@joojaa lol

watch it, if you do that it will drive Ryan to go insane ;)

Vincent

2:55 PM

Our sith lord is nigh unpingable now :P

johnp

@Vincent What do you mean? :P

joojaa

Uɴɪᴄᴏᴅᴇ ɪs ᴡᴇɪʀᴅ ɪɴ ᴛʜɪs ᴡᴀʏ. Tᴏsɪ ᴏɴ!

Cool now i can talk the way death does in disc world novels! :)

johnp

i love Death!

i read the first two a couple of months ago

Vincent

@johnp @Darth doesn't workanymore :P

DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ

bwahahahaaa

johnp

3:00 PM

im confused :( am i being slow again? I was talking about the prime numbers you mesged me earlier...

Ryan

so @Vincent any idea about your must-sees within the cities?

Will you make it up to Wine Country (Napa) and the Sequoias? Alcatraz?

johnp

@DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ btw if it wasn't for autosuggest that would be a great idea :P

Vincent

@johnp never seen Contact?

@Ryan Not Napa, but Sonoma

johnp

i havent...was that out recently?

Vincent

Sequoias are one, too. We already booked tickets for an Alcatraz tour.

joojaa

3:08 PM

@johnp i have all of them in my bookshelf

Vincent

Monterey aquarium

johnp

the thing is humans are the real scary aliens :O ...should we ever land elsewhere

joojaa

i love the way trolls turn superconductive in the pork futures warehouse

Vincent

@johnp Somewhat. It might be older than you are :3

Contact (1997 American film)

Contact is a 1997 American science fiction drama film directed by Robert Zemeckis. It is a film adaptation of Carl Sagan's 1985 novel of the same name; Sagan and his wife Ann Druyan wrote the story outline for the film. Jodie Foster portrays the film's protagonist, Dr. Eleanor "Ellie" Arroway, a SETI scientist who finds strong evidence of extraterrestrial life and is chosen to make first contact. The film also stars Matthew McConaughey, James Woods, Tom Skerritt, William Fichtner, John Hurt, Angela Bassett, Jake Busey, and David Morse. Carl Sagan and Ann Druyan began working on the film in 1979...

joojaa

So what happened to the candy swap

johnp

3:09 PM

haha nah i was spawned in '91

but i think there was a similar movie out about a year ago

can we send whiskey @joojaa ? lol ireland isn't known for its candy really. maybe some chocolate

Vincent

@johnp In many SF pieces, including Contact, intelligent species that have very limited ways of communication use the prime numbers in sequence to show that they are intelligent

joojaa

@johnp probably not to Finland

johnp

strange lol

Vincent

Primes are a very basic thing in math, no matter what your counting system

johnp

assuming they have a numerical system

Vincent

3:14 PM

but some rather advanced insight in mathematics--and thus intelligence--is required to understand their relevance

joojaa

whereas irrational numbers depends on your base for example

Ryan

@Vincent nice remember to tell me how Monterey is. Since I'll only have a few days I'm debating between Monterey or San Francisco. Leaning towards just one day in San Francisco and then the rest towards Monterey

Vincent

and they can be transmitted very easily: one pulse, silence, two pulses, silence, three pulses, silence, five pulses, silence, seven pulses...

joojaa

so for example 0.1 is 0.0001100110011001100110011... 0011...

Vincent

on top of that, such a sequence of pulses would not easily occur naturally

especially of it continues into the higher primes

@Ryan will do!

johnp

3:16 PM

from the point of view of nature it would make more sense

Vincent

Entire Monterey Bay seems to be very nice. We have a few days in Santa Cruz and then some more in Monterey proper

Ryan

Santa Cruz is close to where Ill be staying (Santa Clara/San Jose) so Ill definitely drive there. But then I'm thinking it might be cooler to drive down to Monterey and Big Sur

if I go into San Francisco I'd go by public transit thats for sure

Vincent

If you go by train, Salinas is the place to go, it's the main Amtrak hub over there

it's right between SC and Monterey

Ryan

I figure Im going to rent a car since I want to be able to go to some remote areas for photos and hiking

joojaa

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joojaa

3:24 PM

ʕ•́ᴥ•̀ʔっ

sıɥʇ ʇnoqɐ ʍoɥ ɹO

Ⓑⓤⓑⓛⓔⓢ

Vincent

'Joojaa and the wonderful world of ASCII'

johnp

we've made contact with planet joojaa :3

joojaa

its @DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ 's fault

johnp

if ya wan' me u can watch me on yo' videophoone

DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ

@joojaa what I do?

Ryan

3:30 PM

@Vincent sfzc.org looks like a really interesting place to unwind

joojaa

@DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ you reminded me of all the cool stuff in unicode

¡uʍop ǝpısdn ǝʇıɹʍ uɐɔ ı ʍou os. @DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ

Vincent

@Ryan that page won't load for me. What is it?

joojaa

@Vincent not for me either now that you say so

Ryan

it loaded really slow for me

joojaa

does not respond to ping

Ryan

3:37 PM

its San Francisco Zen Center en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Zen_Center

Vincent

lol, probably you need to realx and be patient for their website :P

Ryan

looks like 3 locations now Green Gulch, San Francisco, and Tassajara

Tassajara and Green Gulch look really relaxing. No electronics allowed

Vincent

I'll keep it in mind ;)

Ryan

now I'm looking at hot springs near Big Sur hehe

joojaa

@Vincent @Ryan their primary server is down it gets rerouted if you wait for timeout

DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ

3:43 PM

ok I've seen, I know several answers from multiple account for www.everypixel.com...

this is the latest: graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/27078/…

but there was a guy I thought, too.

@joojaa zentangle?

@Vincent dunno?

@JohnB greetings

hiya

4:09 PM

woohoo! Reports are coming out saying Apple will update its computers before the end of the year

Vincent

ok, I'm off. See ya people in a month or so :D

JohnB

have fun!

Vincent

thanks! :D

Ryan

@Vincent be safe and have fun dude! Ill be watching for IG photos

you better have your Hexes premade :P

Vincent

@Ryan I... won't post :/

exactly because I don't have the hexes premade :P

Ryan

4:11 PM

tsk tsk tsk. Well have fun anyways

Vincent

thanks, will do! :D I will seek out that San Diego rooftop you were talking about

DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ

@Ryan ya, I think you're referring to macOS

Vincent

o/ o\ o/

DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ

@Vincent safe travels. make sure to IG that adventure

Ryan

@DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ nope reports are starting to circulate that new iMac, Macbook, and some sort of 5k Display are coming -- 9to5mac.com/2016/08/29/…

DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ

4:14 PM

eww.. 5k display would mean the thunderbolt display might go on sale again. Might get another one.

Ryan

since I didn't like the 2-in-1 windows I'm probably going to get a new Macbook depending on price but would at least like to hold off and see the specs and price before deciding between it and a Windows based system

johnp

4:54 PM

those places sounds so funny @Ryan lol

Ryan

@johnp ? what places?

johnp

oh dear, i missed Vincent

just reading earlier mesgs...i was in town

always watching....watching and judging... ¬_¬ lol

DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ

5:29 PM

@johnp creepy, lol

johnp

hehe Have you seen this new perfume ad for Kenzo? youtube.com/watch?time_continue=228&v=ABz2m0olmPg

I wonder if it will set a precedent of crazier fragrance ads from now on

Ryan

5:47 PM

Sony just announced a new lens... 50mm Macro. Not a very impressive looking lens

joojaa

6:06 PM

would you guys need a curvature plotter for illustrator?

something like:

johnp

Not sure I'd ever have use for it personally, though it might be useful in designing geometric typefaces

by plotter i assume you're talking about those spline things?

Ryan

That's some quality work on the full page specs

joojaa

@johnp yes it shows if your curve has a good quality. Quite often you have some kinks in curves. Atleast you tend to do so you would be my target audience number one ;)

johnp

6:22 PM

haha i see

I'm not as bad as some people with my curves but I want to be the very best, that no one ever was...

...to catch them is my real test.........pokemon

ahem, yeah go for it! I'm surprised Illustrator doesn't already have this feature

Ryan

well if I see Sony 90mm Macro lens for under the $800 mark I think I'm going to buy it. And while the GBP is weak compared to USD going to get a Formatt-Hitech Filter set

johnp

everyone says sterling has fallen, though google tells me it's much the same against the euro..

Ryan

google.com/search?q=GBP+price+chart&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

for me that shows up compared to USD

johnp

oh just checked....it has fallen. though Amazon doesn't seem to be adjusting ¬_¬

Ryan

in 2005 when I went to Europe the Euro was around 2x the USD and the GBP was even worse

johnp

6:35 PM

yeah, a friend i know says the euro will fail eventually...pity

Ryan

if Trump wins here in the States I imagine a short term fall of the USD. If Hillary wins I doubt much changes

johnp

i dont really follow financial news; i gave up when people started talking about fake money they printed and started buying debts as assets and weirdness

Ryan

so as painful as it is to spend the money right now the filters don't exactly go bad so its a good time for me to bite the bullet sort to speak

johnp

^ "a friend I know"....coffee time for me. where you buying them from

Ryan

Ill have to look around but probably straight from the source - formatt-hitech.com

johnp

6:44 PM

i bought the posca brush markers :( i knew i shouldn't have but i needed retail therapy

the white chalk pencils i got aren't very...white. they have a yellow tinge which is annoying

Ryan

I just need to decide which set of Filters I want. I think the Master Filter Kit, most expensive one, is probably the way to go

because of their Firecrest line their older ones without the Firecrest Material are all on sale and cheap

johnp

i only had a quick look at that link but i saw that they sell a reverse graduated filter for twice the price of a regular one

can't you just flip the normal ones upside down?

Ryan

its different but also i dont think its twice the price. Maybe you looked at Resin one and Firecrest for the other

earthboundlight.com/phototips/reverse-grad-nd.html

that page explains the difference

johnp

possibly. i thought it was a little silly to have a separate one that's reversed

Ryan

6:59 PM

Yeah it wouldn't be my main desire thats for sure

johnp

^i see the error of my ways now...

Ryan

I really dont know how often I'd use filters here in Florida. Its more trying to save and gather stuff for the trips I want to take

I might only get one chance to go to Northern Cali for example. I'd like to go as prepared as possible to get some really great shots for my portfolio

but if I need money I can always turn around and sell the filters and macro lens off after the trips

thats why Im waiting on the lens until I see it just under the average ebay price Ive seen

joojaa

@Ryan polarizer and neutral density filters might get handy in goo light conditions

picturecorrect.com/tips/neutral-density-filter-tips

johnp

i got an ND filter but i havent done a lot of outdoor shots in a long time

Ryan

I have a really cheap Polarizer on my kit lens but I never shoot with my kit lens

johnp

7:10 PM

just read when not to use a polarizer...

coloured reflections like in sunsets...

it wouldnt really have ocurred to me, i only got my one to eliminate glare for artwork shots

digital-photography-school.com/…

Ryan

main reason I'd want a new high end Polarizer would be for Northern Cali where it can be very very hazy

PieBie

@Vincent hope I'm not too late to wish you a great Holiday!

joojaa

7:27 PM

Mystery Skulls Animated - Ghost

►

2 more days till i need to go to work.

johnp

nice animation lol, were you off for long @joojaa ?

joojaa

243 days @johnp

Cai

7:46 PM

Can we just ban questions about things being "pixelated"...

johnp

oh wow lol

Ryan

Should just answer all of them, "Stop pixel peeping creeper! Problem solved!"

Cai

^

johnp

alternatively tell em "your face is pixelated"

-"it's a waste of negative space"....best insult ive ever endured

Cai

lol

Ryan

7:55 PM

So now that I finished my mini tutorial using a black and white I think I might do the same image in color cause color

er retouch that is

hah "I zoomed in really far and my pixels look like pixels!"

halp!

(we're a cruel bunch)

Cai

lol

Ryan

8:16 PM

ooooh Adobe Headquarters is down the road from the place I'll be staying in Cali. I'm so going to geek out and try to get in there

johnp

there's nothing but money in there @Ryan :P

just imagine you there like Stranger Things lol

Ryan

Found a post on their forums saying you really can't visit and there's no retail store at that location

I'll still see what I can do though lol if nothing else Ill selfie myself outside it haha

johnp

8:47 PM

photoshop an adobe staff id lol

use their powers against them >:)

Ryan

@johnp should I make a question, "Is Cyan green or blue?"

johnp

is this one of those weird colour tricks you play on me? :P

i want to say blue but you'll probably say im wrong

Ryan

Cyan is halfway between Blue and Green

johnp

there was some sort of blue included in my turquoise green marker set so i dunno

a-ha.

Ryan

a friend of mine decided Cyan is a Shade of Blue, I argued it was a Tint of Green in response

johnp

8:55 PM

as in the deepest blue

when mixing pigments i would use a cyan for blue rather than a cerulean as it makes the value far too dark

maybe cerulean isn't the correct name...it's in one of the guache sets i have

johnp

11:17 PM

only skim read this @BESW but thought you may find it interesting ello.co/ellowrites/post/utsomsr3swdfnvhf2hmpjw

the author was a pastor so there are possibly other overlooked reasons for his argument lol

i dunno if "priests" feature in any rpg games you play though ive noticed it a lot myself in videogames

BESW

[raises eyebrows] As a Holy/Disc priest who spent most of the Burning Crusade running other people through low-level raids so they could advance to higher raids that I never saw, I consider the frame a generalisation too sweeping to be very useful.

The thing about the support = boring paradigm is that it's an artificial truth established by a lack of imagination on the part of the game designers.

johnp

haha I see :) as for some of the videogame rpgs I've played, pretty much all the priestlike characters have that passivity that's mentioned...and i guess attitudes towards the church seem to prevail through the screen, in my experience at least

BESW

There is a societal tendency to equate service with passivism, but game design is a tool that can be used to challenge that assumption or reinforce it depending on the designer's choices (conscious or unconscious).

johnp

yeah i didnt consider that really, i guess i was thinking in terms of story roles

yeah totally^

BESW

I've seen arguments in, for example, D&D 3.5, that the cleric and druid (as the primary classes with healing powers) are extremely overpowered as a bribe to players to get someone to play the necessary healing role.

johnp

11:25 PM

a Holy/Disc priest sounds magnificent by the way :P

BESW

But in D&D 4e, dedicated healers aren't as necessary AND buff/support characters are awesomely fun to play.

johnp

i get ya

BESW

@johnp In the Burning Crusade, before they trashed the 5SR, going halfway down the Holy and Disc trees, and gearing up properly, yielded a build that could let a priest heal almost indefinitely. Only the very best paladin healers could match me for endurance in a fight that was taking too long, then then only on single targets.

This was VERY useful for someone whose chosen role was training new raiders.

johnp

again i keep bringing up final fantasy (though i love it :3 ) - but they often draw parallels in the story with corruption similar to the catholic church. and interestingly the religious characters in the FF series at least are usually portrayed as white mages

BESW

In most of the tabletop RPGs I play now, the "healer/tank/DPS" paradigm doesn't even exist.

..and combat is only one form of conflict resolution. Social powerhouses are equally empowered.

johnp

11:31 PM

do you think games these days (the digital ones) have a more aggressive inclination compared to tabletop rpgs... i get the impression that teambuilding and comradery is a lot more important with tabletop

BESW

Well, the juggernaut tabletop RPGs are still conflict-centric. But there's a strong move in the wider RPG community toward exploring other story paradigms.

So yeah, I think that guy's observations are confined to a very narrow context that the priesthood doesn't fit into well (role-locked physical combat), so naturally there's going to be a weird disconnect in both design choices and player response.

johnp

yeah true true

BESW

And, well, it's not like the mid-combat-rejuvenation role is locked down to clergy-style professions anyway, so I think conflating player reaction to the role with real-life conceptualisations of the profession is... incomplete, at best.

johnp

maybe he was a bit touchy, though I guess I was interested in my own experience as I wouldnt be that in favour of anything churchy tbh, so I agreed in a sense, though for different reasons

BESW

I've been playing Wizardry 8 lately (a 2001 computer RPG). In it the healing role can be filled by the priest, alchemist (potion-mixing master of the elements), or psionist (master of mental powers).

johnp

11:37 PM

yeah, one thing ive always liked doing is giving, say, a warrior mage-like abilities and creating a jack of all trades type character...though this always leads to downsides too lol

BESW

I guess I'm also coming at that essay from the point of view of someone who has spent his entire life in deeply religious societies.

For me the religious leader is not a passive observer on the sidelines, patronised and ignored.

johnp

ah I see. And yes I agree, though I feel strange giving an opinion on how I think a religious leader should be :P

BESW

When the archdiocese endorses or condemns something, things change. When the local priest refuses to marry a couple, the whole community responds. My faith doesn't have clergy but the role of spiritual mentors and the importance of religious administration is still central to our functioning as a community.

I've been thinking about tabletop RPGs that have philosophies of service and sacrifice as the primary mode of conflict resolution for the player characters, regardless of what kind of conflict modes NPCs are engaging in. It's difficult because, compared to physical conflict, the win conditions and fallout are much more complex and often take much longer to manifest.

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