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4:00 PM
I don't know how scientific that is, though
 
probably not very
 
Who knows.
 
Yeah, sleep is a very misunderstood phenomenon.
 
I've noticed that undersleeping for a while makes me perform worse in the following days too, but maybe that's just placebo or stuff like that.
I'll go check google scholar
 
"There is debate among researchers as to whether the concept of sleep debt describes a measurable phenomenon. The September 2004 issue of the journal Sleep contains dueling editorials from two leading sleep researchers, David F. Dinges and Jim Horne.
A 1997 experiment conducted by psychiatrists at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine suggested that cumulative nocturnal sleep debt affects daytime sleepiness, particularly on the first, second, sixth, and seventh days of sleep restriction."
 
4:03 PM
...it would help if I actually knew how many citations should a good article have
 
@UristMcDorf Well, in that excerpt from Wiki there are 4 citations (I removed them because the citation numbers were meaningless in this room -- you can check them on the original article though)
15 total citations on the relatively short article, with most of them being scholarly sources
 
No, citations as in how many times it's cited by other articles
 
Ah
I see what you mean
 
Scientific articles work slightly differently from other ones
 
Yeah, I know you were talking about how many citations a scholarly article should have
Just giving the number on that wiki as some sort of (possibly, useless) reference point
 
4:06 PM
Well, the most cited one (at 2671 citations since 1999, which is reasonably large I think) talks about the "Impact of sleep debt on metabolic and endocrine function"
And one of its claims is "Sleep restriction resulted in statistically robust cumulative effects on waking functions."
So yeah.
There are about 230k articles mentioning "sleep debt" in total, too.
 
In theory, you should not just look at the number of citations to assess the reliability of a scientific article.
 
I know, Anaphory. The method has the best probability of good assessment / time elapsed out of the quicker ones though.
 
But 2671 is quite a lot. (Some of it might be due to preferential attachment runaway effects, but stll.)
 
4:11 PM
Can't find any meta-analyses on debt specifically though
 
If it's the most cited and reliable paper, won't that necessarily mean that it will continue to be most cited? It's the most popular therefore the most likely to come up in search results? Or is that what you're referring to wrt preferential attachment runaway effects, @Anaphory?
 
Yep.
 
There's a meta-analysis about the correlations between shor sleep duration and obesity. I'll check it out.
 
@UristMcDorf From a non-scientific anecdotal standpoint I can see the correlation.
 
Anecdotes are terrible though.
 
4:14 PM
They are!
 
I learned it the hard way
 
lol
 
With SS13
 
Maybe it's not anecdotal, just a non-scientific observation
Well okay I guess that makes it anecdotal
 
It took me a year and a half to realise that "I sometimes have fun with this game that is unique to the game" does not mean "This game is good", where it's actually "This game is bad, but thanks to its uniqueness it can be fun sometimes"
I'm now working on a magnum opus "inspired-by" game :P
 
4:16 PM
But there is an obvious correlation between being tired, and not wanting to exercise
 
Well, to cite the meta-analysis, "Conclusions: Cross-sectional studies from around the world show a
consistent increased risk of obesity amongst short sleepers in children
and adults. Causal inference is difficult due to lack of control for important
confounders and inconsistent evidence of temporal sequence in
prospective studies."
 
Causality is hard to prove, true, but correlation is easy
You just can't link the correlation to any known cause
 
Yep. That's what they did.
 
Either the correlated effects point at the causality, or there are n underlying causes that all create the same correlative effects, or maybe both.
And that second part is a seriously tough nut to crack
 
Oh, and @Magician, sorry for pinging you so often today, but this post about levels makes me feel warm inside because I've written a small (and probably shitty) article on levels being mostly terrible a while ago
(the article was inspired by the "fact" that level ruined some games I've been hyped for - Witcher 3, Darksiders 2 - and mentions that Legend of Zelda is my favourite RPG series due to its amazing horisontal progression)
Quite, @LegendaryDude. Or the correlation might not mean anything (less pirates correlate to more oil spills in modern history).
Link to the article if anybody's interested. Shameless self-promotion of an overly-extremist view, but eh, I've always been of the opinion that the minority can afford to be loud.
 
4:43 PM
I'd love to make an MMORPG or at least a limited-scope single player RPG with a system like that.
But I don't have the funds or enthusiasts :(
(to convert the latter to funds later)
 
@UristMcDorf EVE Online has a great level-less advancement system
 
It has skills IIRC which isn't that different.
Mght be wrong though
Anyway, gotta go. Be back later.
 
@LegendaryDude Oh, yeah--I'm with you. I enjoy having that ability. I just don't envy the learning of it, at that age =)
(And congrats on 8mo!)
 
@nitsua60 Thanks! And I still resist the urge to go to sleep when I know I have to go to [obligations] in the morning.
@UristMcDorf It is true in some ways that skills equate to gated advancement, in that you can't upgrade your ship's equipment without the appropriate skills. But, skills train based on time and nothing else (there's no XP to grind). You "inject" a skillbook which adds it to your character sheet then add it to your training queue and after n hours it's ready to go. It even trains when you're offline.
You do need to acquire skillbooks to be able to train the skills; some can be purchased, others are rewards from corporations or found during exploration.
 
5:02 PM
pre-populate every mainsite question asked with a default "There's a GURPS book for that" answer, linking to the great big list of GURPS books.
I feel like the linked answer would make a good template: "This was solved pretty comprehensively for GURPS ________. It comes with an Excel spreadsheet, which is pretty necessary given the calculations required. It isn't specifically for ________, but you should be able to join it up to your game."
 
@nitsua60 lol
I haven't touched gurps at all
@nitsua60 you ever do the 5e highlighting one shot?
 
 
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6:07 PM
I was writing an answer and another answer was posted (actually it was the same answer that I had posted from a different browser tab), and an orange banner appeared at the top of the screen saying a new answer had been posted. I don't recall that being the behavior before. Is that new? If it is I like it; much more obvious than the old behavior.
 
6:22 PM
I know before it had red text at the top of your answer, I don't recall a banner though.
Would you still like it if it wasn't new?
 
@GreySage Hah, good point. I guess I should say I like it more than the text at the top of your answer. If you're writing something long you might not see the text there; the orange page banner is obvious no matter where you are on the page.
 
@LegendaryDude been like that for a while
 
Define "a while"
It's possible I just havent been writing answers while other answers have been posted
 
@LegendaryDude 2 years?
 
So havent had the opportunity to see it...
 
6:28 PM
maybe more
 
Well now, I know it hasn't been the orange banner on the page for 2 years
Unless I'm experiencing the Mandela effect and I've accidentally merged into another reality
 
@LegendaryDude maybe
I dunno
 
 
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8:58 PM
@Baskakov_Dmitriy Your generetaion question strikes me as extremely twinkish
Which also highlights the main problem of Tremere, they have a path for everything
A nightmare to properly balance as ST
Which gets generally handled by banning paths due to lost to the ages or only a given number of dots
 
@Ahriman I voted to close that question as unclear. On the face of it I understand the question but it isn't clear to me what the goal is or what specific problem has come about because of this.
 
9:14 PM
I'm trying to think up a frame challenge
the power ow blood potency is in the fact that you can for anight boost yourself by two or three generations
if we go by the question: half a night, boost by 3generations, which dumps him at 5th gen
which more than doubles his blood pool and 3 extra blood per turn to burn
which has combat advantages in case of a sabbat siege / defense
 
 
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11:51 PM
@DForck42 the intention is to run that one some time in February. (Right now I'm swamped playtesting something for which feedback's due at the end of January. Then Feb. 2 I take a group of teenagers to England for five days. After that would come the 5e oneshot.) So right now it's in the brainstorming/skeleton-forming stage.
 
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