@LegendaryDude I think your question makes perfect sense. Though personally I would disagree with you answer to "Can I attune during a long rest?" that prompts it.

@diego Sure, on principal it probably makes no difference whether you attune on a short or long rest, but the rules are pretty clear it takes a short rest and specifically mentions short rests multiple times in the rules for attuning, so I wonder, what is the reasoning for that?

And on the face of it, I could just say you can't short rest because long rests are downtime periods of 8 hours or longer, so if your short rest precedes your long rest then you're really just taking a 9 hour long rest. That also feels like a cop-out.

@LegendaryDude Because I don't see anything in the rules that says when you rest it must be a short or long rest. Did you rest for at least an hour? Then you get the benefits of a short rest. Did you rest for at least 8 hours? Then you get the benefit of a long rest. There is nothing that says the rests can't over lap.

@diego I see them as exclusive, not overlapping, based on the benefits granted by each.

Also the intent of the attunement rules seem to be that you spend an hour with the magic item figuring out how it works, and you would have time during the long rest to do that.

@diego I agree there 100%, which is why I wonder why they so specifically said during a short rest in that section of the rules.

@LegendaryDude I will agree my reading is non-standard. But I would guess most of the time a party can rest for 8 hours they can also rest for 9, and I'm guessing the answer to your question is going to be along the lines of 'there is no rule preventing it', so I don't see a reason to be pedantic and force them to take 2 rests

@diego I suspect that will be the answer too. And if so, I'll have to solve for my unsettled mind some other way. It still doesn't sit right with me for some reason.

@LegendaryDude Take white-out and cover up the word 'short' :)

Ooh lit beta

Responding to a questiona bout reading order and answering with a website that lists everything of that universe is not an answer

cuz' we don't want to lead people away from the site...

still grokking that

@Ahriman Link-answers are terrible for loads of reasons, that being just one of them.

Another is, if the link stops working, the answer stops working.

but it lists everything

in a fancy dynamic filter table

you can ditch whateer you want

And then that page stops working some day

And now the answer is useless

or I can copy paste from that site

That is typically the preferred method when including a link as an answer

Include a link but also include the relevant content from the link when allowable

Is somebody around with high stack-fu?

trying to get teh search to cough up allplaces where i left a comment

@Ahriman All comments on ALL Stacks, or just on RPG.SE?

(You can't search comments, but you do have a listing of them.)

@BESW Thank you!

@Ahriman Note that deleted/cleaned up comments won't be there.

So if you're looking for a question or answer you know you commented on but that comment no longer exists, you won't find it that way.

NP, just want the ones that are around

I might get round to bouldering four times this week, due to lack of gaming evenings.

"Bouldering" may or may not be a euphemism.

(Possibly unfortunately), it is not.

@BESW Oooh, comics! Maybe I should throw some money at them, which is the highest tier you know something excellent in?

@Anaphory I can personally vouch for content up to $20, and I've heard good things about the $25 physical book.

Okay, sounds like I'll drop some money on comics, which is a thing I had been wanting to try for some time.

Image Comics are generally pretty sound quality-wise, it's just a matter of whether it tickles a particular reader.

I've also had good experiences with Boom! Studios.

I have wandered into the comic book store in town twice now, but I never knew where to start, or even what to ask for.

Generally... not Marvel or DC, sadly, with some very small exceptions.

But I'd be happy to talk with you about what you're interested in and give you some pointers.

If you're interested mostly in superheroes, or touring the breadth of the medium. Contemporary series or influential staples of the past.

Just some fun reading, or getting a sense of the history of the medium, or looking for insightful paradigm-shifting stories.

I've noticed that Archaia (an imprint of Boom!) is often on the spines of some very good authors/works.

I've enjoyed Boom!'s Lumberjanes and Goldie Vance.

Or as I always say, you can't go wrong with Batman.

Lumberjanes is sort of if Girl Scouts from Steven Universe had a camp outside Gravity Falls.

I mean, unless it's a bad Batman series. :P But that's comic books for ya.

Goldie Vance is a '60s "detective girl" series about a teenager who works in her dad's hotel.

@SevenSidedDie They are the ones who published Mouse Guard, aren't they?

Yup.

I don't really care for superheroes.

Non-individual webcomics and other comics I have read and liked are Questionable Content, Schlock Mercenary (latter bits more than earlier bits), the bits of Finder I saw somewhere online, Digger, Atomic Robo, Mouse Guard, Gunnerkrigg Court, the Firefly comics, Dr. McNinja until some time ago. There may be some others I read regularly, but would not base recommendations on.

Hrmm. So, silly dramatic relationshippy with a dash of sciency.

Dominic Deegan, Errant Story

Y the last man, Unwritten, WE3, Blacksad

@Anaphory a lot of those are one my list too XD

Mouse Guard isn't but it has been recommended to me before, at least a couple times I think

@BESW Sounds good to me. With a slightly silly to very realistic drawing style.

I see a less silly, “speculative anthropology” category in there (for lack of a better term), with Digger and Mouse Guard. Along those lines I recently read and enjoyed the first book of Vattu, also published online.

@SevenSidedDie Yes! Also quite a few of the others.

I like the AI-thropology in QC, Finder is “Anthropological SciFi”, I think, and it does come up in some of the others as well.

@Anaphory I haven't read anything else by Evan Dahm yet, but a close comic artist friend speaks of his work glowingly and tells me often I should read it. :)

@Anaphory Yeah, I suppose you're right! Even the silliest in that list (Schlock Mercenary) has a heavy speculative anthropology component.

@SevenSidedDie That looks like I should not start reading it today, I might not finish and sleep before tomorrow.

@SevenSidedDie Yep!

So yeah, good call. :)

Ooh, "speculative anthropology." I like that.

So do I, apparently :D

@LegendaryDude I'm curious why you think they can't...?

I'll go through my comic concepts with that in mind.

@diego They can't overlap--I'm pretty sure Sage Advice (the article) clears that up.

@Anaphory Nice! It was warm enough over here today that I went out--just for twenty minutes, though =(

The Pack (werewolves in historical African nations) and Ki Khanga (space opera using African instead of Western aesthetics as the base culture) immediately come to mind. Paper Girls has some interesting future-extrapolated-from-the-present cultural anthropology.

@nitsua60 Oh, I still haven't tried actual boulders, still only climbing indoors on artificial things on walls.

@nitsua60 I don't have a specific reason why they can't. It just feels odd to me. I need validation I guess?

@BESW What of the stuff in the bundle should I start with?

Injection (in the Bundle) deals with artificial intelligence.

Well, sort of. There's magic in there too.

@nitsua60 It feels odd to me because short rests are for recovering after an encounter and long rests are for recovering your resources. In that situation, they hadn't even had another encounter since their last short rest... they just wanted to use the darn magic sword.

I'm unfamiliar with most of the Bundle.

@Anaphory Ah, gotcha. For me it's a 90-min drive to the nearest gym, but a five-minute walk to passable bouldering and top-roping.

@nitsua60 And that in itself feels busted to me. Why so arbitrarily limit attunement that way?

@LegendaryDude So you can't pass it back and forth during combat.

Saga, for sure.

@BESW That's fine, I just need a place to start.

Rat Queens isn't speculative anthropology, but it's a D&D-like romp.

@nitsua60 Right, but why then explicitly say attunement can happen during a short rest? Why not just say during downtime or something to that effect

@LegendaryDude I guess I come at it from the other direction: a short rest is the description, mechanically, of what has already happened when, narratively, one takes an hour off. Ditto long rest. Then it gets all "pay no attention to the mechanics behind the story" when you hit hour 8 of rest, and suddenly that first hour of rest retroactively doesn't count as a short rest.

Maybe Wicked+Divine.

@LegendaryDude Shorthand/simplicity?

Then you'd have to separately define what "quality" of downtime suffices for attunement?

To that I say, Wouldn't "rest" be shorter than "short rest" or "long rest"?

@GreySage [wave]

(Why not just hijack the definition that's already there in "short rest")

I guess I have to chock it up to just poor writing? I have no other feelings about this except that it feels like it's written that way for some reason but that reason is never made apparent.

Maybe it's something that came out during editing, or who knows what else.

Gotta run--dinner calls. But ping me any time--resting is one of those places I think definitely is wonkiest in 5e, and I'm always interested in hearing others' takes.

@BESW [waveback]

@BESW Saga was the one where scrolling through the covers and tiers I thought “Maybe I should go all in, that looks interesting”.

(Didn't read the name then, but now I recognize it by the download.)

It's not my favourite Image Comics print, but it's their flagship series and a lot of folks are super into it.

@BESW that's reasonable; the authors made it deliberately distasteful in various ways so that it would never become a movie, or so i've heard

@doppelgreener Oh, that's not why it's not my favourite. It just doesn't really compel me.

@BESW fair enough :D

@DForck42 Yes, Greasemonkey is still around. Last updated in August. There's also a greasemonkey-like extension called Stylish that only does CSS, which I think may be a better option for you.

Hm, so far I'm not too intriqued by Saga or Injection. I think there is a type of bleak and noir I can read, but I don't know what else it does need to work for me.

Hm, so far not a thing I dig in the ones I looked into.