TRPG General Chat

Tritium21

2:01 AM

it was dead today. I dont even have to scroll to get to my last message, let alone go to the transcript....

BESW

2:29 AM

[sigh] I have this horrible love/hate relationship with light-form games.

user61230

@BESW Oh?

BESW

I like prep, but I also like not having to do prep. I like being able to dash off a story in a single night, but I also like sprawling epic campaigns. I like the elegance of minimal systems, but I also like delving deep into well-designed crunch.

user61230

Is there a middle ground?

BESW

...Fate?

user61230

Does Fate really allow you to improv through games, though?

user61230

2:35 AM

I mean, in some respects yes, but...

doppelgreener

@Emrakul What d'you mean by the phrase "improv through games"?

user61230

@doppelgreener That the GM doesn't come in with a set plan, but creates the world and its responses, characters, etc. on the fly

user61230

It's the extreme end of not having to do prep

doppelgreener

Yes

My first game of Fate was no-prep. My second, I sat down and my characters and I spent some time talking about the world and our characters.

Then we made our characters, decided what we wanted to do for the first session, and launched into it, discovering things about our world on the fly.

We started from some basic agreed premises, like the fact the arcane was incurring on our world, and that they were there to handle it as part of a Hellsing-like organisation. Then I came up with a werewolf, we discovered that there was another organisation like ours but using the arcane to fight the arcane, and so on.

Joshua Aslan Smith

hello late night chat peeps

Magician

2:41 AM

Good morning!

user61230

Good evening!

BESW

This is the whole point of how I use the Tribute To The Dragon template.

Joshua Aslan Smith

yeah fate and DW are both systems you can 100 percent improv in

of course DW benefits when you actually spend some time planning working on fronts

doppelgreener

We found out there's a neighbouring country called Schvitzvalt, capital Auchensviel, which is sort of an amalgamation of a few European countries plus Russia. It's cold and freezing but it has an annual Bratswurstag, aka the Sausage Fest, which everyone loves.

The players and I worked out a mission to head to a ruined but definitely haunted castle near Auchensviel, so the players are going to go have some fun at the sausage fest and then go hunt down whatever's in that castle.

When they do, we'll find out what it actually is.

Joshua Aslan Smith

@doppelgreener that just made me think of the super creepy fake european countries from Welcome to NightVale's Cecil's european backpacking trip during his college days

doppelgreener

2:43 AM

etc etc lots of improv, I didn't know a thing about any of this before the players and I started coming up with it during play.

@JoshuaAslanSmith I haven't listened to those episodes yet! That sounds like fun.

BESW

@doppelgreener Here's how my brain does RPG improv: It went "Everyone? Really?" and immediately started thinking about the vegan werewolves who spend every year plotting to replace the Bratswurstag sausages with certified-organic soy-based equivalents.

doppelgreener

Oh wait, I remember some of it. 8) Like where he'd wake up in a strange location with no memory of where he was?

@BESW Hahaha!

Joshua Aslan Smith

yeah

lol

doppelgreener

@BESW Somewhere in there you have a mental process I'd like to osmose...

BESW

@doppelgreener First, watch all three seasons of Big Wolf on Campus at least twice.

doppelgreener

2:54 AM

@BESW @_@ That's a solid week of study

BESW

In all seriousness, though, this is how it went: An absolute statement was made. I instinctively latched onto that, because a challenge to the perceived normal is a super-easy source of drama. Who would hate a Sausage Fest? The laziest answer is: straw vegans. Who are they aside from vegans? One of the only groups your synopsis identified was werewolves, and that's yet again a challenge to the perceived normal, so vegan werewolves it is!
What is their goal? To undermine the Sausage Fest. I could have them attack it outright, but subversive "discover the hidden plot" stories provide more var…

Most of that wasn't actively conscious: my brain actually jumped straight from "Who hates Sausage Fest?" to "vegans;" "werewolf vegans are funny;" "vegan sausages are a good joke."

doppelgreener

XD

thank you :D

BESW

(And at the beginning I had to quash the desire to make the villains Tibetan monks, because of the only Dilbert comic strip gag I find genuinely hilarious.)

doppelgreener

@BESW Which one is that?

BESW

But making contemporary Tibetan monks villains is tacky, at best.

Joshua Aslan Smith

3:05 AM

lol

@besw why not batman mystic Tibetan ninjas?

BESW

Well, the other reason not to use Tibetan monks of any sort is that they don't have a clear place in my limited understanding of your setting's mythos--and werewolves do.

Joshua Aslan Smith

hah thats a great point

BESW

Economy of world: if something exists which works, don't invent something new to do the same job.

Joshua Aslan Smith

oh man this song, preview of Beyond Earth's soundtrack love the orchestra with the synth

►

@BESW very true, stressed by my profs

BESW

It's something D&D teaches us not to do, because of its kitchen-sink-fantasy, gotta-write-all-the-expansion-books, you-can-do-anything context.

D&D has the exact opposite of setting design economy.

doppelgreener

3:10 AM

@BESW okay that was pretty funny

@BESW Tibetan monks likely won't fit. But some strange organisation of monks might crop up at some point.

Joshua Aslan Smith

just dont do anime evil catholic church

probably the most boring thing ever

BESW

@doppelgreener In Big Wolf on Campus, there is an Evil Werewolf Syndicate, which is every Evil Wears Black Robes And Sits At A Board Room Table In A Castle With Tapestries And Torches trope ever all rolled into one.

Joshua Aslan Smith

I loved Big Wolf on Campus

doppelgreener

@BESW oh man. that sounds great.

do they also have conversations about bureaucratic matters and how the clean-up crew hasn't been doing its job and then they get into an argument over whether Geoff would do a better job leading it and over whether to replace the current leader with him and it culminates in both the current leader of the clean-up crew and Geoff getting assassinated?

BESW

We didn't spend quite that much time with them (they show up for maybe five episodes out of three seasons?) but.... something like that, yes.

BWoC is mostly episodic, with occasional "previous villain returns" continuity.

The basic premise is: A high school jock gets bitten by a werewolf, but for reasons never explained he doesn't turn evil like most werewolves. A geeky goth classmate discovers his secret, they become Unlikely Friends and every week they have to save the town from a threat reminiscent of a famous horror/fantasy work.

It's pretty much a kid's primer on the most famous horror concepts and tropes, presented in a wry wink-to-the-camera comedy package that mostly keeps it from being truly terrifying... but only because we know it's a show, not because they pull their punches with the horror elements.

doppelgreener

3:23 AM

Are you suggesting they break the 4th wall occasionally by acknowledging the audience?

BESW

(And they do a good job of winding the horror references into the show's mythos: you never have to know the horror film/novel they're riffing on in order to "get it.")

@doppelgreener They sometimes do break the 4th wall, but more than that they have a lot of conventions which just... lean heavily on it.

doppelgreener

@BESW nice. ;) that sounds like a good way to keep it from being terrifying

that would be enough to keep a person from becoming too immersed

BESW

"Tommy! [Scenario of the week] reminds me of [classic film] with fading star [name here]."
"What happened?"
"It was supposed to revive his flagging career, but the film bombed and he retired soon after."
"In the movie, Merton. What happened in the movie?"
"Oh! [Describes how the monster was defeated, which they will then try to do themselves]."

doppelgreener

nice xD

genre savvy sidekick too, I like it

BESW

Yeah, the werewolf (Tommy) is basically ignorant of the horror tropes he's facing every week, so the goth (Merton) is his guide to the fantasy world they now inhabit.

Miniman

4:06 AM

@rpg.se So bored today...

doppelgreener

5:26 AM

@Miniman Acquire NetHack

Play and die \o/

Be accosted by security personnel when they inquire about this suspiciously named EXE on your computer!

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Miniman

@doppelgreener Yeah, I think I'd get 'what the hell are you doing' from random co-workers long before that became an issue

doppelgreener

@Miniman aha, so you are bored at work, this is an even better challenge

Miniman

@doppelgreener Yep, I don't think I'm capable of being bored with access to my videogame collection

doppelgreener

5:44 AM

From personal experience I highly recommend having a project that you can devote some brainpower to during the day :)

(for me at the moment that's Fate Looms, and the Fate Hack & Slash experiment)

Adeptus

6:23 AM

@doppelgreener Looms as a noun, or verb? A weaving apparatus, or standing over threateningly?

doppelgreener

@Adeptus Yes. Both. 8)

The aim is to make a system for playing Fate games online. There isn't really something for that at the moment AFAIK.

Currently I'm studying Ruby so that I can use it to build the server.

The name presents me with the opportunity to call the group and game you create for playing together along a storyline a loom.

I may not choose to take that opportunity in favour of just calling it a Game or a Group or some other more commonly used term.

(I may also find a more punchy name by the time the site's out too! Or I may be totally happy releasing it with this one.)

(* using Ruby to build the server may be a mistake. For now, it is a fun experiment. I may switch to something like C# and ASP.NET down the line depending on the needs of the system. Or IronRuby with ASP.NET and MVC6 or whatever they're up to at that point.)

Metool

7:15 AM

@okeefe Go here and scroll down to Ignored Tags, where you can input the name of a tag you wish to not view.

Mourdos

8:33 AM

Morning all

doppelgreener

8:58 AM

@Mourdos morning!

dammit

that armored kilt thing is one hell of a puzzle

mithral armor gets treated as one category lighter for various purposes

but it doesn't actually become lighter

a mithral breastplate is still medium, and requires medium proficiency, but is light for the purpose of all limitations imposed

specifically it's "one lighter than normal"

so when you add a kilt to it

normally a chain shirt is considered light, and becomes light

but what's the 'normally'? is it normally for that shirt, or for chain shirts in general?

if it's normally for chain shirts in general, then it's treated as lighter than normal chain shirts, i.e. light

if 'normally' is the chain shirt itself, then normally it's now considered medium, so the mithral kicks in and means it's considered light

i'd consider it to the first one, so it becomes treated as medium. but i don't know of a basis I can point to.

Mourdos

I would handle that one as order of precedent.

Mithral Breastplate is medium, and counts as light for anything but armor proficiency. Armored Kilt adds 1 weight category to the set, regardless of if it is mithral or not. Mithral doesn't apply when using the Armored Kilt in the alternative method. So Breastplate is heavy (medium for all but proficiency). Simples

If anything (and not RAW) I would require the kilt to be mithral to consider the overall armor to be mithral

doppelgreener

9:23 AM

Sounds right.

So let's translate that:

Chain shirt is light, and counts as light for anything but armor proficiency. Armored kilt adds 1 weight category to the set, regardless of it is mithral or not. Mithral doesn't apply when using the armored kilt in the alternative method. So light armor is medium (light for all but proficiency). Simples.

@Mourdos kilt's mithralness doesn't factor into this matter though; it's just an accessory that modifies your armor.

Mourdos

Yep

doppelgreener

Naturally it'd have to be mithral for you to say "all the things I am wearing are mithral" but that doesn't make much difference.

@Mourdos Do you want to answer with that?

lisardggY

The logic seems sound to me, but only as much as it is logical, not necessarily RAW-logical.

Mourdos

You already answers practically the same thing and he didn't like it.

He wants RAW and he wants logic.

lisardggY

Kilt raises the weight category, mithril doesn't lower it, it only lets it be treated as lower. Is that right?

Mourdos

9:25 AM

I'll answer it, see what happens.

doppelgreener

@Mourdos Cool beans. I'd upvote it. It's worth exploring both cases.

Mourdos

@doppelgreener do you know of anything that treats armor as one category heavier?

doppelgreener

@Mourdos not off hand :(

also, full mithral quote:

> Most mithral armors are one category lighter than normal for purposes of movement and other limitations. Heavy armors are treated as medium, and medium armors are treated as light, but light armors are still treated as light. This decrease does not apply to proficiency in wearing the armor. A character wearing mithral full plate must be proficient in wearing heavy armor to avoid adding the armor's check penalty to all his attack rolls and skill checks that involve moving.

Emphasis added.

Mourdos

When you add a kilt to armor, do you require the proficiency of the heavier armor type?

Looks like it

doppelgreener

Mithral doesn't make medium armor light. Medium armor made with mithral remains medium, hence the proficiency requirement. The limitations that come with medium armor just get eased.

> When you add an armored kilt to a suit of light armor, the set counts as medium armor. Likewise, a kilt and medium armor counts as heavy armor. Adding an armored kilt to heavy armor has no effect.

Since light armor "counts as medium armor" I'd say yes.

Mourdos

9:36 AM

Now I just need the quote that says players apply modifiers in the order they deem best for them

lisardggY

@Mourdos I don't think it's relevant. These aren't modifiers - one modifies the armor's weight category, one doesn't.

And the full mithral quote that doppelgreener brought makes it clear that regardless of order, mithral still can't make light armor sub-light.

Mourdos

Actually, it does matter.

A Mithral chain shirt with a kilt is still light

lisardggY

It's medium, but treated as light for anything but proficiencies, if I understand correctly.

Mourdos

yes

lisardggY

In which case would the order matter, then?

Mourdos

9:41 AM

If the Mithral applied first, because you could argue that the armor was made first (with the mithral property) and thus is light

Then the kilt makes it medium

lisardggY

Heavy would stay heavy but treated as medium. Medium would be heavy but treated as medium. Light would be medium but treated as light.

Mourdos

Besides, extra clarification and supporting rules never hurts

lisardggY

The OP's being annoying, isn't he?

"I already know the answer, but I figured I'd ask so you all can tell me I'm right, or else your thinking is simplistic and flawed".

BESW

...it is so nice when my clients "ooh" when I show them my work.

lisardggY

Always a nice reaction. :)

Mourdos

9:46 AM

@lisardggY yes

BESW

...by a strict reading, mithril kilted armor is treated as both one category lighter AND one category heavier.

A kilted mithril breastplate is medium armor which is treated as light armor and heavy armor.

trogdor

that is plain silly

BESW

Welcome to 3.PF, where quantum superposition exists in the macro world and isn't collapsed by observation.

...I am tempted to make that an answer.

Mourdos

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A: What effect does combining Mithril and an Armored Kilt have on armor category?

You apply both. Mithral Chain shirt would be Medium (treated as light for all but proficiency) The relevant parts of Mithral are: Heavy armors are treated as medium, and medium armors are treated as light, but light armors are still treated as light. This decrease does not apply to proficien...

I want to comment and say that we don't really trust paizo to decide who your ally is.

We had a wonderful instance of that in the Mythic rules

There is a mythic talent that states whenever you score a critical hit, your allies get to make an attack of oppertunity.

Combine this with a feat for unlimited combat reflexes, and another for automatically critting on a threat (Both mythic feats)

and a hig hcrit range weapon

15+ = crit and new attack, as you are your own ally.

If your DM lets keen and improved crit stack (because some do), then its an insane 12+, and you go down the MWF/TWF route

BESW

10:14 AM

I suggest we stop trying to engage him in comments; he's clearly not interested in discourse.

I've flagged for mod attention.

Mourdos

@lisardggY I would personally use the words pedantic crapbag. At least in this chat.

I agree @BESW its feeling like a troll, a troll with an intersting question, but a bad personalty none the less.

Do you disapprove of me proposing an edit to the question that removes his own rambling on the answer?

BESW

Wait for this to cool down.

Mourdos

*from the question

Okay

doppelgreener

@BESW Was there more engagement in the answers?

Mourdos

Not really

doppelgreener

10:26 AM

Or was it just the him-and-me thing.

Mourdos

In the question there was lots

He replied to MrLemon's answer

BESW

And how!

doppelgreener

@BESW It's medium armor which counts as heavy armor and is treated as one lighter than normal. Now, if the "lighter than normal" means the medium armor, it's now treated as light; if it's the heavy armor, it goes back to medium.

BESW

My fascination--which is totally over-reading because it's obvious they just didn't think about their word choice carefully--is with the nuance between "counts as" and "treated as."

doppelgreener

Yes.

That is a thing.

What are your thoughts on the nuance, breaking it down?

BESW

10:29 AM

Everyone seems to be reading their own semiotic meaning into those phrases which on the surface are functionally identical.

doppelgreener

I'm seriously tempted to leave that quantum superposition answer myself.

Phil

By golly the guy asking the kilt question has an attitude on them!

lisardggY

Yes, yes he does.

BESW

But 3.PF fetishises semantics, so the difference between the wording of the two features is emphasised not because there's an obviously meaningful difference but because readers of that text have been trained that difference is itself a source of meaning.

@Phil I've flagged for mod attention and disengaged.

Phil

a good plan

BESW

10:32 AM

He's having a lot of trouble understanding the fundamental Q&A nature of SE. So I checked, and he didn't have the Informed badge yet, which is why I left my one comment.

I've promised myself not to re-engage until he has the Informed badge.

Mourdos

@doppelgreener That Paizo cann'y be trusted to write rules :-)

Arrgh. I'm turning into Lord_Garath.

BESW

@Mourdos Are screaming shadows bleeding from your eyes?

Mourdos

Not quite yet.

BESW

Then the condition is probably manageable with occupational therapy. Play some Roll For Shoes at least once a month and if your toenails start telling you to set game devs on fire, seek professional help ASAP.

Mourdos

I would love to play some RFS.

Also, I'm getting slightly addected to a game... that I can't seem to find. Found: factorio.com

doppelgreener

10:43 AM

Oh my god

Is this a conveyor belt game?

Mourdos

Yes

Yes it is

trogdor

lol

doppelgreener

Oh wow.

....

If I click that download button this could be dangerous.

trogdor

I have a feeling I would get addicted to that if I played it

Mourdos

I got decision paralysis. I tried to jump my tech to delivery robots, so that I didn' need as many convayers. Was a mistake

doppelgreener

10:51 AM

@BESW bear in mind 'informed' means 'read the entire tour page'. Does not trigger if it doesn't register you as having reached the end for whatever reason.

Mourdos

You need coal to power boilers and furnaces. Boliers power the steam engine which provides electricity for the mining tools and the robotic arms that move things around.

@doppelgreener What programming languages do you know?

I know you were using code academy for javascript recently. Just a hobby?

doppelgreener

@Mourdos no, that was for Ruby

@Mourdos I know C#, JavaScript and CoffeeScript best. (Though coffeescript is a language that compiles into JS.) In some capacity I know Python, Java, C++ and Visual Basic, though I haven't worked with them enough in a professional capacity to say I know them well.

I'm studying Ruby at the moment because I intend to build a web server with it

Programming is part of my profession, and one of my hobbies.

Mourdos

Same here. Java programmer by trade, but I can deal with a few other langauges.

I've recently run into a problem in a c# program and I have no idea how it is working (and the developer who built it was frankly incompetent).

I have a horrible feeling he used MemoryBarrier to try and sychronise multithreading.

MemoeryBarrier is all over the place and the program doesn't deal with direct memory access :-(

doppelgreener

Oh nuts.

MemoryBarrier is not something I've used before.

@Mourdos A suggested edit on your answer: rpg.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/11384

Mourdos

My proposal is to rewrite it, stop using the MSMQ as a list, and use java (because its now our main language)

doppelgreener

11:03 AM

@Mourdos "use the language everyone here is good at" is probably a decent reason to rewrite

Mourdos

"@Mourdos Thank you very much. While you answer is somewhat confusing and not exactly to the point of what I am asking the link to the source that you posted confirms that Chain Shirt(Light)+Kilt=Medium, Kilted Chain Shirt(medium)+mithril= Light."

Is my answer actually confusing?

BESW

Nooo?

He's got some ideas about the criteria on which answers should be based, and a very narrow window they should address, which he seems to think he's explained clearly despite feeling the need to re-clarify it every time someone posts an answer that he thinks missed the crux of his issue.

At this point, it's just looking like an ownership issue combined with treating SE like a forum.

I suggest you just let the whole thing cool down and not engage --even by editing your own answer-- for at least a couple hours.

There's so much attention focused on that page he's gotten used to immediate turnaround--notice that when MrLemon didn't answer a comment in 15 minutes, he put another "are you there?" comment.

Immediate turnaround makes it feel more like SE is a format which can support discussion.

If a user isn't going to put in the basic effort to understand how SE works, we shouldn't be picking up his slack.

MrLemon

I was at lunch, actually :)

Even though I posted an answer, I feel that the question was worded so narrowly that it was basically "I think X. Please tell me it's X"

BESW

11:18 AM

Oh, yeah. I don't think it really merited the effort and attention it garnered, considering the user's obvious lack of desire to participate in improving it.

lisardggY

@MrLemon Also, did you notice your new job as emissary to Paizo?

BESW

Aye, that was the "Okay, I'm not being uncharitable, he's really not interested in making this a collaboration" moment.

MrLemon

@lisardggY as the job only entails looking for keywords in the James Jacobs AMA, I'm fine with it :)

BESW

Faith in new citizens restored.

doppelgreener

@MrLemon A year or two ago, we had someone who did that kinda thing: They asked a question about how something worked, and left an answer suggesting it worked one way. Another answer arrived which demonstrated pretty conclusively it worked a different way. The person suddenly got extremely argumentative and hostile, especially when we started downvoting their answer as incorrect.

BESW

11:28 AM

This person has cleverly bypassed the last bit by restricting their answer to comments and the question.

doppelgreener

It became clear they were just here to prove their point to themselves / someone else, and that they were really not interested in actually receiving a correct answer.

The entire thing just got mod-deleted, and we were better off for it.

@BESW Yes, I think that's good. It makes it a sort of "I think X is the case, is that right?" question, which is fine, except it becomes toxic when the asker has a vested interest in whichever answer proves X, and they get argumentative against each answer that disagrees or claim those answers are invalid.

BESW

It's not enough for a full answer to this question, but if/when the guy comes to chat I think he'd be interested in the Fate time ladder.

MrLemon

@BESW what a nice first time question

The guy now has enough rep

Let's see if he'll show up :)

Sidenote: RPG.SE has luxury problems with first time posters, compared to, let's say... Arqade: gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/188969/…

lisardggY

@MrLemon I like "wich mobs are the most looting". It's not quite "Somebody set up us the bomb", but it's trying.

It's easy to forget that there can be people who are first time users on the site, but are still perfectly capable of expressing themselves in writing like coherent human beings. :)

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MrLemon

All-right, I need to head out of my office for some time, see you later

BESW

11:42 AM

I had a great experience here as a first-time poster, but it's because I came in to answer a really easy question that most people were skipping over because it wasn't of general interest.

doppelgreener

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lisardggY

@doppelgreener wich!

@doppelgreener I have a similar problem whenever I try to recall lines from All Your Base. My memory automatically fixes some of the grammar. :)

doppelgreener

@lisardggY i have no idea what you mean

>_> <_< >_>

Mourdos

Worldbuilding has had two odd first time users.

lisardggY

Looking at my posting history, I see my first answers are properly written, but perhaps missing the spirit of the site a bit. Especially my second one, which doesn't really answer the given question but suggests an alternative, unprompted.

Mourdos

11:47 AM

My favorite was "Am I obsessed by this cat I just found?" and then described how they found a kitten, found they liked it (but didn't like cats normally) and then said it went missing and the ywere sad but happy once they found it again.

I wanted it preserved as historic. First blatantly off topic question :-)

doppelgreener

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A: What is the name of this specific, online DM (4e) tool?

I'm pretty sure you're describing power2ool.com. Great little tool for making my unusual DM whims look official. Sometimes it'll get stuck on a "Connecting Socket" load screen. This means your adblocking or scriptblocking features are stopping it from connecting (easy to fix) or your modem/ISP s...

Mourdos

And then more recently we had someoen ask us how you would set up a farm.

doppelgreener

I am pretty glad you provided that answer.

'cause I got to use that tool. Also, because I met you!

lisardggY

@Mourdos someone set up us the farm?

Mourdos

yes

BESW

11:49 AM

You can thank Trogdor's brother for that; he popped into our Skype chat one day and said "BESW! Apparently Stack Exchange has an RPG site, and I think you use this program. Go forth and answer."

Mourdos

Also: My first ever post on RPG.SE rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/45596/… Also my highest rep scoring.

lisardggY

My first posts's probably a bit more conversational than I would write now, but not too bad. rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/12607/…

Mourdos

Apparently not. Apparently it was this: rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/44775/…

doppelgreener

Firefox Aurora has entered a release where it crashes some of the time when I click a link.

Ah, the price of getting new features sooner.

@BESW I am thankful to Trogdor's brother for this. I also remember his reaction to my presence here!

Mourdos

@mxyzplk Yo

doppelgreener

11:55 AM

It seems my first answer here was entirely unspectacular:

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A: Does the half-level modifier contribute to damage?

No, it doesn't mean that. In cases like the melee or ranged attacks, your relevant ability modifier (strength or dexterity) gets added to the damage, but there is no mention of your half-level. There doesn't really need to be either since as you're going along, you'll be finding more powerful we...

Mourdos

This room seems crowded today :-)

Tritium21

Ever type something in the completely wrong chat?

Joshua Aslan Smith

good to see the slew of bad questions got closed

Mourdos

Yes. What did you type :P

trogdor

I certainly have

Tritium21

12:01 PM

@Mourdos You don't want to know

@JoshuaAslanSmith What questions?

Mourdos

I just got a downvote. Would be nice to know why rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/49866/… Unless it was MrLemon, but I would have expected that a while ago

mxyzplk just trigged "A Guest" again :-)

BESW

On that question, could be anything.

doppelgreener

@Mourdos ... this may not go well for him.

Mourdos

I'm waiting with popcorn.

doppelgreener

this is that point where "stop disagreeing with me" is starting to really cause problems.

and he just chose to target a mod with that.

Mourdos

12:08 PM

A mod who does not mince words :-)

doppelgreener

@Mourdos well, all the mods are equally hammery when it's called for.

just... less noticably so when you get to Brian and C.Ross

BESW

You may not have seen Brian when he decides someone needs a good solid thrashing.

MrLemon

@Mourdos wasn't me. I try not to downvote decent answers just because I disagree.

Mourdos

I didn't expect it to be.

I'm still looking for a version of the rules the states players choose orders of applying things.

I know it existed in 3.5

Aaron

Morning

BESW

12:11 PM

[wave]

Mourdos

@MrLemon The reason I don't agree with your answer is mostly because I think that while a suit of armor has to be constructed from armor to gain the rules, the rules are persistant, rather than applied at creation.

Also, because armor proficiency is abstract and strange.

BESW

[philosoraptor] What isn't abstract and strange? [/philosoraptor]

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Mourdos

Personally, I think that if you want the mithral bonus, the kilt should be made of Mithral. SKR made reference to armor + kilt being treated as one set of armor.

Also, spending 1000 gold on a mithril light armor when you don't need the mithral doesn't seem to be a problem for +1 AC :P

MrLemon

It's a perfectly valid view, I agree, but it's not exactly RAW imo. (Since it also doesn't break anything, I think I'd actually houserule it to be like what you said.)

Joshua Aslan Smith

@Tritium21 if you look at most recent questions the 3 or so in the top ten put on hold

Tritium21

12:19 PM

those have been held for a while, iirc

Mourdos

I might as well ask. Anybody a Java/Javascript/T-SQL/Sybase developers looking for work in the Watford/London (UK) area? /recruitment

doppelgreener

Here, have some excellent vinyl dolls of the Mighty Boosh and Christopher Walken and other things

BESW

@doppelgreener ...and it's totally obvious exactly which appearance the Walken doll is based on. Wow.

doppelgreener

@BESW YES.

I love that bit.

BESW

For the uninitiated:

►

Aaron

12:26 PM

@BESW Is that a clip or a music video?

BESW

It's a music video.

Aaron

Cool. I put it on my watch later list

doppelgreener

@BESW Aaaahh, it is good to have seen this again.

BESW

It's one of those "Watch again every now and then" things.

doppelgreener

so is this!

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(and there's an extended live version which is glorious, but I recommend the animated short version above first!)

BESW

12:38 PM

I just saw the live version earlier today, hadn't heard of either version before.

It is bizarre.

doppelgreener

It is!

It's beautiful.

mxyzplk

@Mourdos howdy

Mourdos

Are questions on refluffing a game on topic?

Joshua Aslan Smith

should be so long as it follows format for good subjective vs bad subjective

BESW

They... can be. Best asked in meta, if you want something to point at when the downvotes come.

Joshua Aslan Smith

12:49 PM

basically you need to have a decent set of requirements

Mourdos

We are using Only War (the 40k game) to run an Xcom based game, starting in the 90s. Our regiment comes from Russia. I'm looking to play a rattling, is there a way to refluff the race so that the size of small remains but the character would be accepted a a military recruit?

I suggested Only war, because when we start fighting the aliens, we can then start using las weaponry. We have deal with most of the rest of the refluffing issues. Ogry are also a problem, but nobody wants to play one of them

and the are better for aliens anyway

Joshua Aslan Smith

any reason why you are beholden to this particular system?

how small is small in the system?

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