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Rahul2001
Rahul2001
8:03 AM
How many ears does Captain Kirk have? Three. A left ear, a right ear and a final front ear.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
._.
defenestrates @Rahul2001
 
Burgi
Burgi
9:02 AM
@Rahul2001 i hate coffee
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
@Burgi eh, I've never tried red bull. Is it good?
 
Burgi
Burgi
its rocket fuel for geeks
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
Imma buy some unless it's tooooo expensive
 
Burgi
Burgi
only have a maximum of one
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
9:21 AM
Caffeine is terrible for dogs :p
 
 
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Burgi
Burgi
10:38 AM
@Rahul2001 have you seen Over The Hedge?
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
@Burgi nopee
:35709725 hey!
@Burgi 0_0
 
Burgi
Burgi
he drinks an energy drink and is suddenly sped up to the point he can walk through the lasers
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
10:53 AM
@Burgi Apparently. I'm going to try it out tonight. Better not disappoint me.
GROOVY DAWG!
 
Bob
Bob
11:29 AM
> Planned availability: Jul-Dec 2018*.

Planned technology: nbn™ Hybrid Fibre Coaxial (HFC)*.
bleh
apparently a bunch of suburbs will be available by June 2017
the bunch of suburbs ending just one suburb over. in two directions.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
so cable for the last mile, fibre backbone?
 
Bob
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Ya.
So advertised 100/40 (FTTP), probably 60/10 at midnight, probably 2/0.1 peak (evening)
I'm honestly expecting peak to be far worse than the ADSL I'm currently on
seriously, fuck shared carriers
I don't want to bet my bloody connectivity on what everyone else on the street does!
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
lol
 
 
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Burgi
Burgi
1:06 PM
so... helium filled HDDs, how do they work? I thought HDD had little holes in to exhaust pressurised air when the disks are spinning
 
Bob
Bob
@Burgi They're diaphragms for pressure equalisation, not permeable
 
bwDraco
bwDraco
@Burgi They're laser-welded shut to keep the helium in. Helium is lighter and less dense than air, so the platters inside spin with less resistance. This means more platters can be used, so you get higher storage capacity.
 
Burgi
Burgi
@Bob not sure i follow
 
bwDraco
bwDraco
The biggest limiting factor with a traditional hard drive is air causing turbulence as the platters spin resulting in wobble. Helium avoids this issue. HGST invented the helium-filled hard drive a few years ago for use in enterprise applications requiring high storage density; they're now available as high-end consumer applications.
 
DavidPostill
DavidPostill
@Burgi Mental picture of helium filled disk drive floating away ...
 
Burgi
Burgi
1:12 PM
@bwDraco yeah i knew that bit, it was more how they kept it inside
@DavidPostill EXACTLY!
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
the whole drive is heavier than air
 
DavidPostill
DavidPostill
@JourneymanGeek spoilsport :)
 
Burgi
Burgi
:)
 
bwDraco
bwDraco
 
DavidPostill
DavidPostill
 
Burgi
Burgi
1:16 PM
moving away from the helium, how does the diaphragm thing work?
 
DavidPostill
DavidPostill
@Burgi The diaphragm bulges out when the disk spins?
 
Burgi
Burgi
oh... as simple as that...
 
DavidPostill
DavidPostill
192
Q: What is the purpose of the holes marked "Do Not Cover" on hard drives?

oKtosiTeOn many hard drives, there's a text warning to "not cover this hole", sometimes adding that doing so will void the warranty. What is the purpose of this hole and why would covering it cause damage or increase the likelihood of drive failure? (Image source)

hard-drive
 
bwDraco
bwDraco
1:44 PM
@Burgi It's a filter so that air inside the hard drive can equalize with the atmosphere at varying air pressure levels without contaminating the platters. I've opened hard drives before so I've seen this personally.
 
bwDraco
bwDraco
2:00 PM
@Bob Fortunately, I have not had any major contention issues before on my home Internet connection.
 
DavidPostill
DavidPostill
@bwDraco A filter would let the Helium out ...
 
bwDraco
bwDraco
Obviously, not on a helium drive. Those are hermetically sealed.
 
Burgi
Burgi
@DavidPostill ty
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
2:27 PM
@DavidPostill With bonus content from yours truely :D
...if you have 10k
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
erf
I'd much rather this chap improve his answer than delete it superuser.com/a/1183269/10165 but he isn't listening
 
DavidPostill
DavidPostill
@OliverSalzburg lol
 
Bob
Bob
@allquixotic @JourneymanGeek youtube.com/watch?v=Pcy45MlI-lA
 
Burgi
Burgi
i just noticed that declined flags don't show the date it was declined
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Bob o0
I might try it, but that means digging out the VM
 
Bob
Bob
2:32 PM
@JourneymanGeek payday 2 mod :P
 
TOWMN
TOWMN
2:50 PM
Hey @Bob, would you say Adelaide is worth visiting?
 
Bob
Bob
@TOWMN not really :P
unless you like funny-tasting water
 
TOWMN
TOWMN
Hmm :-(
 
Bob
Bob
not much to do there iirc
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
I gotta say, this UniFi hardware is pretty fucking sweet
 
TOWMN
TOWMN
@Bob Isn't that the case for most of Australia?
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
2:51 PM
Would highly recommend
 
Burgi
Burgi
@TOWMN its called the city of churches
 
TOWMN
TOWMN
@Burgi Hmm, didn't know that
All I know about it is at least one cute girl has been exported from there
 
Bob
Bob
@TOWMN oh, while you're in Melbourne, penguins.org.au/attractions/penguin-parade but it's a bit of a long drive
 
TOWMN
TOWMN
@OliverSalzburg My experience of it is it's pretty decent software but the hardware needs rebooted about as often as Shitsco Cisco stuff when under high public loads (i.e. a lot)
 
DavidPostill
DavidPostill
@TOWMN That why they all drink:
 
Burgi
Burgi
2:54 PM
heheh
 
Bob
Bob
@TOWMN eh. apparently Adelaide has decent wildlife nearby if you're into that kind of thing
 
Burgi
Burgi
adelaide is where the super dodgy ex-IT Director is from
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
@TOWMN Well, we used Cisco before and didn't have any issues that would require reboots ever. So... yeah, probably an improvement for us :D
We don't have continuous high loads though
 
bwDraco
bwDraco
3:21 PM
Ryzen is three days away from launch. Are you pumped? \o/
(The official release date is March 2.)
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
not really no ;p
 
TOWMN
TOWMN
Any Italians in here?
@OliverSalzburg Heh, they'd kinda hang up once every few weeks when we had about 1600 simultaneous users
(in a building, not on one AP...)
Usually just one of the two radios too, so often goes un-noticed unless you're actually out hunting for issues
But once every few weeks is once too many, especially when it's an annoying intermittent problem.
These days 1600 users isn't even that much, busy train/metro stations can pull in 1600 new users per minute
(And the fact no large-scale outdoor/public/municipal wireless systems use Cisco says a lot...)
Anyone know where one can get a bottle of isopropyl alcohol in Italy?
Or a Displayport cable
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
3:38 PM
o0
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
3:53 PM
@TOWMN Interesting. The APs are actually the component we have the most experience with. So far 100% positive. We just extended our equipment with UniFi switches and routers
In combination with their CloudKey controllers that is
 
TOWMN
TOWMN
I've seen a few places using the Unifi APs for building wide services
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
And we use these at fairs, which are rarely longer than one week. So I would hope that we're unlikely to run into the same issues you're reporting
 
TOWMN
TOWMN
Most of them have crappy broadband connections hooked up behind them so poor overall experience, but generally OK
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
Yeah, we use the APs for our in-house WLAN as well
But it's a single AP with like 20 clients
 
TOWMN
TOWMN
It might just be the older ones that keep bugging out (1st gen AC APs that only support up to 400Mbps, aka VHT40)
Or "Draft AC" as some like to call it >_>
@OliverSalzburg Yeah, it's only ones that have been on continuously for weeks to months that run into issues, both Cisco and Ubiquiti I find
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
3:56 PM
Well, at the very least I know now that a power cycle might resolve some problems with the AP :D
Cool. Thanks for the heads-up
 
TOWMN
TOWMN
@OliverSalzburg TBH that's pretty much the rule with everything in computing :-P
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
Good point :D
 
TOWMN
TOWMN
I've seen quite a few positive reviews of the Unifi platform recently
Dunno if they're somehow suddenly making a resurgence in popularity or just coincidence
Over in Italy I've seen a few of their AirFiber 24Ghz backhauls
 
XKCD
XKCD
4:55 PM
 
Boris_yo
Boris_yo
5:19 PM
@Rahul2001 Is this Journeyman?
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
5:40 PM
It seems like I glittered myself by shredding discs :\
That was fun though :D
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
6:15 PM
Finally JourneymanGeek got to the 100k rep point been waiting for that a good while now.
Ok time to say congrats.
Congrats: JourneymanGeek on getting to 100k+ reps! :) ( We love you keep up the good work! :) )
 
DavidPostill
DavidPostill
6:27 PM
@TOWMN From a pharmacy.
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
7:16 PM
looks like 2.1 did caych chicken pox from his sister
 
Burgi
Burgi
7:31 PM
o.O
flat is sorted, get the contract on saturday
btw this is LITERALLY the weirdest video on the ENTIRE internet
@Bob
you can thank my minion for inflicting this weirdness on you
 
Mokubai
Mokubai
@Burgi wasn't that popular like 3 or 4 years ago?
Urgh, Cat decides to settle down on my mouse mat. Not only that, he decides to clean himself and constantly knock my mouse. To top it off he literally bites his toenails.
We should have named him Lister.
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
7:50 PM
@Mokubai Right, computer mouse... I was really confused for a minute there :P
 
Mokubai
Mokubai
@Rahul2001 what other kind of mouse do you keep on a mouse mat? ;)
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
8:19 PM
@Mokubai I've always called it 'mouse pad', never 'mouse mat'
 
Mokubai
Mokubai
I've heard of "mouse pads", but it sounds slightly odd compared to a "mat". Maybe we just name things different...
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
I need to be up all night, taking care of grandpa and ensuring that he's hydrated...
Hm. Luckily I'm used to staying up nights
@Mokubai yep
 
Mokubai
Mokubai
@Rahul2001 Plenty of coffee and pepsi
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
@Mokubai I don't have pepsi, will make myself coffee in a while
 
Mokubai
Mokubai
@Rahul2001 is your grandpa ill?
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
8:26 PM
@Mokubai yes, unfortunately
ABBA is going to keep me company all night :P
 
Mokubai
Mokubai
Oh. I hope he's getting better for you
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
@Mokubai Thanks. His condition does appear to be improving.
 
Blog bot
Blog bot
Stack Overflow Podcast #102: What Can We Learn from Uber?
Jess Pardue on February 27, 2017
Welcome to the Stack Overflow Podcast #102 recorded Thursday, February 23, 2017 at the Stack Overflow HQ in NYC. Today's podcast is brought to you by rogue cows and SHA-1. SHA-1: You can depend on it.
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
Hm. I think I'm going to listen to the podcast today.
I like it!
 
MrBrody
MrBrody
8:46 PM
Hi everyone,
 
Mokubai
Mokubai
 
MrBrody
MrBrody
@Rahul2001 sorry to hear that. As we say in French, "Bon courage et bonne chance, et bon rétablissement à ton grand-père!"
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
@Mokubai lol
 
MrBrody
MrBrody
Has anyone here a suggestion on that topic? superuser.com/questions/1183396/…
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
@MrBrody not sure what that means (my French is really, really poor), but thanks!
 
MrBrody
MrBrody
8:48 PM
@Rahul2001 It means: "wish you courage and luck, and swift recovery for your grandpa"!
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
Thanks! :D
@MrBrody wow, that's a nice question... Unfortunately I don't have a lot of experience with email technologies. Seems like the kind of project I could work on in my holidays though.
 
MrBrody
MrBrody
Should I have enough time someday, I would love too! Unfortunately, I must solve it within the constrained time frame of my startup...which means it can take time, but I cannot dedicate as much time as I would like to solve it, because of the many parallel tasks I also have :-\...
*I would love to dedicate time to it too!
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
@MrBrody I have a possible workaround which may work.
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
running your own email server really isn't worth the hassle
so many easy ways to trip up and get blacklisted, blocked, etc
 
MrBrody
MrBrody
@djsmiley2k I do not want to run the email server in its entirety: the actual inbound, AND outbound, servers, will stay with my hosting service provider. I just want to have a backup, accessed only by my devices, to load off the "bulk" from both the real IMAP server AND my smartphone!
PS: just the data storage, not the sending/receiving functions
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
8:55 PM
yeah I see that now
you could just have the storage on a vpn attached to the server
you'd loose access if the vpn went down, but you'd do the same thing if the server went down anyway (the storage server)
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
Firstly, if you don't mind spending some money, you can buy storage on Gmail or some other popular cheap email service and set up an auto forward to that account. You'll be able to search email using Gmail's search. Not a very neat solution, but eh.
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
the only difficult bit is how to seperate out the older emails
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
@MrBrody I don't think any software exists for what you want to do. This will involve some hacking and moderate scripting at the very least
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
hmmmmmmm
I know a tool
it's called enterprise vault
 
MrBrody
MrBrody
I am on a quite tricky new technology here, and Google X has expressed interest in our technology. Storing every technical detail sent over email in plain Gmail would be borderline dangerous for our startup. Which is why we want control over our storage. On the other hand, how do you connect a VPN server to a hosted Email server? For the IMAP backup that transforms into a server, There is also this thread: superuser.com/questions/127338/…
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
8:58 PM
and i think it's expensive
and i've only ever seen it intergrated to outlook.
@MrBrody oh that's easy, don't send details over email
instead send them over https, and vpn.
 
MrBrody
MrBrody
We basically found the software able to do the trick today, I mean my computer simulation engineer, he found how to basically download everything from IMAP, and then use it again to create an IMAP server used as read-only
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
.... yeah that's pretty simples
 
MrBrody
MrBrody
@djsmiley2k Unfortunately, some people we must send our details to do not (cannot...) go to the trouble of setting up the receiving end of such a secure channel!
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
@MrBrody then remove them
they are a security risk
and are unacceptable
also, the recieving end is a browser
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
@MrBrody okay, wow. The Google X?
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
9:01 PM
1. you setup a website that hosts files securely
2. you access it, securely
3. you share the url via email.
 
MrBrody
MrBrody
They are the ones that could give us 1M€ grants from the government. It's a measured risk. @Rahul2001: Yeah, THE Google X!
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
They can't click a link?
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
@MrBrody that's amazing!
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
Ok so thechance of nice grants on the table, you might want to hire someone to do this properly for you
rather than asking random people on the internet?
 
MrBrody
MrBrody
@djsmiley2k Indeed this is also a usage we can unlock with our own server. And we can also technically do that on a hosted server without too high a risk, if the encryption is handled correctly
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
9:02 PM
Half the time i think I should do consulting on the side and just help out the people here for a cost :/
 
MrBrody
MrBrody
I only have enough cash for one hire, and it's my simulations engineer. THe grant is conditioned on a large fundraising we must complete...with the technical results from 1 year of work of me and my first hire
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
@MrBrody why don't you hire a server for the IMAP system instead of setting up your own physically? Let the pros manage the hardware.
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
can you tell us anything about what you're doing?
Do you genuinely think Google X are going to hack your emails, because if so, no provider is safe.
 
MrBrody
MrBrody
@Rahul2001 I find the price of email GB really overpriced. Basically, if we find the right hardware (see my post above), we can make it run securely enough for our current risk level. @djsmiley2k I do compressed air energy storage that can be used as both renewable storage and A/C unit because of the cooling achieved during decompression. Of course Google will probably never hack my emails, I understand that; it's just uncomfortable, is all!
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
100Gb storage for £7/mo
 
MrBrody
MrBrody
9:05 PM
PS: our unit can be used to power and cool down datacenters in countries where electricity is expensive, e.g. Italy
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
that's google storage..
if you need larger, there's bigger plans
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
@MrBrody Don't hire an email server, get a VPS and manually set up IMAP.
 
MrBrody
MrBrody
@djsmiley2k I was looking up Gandi, OVH, things like that. We ruled out Google, Yahoo and others, based on the email screening practices. @Rahul2001 I do not trust our current level of ability to run a complete IMAP ourselves; just a backup!
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
@MrBrody IDK, appears to be a whole lot of work... Internet, electricity, storage...
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
well a cheap sys (ovh) storage server gives me 1Tb storage for £11/mo
 
Burgi
Burgi
9:09 PM
@Mokubai news to me
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
@MrBrody so you just want a backup of the original emails?
or you want to do this weird 'clearing down' of the old stuff too?
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
@Burgi It was crazy popular when I was in 6th or 7th grade
 
Burgi
Burgi
so i was right, crazy foreign music
 
MrBrody
MrBrody
@djsmiley2k Can you link that Tb to the inbound emails, so that it rolls and downloads the emails from the real server, saves them all, and provides them to you as a secondary IMAP archive?
 
Burgi
Burgi
#brexit!
;)
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
9:10 PM
Also no, the Yvis video about stone henge is the weirdest on the internet
@MrBrody it'd be a secondary mailbox
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
@MrBrody VPS, you should easily be able to do that. It's basically a Linux system.
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
I wonder if Zimbra can do this weird acrhiving you wanna do
 
MrBrody
MrBrody
@djsmiley2k I want an active backup, just so I can work around the price of the labeled "email" storage
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
basically you want something like this mailstore.com/en/…
 
Burgi
Burgi
i do think that most people who voted for brexit honestly thought they were voting to leave eurovision
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
9:12 PM
@Burgi xD
|Suddenly it all makes sense
 
Burgi
Burgi
i know right?
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
@Burgi I just can't believe how dumb some people (who seem inteligent) Are.
So at the time i was working IT in a factory, making car seats
the employees were like 90% polish
 
MrBrody
MrBrody
@djsmiley2k An open source and secure alternative to that, exactly!
 
Burgi
Burgi
having a large number of stupid people helped them too
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
@MrBrody yeah, that's where i'm stuck
most people end up rolling their own screwed up solution :D
@Burgi so then my collegue goes on about how immigration allows people to come over here, taking the jobs..
I'm just sat there thinking 'you realise if those guys out there weren't there, you wouldn't have a job...'
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
9:13 PM
@MrBrody get a VPS with a good amount of storage. Set up encryption, then do your magic.
 
MrBrody
MrBrody
@djsmiley2k exactly, right? So you agree, email storage is overpriced because no one took the time to build and publish a workaround like that?
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
@MrBrody it's overpriced because people pay it.
but you're requirements are kinda high
if you're happy with 2 mailboxes, a 'live' one, and a read only archive one, then it's easy
the moment you want them 'combined' it gets tricky
 
MrBrody
MrBrody
@djsmiley2k It's the continuous archiving that poses problem, then? To me, it's like a client (like Claws mail), that would be running on your home server, only you access the results (data, output, display, whatever it is best to call it) from the client, from a distant terminal (your phone, for example)...sending those "results" from the home server to the terminal (phone) using IMAP makes sense but yes it is not "natural" to combine them!
 
Burgi
Burgi
my minion is rominian, he gets abuse from polish people for coming over here and taking their jobs
it really is very weird
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
lol
yeah we saw some of that too
tho your minion takes a week to refactor something so :/
 
Burgi
Burgi
9:17 PM
don't even start...
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
:D
still not done>? :/
 
Burgi
Burgi
i don't think our boss has even bollocked him for that yet
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
@MrBrody Zimbra might do it
but that thing is a huge pile of.. :/
 
Burgi
Burgi
its done... but after we deployed it the client changed their mind
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
-_-
 
MrBrody
MrBrody
9:19 PM
@djsmiley2k Looks like it yes... I liked the idea of control, and then expand the size of the combined email storage of all company accounts to whatever the heck the size of my redundant storage can be!
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
yeah, read up on zimbra, it might be able to do what you want
 
Burgi
Burgi
@MrBrody TWSS!
<.<
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
it's the most.... 'complete' email solution i'd seen
 
Burgi
Burgi
i struggled today but hopefully i will sleep properly tonight and be able to actually write code instead of moving repos around like i did all morning
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
I need to tend to grandpa and then I should get some sleep
 
MrBrody
MrBrody
9:22 PM
@djsmiley2k thank you, I'll at least read about it and maybe I'll find ways from there. @Burgi: lucky you, I still have loads of things for today, including a surprise video they asked me for a contest hearing tomorrow..."surprise"...@Rahul2001 good night, thank you!
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
@MrBrody Best of luck! Tell us how it goes, and drop in if you need any help or assistance
 
MrBrody
MrBrody
@Rahul2001 thanks :-)
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
Also, tell us how it goes with Google :P
 
Burgi
Burgi
contest hearing?
my mind has the consistancy of thick porridge at the moment
 
MrBrody
MrBrody
Yes, we applied to 2 different contests recently (startup contests in France), they could grant us a lot of funding (conditioned on a fundraising), and tomorrow we meet with consultants for the french BPI...and in the email they say "don't forget the video presentation with this and that format"!
 
Burgi
Burgi
9:25 PM
do a "live action" video!
 
MrBrody
MrBrody
a video they forgot to mention in the list of materials needed to apply. Its existence was only burried deep inside the contest rules, 20 pages long
Well, I'll dub a 3D video we made, should be enough not to look weird!
 
Burgi
Burgi
get the viewers to hold a cardboard square made to look like a tv and just act out the video in front of them
 
Mokubai
Mokubai
@MrBrody So the first stage of the contest is "Reading a 20 page set of rules without falling asleep"
 
MrBrody
MrBrody
@Mokubai And without forgetting its details once you read its summarized version you think contains all, yes :-)
 
Burgi
Burgi
your presentation will stand out then
 
MrBrody
MrBrody
9:27 PM
@Burgi haha why not
 
Burgi
Burgi
i'm going to fill my head with beer and go to bed
ttyl
 
Mokubai
Mokubai
@Burgi have a good one
 
MrBrody
MrBrody
@Burgi Good night, I'm going too!
 
Andrew Myers
Andrew Myers
Is it at all common to have DHCP servers that check addresses before handing them out to clients?
Somebody I'm working with has been setting up static IPs in the DHCP range, and said that it worked fine for other networks (hence the duplicate IPs mean I set up the server wrong...)
 
Fabby
Fabby
If a user called "pythonic" shows up, can someone ping me if he/she/it is unfamiliar with chat?
(thank you...)
 
allquixotic
allquixotic
9:48 PM
> IP ADDRESS CONFLICT PREVENTION
The DHCP server checks IP addresses to see if they are in use before
allocating them to clients. It does this by sending an ICMP Echo
request message to the IP address being allocated. If no ICMP Echo
reply is received within a second, the address is assumed to be free.
This is only done for leases that have been specified in range state-
ments, and only when the lease is thought by the DHCP server to be free
- i.e., the DHCP server or its failover peer has not listed the lease
couldn't find any evidence that it's configurable though; seems to be built-in
but of course just because the DHCP server sends an ICMP Echo to the IP, doesn't mean the client is in any way obligated to reply to the echo at all
it's trivial (and for some devices, the default) to configure some host to ignore ICMP and not respond to incoming ICMP
if this user is putting devices on the network with static IPs that don't send ICMP responses to the DHCP server, then PEBKAC
 
CaffeineAddiction
CaffeineAddiction
@allquixotic what dhcp server is that on? Every DHCP server I have ever played w/ just says FU ... im giving away your IP here is a new one ...
 
Mokubai
Mokubai
@ThatBrazilianGuy Want to know what's awesome about the RA Steam group? It's that it showed me @JourneymanGeek has some great dedication. I love the fact that his badge is "Good Dog" :D steamcommunity.com/id/journeymangeek
 
allquixotic
allquixotic
@CaffeineAddiction ISC DHCP Server, the standard on Debian, Red Hat, Ubuntu, etc.
 
Andrew Myers
Andrew Myers
@allquixotic Interesting
 
allquixotic
allquixotic
@Mokubai he got that badge from a game I bought him
 
Mokubai
Mokubai
9:57 PM
@allquixotic and it is awesome
@allquixotic Is the game any good?
 
allquixotic
allquixotic
@Mokubai I think his reaction was "it isnt for me [sic]", but he played through enough chapters to get that badge
I thought it was a pretty nice story-driven game
 
Mokubai
Mokubai
Ahhh. Fair enough.
Looks intriguing, graphics a bit odd though.
 
allquixotic
allquixotic
@Mokubai it is intriguing, and it's not a bad game... also don't assume that every opinion asserted by a dog will also be true for you
 
CausingUnderflowsEverywhere
CausingUnderflowsEverywhere
@CaffeineAddiction ^^
 
Mokubai
Mokubai
@allquixotic I try my best not to, hence I have quite a few rubbish games amongst my collection.
And some quite spectacular diamonds in the rough
 
allquixotic
allquixotic
10:11 PM
@Mokubai however, you should always listen to cats when they advise you; cats never lie, and their opinions are more valid than yours
 
Mokubai
Mokubai
@allquixotic our cats would certainly agree with you there.
 
bwDraco
bwDraco
meow
:P
 
Mokubai
Mokubai
i spend far too long following one of our cats around the house while he shows me everything...
"dis my bed. you leave me sleep here. dis my bathtub, i play wiv your stuff my mice here. dis my food bowl, you notice summink wrong wiv it?"
 
allquixotic
allquixotic
lol, my cat loves to lead me, too
generally if my cat starts to walk in front of me and I let her lead, she always goes to her treat bowl upstairs
 
Fabby
Fabby
@JourneymanGeek Yours is good but I like mine better ;-)
Good night all...
 
Mokubai
Mokubai
10:26 PM
@allquixotic you have one of those huge cats don't you? A Maine Coon iirc...
 
Bob
Bob
hi
 
Mokubai
Mokubai
iwoot
 
DavidPostill
DavidPostill
@Bob hi
 
Bob
Bob
@Mokubai you sure that's not a tiger?
 
allquixotic
allquixotic
@Mokubai mine is only about 80% that long
her markings, appearance, behavior, coat thickness and texture, etc. are virtually identical to that cat
just... smaller
 
Mokubai
Mokubai
10:31 PM
@allquixotic 80% of fecking huge is still huge...
 
allquixotic
allquixotic
the key markings are, the stripes along the legs, the tabby-like forehead, the tufted ears, the medium-long hair coat, the tufts of hair between the toes, and the ridiculously bushy tail
 
Mokubai
Mokubai
@Bob im pretty sure you'd have to declare a "bear/wild cat" on your home insurance
 
allquixotic
allquixotic
ours is predominantly black, though, not gray/white
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djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
Did @MichaelFrank ever go home in the end?
Also holy crap my thumb hurts
 
Michael Frank
Michael Frank
@djsmiley2k Yea, I went home when the fire alarm went off.
 
DavidPostill
DavidPostill
10:43 PM
@MichaelFrank Was it real or a false alarm?
 
Michael Frank
Michael Frank
@DavidPostill It was probably triggered by the construction next door. Fire engines did turn up, but they normally do even when it's just a drill. I haven't had an email today saying that the building burnt down either.
 
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