Root Access

Hardware... could be a tad problematic if it's actually soldered to the board. One wold hope that they do MXM or similar, which would then also be drop-in.

But they had plenty of time to update the hardware for 10xx anyway.

And it's not like Microsoft is lacking people or technical expertise.

For their first ever desktop/high-powered hardware launch? ...really should go all the way

Aibobot

@Bob or play it conservative, and have a solid 1.0 product

Bob

12:47 AM

@JourneymanGeek Eh, one would hope that if a monitor version existed then it'd have a more flexible stand and/or a VESA mount.

Aibobot

that style of stand isn't really adjustable tho

Its very much a surface imac ;p

Bob

@Aibobot Who said it has to be that style?

Aibobot

true

but if it wasn't it would be a very different design ;p

Bob

@Aibobot Not really... I'm mostly interested in the touch/pen input, the panel itself, and maybe the bezel design.

Aibobot

ah

Bob

12:49 AM

There's lots of VESA-compatible arms that'll do similar tilt adjustments.

Aibobot

"quite similar to but entirely unlike"

VESA makes sense for all the reasons.

Bob

@Aibobot Eh, that's most of what it is. The stand is really minor.

The computer side of the hardware isn't exactly amazing.

It's a beautiful monitor with a so-so computer slapped in the back.

Aibobot

eh, its 'stock' windows no?

;p

Bob

Now if only they sold the monitor by itself...

Aibobot

See "imac" comparison ;p

Bob

12:51 AM

@Aibobot I think a 980 over half a year after the 1080 was released is far too conservative

Aibobot

@Bob agreed

Bob

It's not even a 980 Ti!

Aibobot

>_>

"Not even"

Back in the day.... ;p

Bob

@Aibobot well, according to rumors anyway

not sure if it's actually a 980 cause I don't have time to watch the full video

Aibobot

well, you know rumours

lol

Bob

12:52 AM

@Aibobot more like people discussing the presentation, who I hope got the specs right

Aibobot

I've not sctually caught up yet

Bob

neither have I :P

Aibobot

10 hour days + so fucking tired

Bob

I'm sure Nvidia would've been delighted to provide Microsoft with all the engineering samples and consultants they'd need to get a 1080 in there

@Aibobot Oh yea, at 4500 x 3000... I'd almost want dual-1080. So, yea, not even.

@Aibobot Ok, it's not even 980. It's 980M.

>
i5 Intel 8GB: NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 965M 2GB GDDR5 memory
i7 Intel 16GB: NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 965M 2GB GDDR5 memory
i7 Intel 32GB: NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 980M 4GB GDDR5 memory

Aibobot

hm

Ow?

Bob

12:56 AM

Smells like MXM. Hopefully. In which case you could probably stick a 1080 MXM in there? Maybe? Hopefully? :S

wait. 4500X3000?

@Aibobot Yup. 3:2.

ah

> 1-year limited hardware warranty

...you're kidding

> Screen: 28” PixelSense™ Display
Resolution: 4500 x 3000 (192 PPI)
Color settings: Adobe sRGB and DCI-P3 and Vivid Color Profiles, Individually color calibrated
Touch: 10 point multi-touch
Aspect Ratio: 3:2
Supports Pen enabled and Zero Gravity Hinge

Aibobot

"individually colour caliberated" means surprisingly little

Bob

1:00 AM

@Aibobot I think anyone who really cares would probably have their own calibration equipment...

And lots of these things are only apparent when compared side-by-side to something else, and is even lighting-dependent :\

Aibobot

yup

Bob

@Aibobot imacs actually have a considerable bezel, especially down the bottom

surface studio would serve better as a monitor, I think :P

also, imacs don't do pen input, last I checked

nor touch

basically, imac as a monitor is more-or-less on par with other nice monitors. the glass front is nice, but otherwise not so different

Aibobot

"glass front"

Ewwwww EWWWewwewwwwwwww

Matte 4 life

Bob

lol

@Aibobot funny thing, that

Aibobot

erf. My co-worker fucked up yet again

Bob

1:06 AM

I like matte, especially when there's glare

but glass is much better for cleaning

Aibobot

Here's always glare

Bob

matte glass? :P

Aibobot

meh, screen wipes work well for me

That would be cool, but never seen it before

Bob

@Aibobot IMO it's more of a "thick-ish glass vs thin plastic", rather than a "matte vs glossy"

Aibobot

giant matte screen protector?

ah

or...

Bob

1:07 AM

You can apply force on the glass without worrying too much.

Aibobot

lol. I know matte glass exists.

and where I can buy some ._.

not tempered or gorilla tho

Bob

I mean, this one is probably glossy. Which I'm kinda meh about.

Also, it's a touchscreen, gotta be glass for that :P

(I'll happily ignore resistive touchscreens, and the clowns who design capacitive screens with a thin-plastic front...)

@Aibobot Thick plastic is alright too, actually. Though generally it's the cheaper stuff.

Just something you can press on without destroying the LCD panel

bwDraco

1:21 AM

@Bob lol @ "clowns"

Dog

1:36 AM

@Bob Yeah lol

@Bob This

I can't how many reviews I've seen criticizing laptops/monitors/etc. for not having "individual calibration" from the factory because "their target audience of professionals would want it".... NO

Anyone who needs a colour calibrated display will have their own equipment, and monitors need recalibration over time so factory calibration still doesn't cut it for their "target audience"

oldmud0

Anyone who needs a color calibrated display uses a $10000000 screen

Journeyman Geek

Nope

You can calibrate any screen with a 300 or so dollar device. Very worth it

Psycogeek

i would rather have good color as standard, than terrible backlighting and colors then "calibrated"

Journeyman Geek

@Dog my last workplace calibrated for consistency...

oldmud0

Can you calibrate all the tvs in best buy with that?

Please do

Journeyman Geek

1:50 AM

Eh. Calibration is often settable on the system

And calibration is maybe a half hour if done right

Psycogeek

@oldmud0 like the wallmart tvs, you can calibrate all you want, but with $30 worth of cheap china LEDs as the backlighting it wont really "fix" that problem.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I wonder what the poor man's version of that is :P

Journeyman Geek

Colour hug or colormunki smile

Dog

@Bob Getting one for free?

Eyes

2:04 AM

> Indian software professional to rent it out single room in 2 bed room furnished flat.

Well that's specific

Psycogeek

Now who from the web abbreviations squad would think that BFG stood for anything but Big F--ing Giant?

Dog

2:21 AM

What does it stand for??

allquicatic

@Bob and ridiculously overpriced for the specs.

Psycogeek

Big Friendly Giant, as long as it isnt really hungry :-)

Dog

Oh

@Bob Yeah seeing as they custom built an exclusive SKU for them last year... wtf.

@Bob Been there, complained about that...

Bob

@allquicatic Microsoft's now the Apple of the PC hardware world? :P

Actually, I'm not sure if it's that overpriced.

The display really is something special.

That alone could account for >$2k.

allquicatic

2:39 AM

@Bob OK, but if you're going to ship an astonishing display with horrible internals, at least make the fucking thing upgradeable

Bob

Then again, the 5k iMac is much cheaper. Hmm.

Then again, the 5k iMac uses Iris Pro...

allquicatic

I'm excited for what Tim Cook has cooking for tomorrow

Bob

Wait, no, the 5k one has a dGPU

@allquicatic "We removed the USB ports. It takes courage to do this."

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek Last I checked, I spent $170 on a colorimeter.

Psycogeek

what a rip-off you can get a full pallet of paint matching chips at the home store for free, and just put them next to the monitor

Bob

2:50 AM

@allquicatic I wonder if it is upgradeable. I did mention earlier that it might be an MXM card.

12

Q: How to explain the concept of test automation to a team that only knows manual testing?

I have been working as a QA in our 9 developers team for about a year. Had lots of 'firsts' within the year between personal and professional life. I replaced a QA who only did manual testing and unfortunately, no test cases were left for me to study, and no requirements as well. All in all I had...

@allquicatic ^ :P

Psycogeek

but does anyone ever think that way? lets see we want that green tree to look just like a green tree would, so bring a piece of the green tree in :-) I calibrate my professional cameras to a Real scene with various things of various color types in it, and can look at the real scene, and the monitor screen and , amasing they look just alike other than one of them is FLAT

Bob

@allquicatic They're due for new laptops, yea?

Didn't they skip the Air last time in favour of the ambiguously-named "Macbook"?

I really wish these companies would give more descriptive names...

"Surface" - now does that refer to the 'plain' "Surface" or as a shorter name for a Surface Pro or ...

-_-

Dog

Well that was an interesting fuckup

Psycogeek

how many surfaces would they sell if it was called Surface (worthless) Atom chip :-)

Bob

@Dog ?

Dog

2:57 AM

My traffic from Edinburgh to London just got routed through NTT in San Jose for a few seconds, then via Verisign in Washington

Psycogeek

surface Internet Appliance :-)

Bob

@Dog s/(NTT|Verisign)/NSA/ :P

Dog

@Bob Surface Extreme Pro Hyper-Z Super OC Gaming G1 XXL

Psycogeek

surface wish you woulda bought the one called "pro"

Dog

F4t4lit7 Elit3 Ghost Ultra Turbo Sub-Zero Super Titanium XP

Psycogeek

3:01 AM

hey wait, do they make that one :-)

Dog

Faster than a bullet, lighter than a fwog

Psycogeek

ahh i am still trying to figure out how they are going to power up that laptop , with the (wooo hoo) 1080nvidia chip in it sucking 200Watts total

Dog

Xtra cowbell bonus doge edition

@Psycogeek with dual 300w power supplies evidently

Psycogeek

NGAFAWP Laptop, Never Gets Away From A Wall Plug

Bob

@Psycogeek Switchable graphics?

An idling 1080 doesn't use all that much either

Psycogeek

3:06 AM

take 200watts and i want to play battelfield 1 for 10 hours. a small tesla wall could do it

allquicatic

@Bob Yes, which means that tonight is the last night that my Macbook Pro isn't the latest released model of Apple's flagship 13" laptop >_<

Dog

If I was nvidia, instead of selling this "founders edition" crap I'd be selling the Doge edition.

Psycogeek

that is more power than is in a pair of 6v 80Lb golf cart batteries, you would need 20 of the best lithium ion 18650s made today, for each hour of operation, IF it was pushed as hard as a desktop versions

allquicatic

@Bob the Surface vs Surface Pro thing was a huge debacle, because the Surface is such a completely, fundamentally different product from the Surface Pro... the Surface is ARM-based, Surface Pro is x86-based, and someone who thinks they just want a cheaper Surface Pro is going to be horribly disappointed with their Surface.

hence why the Surface RT failed utterly

!! s/Doge/Dogecoin/

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquicatic If I was nvidia, instead of selling this "founders edition" crap I'd be selling the Dogecoin edition. (source)

Psycogeek

3:18 AM

so either the wizz bang bestest grafic (whoo hoo we say 1080) \ gaming laptop is going to suck at gaming or it is going to suck at power still

Dog

@allquicatic wait what? The surface 3 is Atom x7 based, that's not ARM

Bob

@allquicatic wasn't that marketed specifically as the "Surface RT"?

still confusing to most people, but not as bad as just "Surface", as in the x86 Surface 3.

well, ok, worse because it's incompatible, but naming not as bad because it had its own name

but I'm trying to draw parallels to Macbook vs Macbook Air vs Macbook Pro :P

which are all x86, but it's hard to talk about the first one because it effectively shares a name with the other two

also, I just remembered why I get pissed off at Linux, and why I refuse to use it as a primary OS

I can't even install the damn thing without spending hours fiddling with it

Dog

@Bob it also came out way before the first Surface Pro, so it was hardly possible for anyone to think it was a slightly cut back Pro when the Pro didn't even exist

Bob

Kubuntu 14.04 installed fine in VBox, yay. Kubuntu 16.10 ... where the hell is the install option? and I supposed to boot into the live environment first? but it just fades to black (w/ cursor) after the progress bar completes!

and here I am in tty1 hunting for any logs that might say anything at all useful

Dog

@Bob what would the NSA want with a ~~dog~~ cat like me anyway. Maybe cause half the people in this hostel are insane they were the target rather than me?

Psycogeek

3:28 AM

they are afraid you will get to the donuts before they do

Bob

and people wonder why the masses prefer OS X and windows... — Jonathan. Jan 5 at 1:47

yea... say what you want about Windows, at least the installer usually works...

Psycogeek

you probably need to re-compile it to do what you want, dont worry it's EASY :-)

allquicatic

@Bob not at first, no

Bob

@allquicatic oh

2

Q: Kubuntu - missing menu bar at the top, and task bar at the bottom

I have pressed something, and top menu bar and task bar at the bottom of the KUbuntu screen, has disappeared, it looks like some fullscreen mode or something got turned on. Any ideas how to switch back?

kubuntu

wut.

allquicatic

IIRC the Surface and Surface 2 were both ARM/Windows RT, and they were literally just marketed as Surface and Surface 2 with no "RT"

Bob

3:38 AM

"Kubuntu, running KDE, is missing parts of its UI. Better install parts of gnome!"

@allquicatic yea, YRC :P

Psycogeek

4:27 AM

my ISP (comcast) sent me a letter about buying "Terrabyte" internet. then it says (i didnt read it all) that if i go Over with one of the plans they will charge me $200 Overage charges.

Then they confusingly tossed out my 3 Month record , which is well UNDER a TB for a full 3 months, as if (somehow) i would begin to use 3-4 times More suddenly than my normal?

and this terraPlan they seem to be Threatening me with ?? costs $50 More than the low $50 a month i am spending now.

(normal price for the plan i am on is more like $70) , so i guess the T-plan would be like $120 a month.

allquicatic

@Bob YRC?

Bob

@allquicatic You Recalled Correctly :P

Psycogeek

4:42 AM

there are people in america (not in california or new york) who live fully on $500 a month, these ISPs get thier support crew from countries where they pay $50-$100 a month. Between the mobile ISP and the home ISP (not to mention if i had a Server ISP) seems like i could just pay a few people to run a Hard disk around the country in a courier net :-)

do they ever fix or maintainance the infrastructure ? no, have i ever Once asked for a service call, no. have i ended up paying for Multituded of Door-2-Door sales people to arrive weekly to sell me more crap i dont want, Yes.

the ultimate package, unlimited phone data $250-350 with ATT , unlimited cable data $120 with comcast , unlimited TV and movies $150-250 with dish .
at those prices i could afford to Move out of the country itself, and live like a Sheik. I wonder how much water costs in Dubya

Is it no wonder how they can come up with 50 Billion Dollers

to buy out thier only competition.

They are buying the competition out with the money we paid them. wherin they will again raise the prices on us when said competition is swollowed up or steamrollered.

All your Internets Belong to Us, who was it who (originally) stated that the internet would "balance out the power" because the "little guy would have the same voice"

Psycogeek

5:23 AM

in perspective, AT&T will be spending the same ammount for Time Warner as 1/2 all the gold in fort knox historicmysteries.com/gold-fort-knox then tomorrow will tell you they need to raise rates.

Aibobot

6:52 AM

._.

I got sent to check in on a user...

who's not there

and his manager said it was a totally different thing

so... yeah, emailed both of em, since the user's on night shift

djsmiley2k

7:03 AM

lul

so @Dog according to the register, it was only 100k devices in the original attack on friday

theregister.co.uk/2016/10/27/…

but then the legit traffic caused more issues XD

Rahul2001

Another hacking competition!

<yay!>

Anyone interested?

I just realized that if you're blocked, you can still message @Dog through @ChatBotJohnCavil... (S)he'll never block the bot :P

Boris_yo

7:19 AM

Some of staff look like of reptilian race to me: ultrasone.audio/en/company/about-us

Maybe they abused the highlight effect too much?

Aibobot

@Rahul2001 don't message @Dog through @ChatBotJohnCavil

If anyone blocks you, clearly they don't want to hear what you say

Rahul2001

@Aibobot (a) She hasn't blocked me. (b) I don't want to talk to him/her (c) That was just an observation.

@Boris_yo You... don't want to know

Aibobot

@Rahul2001 I quite literally had to tell someone not to do it

and this has been an issue in the past

So you can totally do that, and that is likely to end horribly

Boris_yo

7:42 AM

@JourneymanGeek Ever used Ultrasone brand headphones?

DavidPostill

@Rahul2001 You might get away with doing it once ...

@Boris_yo nope

morning

morning

customer is kicking off that i had to restore their website from a backup rather than leave it broken after a code deployment

DavidPostill

7:54 AM

Moral of story - don't deploy broken code?

Aren't you supposed to test it first?

Aibobot

@Burgi ._.

I assume you have a backup of the broken post deployment version?

DavidPostill

lol

Aibobot

ugh, so tired

Helped move 80 printers

Burgi

@Aibobot yes

wait... what?

Aibobot

;p

Burgi

8:02 AM

it doesn't help that the account manager in charge of that customer is a fucking idiot

Bob

8:12 AM

@JourneymanGeek Got a CB280HK

Apparently there's also a CB281HK and no one knows how it's different

djsmiley2k

re-deploy the broken version

:D

keep repeating this cycle over and over, until the customer gets it

Is this the same one from yesterday with the 'can you deploy the code but no one can see it' ?

Boris_yo

8:34 AM

@Aibobot Are you JourneymanGeek?

Why you created duplicate account? Isn't it violation of SU terms?

I wanted to get these until I realzied the price...

djsmiley2k

I believe the answer to this is:
"it's complicated"

Huzzar, my openvpn works

I just need to add the key of my server so I can ssh back home

Burgi

8:51 AM

GRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!

i nearly lost my temper at the account manager

Burgi

9:02 AM

she's all "can't you just fix it?"

and "i told the customer you'd have it working this morning"

wtf!

Burgi

9:21 AM

are OSX VMs legal?

Journeyman Geek

@Boris_yo yes. This is my spare non mod testing account

@Burgi on Apple hardware

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Note to self: don't carry 28" monitors around in questionable packaging unless a car is nearby -_-

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I wouldn't typically carry 28 inch monitors around

Bob

@JourneymanGeek 'twas the easiest way to get from shop to home :P

Journeyman Geek

Also yay. Another UHD user

Bob

9:24 AM

@JourneymanGeek hm?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob oh. Second monitor yes?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek lol, ya

P2715Q, remember? :P

Journeyman Geek

Another 2x UHD user

Bob

lol

not yet

brb setting up

Journeyman Geek

Yup essentially the same layout as me

Burgi

9:27 AM

so you can't run OSX VMs on windows or linux hosts?

Journeyman Geek

Errrrr

Bob

@Burgi nope

Journeyman Geek

Not legally or easily

Bob

they don't sell macOS standalone anyway

so how do you suppose you get a legal copy?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob iirc the EULA for Apple hardware let's you run vms. And esxi on Mac minis....

Bob

9:28 AM

@JourneymanGeek yes, but that's not selling you a copy of the software

Journeyman Geek

I mean for os x vms in general...

Which is why you have Mac mini and trashcan ESC servers

Bob

"trashcan" :P

Journeyman Geek

Trashcan

@Burgi sounds like a use for one of your foundling Macs :p

Burgi

already set up

Bob

dammit, I need a bigger desk

Burgi

9:31 AM

its just a faff to move desks just to use it

Bob

@Burgi RDP/VNC

Burgi

... good point

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I have a dining table as a desk :p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek happen to know any tools to compare monitors side-by-side?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I guess that online calibration site?

Burgi

9:41 AM

@Bob i think @bwDraco has something he uses

Journeyman Geek

Tbh I just hit both with the windows calibration tool and called it giod

Bob

@Burgi He uses a physical calibration device. I don't have one, and I'm not really keen on buying one.

@JourneymanGeek yea, that'd do

Burgi

ah ok

Bob

Oh, this one has a slower response time than the Dell

even though it's TN and the Dell one is IPS

o.O

also the default brightness burns with the light of a thousand suns

Journeyman Geek

Sounds about right for the latter

One reason the crossover really benefited from Windows calibration

Bob

9:46 AM

O_O

I think I broke Dell Display Manager

it doesn't like having this other monitor attached..?!

Journeyman Geek

Really o0

Granted I don't think I run it now

Bob

Journeyman Geek

Sounds broke alright

Bob

huh, replugging the monitor fixed it

I need a longer DP cable :\

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