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12:34 AM
@bwDraco depends on the cost of the new system and the 'value' of building it yourself to you
 
cat
@ThatBrazilianGuy lol
 
1:37 AM
I'm home!
Going to wash my hair and then I'll start a twitch creative stream
 
Bob
1:55 AM
@DavidPostill Hm?
@JourneymanGeek that would explain why all my GPS positions are off ever so slightly :P
or maybe it's just the inherent inaccuracy
@bwDraco was it the one for your dad?
 
2:22 AM
@Bob Yes, but Father just wants a simple PC for web.
 
There, production stream as requested
 
@electronbeam That's a quite peculiar version of Mirror's Edge Catalyst you got there!
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy lol I fixed that
 
Bob
> The broadcaster indicated that the channel is intended for mature audiences.
o.O
that's a Twitch thing?
 
I suppose @electronbeam isn't fond of immature audiences, right?
I think this is the very first twitch stream I've ever watched.
 
Bob
2:31 AM
lol
 
2:45 AM
Hmm. Not sure if I like the SwiftKey keyboard or the Google keyboard more.
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Swype! :P
 
SwiftKey seems to autocucumber me more but also guesses better.
 
Bob
Huh. They're giving out... cat treats?
 
3:03 AM
Pretty sure foxes can eat em too
 
So is it worth the cost?
Father still wants to go prebuilt and is looking into laptops (specifically "2-in-1" machines that can be used as tablets as well as laptops) but the budget is low due to the limited uses expected.
 
3:18 AM
I would go with an XTrail celeron
 
3:33 AM
Not too sure if Silvermont is the best idea because it provides very little room to grow.
Right now, Father's machine has a broken Windows Update which fails to get any update information whatsoever (svchost.exe consumes an entire CPU core on a slow AMD K8 dual-core processor) and was unable to get the updates for this month's Patch Tuesday.
Due to the security implications of this issue, as well as the exceptionally poor performance this has resulted in, we're forced to look into getting or building a new machine as soon as possible.
The hard part is whether it's worth the extra cost of the Windows license (OEMs pay far below the ~US$130 needed for a retail license of Windows 10).
OEMs also pay a lot less for bulk parts like the case, PSU, motherboard, and processor such that at lower price points (<$600 or so), it becomes uneconomical to build a PC from parts.
The customization options once available on most desktops and laptops are now gone.
I fondly remember getting HP to custom-build my old laptop...
 
@bwDraco Its "good enough"
and its 'simple'
 
The big question is whether Father even needs an i3.
 
And I'd think "not really"
 
I'm very tempted to go Pentium, but dropping to the G4400 comes at a big cost to iGPU performance.
 
3:43 AM
Do I just get a bottom-bin chip like the Celeron G3900 instead?
(2C/2T Skylake-S @ 2.8 GHz.)
 
has windows, the iGPU is 'good enough' for web browsing, has a ton of options for upgrades - mine has 8gb of ram, a msata SSD, 2.5 inch drive and the built in emmc....
as for the IGP, its happy handling 4k30
and you can reuse your current monitor (assuming it does HDMI) and many other periphrals.
 
Is el-cheapo Skylake even a good idea?
Bear in mind that even this processor is faster than this old K8 Athlon X2.
 
shrug Its going to be running web pages.
It would be good enough
hell, my dad runs a (gently upgraded) c2d from a decade ago.
 
Let's talk about this later, it's getting late.
I can't get exact machine specs right now.
Blah. I'll get the Pentium.
Cheap Celerons are rather scarce on the open market.
Newegg does not sell the part directly.
I honestly hate pinching pennies on the CPU.
My concern is going from GT2 to GT1 on the IGP (HD 530 to HD 510), which can visibly hurt desktop graphics performance considering that I'm losing half the EUs.
12 EUs doesn't exactly sound like a lot.
I don't know if I even want to reuse the aging GeForce GT 640 card from the old desktop.
Also, we're not even driving a 1080p display. I expect Father to reuse his 1680x1050 display.
I'll have to ask about graphics workloads tomorrow.
I kinda fear that getting the Celeron or Pentium is just asking for a wasteful CPU/GPU upgrade down the road...
(Wasteful in that we'd have to pay twice for the processor.)
 
4:11 AM
@bwDraco integrated graphics should handle that fine and processor is rarely a bottleneck
 
If only they'd ship the RX 460 faster...
This is precisely the sort of inexpensive graphics upgrade we're looking for.
(896 SPs in 14 of 16 CUs on Polaris 11 @ 1090-1200 MHz; 2 GB GDDR5 @ 7 Gbps.)
 
@bwDraco you could do what I did
build with the integrated graphics first
then upgrade if you find you need a better GPU
 
I don't want to put a Celeron in the machine and later have to swap it out for an i3 given that Father still has the occasional desire to game lightly on the system.
It's not just the IGP.
I guess I'll build with the i3 and add a discrete graphics card when if it becomes necessary.
 
yup
that sounds like a reasonable compromise
 
5:05 AM
What does DNS zones mean
If I host in one zone, it will get propagated right
 
Bob
5:21 AM
@bwDraco Dell still lets you customise
@bwDraco FYI I'm running a 515 on m3 and 1080p with no problems whatsoever
Movies, even games
Browser rendering is negligible
I think you vastly overestimate requirements
@JourneymanGeek @allquixotic game tomorrow?
@JourneymanGeek what was the microfiber cloth next to?
I'm in the big daiso now looking for it :P
 
whee, new ISP
 
5:38 AM
@Bob the hardware, cables and camera cases section usually
 
Good Morning!
 
@Bob most likely.
 
5:51 AM
This is awesome...
The thing is, in India, advertising cigarettes is illegal...
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek ^
 
yeah, usually around there or the other side of it
 
Bob
How big is the pack?
Can't find it :/
Also
 
That seems rather traumatic That I've never seen.
hmm. roughly half a4 and flat?
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek ^?
 
6:03 AM
naw, its in a fully enclosed pouch with a small 'touch me' hole.
That last bit sounds dirtier than one expected.
 
Bob
Lol
@JourneymanGeek ^?
 
no ._.
I have never seen any of these
 
Bob
Well I can't seem to find yours either! :P
 
This is what I love/hate about daiso
 
Bob
Any chance you could grab a photo next time you go there"
Oh, they're out of the FPs here too
:(
 
6:09 AM
WIll do
 
Bob
Thanks
 
Bob
6:21 AM
@JourneymanGeek ^?
That's three different places so far -_-
 
ooh
ALMOST
 
Bob
This one has a touch hole!
 
similar packaging
but buuuut
not as furry
 
Bob
:/
They have one coarse and one fine one
That's the fine one
In the kitchen section right now
 
this isn't fuzzy at all
 
6:24 AM
Mad Max is real youtu.be/lw_5gBDmhZA?t=60 slab city a shi|hole in low southern california. An abandoned military base was allowed to be squatted (allowed meaning anywhere else someone would be herassing you and running you off). Add on some "art" projects from trash, a few lunatics and some alcohol. They say it can run on thunderdome principals :-)
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek is it labeled as tablet/screen use?
 
iirc computer use
 
Bob
This one's... Not that fluffy
But it's labeled as kitchen :P
 
this has a kinda parallel weave on one side
 
Bob
Ah, I give up :(
@JourneymanGeek pretty sure they just don't have it here
 
6:33 AM
Right now
daiso tends to randomly change their product line
 
Bob
Yea... I want more of those FP ink packs :(
@JourneymanGeek I sometimes see two identical things in different packaging
Or they look slightly different but do the same thing
 
7:29 AM
Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
God made me handsome,
What happened to you??
xD
 
8:10 AM
My USBs are literally arranged that well...
 
nice
 
19,553,861 This message will get starred at least 119,553,861 times...
(Star it and see what happens)
 
Er... me thinks not
 
;p
 
 
1 hour later…
9:16 AM
UK residents have 42 minutes left to upgrade to Windows 10 ...
 
9:36 AM
:O
 
 
2 hours later…
cat
11:23 AM
@Rahul2001 I find that the best way to get messages started is to say something embarrassing and then say "don't star that"
 
!!/s/started/starred/
RIP @ChatBotJohnCavil
 
cat
Also
!! Caat
 
11:44 AM
I was rather surprised that a skylake pentium G4400 sufficed for almost all my gaming needs.
Intels IGPs really picked up from the last decade.
 
Bob
12:02 PM
@Hennes last decade they weren't even IGPs
well, not on-die anyway
 
On northbridge.
Which also no longer exists. North and south bridge these days are a single MCH
 
12:16 PM
What happened to @ChatBotJohnCavil
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek o.O
 
@Rahul2001 He needs a kick up the bum :)
 
cat
@Hennes also on die on SoCs
 
1:00 PM
@Bob: The 515 is GT2. The G4400 and below have 510, which is GT1. GT1 is much slower than GT2.
Father's old video card is slightly better than HD 530.
 
Bob
at the very least, they're close
 
1:25 PM
hi
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Bob
'lo
 
Bob
2:16 PM
still using the MS Band, @cat?
I'm eying the Pebble Time 2 :P
Wanted a Time Round but the short battery life...
 
2:58 PM
The northbridge is in the CPU. The southbridge is what is now the PCH.
 
3:44 PM
@CodeX Welcome to Root Access! How may we entertain you today?
 
Dance ?
 
That video involves dancing
 
Do any of you use 4k display
 
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Dancing is in their bones...
 
thanks
 
3:47 PM
hehehe
Oh, the upgrade to Windows 10 thingy has gone
lol
@CodeX Most of us do...
 
I still have dual 1080p
 
Do you use linux ? if you do ..do you face issues with scaling
 
I'm on Windows, but many regulars here use some form of Linux
 
ahan Windows .. congratulations on 1st anniversary
 
3:54 PM
The world's largest LAN party?
 
After watching it ... I understand .. Cubans wont be the smartest
 
That makes no sense
 
most live without internet
 
That has nothing whatsoever to do with smartness
 
yeah, Rahul would know.
 
4:16 PM
And I'm quadlingual
 
Is this a link-only answer? If so, how the hell is it a link-only answer?
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A: Windows 10 BitLocker on bootup presents just a blue screen but no password box or text.

ardaozkalTry using the command bfsvc.exe %windir%\boot /v in a CMD session started up as Admin, as stated here. This fixed the issues for me.

cc @Ramhound
It may be low effort, but I really can't add more relevant stuff. I have the solution and the steps for it there, and the source, however, It is not at all link-only.
 
yeah
 
Ramhound doesn't always have the best judgement...
 
unoriginal opinion
 
Maybe he meant to put it on the other answer
But that's definitely not a link-only answer
 
5:29 PM
Does anyone know if firefox has a cache URL?
like chrome://cache ?
 
The answer WAS a link-only answer check the revisions @Rahul2001
I hate ninja edits, what I hate more, ninja edits the lane comments like "my answer isn't a link-only answe"
 
This is the first revision, and it doesn't seem link-only to me?
 
i made the comment before the edit
@arda comes in saying "what are you talking about" after the edit was made.
 
Right, but if I'm seeing this right, the original revision wasn't link-only
 
@Rahul2001 about:cache
 
5:38 PM
@Rahul2001 what languages?
 
"Try using the command as stated here. This fixed the issues for me."
That would be link only.
@Ramhound
 
The current revision is much better but don't like the word games
I will delete the comment
 
can you have a female barber?
 
@Ramhound what word games? :/
 
5:43 PM
@Ramhound the original version of the answer wasn't link only either.
and I am pretty sure arda came here before the edit was made.
I mean, arda's comment precedes the edit timing.
 
@jokerdino That's what I just told him. I also told him what a link-only answer would look like, but of course @ramhound doesn't like admitting he's wrong :)
 
@Burgi yes, I have had my hair styled by women.
 
i've never had one before
woah no
someone who styles hair is a hairdresser
 
they don't like being called barber. They are hair stylists here.
 
"While "barber" does describe someone who cuts hair, it's not really a gender-neutral term. Barber is typically used to refer to a male who cuts the hair of other males. However, there are several terms used to describe women who cut hair."
"Terms for Women Who Cut Hair

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, women who cut hair are often called hairdressers, hairstylists, or simply stylists. "
@Burgi
 
5:46 PM
the two times ive paid some to cut my hair since my teens was both at hair dressers
 
@DavidPostill sometime, it's hard to be in the minority and not in the right side of the argument.
 
females
 
@djsmiley2k I do my own (a #1 followed by a razor). I'm not paying somebody 10 quid when I only have a few hairs left :)
 
well in my regular barbers shop they had a female barber, she's done a really good job and i was only marginally less fearful than i am normally
 
5:48 PM
then again said users attitude on the profile is showing too
 
just a small question
how torrent works ?
 
magic and pixies
 
thats pretty big lol
 
@djsmiley2k it's OK to be afraid of the unknown.
 
lol
 
5:49 PM
@AnmolRaghuvanshiVersion2.0 This page might help: howtogeek.com/141257/htg-explains-how-does-bittorrent-work
If you have more specific questions, we can help ;)
 
that name is like an iceberg.
 
lol
 
'I' e never had a failed project' ?
 
What I want to know is what does "I have the follow conditionals." mean?
 
@BenN how is babby formed?
 
5:50 PM
@DavidPostill My best guess is "I have these if statements"
 
i think @cat should get a super long name like that next time
 
if i have 760 kb/s internet plan downloading speed shows 2.5 mb/s how's that?
 
anmagic...
 
One is probably in bits, the other in bytes
 
@BenN lol
 
5:51 PM
lies and damned statistics
 
@AnmolRaghuvanshiVersion2.0 That is not a small question :)
 
@DavidPostill the question is, the answer and concept may not be.
 
@DavidPostill I will admit when I am wrong. I was wrong in this case.
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@DavidPostill :) sorry any link for that will help
 
Current revision is still better through
 
5:53 PM
wow
 
I am a little grumpy because my system crashed on my over a week ago
 
All good :)
 
just having discussion so came up with question
 
Historic.
 
@jokerdino really?
Going to be that type of person?
 
5:54 PM
yes, the same type as that other person.
 
I have many things I could say to that type of comment but I won't.
 
so.... german grand prix
 
@Ramhound Please don't tease us ;)
 
...
 
@DavidPostill I've been to barbers and hairdressers and there's definitely a difference in the look and feel of the office
 
5:55 PM
nearly piqued my interest.
 
The last time I said what I was thinking.... Nevermind
I hate HDDs
I really really do
 
What happened?
 
There is also a certain kind of hypocrisy when you do what you call me out on.
 
System was running fine, rebooted, twirling circle for 10 minutes then recovery loop
 
5:57 PM
@DavidPostill IMO, barbers are cheaper than hairdressers.
 
yes
 
I am a complex creature
Fully of hypocrisy but don't expect it from anyone else
 
systems dying is :(
 
brb
 
should i quesytion if uve got backups at least?
 
5:58 PM
Is the disk dying, or did the OS just get messed up?
 
I think a combination of both
 
@jokerdino Read the linky, they need less training ...
 
But hdd was healthy
 
@Ramhound I loathe computers and our casual acceptance of just how crap and unreliable they are.
 
I have backups but not recent, 3 day event
So I put it ofd
Off...
 
5:59 PM
@DavidPostill talking from my experience where the price changes based on the branding of the shop here.
 
This has happen before. This time got myself a shiny 6TB Black
Hopefully I can recover what I care about. Installation of programs is going to suck
I really don't want to take ownership of files but I might have to depending if the hdd crashes on me or not which seemed to happen
But data appears to be there within Acronis
So who knows....
Upset my USB drive I though had Windows 10 on it isn't booting. Must not have what I thought it did
 
urgh
i need to update my backup scripts now i have the room
 
I wish I didn't spend money on USB externals and just got myself a Drobo
Might get myself a tax present in January lol
Alright well I am confused
 
I'd prefer to build my own NAS appliance.
 
Yeah UnRAID looks nice but heard really good things about Drobo
i am stumped. Got a USB Windows 10 EFI drive but my computer skips over it to my legacy hdd
 
6:08 PM
Is your UEFI/BIOS set to Legacy only?
 
I bet I know what's wrong media tool is to smart for its owngood
Bloody hell
Don't have enough free room on my laptop, lol
The computer gods must be angry
2
5 Guys + Jason Bourne = good distraction
Oh and I feel for everyone that has ever worked a swing shift
typical do disk clean, see I can remove previous version of windows, proceed to backup windows.old minus Windows and ended up closing the tool, lol
 
7:11 PM
bloody hell microsofts testbenc h website isn't working
anyone know wha thappen to it?
Tech bench I should say
looks like my answer to download Windows 7 has been made irrelvant
which is annyoing
 
7:38 PM
it works fine . . . if you want the win10 the only option they allow
 
7:49 PM
I hate mowing the lawn but with dogs they have to have some place to go to the bathroom. I am thinking about inventing a new fertalizer/enzyme that will solve both problems dog poo and mowing. It will be called "Eat Shit and Die"
 
lol
 
MS has closed the doors to windows 10 and condemned me to the darkening halls of windows 7.... debian here we go!
2
 
u were lazy
 
@Psycogeek no there was a Windows 10 tech bench website, the URL I have for it, is 404
 
I was at 97% used memory a few minutes ago
 
8:04 PM
but you can still get to it by viewing the Windows 10 download website on something other then Windows or force it in IE/Firefox:Chrome
 
If you feel offended by that please send RAM, by bitcoin or torrent pls
 
Which makes my answer more complicated now lol
Grrrr
Can't tell if I am booting to my new hdd or not, lol
Looks like I am :-)
 
@Ramhound bcdedit /enum will tell you
 
Although something gave me hope. Will use my new HDD as a test bed
Don't have a working OS
So hard to do :-)
 
Ah
 
8:13 PM
It's attempting to select my old installation which tells me I didn't install in non-Legacy mode crude
More work...
 
8:33 PM
Fudge. I had my other OS visible so Windows keeps asking if I want to boot to my other installation
Wonderful!
I hope that didn't change me other hdd also.
Slower than molasses
<sigh>
 
8:50 PM
Will Ubuntu respect and keep file permissions as they are but allow me to copy things that I might not otherwise have access to?
Or should I use a profile transfer program or will that itself require permissions?
 
9:01 PM
IIRC Ubuntu just ignores NTFS permissions and doesn't maintain them when you copy stuff, though I don't know what permissions you'd end up with
 
I know it ignores it but wasn't sure if it would change it
I might have a solution.
Going to try a tool to convert MBR to GPT on this new installation cause I am lazy and don't want to install again. Lol
 
9:36 PM
is ugly but it works now, the 50Watt shop light, that is equivelent to a 300W incan one
 
9:49 PM
weighs 2pounds or under 1kilo
3 modes, night light using ~7Watt which would almost make a porch light, and would run forever. 35Watt running the leds medium. and 55watt.
in 28c temps the parts stay below 80* C, could use a tiny breeze from a fan or proper fins.
 
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