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That Brazilian Guy

12:00 AM

We're playing "skip an annoying thing to do a painful thing", right?

cat

@ThatBrazilianGuy ...

That Brazilian Guy

@cat My boss would be disappointed if I ever did that. Not skip work, I mean. Install Windows. ;p

Ariane

@Bob I didn't figure a basic game like that was heavy on the processor. However since it's 3D and all I thought if there was a bottle neck, it'd be the graphics card.

Ben N

Vic^H^H^HMachine number 3 is at 92% in the Windows 10 WinPE stage

Ariane

@ThatBrazilianGuy Your boss likes Mac OS a lot?

That Brazilian Guy

12:06 AM

@Ariane Dunno. Maybe he does. I think he owns a Mac, but they're quite rare here out of graphic work and some web designers and DJs.

Nearly everything we do at work is on Linux

Ariane

@ThatBrazilianGuy People actually use Linux on desktop machines? And choose to do so?

Bob

@Ariane Eh... not really 3D in the traditional sense

That Brazilian Guy

Ariane

@Bob No?

@ThatBrazilianGuy Shock! Also the lack of a taskbar is kinda disrupting.

Journeyman Geek

@Ariane I've done that in the past.

That Brazilian Guy

12:10 AM

@Ariane Apart from less compatibility with games and creative suites such as Adobe, what's wrong with using Linux on the desktop?

Ariane

Done what?

Ben N

Is Ubuntu generally a stable distro? I've had terrible experiences with it

That Brazilian Guy

@Ariane Used Linux, I assume

Bob

@Ariane What was your old GPU?

@BenN If you don't poke it too hard.

That Brazilian Guy

@BenN It usually is, at least I never had too much problem with it. I'm more satisfied with Fedora, plus it's consistent with what I use at work.

Bob

12:10 AM

If you poke Ubuntu too hard, it starts poking back.

Journeyman Geek

Run Linux as a desktop os. My secondary desktop PC is Fedora.

Ariane

@ThatBrazilianGuy It's rare and although I have close to no experience with it, it sounds like a pain altogether.

Ben N

All I did was install it and run the Software Updater like it asked, then it kernel-panicked at the next boot

That Brazilian Guy

@Ariane There are taskbarish items at the left, and at the top areas

Journeyman Geek

I run KDE , it's more windows like

Bob

12:11 AM

@Ariane IIRC, the few "3D" aspects are very simple. Just about everything (even pure-2D) uses a 3D rendering engine these days, but that doesn't any of it particularly expensive.

That Brazilian Guy

@Ariane Actually, once I started using it at work I started using it much, much more at home and windows less and less and now I wonder what took me so long

Ariane

@ThatBrazilianGuy I seeee.

That Brazilian Guy

Package management (aka updating stuff) is so simple compared to Windows

Bob

Oh hell no.

Ariane

@bob My old GPU was EVGA GTX 660 Ti 3GB.

Bob

12:12 AM

Package management is only "simple" until you get into a dependency nightmare.

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That Brazilian Guy

@Bob Been there. It's rare. Seen it maybe twice in 3 years or more.

Ariane

@ThatBrazilianGuy Updating applications ? Really? Whenever I see a JS/PHP/etc thing that works with package management (Bower, etc.) I just go "UGH, GIMME A ZIP" and go away.

That Brazilian Guy

Windows: some stuff use Windows Update. Some stuff popup a warning of a new version. Some stuff run an updater all the time on the taskbar. Some stuff force you to go to their site. Some stuff install a service just for checking. Some stuff...

Linux: sudo dnf update

@Ariane I have no experience with bower, gulp, grunt, composer, node, etc (I should / wish I did, but I don't.)

Bob

@ThatBrazilianGuy Only if you never ever venture outside the specific packages the OS vendor provides (and even there I've seen issues). God forbid you ever want to install an actually up-to-date package...

Ben N

When I tried Kali Linux (for a class), whenever I tried to update stuff it would just fail with bizarre errors

Journeyman Geek

12:15 AM

Kali is simply bizarre.

Ben N

Yeah it seemed pretty broken TBH

That Brazilian Guy

@BenN I've used Ubuntu, Fedora and Debian without nearly any issues.

Ariane

@ThatBrazilianGuy Now that you mention it, it would be nice if apps came from a sort of Play Store-like thing. Would probably make updates easier.

That Brazilian Guy

@Bob At work at some point I had a dozen unofficial repos / PPAs / stuff and nothing ever broke.

Bob

I've been running Debian on servers for a while - it's much more stable than Ubuntu, but even then has its own issues.

Ran Ubuntu in VMs.

Broke many VMs due to stuffed up packages.

That Brazilian Guy

12:17 AM

@Ariane Most Linux distros does just that, as a frontend wrapper for their package management system. You don't even have to use the CLI.

Bob

Restored many snapshots.

Ariane

@ThatBrazilianGuy One of my friends tried it once. Never tried again, and he's very angry whenever he sees that sorta thing. Especially since we work in web. Who the fuck needs package management for JS plugins? D:

That Brazilian Guy

@Ariane "It" what? Linux?

Bob

@Ariane Eh, depends on the implementation I suppose.

Ariane

@ThatBrazilianGuy Sounds practical. Windows should learn.

@ThatBrazilianGuy Package management for PHP/JS/etc.

Bob

12:18 AM

npm is ... the simple stuff works but again anything complex becomes a dependency nightmare

nuget (for C#) is actually pretty nice, as long as you never uninstall a package or update out of order. see: dependency nightmare

That Brazilian Guy

@Ariane They are learning. First they had chocolatey (unofficial), then nuget / oneget oficially.

Ariane

@ThatBrazilianGuy What? Who?

Ben N

MS

Bob

Funnily enough the most robust solution I've seen is Windows' SxS.

Ben N

NuGet is integrated into Visual Studio

WinSxS/CBS is actually really awesome

Bob

12:19 AM

Of course, it's robust by virtue of keeping a million copies of every single version you've ever installed.

Ben N

Fortunately, some of those copies are actually hardlinks

That Brazilian Guy

@Ariane Microsoft adopted a CLI package management for Windows called OneGet based on a project called Nuget. I think it comes with Windows 10.

Bob

@BenN Oh, I don't mean the identical/hardlinked ones. Just that you have many versions installed at once.

Ariane

I don't even know what Chocolatey, Nuget and Oneget are. They manage Windows updates? Also why CLI?

Ben N

Ah. Yes, it does keep a lot of versions. I am legit super impressed by the fact that you can pick and choose updates to uninstall and nothing will break

That Brazilian Guy

12:21 AM

@Ariane Microsoft is also porting Bash (one flavour of Linux CLI) to Windows. Natively.

Ariane

@ThatBrazilianGuy Is that .bat files?

Ben N

Also the whole role/feature system for servers generally works really well, except for WSUS, which is broken in other ways too

Bob

@BenN Nothing will break as long as you keep the installer cache*

Ben N

@Ariane No, Bash is the normal commandline thingy for lots of Linux systems; its scripts are generally called .sh

Ariane

Oh, it's the thing where you do "sudo something"?

Ben N

12:22 AM

Pretty much

Bob

@ThatBrazilianGuy Eh, Windows NT had a fully POSIX-compliant subsystem.

Heck, that subsystem existed up till 8.

That Brazilian Guy

@Bob Never knew it

Ben N

NTFS still supports case sensitivity, though I'm pretty sure most Windows components don't support it

As in, you can turn on case sensitivity in the Registry if you want to break your computer

Bob

Funny that Windows NT to 8 were actually more POSIX-compliant than Linux ever was, as far as certification goes.

That Brazilian Guy

@BenN So that's why I can have two files named FileName.ext and filename.ext on my NTFS partition of my Linux fileserver!

Bob

12:26 AM

Both OS X/macOS and Windows <=8 w/ SUA were UNIX/POSIX-certified respectively, while I don't think any Linux distro ever was :P

Ariane

POSIX. Never heard of that.

That Brazilian Guy

!!wiki POSIX

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POSIX

The Portable Operating System Interface (POSIX) is a family of standards specified by the IEEE Computer Society for maintaining compatibility between operating systems. POSIX defines the application programming interface (API), along with command line shells and utility interfaces, for software compatibility with variants of Unix and other operating systems. == NameEdit == Originally, the name "POSIX" referred to IEEE Std 1003.1-1988, released in 1988. The family of POSIX standards is formally designated as IEEE 1003 and the international standard name is ISO/IEC 9945. The standards emerged from...

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I THINK one of them was

That Brazilian Guy

OK, that's not particularly enlightening

Journeyman Geek

12:29 AM

ahh, my memory is incorrect

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Kinda hard to when the kernel itself isn't compliant? afaik anyway

differences in 2003: personal.opengroup.org/~ajosey/tr28-07-2003.txt

Journeyman Geek

@Ariane easier to script

the idea behind nuget support is so you can automate deployment for something like nano server

Ariane

....I see.

Journeyman Geek

or you can run a script post install that automatically pulls in the latest (or specific) versions of any application that has a nuget/oneget repo

Ariane

Sounds like that could easily work in GUI though

Bob

12:36 AM

@Ariane Nano doesn't have a GUI

also, scripted installs are much easier and more reproducible when you're installing over a few hundred servers.

Journeyman Geek

yup

@Ariane someone could write one as a wrapper

Ariane

True, true.

Journeyman Geek

1:07 AM

ugh. Enumeration is lame

Filling in a job application which extracted my degree correctly. Then refused to let me proceed cause it wasn't in their list. Likewise with my diploma. Recognised the course not the school

ooh, these guys were painless.

"Phone number? Name? How much money you want? resume? OK! If you don't hear in a month, we didn't pick you"

@ThatBrazilianGuy I have a google voice number - grandfathered in from grand central

You need a US phone number - back in the day I used IPKALL (which isn't free any more) and some free SIP server

cat

1:26 AM

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Journeyman Geek

1:57 AM

@Hennes meta.superuser.com/questions/11662/… for your attention

That Brazilian Guy

2:08 AM

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, I have a page with lots of those.

google.com/voice#phones Shows only "Google Chat" as a phone option

There's no "get new number" or "add new number"

But maybe because I'm on a brazilian IP

Journeyman Geek

@ThatBrazilianGuy tunnelbear works well for that

That Brazilian Guy

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40 secs ago, by That Brazilian Guy

@GuitarShoeDave I do have one in the USA.

Journeyman Geek

Bob

wait, what do you people use US numbers for? o.O

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I had it as a alternate contact for an IRC server I used to admin

also cause I could

Bob

2:16 AM

o.O

That Brazilian Guy

@Bob Do I need to use it for something? I just want to set up and configure stuff!

Purpose is for normal people. Geeks just want to tinker around!

Journeyman Geek

@Bob same reason I had an IRC server, a discourse instance, a matrix server, run my own webserver....

bwDraco

2:29 AM

@Ariane I actually run a Linux desktop in the cloud.

Problem is that it takes a lot of bandwidth to get a good VNC experience.

Bob

and it stops working when it rains?

bwDraco

@Bob No, that's not the issue. It's just that we don't have a good Internet link to take full advantage of it.

Linode (my cloud hosting provider) provides plenty of transit so I'm not worried about an overage (which in any case is a mere $0.02 per GB).

Bob

@bwDraco it's a joke/pun... cloud => rain, and copper lines => rain

bwDraco

lol

Bob

> Microsoft Authenticator

o.O that's a thing now?

bwDraco

2:44 AM

Scaled back the cloud desktop server because I don't use it that much these days. If I need the extra compute provided by the larger instance, I'll happily scale back up.

That's the beauty of cloud. You can scale up or down as needed to meet your workload while reducing costs.

Will be AFK, taking a bath.

My workloads are pretty much never limited by RAM.

Compute is the main limiting factor, and for the time being, I don't see any real pressure.

Rahul2001

4:42 AM

Mornin'!

Psycogeek

what's the point: dude says get a shredder so all your statements and bills and stuff dont just go in the trash (recycle bin). They steal the mail right out of the mailbox, before I even see it. (happens rarely but it would be rare anyone going through the trash)

Bob

7:22 AM

@Rahul2001 ah, I forgot to look at your thing last night :P

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