Root Access

Turn on your computer so that your current version of Windows starts normally, and then do one of the following:

If you downloaded Windows 7, browse to the installation file you downloaded, and then double-click it (often identified as an Application file under the Type column).

If you have a Windows 7 installation disc, insert the disc into your computer. Setup should start automatically. If it doesn't, click the Start button, click Computer, double-click your DVD drive to open the Windows 7 installation disc, and then double-click setup.exe.

Bob

o.O

@RoXaS Follow the Windows 8 one

sorry about that

allquixotic

...maybe last.fm was right

I like the album sure, but it's not the usual "tone" of music I listen to ;p too happy :P

Bob

6:13 PM

o.O

yea, I tend to go towards the happier music

well, I did last year

lol

more recently...

Its installing

spotify:track:4oLUveWSnU2IGxtXfnTOdc

RoXaS

That does nothing for me

Bob

6:15 PM

lol

open.spotify.com/track/4oLUveWSnU2IGxtXfnTOdc

RoXaS

Meaning thats not a link for me

allquixotic

for the same type of artist and genre as this (which isn't the only type I listen to), (female PYT pop singer), I tend to go for like:
Marie Digby - Better Off Alone
Sara Bareilles - Gravity
Brandi Carlile - If There Was No You
... and less of Ingrid Michaelson - Girls Chase Boys ;p

Bob

the Japanese vocals flow better though

allquixotic

I also listen to male singers :P which seems to be somewhat of a less popular thing for adult males of my generation for some reason @_@

Bob

@allquixotic raises hand

allquixotic

6:18 PM

U2 - Moment Of Surrender
30 Seconds to Mars - City of Angels
Boyce Avenue - The Scientist
Josh Groban - Galileo
Sylvan - Vapour Trail
//deliberately avoiding non-English songs ;p

Bob

I dunno. Had a couple of stints with Adam Lambert, Bruno Mars, Guy Sebastian and Muse in the past.

RoXaS

@allquixotic DAVE GROHL

<#

<3

allquixotic

looking at my music lists.. probably about 45% female, 55% male

Bob

I tend to go for full album (or artist) collections, rather than individual song playlists.

Especially for Muse. Those are meant to be played in order.

allquixotic

though I love male/female duets

RoXaS

6:19 PM

I pluck songs from everywhere

I also find it rather unconvenient that most music apps and software start by artist

allquixotic

same

RoXaS

But for people like you thats nice then

Bob

@RoXaS Heh, Spotify is per album.

allquixotic

I often listen to my "Starred" playlist on Spotify, but I also listen to individual albums sequentially sometimes

Sylvan is a terrible artist... IF you don't listen to it sequentially from start to finish

RoXaS

Google play music has a thumbs up playlist

allquixotic

6:20 PM

it's like a single 60-minute song broken up into bits and named

Bob

I've been starring more lately, but the songs on the list are just too different to listen to together.

RoXaS

so i thumb upped everything that I liked ever

allquixotic

I tend to start off by listening to my star list to get me in the mood for something (on Shuffle). then I'll wander over to that artist and listen to one of their albums.

Bob

@allquixotic Just skipped through a couple of the songs you mentioned. I like them :)

RoXaS

I tent to listen to this at work

Helpps me concentrate

►

Bob

6:22 PM

Hm. I want to start doing that.

But I'm honestly not sure if it's acceptable in my workplace.

allquixotic

I find that male Spanish traditional pop makes me concentrate at work @_@ don't ask me why

unless the song is too slow, then it puts me to sleep :D

Bob

RoXaS

@allquixotic Bibir la vida loca

@Bob Yeah i had that

Bob

@allquixotic Huh, good idea.

allquixotic

@RoXaS traditional pop, not that crap!

Bob

6:23 PM

lol

RoXaS

@allquixotic La camisa negra

allquixotic

traditional pop = vocal focused, usually full symphony accompaniment, heavy on the harmony, generally slow pace almost like jazz but less brass

like: Dyango - Morir de Amor

that's one of my favorite songs of late ;p

and favorite genres

RoXaS

@allquixotic youtube.com/watch?v=SVoNefPBoL0 << This is the original version that a dutch guy made a ccompletely different song with youtube.com/watch?v=UrQ_yMqbFlM

allquixotic

it's like jazz but s/brass/strings/g and with harmonic vocals ;p

Bob

I'm going to try to get some sleep (and convince myself not to buy that first-gen Nexus 7 refurb, ~$100).

allquixotic

6:25 PM

then I'll randomly just decide to hop into Lana del Rey and have her verbally/vocally f--- me

that's what the album sounds like, I swear @_@

Bob

'night. Good luck with the install, @RoXaS - I don't think we can expect any more problems.

RoXaS

@Bob So far so good

Just dont know what the bootswitcher will be like

allquixotic

@Bob don't!

first gen N7 has major NAND problems

get second gen at least

Bob

@allquixotic huh?

allquixotic

@Bob first-gen N7 NAND slows to a crawl with even light usage over a period of a few months

it's documented fact ;p

Bob

6:27 PM

o.O

noted. I'll avoid it then, thanks.

allquixotic

get the second-gen ;p

Bob

too expensive at the moment :P

allquixotic

note: I'm not suggesting you don't spend money, just that you don't spend money on crap

Bob

and I really don't need it

Boris_yo

What comes first - 3D rendering or 3D modeling?

RoXaS

6:28 PM

Modelling

Bob

You render models. Without models, you have nothing to render.

allquixotic

Chuck Norris just renders and the models come into existence for him as he does

RoXaS

Bob

waitwaitwait, Panasonic smartphone?!

RoXaS

will I get bootloader similar to grub or something to switch?

allquixotic

6:30 PM

Pana!!noic smartphone

Bob

@RoXaS BOOTMGR (the Windows bootloader) can handle OS selection just fine

Boris_yo

So I pay for one and another? I can't have 1 person do modeling and another 3D render of that model?

RoXaS

@Bob Okay i have faith

allquixotic

@Boris_yo sure you can, but you have to have a model to render first, unless your name is ChuckNorris_yo

Bob

5

Q: How to change the default delay on the boot menu from 30 seconds to 5 seconds on windows 8

I saw my friend's computer wait for only 5 seconds on the boot menu screen (where you select which OS to boot), while mine delays for 30 seconds. How can I change this?

windows-8

you can also launch msconfig.exe

Boris_yo

6:32 PM

Bob

Visual BCD Editor and EasyBCD can also modify these

RoXaS

@allquixotic oh god no drivers!!

Bob

I prefer the former

@allquixotic theverge.com/2014/9/15/6151671/…

allquixotic

> cameraphone

(from the URL)

!!wat

ChatBot John Cavil

allquixotic

6:33 PM

so it's a camera first, then a smartphone? no thanks

though, I know some people at work who would buy it and be like "OMG LOOK AT MY MEGAPIXULLZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111oneoneoneone" while waiting 5 minutes for their web browser to start.

Bob

@allquixotic it's more the bulkiness; high quality cameras can't really skimp on the CPU/GPU

2cm thick o.O

900 euros WHAT

allquixotic

they really skimped on the battery though :P

Bob

2,600mAh battery... that's a joke

RoXaS

@Bob it jsut boots into my old boot

Bob

about the same as my S4

allquixotic

6:35 PM

and why no 3 GB RAM?

and we're still doing this 16 GB NAND shit? seriously?

Bob

@RoXaS can you see the partition containing the new install?

allquixotic

David After Panasonic
"Is this real life? Is this going to be forever?" (in reference to 16 GB NAND)

RoXaS

@Bob From where?

Bob

@RoXaS from the old install you booted into

RoXaS

it randomly boots into one

Bob

6:37 PM

... O_O

Mokubai

@Boris_yo rendering is the final stage that doesn't really need a human at all, it just needs brute CPU power. You could have one person modelling individual items, an another laying them out in the scene and doing the work of animating (moving) the items and then rendering is just passing the scene and animation data off to a computer to do all the processing work...

Bob

when you're in one, go msconfig and look at the boot tab

RoXaS

@Bob both drives are visible

Bob

@RoXaS what's the timeout

allquixotic

@Mokubai however, if he's totally ignorant of the process to do it, he may need a human to have the know-how and software license(s) to actually perform the rendering :P

RoXaS

6:39 PM

@Bob 30 seconds

Bob

@RoXaS sure you're not hitting a key during boot?

RoXaS

yes

Mokubai

@allquixotic This is true/

Bob

@RoXaS so how many times have you tried rebooting?

Boris_yo

@Mokubai How brute CPU power must be? And does it impact polygons/details of rendered model making it more realistic?

RoXaS

6:40 PM

@Bob Also the new installation doesnt set screen resolution

@Bob this will be 3 3th time

Bob

@RoXaS you need to install video card drivers for that

@RoXaS you can't make conclusions from a sample size of 2 -_-

RoXaS

@Bob Yeah I figured

allquixotic

the thirth time? I like that

RoXaS

@Bob Now its loads the new one again

allquixotic

firth, secoth, thirth, fourth, fifth... nice and consistent

RoXaS

6:41 PM

@allquixotic 3th time's the charm right

Bob

@RoXaS so, what did it load the first and second times?

RoXaS

First old one

Second new one

Third New one

Bob

so, fourth new one as well?

do you see the selection menu?

RoXaS

@Bob never have i seen any selection

Bob

o.O

RoXaS

6:42 PM

Also msconfig boot tab only lists one

Bob

ah.

you somehow ended up with two independent bootloaders

RoXaS

Awesome

Why have one when you can have 2!

Mokubai

@Boris_yo It's almost impossible to say how powerful a CPU you need. It depends on what package, how detailed the scene is, what post-processing effects are needed (to improve photorealism) and so on. To make modern animated movies they use entire farms of computers to do the rendering. For the TV series spin offs they sacrifice quality of animation for speed of rendering so they can bust it out faster. It's all dependant on what you want to achieve.

Bob

welp. quick patch-fix-thingy: find out what the other OS's drive letter is, and cmd as admin bcdboot Drive:\Windows

RoXaS

@Mokubai CPU??? rendering is dont by a GPU hopefully

allquixotic

6:44 PM

!! s/computers/EC2 spot instances/

Bob

as long as your BIOS boot order remains consistent, this should be fine from then on

ChatBot John Cavil

Server error (status 500) occured (message probably too long)

allquixotic

(probably ;p)

RoXaS

@Bob 4th time i tried hitting f2 for boot order, but i was too late and now it booted the new one with correct resolution however

allquixotic

why maintain a farm of expensive computers that you have to upgrade every 2 years when you can just use an EC2 cluster? and shut it down when it's not doing any work, and it's free :)

RoXaS

6:45 PM

...

Bob

1 min ago, by Bob

welp. quick patch-fix-thingy: find out what the other OS's drive letter is, and cmd as admin bcdboot Drive:\Windows

that'll add the old OS to the new bootloader

then you should see the selection menu

RoXaS

@Bob So say I'm in the new one, I add bcdboot D:\Windows

Mokubai

@RoXaS I started out thinking about the original Toy Story film... but yeah, these days GPU render farms or as @allquixotic rightly points out some kind of disposable processing power for the animation

but the rendering itself is less man-time and more computer-time

Bob

@RoXaS yep

RoXaS

It says it fails

Boris_yo

6:47 PM

@Mokubai Like this:

Mokubai

it's the modelling and scene animation that needs man-hours

Boris_yo

Versus this?

RoXaS

@Bob Failure attempting to copy boot files

Bob

sigh

RoXaS

@Bob Are you getting tired of me already?

Bob

6:48 PM

@RoXaS wait, did you run as admin?

RoXaS

EEhm nope

lemme do thatr

Bob

lol

I was hoping it was simple :P

RoXaS

Yaay

xD

there are 2 now

allquixotic

@Mokubai would be cool if they had a distributed render-farm program that could give each frame to a separate compute node, then fire up a cluster of like 500 GPU instances of EC2 for 1 hour, render everything, collate, shut down :D

wonder if anyone actually does that

RoXaS

@Bob although still no switch screen thingy

allquixotic

6:51 PM

wonder how many GPU instances Amazon actually has. would be funny if you tried to get some instances and ${OTHER_STUDIO} was already hogging them all and you had to wait for them

Mokubai

@Boris_yo chances are that Avatar took an order of magnitude more processing power than Cloudy, and probably more time modelling, texturing and animating. Neither could be rendered quickly on a generic home computer.

Bob

@RoXaS go back to msconfig, verify that it's a 32-second delay

RoXaS

@Bob sigh its back to one listed

Bob

...wut

RoXaS

@Bob I hard reset

Could that be the issue?

Bob

6:53 PM

I'm confused now. Why would you do that?

Mokubai

@allquixotic I didn't know you could get EC2 instances for free... wonder how much it costs after a year...

RoXaS

@Bob I meant pressing the off buttons till the lights stop

ChatBot John Cavil

HAMMERTIME!

RoXaS

@Bob redid the bcdboot thing

Bob

@RoXaS Why not shutdown normally?

@RoXaS Ok, this time, make sure you use the restart

not shut down

RoXaS

6:55 PM

@Bob I felt lazy

i set the delay to 31

Mokubai

So does saying stop mean it's

RoXaS

and did apply

Bob

remember Windows 8 shutdown actually logs off and hibernates

RoXaS

closed msconfig

it asked me to restart

Bob

so you can't change OSes without using restart

RoXaS

6:55 PM

Yeag got it

Bob

@RoXaS well, I wouldn't be surprised if the BCD is rolled back if shutdown/startup fails

RoXaS

They are nammed excactly the same

but i cen choose now

can

Thanks Gandalf

Boris_yo

@Mokubai For me it was Final Fantasy with great CGI before Avatar.

Bob

@RoXaS you can rename with bcdedit, Visual BCD Editor or EasyBCD

RoXaS

cool

Bob

6:58 PM

bcdedit /sec description "some new name" for the currently booted OS

RoXaS

@Bob Thanks man... If you reply on that mailadress I will still owe you a pizza

Bob

lol, again, thanks for the offer, but it's not necessary

and with that said I really do need some sleep

bye

RoXaS

@Bob Well anytime you need a pizza remember there's a guy in the netherlands owing you one

allquixotic

we should keep track of how many pizzas people owe us

rlemon owes me one (or two)

Canadian Luke

@allquixotic owes me three (or four)

I think I came back at the right time :)

allquixotic

7:06 PM

wait, I owe you pizzas?

since when?!

oh, I get it. when people in Canada get helped by people elsewhere, they then "thank" that person by demanding pizza from them.

nhinkle

7:17 PM

What.

I want pizza.

allquixotic

7:36 PM

@nhinkle then move to Canada and get some help from someone here

nhinkle

Apparently that's the trick!

Boris_yo

@Mokubai I have been checking portfolios of 3D modellers and renderers and surprisingly some products are very real while other are not. Why is that?

Mokubai

@Boris_yo I don't get what you mean. What products are not real?

Canadian Luke

@allquixotic I get pizza cause of how much I helped you... <shifty eyes>

allquixotic

@CanadianLuke when was this ?!

Canadian Luke

7:53 PM

I'm sure somewhere back there... Maybe a long time ago... In chat... Or a question on SU...

AHHH! THAT'S IT!

I helped beta test/break your bot :)

So you could learn, you see...

allquixotic

bah. lies.

it's well-established fact that you only come here when you need to help vampire, so, by logical deduction, you can't ever have helped me, since you were here to receive help only

!!;p

ChatBot John Cavil

Canadian Luke

Fine, you owe me for taking away my !!godmode function :P

allquixotic

@Bob Fifty Shaders - The Blower's Daughter (Damien Rice cover)

maybe you like

Canadian Luke

I'll have to sign up for it after lunch... BRB

allquixotic

8:01 PM

you're Bob? okay.png

Michael Frank

8:48 PM

@Mokubai I think he means that some peoples renders look real, while others are obviously a 3D render.

allquixotic

9:17 PM

@Bob Holy crap O_O My company just deployed a company-wide app that everyone will have to use (6 figs # of employees) that deploys itself using a generic Microsoft ClickOnce page, appears to run on the .NET 1.1 CLR, then... asks you to log in using a WebBrowser control. You can't make this shit up.

Also, the download is like 70 MB, and it downloads a massive cache file once you login.

The only thing it appears to semi-sanely do is that it doesn't require admin rights to get it running. But still, this is braindead stupid. How hard is it to write a web app?

It seems that once you log in, the UI it displays is some kind of custom UI that's desktop-based (OK, so it's not just a simple Web UI in a browser control...), and it communicates with the backend using WCF (it displays the URL of the WSDL in the window :D)

allquixotic

9:50 PM

lol. the application lets you define your "skills" and offers 3 levels of competency: Experienced, Advanced, and Expert. and it has "nursing" right next to "node.js" in the list :D

everything from "Physics" to "Perl"; "Application Lifecycle Management" to "Apple"; "C" to "Catheters"

lol, there's "Nuclear Engineering" and "Wargames" in here too

oh good lord, now I'm very afraid... they have "Software" as an option O___O shall I proclaim to be "Expert" in "Software"??? ALL SOFTWARE???

Michael Frank

Yes, do it.

allquixotic

We got everything! From Dentistry to DevOps!

How can you be an expert at a company? they list "Citrix"...

oh geez. the data set isn't clean, either.

"Functional testing" and "Functional Testing" (with a capital T) both exist

this thing is so full of win :D They have "Nintendo Wii" in there!

> plays games
earns valuable skills for company

"Know how transactions are enforced by app servers"?

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