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@allquixotic Please disable the greeting. Annoying every user joining the official Super User room and pretending that a bot that calculates fuckability is an official part of the chat is not acceptable. If someone knows about the bot and talks to it fine, but an auto-greeting is crossing the line. And please reconsider the /fuckable command.
I have suspended the bot for now, let me (or another moderator) know when the greeting is off.
@balpha I don't know much about how the bot works - haven't had much time to spend in this room since its inception - but I do believe anybody can teach it (and make it forget) commands, so the commands you took exception to likely aren't a built-in feature per se. FWIW.
If I'm correct, that bot can forget commands, but can't learn commands (the del permission controlling who can make it forget stuff), really do want to reconsider /fuckable
Based on the algorithm there, I'm thinking they could just rename it to "acceptable to date" or something... isn't that the generic thing about if somebody's within a certain age range and some factor then they are/aren't socially acceptable as a partner?
Can laptop motherboards have UMA / IGP graphics? While such today are located on processor's die, I want to know if those are also built into motherboard.
I use Windows 7 and when downloading with Google Chrome the icon in the taskbar has a partially green background that indicates the download progress. Is there a way to not show this green status indicator in the Windows taskbar? I find it distracting when I am working. It seems there is no op...
@JourneymanGeek The N56U (not on the compat table) seems to use Ralink hardware, while the N66U, AC56U and AC66U (all listed on ddwrt's compat table) use Broadcom
@allquixotic Please disable the greeting. Annoying every user joining the official Super User room and pretending that a bot that calculates fuckability is an official part of the chat is not acceptable. If someone knows about the bot and talks to it fine, but an auto-greeting is crossing the line. And please reconsider the /fuckable command.
With Coding Kitten, FlackBot, and Eliza, there are at least three precedents for this.
There is no official support, e.g. an API or something like that; any bot has go through the same channels as a normal user. This includes Eliza (which, just for the record, was just a fun weekend project of m...
(yay, another instance contradicting "community decisions"...) hides
@Bob Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
I would like to discuss with some civility a recent action that has occurred in the Root Access chatroom. First, allow me to catch everyone up on the facts of the situation:
Overview
Q: What happened? A: Please see this message in Root Access chat. This decision is the primary reason for askin...
@allquixotic I've pinged Ben (balpha) - we're going talk about it in a moment. Probable outcome, we're going to ask that the auto greeter be turned off everywhere, and that folks strongly re-think the naming of the '/fuckable' command if they use the bot.
@TimPost As I wrote in my meta post, I have every intention of removing that objectionable command. I do not, however, understand the reasoning for turning off the auto-greeter, especially if the greeting can be worded in such a way as to inform the user that this is an unofficial, community bot.
I'd even be willing to let SE dictate what the wording of the auto-greeter must be (or contain), if that would make it any easier.
Honestly, I regret writing them at all, but that tends to be my reaction to something that I felt was arbitrary and unfair. Be that as it may, Google won't index them, and <10ks won't be able to read them. So that's something.
@allquixotic It's a feature we've deliberately avoided incorporating into chat, at least for now, which is what Ben was worried about once he discovered that the bot was actually greeting people. He didn't mean to single your bot out at all - it just happened to be here that he first notced it
@TimPost That's perfectly fine. All I will request that you'll do is to please read the section "The Case for the Auto-Greeter" here on my meta.SU question. I will greatly appreciate if you read that. Once you do, if you or Ben still feel that the auto greeting needs to go, then I will make it happen.
I won't be able to update the bot until this evening due to responsibilities elsewhere (work), but I will certainly remove the objectionable command (f***able) with no argument needed, and will also remove the auto-greeter if my plea in that meta post does not convince you.
Once I have performed the requested updates, I will inform you so that the bot can be un-suspended.
Please see this commit and this one. If you don't understand JavaScript, the summary is: removed that objectionable command and removed the auto-greeter. I can attest in good faith that the next time ChatBot John Cavil appears in SuperUser chat, these commits will be applied to its code. I have killed the bot from the server side, so it will not appear again until I pull these changes. — allquixotic1 min ago
@allquixotic Heh - the JS chatroom is... rather unhappy about this. (they're also saying that their bot shouldn't be held responsible for "abuse" of the bot in other rooms... hrm...)
I still think the decision was arbitrary, does not constitute community consensus, and is a bit too much of "CYA" (Cover Your ***) and strongly goes against the spirit of free information and community-driven decisions that SE has been known for, but I didn't ever honestly expect SE to remain as open-minded as they first were
but for the sake of cooperation and getting the bot back, I made the requested changes
including removing the auto-greeter
next year I expect they'll want it gone entirely and not provide any justification, just "make it go away"
they could also be trying to clean up the site and the chatrooms to make it seem more professional for the careers.SE thing
but honestly, trying to merge an environment where IT professionals feel free to spout off, and a professional homeostatic environment that's allergic to anything not politically correct, is a dangerous combination, and I don't think SE is going to be successful in maintaining both in their ideal state within the same company
basically they don't want HR managers coming into chat and seeing !!fuckable and deciding that we're immature and lewd and deciding not to post job ads on careers
that's how I read it, because they aren't providing any other valid reason
heck, we could even have a command saying !!shoot or !!dang and HR managers might get offended
They are doing that because they fear someone might come in with flawless logic and dismantle their argument and then they would have to allow the bots back in and look silly
I would like to discuss with some civility a recent action that has occurred in the Root Access chatroom. First, allow me to catch everyone up on the facts of the situation:
Overview
Q: What happened? A: Please see this message in Root Access chat. This decision is the primary reason for askin...
@Sathya The thing that I perceive as a problem is that SE created these systems and then explicitly told the community that we are the ones who are responsible for governing it; then, without attempting to even understand what the community consensus is, they make some decision based on their own opinions. Do you not perceive that as a problem?
I mean, I understand that they run the servers and hold the copyright on the code and can technically, legally, do whatever the hell they want; they're perfectly free to ban people or take any arbitrary action, and they are entitled to do that -- but at the same time, they gave the community a specific amount of (finite) power, and now they are totally bypassing that.
@Undo No, bots are allowed, but there is concern over particular features that some of the SE staff doesn't agree with. (And I still haven't seen any reasoning as to why).
If they wanted this to be another site run by fiat of the hosting company running it, they should've just come out and said so, and I've never have signed up in the first place.
I use Windows 7 and when downloading with Google Chrome the icon in the taskbar has a partially green background that indicates the download progress. Is there a way to not show this green status indicator in the Windows taskbar? I find it distracting when I am working. It seems there is no op...
I would like to discuss with some civility a recent action that has occurred in the Root Access chatroom. First, allow me to catch everyone up on the facts of the situation:
Overview
Q: What happened? A: Please see this message in Root Access chat. This decision is the primary reason for askin...
