Root Access

12:22 AM

nn

1:35 AM

@Bob Not surprised that Firefox has the lowest memory usage. This is a compelling reason to use Firefox in resource-constrained environments.

Bob

@bwDraco that wasn't the point - point was you probably want 4 processes for e10s-multi

I think you had yours at 10?

Ramhound

I love my Job! But good grief are contractors annoying lol

My $4 million virtualization server crashed again today...

bwDraco

@Bob Effectively unlimited (256) on the Dragon. It's a non-problem when you have 24 GB of RAM.

On Bifrons, e10s is disabled.

Jan 26 at 23:47, by bwDraco

15 tabs using 2.0 GB of memory on Firefox Developer Edition with process-per-tab enabled (limit 256 processes for giggles)

allquixotic

2:04 AM

talk about high latency comments

A late in responding, but this was exactly what I was looking for. Thanks! — Electrons_Ahoy Feb 25 '10 at 1:44

I didn't realise I had a deadline :) — Dónal Aug 1 '11 at 17:37

:) Sorry, I meant I was a little late in responding. You were spot on! I guess I should really proof-read these before I hit "Add Comment" — Electrons_Ahoy Aug 1 '11 at 21:00

original answer was Aug 8 '09 lol

a few messages back and forth over two years

@bwDraco similar to Chrome -_- very wasteful

Gypsy Spellweaver

I've still not gotten around to compiling the Developer Edition, so still on v51.0.1. I have 2 windows with 10 tabs between them - none very image intensive, so that might keep it sown some. Still, here's what my report show.

Ok. Just for giggles, added a new tab with mega images, ~340 @ 250x250. Got this report.

@bwDraco ^^^

allquixotic

2:35 AM

Safari: 16 tabs, 386 MB. Firefox: 9 tabs, 1.23 GB.

allquixotic

2:47 AM

so nevermind; Safari uses plenty of memory

so yeah, Safari with a bunch of tabs uses around 2 GB too

I guess that's just the state of modern web browsers and dynamic content

it's pretty appalling though that we had not-that-much-worse web sites in the early web 2.0 years that were still dynamic but used a fraction of the memory

we'd think something's wrong if you saw a browser using 2 out of your 4 GB of memory in 2009

bwDraco

3:09 AM

@allquixotic Yeah. Once you use e10s, Firefox's memory usage balloons.

Ultimately, on cheap netbooks with low memory and storage, less memory usage = less paging = more SSD endurance.

@allquixotic It's mainly a space-time tradeoff these days, one typically made in favor of time. I suppose a browser can render the content in less memory, but it would take a lot more compute.

Space–time tradeoff

A space-time or time-memory tradeoff in computer science is a case where an algorithm or program trades increased space usage with decreased time. Here, space refers to the data storage consumed in performing a given task (RAM, HDD, etc), and time refers to the time consumed in performing a given task (computation time or response time). The utility of a given space-time tradeoff is affected by related fixed and variable costs (of, e.g., CPU speed, storage space), and is subject to diminishing returns. == History == Biological usage of time–memory tradeoffs can be seen in the earlier stages of...

After all, most modern systems are equipped with enough RAM that it would be better to use more of it to render pages faster.

On mobile, if your system isn't a resource-constrained netbook like Bifrons, this would extend battery life because you're using less CPU time.

Gypsy Spellweaver

3:39 AM

WELP, that was interesting. I pulled up the exact same tabs, in two windows, using Chrome. Then, since the FireFox windows have been open, and with 8 of the tabs constant, for 2 days, and I suspect a slight memory leak on one of them, I restarted FireFox. Did get lower numbers, slightly. Finally, since I've got a few add-ons, I restarted FireFox with a brand new profile and reloaded the two windows, and same set of tabs. Much lower numbers, though still higher than Chrome.

>Chrome
10-tabs 71,072K
FF
10-tabs 1,190,752K
10-tabs restart 697,652K
10-tabs new 182,579K

Chrome
12-tabs 71,020K
FF
12-tabs 1,152,064K
12-tabs-restart 1,026,580K
12-tabs-new 252,496K

@allquixotic @bwDraco ^^^

allquixotic

3:55 AM

@GypsySpellweaver what extensions? you don't use AdBlock or AdBlock Plus, do you?

the most memory-efficient adblocker is ublock

Gypsy Spellweaver

@allquixotic Among others, yes. I normally use these add-ons: 0 jQuery, ADB Helper, Adblock Plus, AutoReviewComments, Copy Pure Text, CuteButtons, Exif Viewer, Extended Statusbar, HTTPS Everywhere, MeasureIt, Modify Headers, NiceReader, Preserver Download Modification Timestamp, Screengrab (fix version), ShowIP, The Addon Bar (restored), Toolbar Buttons, Valence, View Source, Web Developer.

I enable others as needed, keeping them installed, but disabled. Plus I'm running under the LCARStrek theme, which I imagin is a bit intensive itself.

Rahul2001

Good morning!

@GypsySpellweaver whoa that's a lot

Gypsy Spellweaver

That's why I retested in a new profile. :)

I got ~26 others that are as needed life firebug, and console², as well as some SEO related stuff. That and there's about a dozen themes I've tried, and keep installed in case my mood changes.

XKCD

4:13 AM

It's cool, it's totally ethical--they're all programmed to hunt whichever bird of prey is most numerous at the moment, so they leave the endangered ones alone until near the end.

2

allquixotic

4:43 AM

@GypsySpellweaver AdBlock Plus is terrible, though. There's literally no reason to use it instead of uBlock.

It's just sitting there wasting memory for no good reason.

Gypsy Spellweaver

@allquixotic When I've the spare time I'll have to look into uBlock.

allquixotic

@GypsySpellweaver github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/…

github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/…

Nick

5:01 AM

@XKCD My next hardware project. Autonomous drones that hunt down eagles.

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Nick s/eagles/politicians/

Bob

@allquixotic doesn't this look familiar? :P codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/122520/…

bot-drama, anyone?

Nick

@GypsySpellweaver Um, googling that brings up Angela Eagle of the British Labour Party

@allquixotic What exactly is uBlock and ABP (in dummy terms)

allquixotic

@Bob yuuuup

@Nick AdBlock Plus and uBlock are both browser extensions that download lists of websites, and components of websites (via various techniques for specifying those components), then every time your browser is about to go request some resource, it determines whether to block it or delete it after the fact if it thinks it's an ad

AdBlock Plus is an earlier, less efficient effort at the problem and uBlock does what ABP does but better

Bob

@allquixotic I still like ABP for its attempts to minimise ads without outright blocking all of them.

I don't mind (and in fact like) supporting sites that use lightweight ads.

allquixotic

5:09 AM

@Bob you can configure uBlock to allow non-intrusive ads, or whitelist sites you like

I whitelist SE

and google searches

Bob

Also. ABP is much nicer about having a global enable toggle.

uBlock specifically doesn't want to implement one. for reasons.

(read: no good reason)

allquixotic

I don't need a global enable toggle; if I really think it's a problem, I can disable it in the extensions list

Nick

@allquixotic Huh, I still use ABP actually. Should prolly switch to UBlock

allquixotic

it's very rare for me to whitelist a site on purpose, although on occasion there are false positives and I have to temp disable it for a site to even work

lower page load latency, less total data on my limited-unlimited data plans, better battery life and scrolling performance, less memory consumption (= less swapping/paging), not sure what there's not to like unless you constantly hit false positives (I don't)

I hit a false positive about once a month and it's a simple page reload to fix it

Bob

@allquixotic I use the global toggle to test that. Toggling it for just that site means either I forget to toggle it back, or it plain doesn't work (because it's blocking a frame somewhere and the toggle didn't work)

Disabling from the extension panel is a pain

Gypsy Spellweaver

5:14 AM

@allquixotic How would you know it's a false positive? (I assume false positive means blocking a non-ad.)

Bob

It's a bigger pain when that status gets synced

allquixotic

@Bob never had it block a frame or anything like that

@GypsySpellweaver broken forms, etc.. like when I tried to reset my password at a banking site, and inexplicably the submit button was blocked

Gypsy Spellweaver

Ouch

allquixotic

the first thing I do when I hit a broken web form is disable ublock; most of the time it fixes it :P

and I mean temp disable, not globally

Bob

@allquixotic globally is temp

you mean locally vs globally

locally is just as permanent as globally - more so IMO because it's much easier to forget to turn it back on for that one site

Gypsy Spellweaver

5:17 AM

I don't have the minimalist ads enabled, but I've never hit a broken form.

allquixotic

@Bob yeah

@Bob not really; ads are so jarring when I see them that I always remember to turn it back on; if the ads aren't invasive then I don't need it on in the first place

which should be enough in your case in FF anyway because of the built-in tracking protection

Bob

@allquixotic I don't use tracking protection outside of private browsing (where it's enabled by default)

It breaks a good number of sites

allquixotic

@Bob does it? I guess I just don't use the same sites as you, because I switched my main browser to FF for like, 2 months (and it's still my default on my Windows boxen) and it never broke any sites I go to

I had tracking protection and ublock with the default filters; uBlock occasionally broke sites, but tracking prot never did

Bob

@allquixotic heck, even ublock non-origin has a global toggle (via request in 2015)

the maintainer for the origin one just refuses to add it

allquixotic

good ;-)

Bob

5:21 AM

because apparently enabling advanced mode and toggling on a tiny colour-sensitive option is a reasonable substitute

I'm actually *this* close to refusing to use it just on principle

allquixotic

lol

Gypsy Spellweaver

does uBlock allow for creating custom filters?

allquixotic

and he really hates the maintainer of non-origin ublock, accusing him of like, brand stealing or something

Bob

@allquixotic there's no UI way to enable tracking protection in normal windows

@allquixotic not good.

he's actually pushed a bunch of people away from 'origin' specifically for this feature

I may or may not be joining them, depending on how many more times I get pissed off by it

allquixotic

funnily enough I actually use ABP, uBlock Origin and uBlock, depending on the device :P

iOS: ABP; Safari on Mac: uBlock; FF/Chrome on Linux/Windows/Mac: uBlock Origin

Bob

5:26 AM

@allquixotic developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox/Privacy/Tracking_Protection

allquixotic

btw, the performance hit in ES2 grows way faster than linear as the number of AIs and map size increases (understandably, at least for the map, since that's a x*y or quadratic problem space at the least)

Bob

> In Private Browsing windows

allquixotic

people are saying it's perfectly playable with like 5 AIs on Large (but not massive) maps

I have 9 AIs on the largest map possible

@Bob ah, I didn't know that

we'd probably both need Core i9s to get decent perf out of the massive map - maybe not even then if it doesn't scale properly

Bob

@allquixotic There's ways to enable it in normal via config wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Tracking_protection

but it's off by default

> privacy.trackingprotection.enabled: to enable TP globally

> privacy.trackingprotection.ui.enabled: show a checkbox to toggle privacy.trackingprotection.enabled in the Preferences (Nightly only)

@allquixotic you said it only used 2 cores last time

Journeyman Geek

6:23 AM

sigh

Gypsy Spellweaver

:)

Journeyman Geek

I need to look for a new job

Gypsy Spellweaver

Already?

Journeyman Geek

this place is a madhouse and I haven't been this stressed in years

Gypsy Spellweaver

stress n: The confusion created when the mind overrides the body's basic instinct to beat the ---- out of some ------ who desperately deserves it.

Journeyman Geek

6:34 AM

essentially I got dropped into an extremely complex and messy environment with no support

Gypsy Spellweaver

you are the support.

Journeyman Geek

I don't want to beat the shit out of anyone

"here's two pages of passwords"

there's no inventory, either of software or hardware

Gypsy Spellweaver

Why does anyone have passwords for anyone else?

Journeyman Geek

naw, for systems

Gypsy Spellweaver

Oh, ok.

Journeyman Geek

6:36 AM

there are literally 2 pages of possible passwords, all in the previous IT guy's head

Gypsy Spellweaver

Other than you, who's supposed to be able to use those passwords?

Journeyman Geek

oh, here's the thing

I DON'T KNOW WHICH PASSWORD IS FOR WHAT.

or where/what any of our APs are

Gypsy Spellweaver

iirc from earlier, each AP has it's own SSID?

Journeyman Geek

oh! Apparently not!

There's a excellent set of proper APs

ans random shit all over the place

Gypsy Spellweaver

You're there during normal hours, right? so you can't just randomly shut down an AP?

Journeyman Geek

6:41 AM

nope

I'd need to know where the APs are to shut them down

their ip addresses are not documented either

Gypsy Spellweaver

Did the last guy disable wifi access to their setups?

no

:)

He dosen't know

Use your phone and try to access the out-of-sync APs. Any you get into that way you can try using the passwords on. Given full access you can then fix those anyway. A beginning anyway.

Journeyman Geek

6:44 AM

ah. they're mostly in bridged/AP mode I think

Same subnet. nmap helped me find 2

there's one more I cannot find

Gypsy Spellweaver

Use foil and make your phone into a direction finder.

triangulation

Oliver Salzburg

7:33 AM

> Well over half of millennials (aged 18-34)

I thought to be considered a "millennial", you'd have to be born 2000+

Can someone enlighten me?

Also, more gold \o/

Gypsy Spellweaver

@OliverSalzburg The Millennials are 1982-2002.

Typically a generation is 20 years.

those born in 1982 came of age in 2000

Oliver Salzburg

@GypsySpellweaver Huh, TIL. Thank you very much

Gypsy Spellweaver

np

Oliver Salzburg

I always thought they were talking about the young'uns

Gypsy Spellweaver

Depends on who you ask anyway. some say 1977 was the start.:/ Not sure why.

Oliver Salzburg

7:43 AM

Turns out, they are talking about me!

Gypsy Spellweaver

Them the young'uns be Gen Z

Variously called the Centenials

Bob

TIL I'm a millennial

Oliver Salzburg

I feel so out of the loop right now

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Bob Yipee

Oliver Salzburg

@Bob Millenial high-five!

Gypsy Spellweaver

7:44 AM

I'm a tweener missed it all on both sides.

Bob

Oliver Salzburg

:D

I'm a rigthy though. This is awkward :\

djsmiley2k

lol

omfg it's too hot today

Burgi

@Bob as a confirmed millennial i support this

djsmiley2k

@Burgi TOO HOT

Burgi

7:46 AM

AGREED

Gypsy Spellweaver

Technically, I guess, I'm a Baby-boomer, though I'm on the leading edge of that, so I missed the opportunities there. And I came along to late to enjoy the Flower Power stuff.

djsmiley2k

CONFIRMED: TOO HAWT.

2

Burgi

@GypsySpellweaver you had the 70s, though

Gypsy Spellweaver

Them was interesting. Found computers, and my passion

Boris_yo

"Winamp, Winamp! It really whips the llama's ass!"

Oliver Salzburg

7:49 AM

@GypsySpellweaver You want us to keep fantasizing or will you elaborate on that passion yourself ;D

Gypsy Spellweaver

Computers

Oliver Salzburg

I have that passion!

Boris_yo

Have been using Winamp since I had Intel Pentium 166Mhz and never looked else...

Yes. Winamp holds sentimental value for me...

Burgi

but its crap

Boris_yo

Oh were the good times when I listened to Red Alert tracks. And how excited I was to found music extractor allowed me to playback .OGG audio files. That was back when I had 56k baud modem.

Oliver Salzburg

7:52 AM

I feel like Winamp was the last music player I used that actually worked

Boris_yo

@OliverSalzburg What was the first then?

Oliver Salzburg

@Boris_yo I think Winamp was also the first MP3 player I ever had. It was on the media with the first 4 MP3 files I owned

And that was kind of a "Oh wow, look at this new tech" kind of deal

Not music I would listen to

Burgi

i moved to itunes as soon as i could but recently its gone terrible

Bob

"recently"

Burgi

4 years

Bob

7:55 AM

itunes has been terrible for well over 4 years

Burgi

i only noticed in the last few

Boris_yo

@OliverSalzburg To me the techy awesomeness was it's capability of change skins and 3D visualizations.

djsmiley2k

itunes was always terrible

Burgi

possibly because i switch to the classic interface

Oliver Salzburg

@Boris_yo I liked the global hotkeys features. That is my most missed feature. I miss it every day

djsmiley2k

7:57 AM

at first it'd just duplicate all your files, for no reason because you didn't have them in your 'libaru)

then it started trying to match them, badly to online copies

Bob

@OliverSalzburg foobar2000

djsmiley2k

then there was the 'iTunes has deleted all my files' fun

the UI is terrible

The performance is terrible

Bob

the entire package is terrible

Boris_yo

And it was music player that used the least amount of ram. For machine with 16MB RAM , Windows 95 it was significant.

Bob

even on macos

Oliver Salzburg

7:57 AM

@Bob I hardly ever listen to my MP3 files anymore :(

Bob

@OliverSalzburg because you listen to flac now, right? ;)

Oliver Salzburg

Er, right! :D

Nah, Spotify all the way right now

Boris_yo

@OliverSalzburg Have you gone entirely cloud?

Oliver Salzburg

@Boris_yo What do you mean? I'm pretty cloudy

Burgi

spotify doesn't work in the car

Boris_yo

7:59 AM

Do no underestimate flak...

Oliver Salzburg

@Burgi Same for me. I have MP3 CDs (who am I kidding, it's one CD) in my car

Burgi

ipod ;)

Gypsy Spellweaver

Spotify works anywhere, just not on any thing

Boris_yo

@OliverSalzburg Do you only stream music these days?

Oliver Salzburg

I don't have AUX (or any other) in

@Boris_yo Mostly, yes

Burgi

8:00 AM

@OliverSalzburg get one of those FM tuners

Oliver Salzburg

@Burgi Depending on who you ask, those are either horrible or awesome :\

I'm assuming you're in the awesome camp? :D

If someone would recommend one, I'd gladly give it a try

It has become a bit of an annoyance of late

And new cars are apparently pricey

Gypsy Spellweaver

I had a Scion with 3 or 6 C changer, not sure which, and used MP3 CDs. At the time my library fit on 5 discs, and had road music for days of OTR pleasure.

Oliver Salzburg

I have to stop relying on CDs pretty soon anyway. We recently discovered that we don't have a single CD burner in the entire company. The last available one was in my home office workstation

And that machine is being replaced next month probably. Then it's no more shiny discs

Gypsy Spellweaver

Get a USB burner.

Oliver Salzburg

But I only burn a disc like every 6 months right now. A new one for my car :D

Gypsy Spellweaver

8:05 AM

Use the public library?

Or internet cafe

Oliver Salzburg

I'd probably get the USB burner before that

But something that doesn't involve CDs would be preferable

Burgi

@OliverSalzburg i've had several

Gypsy Spellweaver

Update the car stereo for USB input

Burgi

one that was amazing but wiggled around in the 12v socket while driving

one that worked for a month

Gypsy Spellweaver

Friend had one that allowed her to connect iPod inside glove box.

Burgi

8:08 AM

and one that was pretty good but the build quality was... well... belkin

Gypsy Spellweaver

I think it was in-built. Honda Fit IIRC

Burgi

the belkin one lasted the longest

my fiesta has USB in

djsmiley2k

my wifes cmax has a line in, in the glove box

my focus doesn't :(

Oliver Salzburg

@Burgi Was there any difference in audio quality?

Burgi

@OliverSalzburg not that i could tell

the idiot programmer at ford has set shuffle to only shuffle the first 1000 songs on an ipod

what sort of monster does that?

Gypsy Spellweaver

8:13 AM

Most of my Gillig's have on-board wifi, so I can stream or surf all I want with no data usage.

Oliver Salzburg

@Burgi :D

Alright. Purchased one of those transmitters now. Will report back

Burgi

oh hang on, the belkin one was audio only and my ipod has a dodgy audio socket

but other than that it was great

the cable leading to the transmitter was fraying so i snipped it off and i use the base as a second USB charging port

djsmiley2k

@Burgi the kind of monster who can only count to 1024?

Burgi

@djsmiley2k no no, decimal 1000

they've fixed it in the newer models but its so annoying

Oliver Salzburg

Whoever made my car was also not expecting today's address books :\

Gypsy Spellweaver

8:19 AM

@Burgi The kind of monster who puts an MBA with Ø CIS over IT

Burgi

the man at ford looked at me in the oddest way when i asked him if there was a software patch for it

Oliver Salzburg

That is such a huge annoyance. There are so many numbers O__o and every name is cut off after 10 chars

Burgi

@GypsySpellweaver i don't know what that means

@OliverSalzburg my car does that with track names

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Burgi Someone who got a business degree, knows nothing about computers, and is manager for the IT department.

Bob

@OliverSalzburg I still use spotify sometimes, but mostly youtube these days surprisingly o.O

but then a good chunk of my current playlists aren't on spotify :(

Burgi

8:22 AM

@GypsySpellweaver but do you want a geek doing.... management?

Gypsy Spellweaver

At least have a manager that know that a tablet can't replace a desktop for doing full-stack work/

djsmiley2k

@Burgi I think my creative zen touch from like 2001 had the same bug

@Burgi I want a geek to rule the world.

Gypsy Spellweaver

We do! Just don't want the rest to realize it :D

Burgi

someone logged the notification as a ticket but its been flagged as a low priority

Oliver Salzburg

@Burgi That too

@Bob Yeah, I also don't like that they only get new, new stuff. Some of the MP3s I have in my archive are still nowhere to be found

Bob

8:29 AM

@Burgi depends.

my current manager is great

Oliver Salzburg

Which is where Google Play Music would be beneficial to me, but I'm already invested in Spotify with all my playlists and collections and stuff

djsmiley2k

google music is cool, because it does stuff like remove the adverts from youtube, if you're lucky

(it worked for me, but only when I resume the current subscription, if I start a new one it doesn't).

Bob

@djsmiley2k that's youtube red

I explicitly have a ytr subscription which gives me gpm access

But I hate the gpm interface

then again the new spotify interface sucks too. get that ios shit off my android phone!

Oliver Salzburg

That Spotify UI...

Gypsy Spellweaver

Does anyone know if I can take the MOBO from an HP 510-020 and drop it into a standard tower case?

Oliver Salzburg

8:35 AM

Let's change the subject! It's too early for this high blood pressure!

@GypsySpellweaver Depends on the height you drop it from

That being said, I have no idea

Gypsy Spellweaver

@OliverSalzburg abt 6mm

Oliver Salzburg

:D

Burgi

UBO hides all youtube adverts

Gypsy Spellweaver

I'm not going to be able to finish my build :(,, and I'm thinking of getting the 510-020 and using it as the brain for the build. It's only got one HDD bay, and I need more, but if I can use the MOBO in a std case, I can make it work.

djsmiley2k

@Bob yeah, cept in my subscriptons it's listed as google music, and doesn't mention youtube red

Bob

8:38 AM

@GypsySpellweaver lol. it used to be good, which makes things worse :(

djsmiley2k

I had it before yt red was even a thing

and I had no adverts, before yt red was a thing too

Bob

@djsmiley2k yea I went from the other direction

had gpm on and off, didn't really like it

djsmiley2k

but if I start a new gm sub - it doesn't block adverts and other stuff

I like it, but not that much.

Bob

ytr came with an early sign-up perpetual discount

djsmiley2k

I download bbc podcasts xD

Bob

8:39 AM

which actually got me gpm cheaper than usual

But I still don't really use gpm

like @OliverSalzburg I'm kinda invested in spotify playlists :P

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Bob I'm thinking i3-6100T with 8GB RAM isn't too bad. And I can get it on time from Fingerhut (yea, that'll cost more in the end) The other one is AMD FX-4300, for more $$ besides :(

Bob

@GypsySpellweaver whoops, that "used to be good" comment was supposed to be a reply to @OliverSalzburg about the Spotify ui

Gypsy Spellweaver

k

Of all the mentions in that thread WinAmp is the only one I really know. Download from YouTube using KeepVid, and that's about it.

Bob

@GypsySpellweaver re: the mobo: probably but hard to be 100% sure

Gypsy Spellweaver

The point I worry about is the rear connections. HP has been known to get weird.

It is a std looking mid-tower case, not a slim, so I'm hopeful.

Bob

8:46 AM

worst case you can take snips to your case

Gypsy Spellweaver

I'd rather go with the AMD FX4300 CyberPower. Hope to finish the build properly, in an un-snipped case

Bob

@GypsySpellweaver imo FX-anything is a terrible choice

if you specifically want amd for political reasons, get a current-gen

the previous arch was poor, to say the least

Gypsy Spellweaver

On the path under consideration I have two choices, HP with i3 6100T, unknown MOBO, and CyberPower with std MOBO and AMD FX4300. :(

Bob

ifif youyou wantwaitwait a littlelittle if you wait a little longer iirc amd is coming out with new lower-end chips soon

...damn phone keyboard is glitching out, one sec

Gypsy Spellweaver

The biggest problem is saving the $$. Somehow the bills get paid but savings just won't happen. The wife finds something else to get.

Bob

8:58 AM

I'd look up the new prices but I'm getting sick of phone browsing. bbl.

Gypsy Spellweaver

I'm tired of resurrecting this beast, and not sure if the next time will be the last time.

I tried using the phone once for this. Not happening again.

Don't know how y'all manage. Between my big fingers, and auto-correct I can't get anything said right on the phone.

Journeyman Geek

I'd suggest waiting a tiny bit longer

as bob suggests

Burgi

get the moto G!!!

Gypsy Spellweaver

Gonna wait as long as can. Maybe I'll safe some $$ from wife. The Fingerhut option is last ditch if I can't resurrect this Dinosaur "one more time." At that I'll probably be dead in the water for nearly a week if it happens.

@Burgi I only have "phone" cause I found it. Galaxy J1. No service - just use wifi. Otherwise I can use the iPod (gen 4) which won't handle the SE app.

Burgi

9:24 AM

when you say "no service" do you mean there is no service in your area or do you mean that you just run the phone without a SIM?

djsmiley2k

9:37 AM

@GypsySpellweaver i read it as fingerbutt option

beucase was thinking about hiding money from wife :/

Gypsy Spellweaver

:)

djsmiley2k

Cannot reccomend hiding money from wife using fingerbutt option.

I too have the same issue