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12:18 AM
Morning
 
Hi!
 
@Burgi we kinda got told CW's are a bit of a failed experiment
 
12:51 AM
before I go (employee orientation!) edgeup.asus.com/2016/08/23/…
 
Bob
> If one person tells you you have a tail, ignore them; if a hundred people tell you that, look behind you
 
Question: How do I create a mock X11 instance for testing I/O of another program?
It's not exactly easy to Google
 
Bob
@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ Xvfb?
@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ ?
"How do I create a ..." => "Xvfb?"
 
@Bob s/How do I create a.*X.*/Xvfb?/g?
 
Bob
@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ Presumably by installing Xvfb and reading the rather straightforward documentation. After you confirm that it does what you need.
 
1:01 AM
thx, trying to figure out how vim's I/O works
 
Bob
Here, I'll even paste the relevant snippet:
> DESCRIPTION

Xvfb is an X server that can run on machines with no display hardware and no physical input devices. It emulates a dumb framebuffer using virtual memory.

The primary use of this server was intended to be server testing. The fb code for any depth can be exercised with this server without the need for real hardware that supports the desired depths. The X community has found many other novel uses for Xvfb, including testing clients against unusual depths and screen configurations, doing batch processing with Xvfb as a background rendering engine, load testing, as an aid to port
If you specifically want to intercept/log X commands, there's probably some verbose logging mode. And you'd probably want an interactive X server, not Xvfb.
 
@Bob mostly just to simulate keyboard input
 
Bob
Eh, probably something like xdotool then.
I don't exactly have a ready-made solution for you - Linux GUIs aren't really my thing. And your request wasn't particularly specific. But these should at least give you a starting point for your searches.
See also: $DISPLAY environment variable.
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Q: What is $DISPLAY environment variable

Chandrayya G KI am new to shell scripting.I do NOT understand what is $DISPLAY environmental variable. I have Ubuntu 13.10 and I use /bin/bash shell. I have two monitors. Questions: 1.Command echo $DISPLAY will print :0.0 on my machine(on Both monitors). What this means? In which case $DISPLAY variable wi...

 
1:24 AM
!!s/look behind you/try wagging it/
 
@JourneymanGeek If one person tells you you have a tail, ignore them; if a hundred people tell you that, try wagging it (source)
 
@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ something like expect?
 
@JourneymanGeek small project of mine, looking for a programmatic method (not scripting) to send keystrokes to an external program
 
Bob
WELL THEN.
 
1:41 AM
@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ hm. At this point I'd suggest refining your question. Feels like something for software recommendations.se
 
@JourneymanGeek Yeah, the problem is the lack of C libs for anything...
 
I believe libraries are on topic there... :P
 
Bob
2:17 AM
Oh I give up. No docs. No search results o.O
Oooh.
Gigabyte laptop with a GTX 1070 in it.
Though, rather bulky at 17"
 
I suspect they probably sized it taking the cooling it needs into account....
No cherry browns ? :P
Mistimed and half an hour early for the hr briefing. Ooops.
 
Bob
2:35 AM
O_O
> Foreign LINUX serves as a low level emulator (LLE) unlike WINE or cygwin which is an HLE (high level emulator). We only implement kernel system calls and use the original unmodified system libraries to provide common ABIs.
 
So it's bouow?
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Seems similar, yea.
@JourneymanGeek More technically, WSL
 
Yeah but zat unwieldy acronym....
 
3:12 AM
 
@bwDraco Command css learned
 
!!/forget css
 
@bwDraco Command css forgotten.
 
!!/learn css <>http://i.stack.imgur.com/M6JkD.gif
 
@bwDraco Command css learned
 
Bob
3:30 AM
MS POSIX subsystem => SFU => SUA => WSL...
Gone full circle? :P
 
bash on windows is slowest prob
 
Bob
@arda Congrats on making assumptions without reading.
It falls behind on FS access, but is competitive with (and occasionally wins!) in memory/CPU-intensive tasks.
 
3:46 AM
seems like it varies
I heard many people complain about it and I think that it is a bit slow, hence I made that assumption
 
Bob
Which makes sense with the additional emulation required on the FS, while CPU-bound tasks would only be affected by the CPU scheduler and is otherwise basically bare-metal.
 
my only issue is with upload atm
I can't test upload speeds on speedtest-cli or use stuff like ping
 
Bob
I don't think they've benchmarked network access.
 
I wonder if there is a question about these in SU or AU
 
Bob
Probably. I need to install the thing first.
Don't have a local copy of 1607 at work, so it's gonna have to be on Azure
 
3:57 AM
Hello. I am not a toilet and I don't want to punch anyone or anything.
2
 
Bob
@arda That would've been my first guess :P "Permission denied"
Bah, the 1607 VM is still installing updates.
 
@Bob mine was using sudo
that worked
 
Bob
@arda Does that put you in a Windows high integrity level?
 
nope
but imo it should pop up UAC dialog
 
Bob
4:01 AM
Not if the *nix system keeps a separate dir structure
 
other stuff that needs icmp still doesnt work though
(yes my internet is terrible)
 
 
4:19 AM
@ThatBrazilianGuy you might be missing out.
Also giant floppy adult toys, chainsaws and bad Russian accents.
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Also dolls.
Also "escort" missions. Especially "tiger escorts". Not sure if better or worse than "cougar" ones...
 
Lol.
@Bob oh. SR4 has no Russian voice.
I played it with French. Southern would likely be my pick for a replay.
@Bob you rarely get to use one as a weapon tho.
 
sigh
you made me want to redownload sr4
 
4:48 AM
@arda SR3 is my favourite of the series
 
Bob
5:23 AM
@arda ^
Those are both BoUoW
 
I'd like to say, its really wierd sometimes to be a non mod on another site ;p
 
Bob
For comparison on Windows proper
 
6:36 AM
lol this place
so handed in my notice
come in after a few days off with my son in hospital
and my collegue is just outright ignoring me
 
Morning
Hmm, that does not show the image, just the link :(
 
That tail rocks
 
7:22 AM
yup
it is floof
 
Bob
7:56 AM
floof?
 
morning
 
morning
 
@Bob Floof
 
we were locked out of the building until my line manager got in 5 minutes ago
 
8:03 AM
0_0
(I'm occationally tempted to say arf-ternoon, but that seems undignified)
 
Once in a while I hear how someone hits lottery. At one period there were several hits one after another which raised suspicion in me. I do not believe people are hitting lottery as claimed. I think this is all part of a fraud agenda.
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek How'd the job thing go?
 
@Bob it went. No real information other than that some of the other guys are on longer contracts.
My guess is the first day on the job's the real orientation
 
Bob
8:19 AM
O.o
This all sounds very dodgy :P
Don't accept any drinks! :P
 
Loool
It's basically a whole load of hr people who companies outsource stuff to.
 
@Boris_yo ?_?
 
@djsmiley2k You think lottery is legit or a colluded fraud?
 
8:44 AM
@Boris_yo as with any form of gamling, the odds are always in the house's favour
 
@JourneymanGeek That I know but it angers me that they employ strategy of fake winnings to artificially stimulate their sales.
While they easily handing out winnings how many of population does it take to offest losses from winnings?
And with frequency they did that at one period, I would not believe they can do that without stimulation of sales.
That's BS dream selling served on a silver platter to people who believe in fairy tales who lost touch with reality.
 
9:28 AM
Hi!
 
9:48 AM
lo
 
i'm having a senior moment. why would a spambot fill out a web form? what is the owners reasoning for it?
 
@Burgi Uh... spam?
 
10:06 AM
@Burgi I think they just fill anything fillable
 
@JourneymanGeek for what goal?
 
@Burgi in case its publically posted. its just less intellegence needed
 
What a nice round number.
 
@Hennes Congrats.
 
Bob
10:20 AM
Nice.
 
0_0
Most impressive ;p
 
10:32 AM
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Q: Why do 'hackers' setup bots repeatedly fill out web forms?

EJBThere is something I don't get, one of my web apps has a small form that allows you to enter you name and email address to "subscribe" to a user list for a site I maintain. The site is very low traffic, and only useful to a very small number of people that live in a very small town..it would be o...

 
10:46 AM
erf
forgot to do my backup backups
and that's taking up pretty much all my bandwidth internally, and that's slowing down everything else
0_0
I got spam for someone claiming to be a charity helping stray dogs
In the ukraine.
 
Dog
11:27 AM
iCat
!!caat
 
hi dog
 
11:41 AM
Now this is a hi dog :)
 
@Bob some of beyond the black's stuff's growly, but its kinda oddly quietly growly, so it dosen't overwhelm the vocalist ;p
 
11:59 AM
@DavidPostill i was going to post a picture of a stoned dog.
 
Dog
Now why would you want to do a thing like that
 
cause its funny?
 
Dog
Nope. Nothing funny about it.
 
Bob
12:12 PM
@JourneymanGeek Oh, I've not heard those yet... lucky me? :P
Also, quietly growly? :P
 
lol
 
Dog
"Laptop"?!
Windows 3(.1)? Now that's something I haven't seen in a looong while
 
1:05 PM
issa good morning
finally have not a effin thing to do (other than 1 thing)
rockin with my sox off today
 
I just discarded driver floppy for windows 2.01
1 disk for the driver for the logitech mouse
 
surprised that floppy still works
 
And from the samer set 12 3.5 inch drivers for the soundblaster 32 AWE which was in the 486.
 
Cleanup time :)
 
1:10 PM
just put windows 10 on it
 
Dog
!!doooooooog
 
Dog
I found a couple floppy disks the other day while packing my stuff to move home... can't remember what they were for
But I'm pretty sure I have no floppy drives left anywhere in the building
Heck, even finding a DVD drive is hard, my old ones only have IDE and none of my boards support that anymore
 
Anybody remember installing win 95 from floppies?
Last Disk... CRC error.. abort retry fail
!!facepalm
 
1:55 PM
 
what was the point in the abort/retry/fail dialog?
 
I never really understood the difference between abort and fail imo
 
exactly
 
Bob
@Burgi abort => kill the process, retry => try operation such as disk read again, fail => report error to the program (status code)
 
whenever those issues would happen, id call a friend next and ask them if they had the same disk # and go next door and grab it real fast.
 
1:57 PM
@Burgi Sometimes "retry" would work if the floppy disk heads were slightly out of alignment or something.
 
yeah
but in my experience abort and fail did the same thing
 
Sometimes dust caused it to happen as well on the disk heads
id occassionally open the closure and blow in it to fix.
 
> These messages have become an example of frustrating and useless computer messages in popular culture[citation needed]
 
LIKE THE OLD NINTENDO CARTRIDGES
 
Handling Diskette Errors

Diskettes can go bad. Usually they start by developing "soft" errors, which are recoverable by retrying the operation several times. Eventually the soft errors turn to "hard" errors that can not be recovered.

How do you know when a diskette is starting to go bad? Your first clue will be an error message like "Disk error reading Drive x, Abort, Retry, or Ignore?" When you start to see that happen to a diskette, it's time to do something.

Try the diskette in another diskette drive to ensure that the diskette is the problem, not the drive.
 
Bob
1:59 PM
@Burgi abort returned an error code. most programs just didn't bother handling them properly and crashed anyway
 
I never even got to see an abort, retry, fail prompt
 
@Rahul2001 try installing drivers on XP and eject the cd halfway through
 
Yeah, that should do it.
 
It returned an error code but wasnt visible to the user which made it confusing in a way..
 
In computing, "Abort, Retry, Fail?" is a computer error message in the DOS operating system which indicates a critical error and prompts the end-user for the course of action to follow. This and other similar error messages are given by the default critical error handler. The message was sometimes used as an example of poor usability design in computer user interfaces. == Background == The DOS family of operating systems (such as MS-DOS, PC DOS and DR-DOS) date back to early microcomputers, which were primitive by modern computing standards. A primary design consideration was that software written...
 
2:02 PM
See also: PC LOAD LETTER (office space lmao)
 
There you go. If the drive wasn't closed then use Retry

"Retry (R): DOS would attempt the operation again.[2] "Retry" made sense if the user could rectify the problem. To continue the example above, if the user simply forgot to close the drive latch, they could close it, retry, and the system would continue where it left off."
 
Bob
@GuitarShoeDave eh, same thing modern APIs do. they just don't prompt the user first.
 
@bob: true true..
 
Bob
the error code was specifically supposed to inform the program that something broke, not the user
the program can then inform the user if it wants to
 
They could have potentially corrected it and had retry fail... and always just returned the execution status
Not sure why the user had to opt in for that still.
 
Bob
2:05 PM
@GuitarShoeDave because single-tasking OS
 
Abort retry fail is going to be an Easter egg in my next programming...
 
Bob
if an error code caused a program to get stuck in an endless loop...
 
OH DUH you're right... makes sense now.
 
@GuitarShoeDave Because see above. User intervention is required to close the drive properly.
 
yea yea yea
 
Bob
2:05 PM
that's what the abort was for I think
 
Totally understand now.. forgot about that whole single user concept
jeeze heh
 
Bob
retry was cause the hardware was more unreliable at the time :P
though I'm not old enough to have used a drive with an actual manual latch
unless you mean forgetting to insert the disk all the way...
 
@Bob Or the drive door was left open.
 
@Bob it was more the media was unreliable
 
brb smoke
2
 
Bob
2:06 PM
@Burgi that falls under hardware for me :P
 
@Bob Some of us are :/
 
Bob
@DavidPostill come to think of it, you still get retry prompts for CD drives these days (cc @GuitarShoeDave)
 
Some of us have use punched cards and paper tape ...
 
@DavidPostill O_o
 
And dropped boxes of cards. Thank god for diagonal stripes with a sharpie. And line numbers on the cards if you were using the right programming language.
 
Bob
2:09 PM
lol
 
I remember converting a version of StarTrek from one paper tape format to another so I could load it onto our CDC at uni ... :)
 
I've never used a sharpie...
That's a particular brand, right?
 
yes
 
@Rahul2001 Probably was. Now it is a generic term. Same thing happed with "Hoover" and "Biro", etc
 
I have no idea what those are...
 
2:12 PM
biro = ballpoint pen
hoover = vacuum cleaner
@DavidPostill and sellotape
 
velcro
 
Yeah...
 
hasn't happend to that yet
there is no such product as velcro iirc
it's just a brand name
 
Ah. Found a screenshot:
Those were the days ...
 
Is that telnet?
 
2:15 PM
None of your fancy graphics.
Played on a VDU
 
would you be demanding some knave vacate your field of grass?
 
@Rahul2001
 
I think my oldest system was a XT compatible
followed by a 486
 
Bob
Turbo button!
 
TURBO!
 
2:19 PM
@JourneymanGeek That was almost my first work computer IBM PC AT
Turbo Pascal!
 
Pretty sure it did
wait what?
ipc.com.sg these guys made my 486
THEY STILL HAVE THE SAME LOGO THEY DID BACK IN THE DAY
And that's the last desktop I ever bought
 
that is an awful website
 
ehhe marquee
 
My first website also had a marquee :P
 
2:26 PM
oh deer god
Its actually marquee... in js.
 
@Rahul2001 the link. She is broken
 
Fixed
 
@Rahul2001 you were probably in your diapers then
 
Lol, looking at that site is an embarrassment...
 
2:28 PM
its forgiven. Babies poop ;p
 
Lol
 
as a professional web developer there is clearly nothing wrong with MY website.... <.< >.>
MOVE ALONG!
 
Eh, I was in sixth grade
Hm..
Last edited 25th August 2014
That was eighth grade
geekandproud.co.uk @Burgi's site...
@Burgi you didn't live by what you swore...
 
!!movealong
 
@JourneymanGeek That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
 
2:40 PM
@Rahul2001 MOVE ALONG!!!!!!
 
aziaburgi.me.uk is better
 
@Burgi ow... Such a mess on mobile...
Your old website is more readable on my phone
 
there is a bootstrap version of the 2nd site
 
2:44 PM
Nope, doesn't work
@Burgi do you happen to have the source code of your old blog lying around? And would you be willing to share it? ;P
 
i do and i can share it
i'll need to strip out the DB information
remind me tonight
 
yo @Rahul2001 i improved one of your bookmarklets..
 
@Rahul2001 nice
 
message is too long :(
 
@GuitarShoeDave gist.github.com
 
2:51 PM
@arda: good point :P
 
@GuitarShoeDave which bookmarklet was that?
 
works great
it was one second
The cleaner bookmark thinger
 
@Burgi Ooh, thanks!
@GuitarShoeDave neat!
 
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