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12:20 AM
i can't believe they still do that, install one printer , and the installer installs the entire Line of printers from the company (brother) Why , why you no repect my computer.
If they could get that monkey who can't code, cleaning up stuff , organising, and testing, instead of making Cute Grafics trash the employee might still have real value to this world.
Is not so bad that one company , one piece of hardware , one piece of software abuses the system, and often the registry, but noooo they All have to do it .
 
@DragonLord - While I agree AMD likely should refresh that SKU the problem is that only their downstream partners would end up purchasing it and/or the AMD brand loyal customers. There is no doubt if a consumer only cars about performance that Intel's Core architecture hands down defeats AMD's current offerings in every possible capacity and honestly at times even in price at times ( perhaps not actual value but conceived value )
As I have learned that conceived value is the only thing that counts :$
 
conceived or preceived?
Also, most people probably don't really care what's in their system ;p
 
I have been up since 4AM my mind is a little fried
yes; percieved.
err
 
!! s/conceived value/perceived value/g
 
Hell, outside core systems, (well everything) I might not look at the details either
 
12:34 AM
!!/listcommands
 
I should have said, perceived value
 
Basically the purchase cycle for most customer's is probably like
 
Chatbot down again?
 
I want a computer, this has a nice case and I like the price, I'll buy it.
 
@allquixotic, the chatbot isn't working.
 
12:35 AM
conceived value would indicate the consumer was being becoming pregnant with value ( lol )
You over estimate most customers.
Its likely
Its likely more along the lines "Do i get a discount?"
Most people couldn't give two frog legs about the case.
( whats with all the local Administrator ) but User Domain questions tonight :$
 
There is only a small sub-set of consumers that care about the case. Its the sub-set of consumers that want to build their own computer but don't have the skill in order to do so or believe they don't have the skill in order to do so.
If the case is butt ugly it might stop a consumer from picking it but its likely one of the last considerations.
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Q: Do computers emit radiation?

Player72Extension of How much radiation do computers emit? The first answer said that (tl;dr) no. The first and second answer stated that all electronics emit an amount of radiation. My question is, for computers, how much?

Anyone have thoughts on that question? Its either a duplicate since it could have simply been a bounty or not on topic since we have biology.stackexchange.com now
perhaps not
 
dupe ;p
Its not a great question tho
EVERYTHING emits radiation
including bananas
 
Its just a followup to an existing question, I agree
The existing question is sort of interesting from a historical perceptive.
 
12:51 AM
I think my computer has a tendancy to emit much more heat heat radiation than anything, about 250 watts of it :-)
(the other 50 watts actually doing something)
I would have to say it was a dupe, because any real effects from computers dissaperaed when we were no longer 18" from CRTs that we should be 4 feet away from.
and that was covered.
The CRT (wonders of television) could product EM that was more easily measured with housold items , than the power lines behind my house for the distance i was existing from each.
They also did the static build thing, ionising air and producing (what that stuff) ozone or something, with the high voltage flyback transformers.
The LEDs do not output that UV stuff , so your probably dying from the lack of sun (said to be a source of bodily produced vitimin D) then from the wavelengths left there.
Which just leaves the non-ionising but no less messes with rats RF radiation from sitting on top of your wi-fi antenna.
 
Go figure. I had a problem that would have been perfect for Superuser. My fix ended up making the situation worst. iCloud Photos was causing windows explorer to crash when I attempted to access it. My fix uninstall itunes and ect. ended up killing my collection, lol
 
After FuckIshemia nuke disaster (and others) unloads into the air particals , and all the WWII testing that raised the "background" radiation. I think that breathing is probably more dangerous than todays modern computer.
 
physical files are there but collection is empty :-(
Good grief.
OpenGL is apparently a new API
err
I said that wrong
Khronos Group is apparently going to release a new API called Vulkan ( horrible name given recent news ) OpenGL should be their primary focus ( grrrrr )
Alright, looks like its a codename.
To see HTTM2 or not to see HTTM2 that is the question :$
 
1:29 AM
The day scientist actually began to understand radiation, they made a big bomb and killed a milllion people with it. Do we really have to respect what a "scientist" tells us after that :-)
They said nuke plants were safe, then chernobley goes off, 5 minutes later they say "oh that was old tech, all the new GE plants it could never happen" then the next one goes off . and now That was old tech (but it wasnt when they said IT was safe) .. . Humans making misteaks ?? uhh that is always happening, so that might be an excuse but not a reason.
When The last one went off, they specifically withheld information, because people knowing would have been worse than the people dying ??? And were supposed to take thier word at that point for Anything?
how many times do people get lied to before a "scientist" especially ones whos job and providing for family depends on the lies, is trusted any more than a politician who finds it nessisary to (cough) also bend the truth.
Tell it to the guy who comes out of one of them "safe" coal mining operations :-)
My friend from high school works at a nuclear reasearch facility. that has dumped tritium and cesium into the water table (by accident) he make a 6 figure salery and has free unlimited medical benefits. The people who would believe what he might tell them would chop off thier right arm to have the money he has made in 10 years. You really think he cares if they did :-)
 
1:46 AM
You would think nuke plants would be built in the mountains or something
You only have to worry about cold weather. You don't have to deal with Godzilla crashing your party
 
It is very efficient to use the local waters to cool. a nuke plant is said to evaporate out 1 million gallons of water. Via heat exchangers.
so i am assuming they are found so readily by water , to get the heatsinc.
 
they could always just use snow :$
 
really put them on the ends of the poles , then all people will have to complain about is the ice melting :-)
The same steam turbining could be in multiple stages? use water for the first stage, then ammonia to "extract" another round of energy (turning turbones again). then they could be "Energy Star" rated :-)
I always percieve that anything dumping tons of energy is very poor efficency.
Then dumping the 1/2 spent fuel is also proof of low efficency. they have been able to re-refine the unspent fuel, but they dont bother, plus the "breeder" reactor is said to be able to get more of the energy out of even the 1/2 used stuff.
 
2:18 AM
I am thinking there will be a time where we just fuel up our houses hydrogen fuel cell
:$
Shit... I am in the wrong field, well technically I am not, but speciality ;$
"Take the Cinnabon Delights, mix in something that makes them pink, and roll them in crushed hopes and dreams Cap'n Crunch Crunch Berries cereal—not Oops, All Berries!, the perennial proof of the ineptitude of Quaker Oats' factory workers—and you've got what looks like slightly bruised testicles coated in children's breakfast cereal." alright what the heck?
 
It was amasing to see that some large (many internet) companies are actually applying fuel cell boxes.
 
this writer is pretty good at describing food
 
bruised . . . well it still looks tasty :-)
 
Its just such an odd choice to describe a food
but lets face it accurate.
to be fair that particular word can end up being food provided its from your typical meat animal. So thats maybe where they were going
 
2:41 AM
If i can no longer eat crunched berries :-) i am blaming that author
man cannot live on peanut butter cap'n crunch alone
 
3:31 AM
NVIDIA Maxwell power consumption just keeps on impressing me.
50% more performance per watt than Kepler—and it's still 28nm. It's difficult to imagine just how efficient things can get once NVIDIA moves to 20nm.
...and we've already gotten a taste of what's possible with 20nm Maxwell in the Tegra X1 SoC.
1024 GFLOPS performance in a special half-precision floating point mode, 512 GFLOPS single precision.
256 CUDA cores in 2 SMMs, operating at 1 GHz.
All in a power envelope of just 10 watts.
 
 
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4:42 AM
If you're wondering about the PC Gamer LPC: The system is essentially a Digital Storm Aventum II in the most extreme configuration possible.
The Aventum II Level 4 configuration is very close to this; the only major changes that would be needed are replacing the dual GTX TITAN Z cards in SLI with four ASUS Strix GTX 980s in SLI
...and increasing the RAM from 32 GB to 64 GB.
With those changes, the system build cost sits just below $10K.
Will I ever need a system like this? Only time will tell.
I can't see a good reason right now to drop $10K on an LPC-class system, regardless of whether I had the money.
A system of this sort would have a planned service life of about 5-7 years. It's not really worth it.
...but you never know what you might need some point in the future.
There's the advantage of a prebuilt machine from a boutique PC builder: craftsmanship.
It's truly a unique design.
Alright, back to work. Spending $10K on a PC is IMO silly.
 
5:02 AM
That's what I said ;p
 
A prototype of the upcoming Aventum III was shown at CES
 
Tho I disagree on the craftmanship
 
Bob
@DragonLord Then buy it when you need it.
 
5:19 AM
@Bob: 80/20? ;p
 
@DragonLord - If I came into money I would do something crazy. I would build several of those systems one for each room :-)
Whats funny is their temperature application, the screenshot isn't a very good screenshot, the reported temperatures are REALLY HOT :LOL
Given the fact its a LC system.
3x NVIDIA Tesla K20 Computing Processor (5GB of Memory)
ROFL
$13.5k
 
IIRC teslas don't have video outs ;p
 
Well given that this current build is 30K, lol, I would rent it out to bloody Pixar :$
4x SLI Quad (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 4GB (ASUS Strix Edition)
LOL
30k computer...
lol
 
lol
actually?
 
@Ramhound The LPC uses four GTX Titans (original model) in SLI.
 
5:33 AM
You'd probably have a single, decent video card, and do most of the rendering on a farm
 
Well, if you have the money, Digital Storm will happily replicate the LPC for you, but with the latest, most advanced parts available. Just start with an Aventum II Level 4.
 
Titans are last generation though
980's already beat them
 
(I do work in a VFX company)
 
I presume it takes more than a couple K20's to render a Pixar movie :$
Given that even a short scene of about 1 minute took a good amount of time when I did a CA project
 
@Ramhound It's probably done on a supercomputer purpose-built for that application.
 
5:35 AM
._.
 
If they were smart they would be doing amazon cloud computing.
 
@Ramhound erm... no
 
really?
 
Running a render farm requires a LOT of finasse and flexibility
 
so Azure VMs ;_)
 
5:36 AM
@Ramhound EC2 does not provide the compute resources necessary for this purpose.
 
and since we actually do need the computing power most of the time, I do believe most vfx farms do it in house.
 
Nor does Microsoft Azure.
 
Ahh, I figured that, was being funny indicating Azure > Amazon
 
Also, our clients are fairly paranoid.
 
As I said, it's probably done on an in-house, purpose-built supercomputer.
 
5:37 AM
lemme check what information is public ;p
 
@DragonLord: I know exactly how its done ;p
lemme check what information is public tho
 
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Q: Is there a Code Review Tool that Integrates with Team Foundation Server

Jonathan MeeWe are using Team Foundation Server(TFS), and we need to start doing code reviews. I don't see anything Microsoft makes that supports code reviewing, but if I've missed something that would be the best option. I am looking for a 3rd party tool which will integrate with TFS. I expect that given ...

 
This is the sort of work that absolutely requires a supercomputer.
 
Isn't TFS itself a code review tool?
 
5:38 AM
@DragonLord: actually... erm, not really
 
well in the sense that it allows you to compare the pending changes
 
Once again tho, let me look up what's publically available ;p
ahh
Ton of blade servers
 
I have rendered my own CA project before. Once you have the images themselfs it just requires a bunch of computing power to merge them creating. I forget what took longer the creation of the indivudual images or importing the images into Adobe ( I forget the name of the poduct )
 
5:42 AM
I did use Maya to create the indivudual images, yes
 
They'll build compute clusters for critical business needs
 
But used an Adobe tool to merge them creating basically the video
 
So X images/sec = FPS
Clearly $:
 
@DragonLord: more useful if you have single, large tasks rather than many many many small ones
 
5:43 AM
( wow that site is slow ), lol
 
hei
 
Its all the dang Flash!
 
@Ramhound: oh, hardware is not cheap
buuut doing it offsite probably won't be either
and there's additional issues, especially after sony
 
Yeah wouldn't want to leak out a bunch of rendored images for a release
But honestly that could happen even with your own server farm
Since I have no doubt animators would want to be able to easily get WIPs tasks
 
5:46 AM
Well time for me to crash
:$
 
@Ramhound: fairly low value, actually. And a lot of stuff we do is grunt work
 
In fact, HP is the most represented company on the Top500
 
oooooh
Those look sweet
 
i did benchmark with sysbench at linux and it said it has io speed about 2mbps whats that mean?
is 2mbps are same speed with mysql io speed?
 
5:56 AM
Please clarify your last question
 
ok i have one server here, i want to know how fast io speed in my server, in last time i did this at linux console

sysbench --test=fileio --file-total-size=10G --file-test-mode=rndrw --init-rng=on --max-time=300 --max-requests=0 run

it says it has speed 2mbps, for io speed to read/write for each file.

after that i have mysql and i have data for 13GB , i want to select all data from mysql,
lets say it has 2mbps lets say with overhead its speed down to 1.5mbps ,

that mean 13000 /1.5 = 8667
i must wait for 8667 seconds is my calculation right ?.
 
erm
not necessarily?
 
you're mixing bits and bytes i think
 
Why not just run a mysql benchmark?
Also, database performance, IIRC isn't purely disk bound
there's a CPU and ram element as well
 
Indeed, not quite sure what you mean by "select all data"
 
6:03 AM
i mean in mysql i execute "select * from 13GBdata
that mean mysql must select all
 
and then put it where? Console? /dev/null?
 
to the disk as output
 
so half the disk speed
 
i can do mysql benchmark, but i need to measuring the time
so that mean more that 8667 seconds to wait?
 
once again, disk speed dosen't mean anything on its own.
so why not try it? select statements are non destructive
 
6:05 AM
it took very long time
 
uh huh
and?
 
I am upset that Chappie didn't come out this weekend :$
 
i tried it also , after 5 days query wont load
 
It will take a very long time if you do it
 
If its a straight simple select * i would assume disk speed is the main bottleneck
and at the speeds you were mentioning itd take 38hrs or so
 
6:06 AM
yes i think so also shelvacu
so how to increase io speed?
 
You would also likely need 13GB of memory since at that point it has to return the results in some capacity.
 
but 2mbps is an absolute horrid speed, my internet is faster
are you sure that's the right number?
 
Your database exists on a disk
 
yes, my server usng virtualization
thats why its horribly slow
 
@Ramhound: I may need to watch that ;p
 
6:08 AM
Your internet speed has zero to do with the query until the data is sent to you.
 
The premise seems interesting, and I love sci fi
 
@Ramhound i know, I was just comparing it.
 
HJ is in it again, whats with him and robot movies ;$
 
Why are you comparing an apple to an orange?
Hugue jackman
Wolveerine :$
 
6:09 AM
@Ramhound: I think he means, that's a REALLY shitty speed
 
Exactly
 
The director also does movies with a ton of robots
Hell, ever seen his first short?
 
I am confused this a virtual machine ( you mentioned virtualization )
 
@user965347 I wouldn't know how to speed it up without knowing a lot more. It sorta sounds like you're just copying, do you need to involve SQL or can you treat the database as a regular file?
 
yes
i treat it as regular file because i do it plainly
without index wihout anything
 
6:11 AM
@user965347 - We required more than Yes to answers, its extremely tough to follow what you question is exactly.
So please provide full responses :$
 
hmm ok,
i am not copying
 
@Ramhound youtube.com/watch?v=VTnxP7e7-YA becomes chappy
and this is district 9 's basis youtube.com/watch?v=le3y0QlLjJE
 
Bob
Ooh, decent chance of a question exploding :P
 
my client want me to do publish all, actually that 13GB is a CSV that converted to table.

and i have to publish all,
i
so i just do "select * from table_data_cache" i waited for 5 days to load the data, but it wont load. the query hung up when i check the process, it said sending data, i checked in mysql docs sending data means the data is being readed , but it is past 5 days , i stopeed the query and i check my disk, my server admin said, my server are using xen as virualization, after that i tried to find solution , and i have idea to benchmark the disk speed, i tried it with sysbench, i
 
....
@user965347: You do realise that by not giving people relevent information when asking a question, you're basically wasting everyone's time right?
@Bob: which one?
 
6:19 AM
oh sory for that
but the point is i need to know the how to measure the speed
i must know how long should i wait for publish that
 
Bob
it's on HNQ already
 
10250 seconds
 
I don't plan to have a Linux physical machine anytime soon, not after my dealing with the hassles of running Linux on the Wyvern
Oddly enough, the first functional PC I personally owned, the Cerberus, had Windows Vista Home Basic removed in order to run Linux, specifically openSUSE.
It's an old eMachines desktop, a bottom-bin system.
It did see several aftermarket upgrades, including CPU and power supply replacements, but it's still slow and way behind the times
 
its hard to find the server reseller for windows dragon
 
6:29 AM
@user965347 huh?
I don't quite understand what you said.
 
i mean its hard to find the server provider which windows OS for server
sorry my english
 
Well, Windows Server is pretty expensive
 
yes
 
Not only do you have to pay for a license by the processor socket, you also have to deal with CALs
 
CALs?
 
6:31 AM
Client access licenses.
Give me a moment to look it up.
 
Bob
@user965347 not if you get it straight from a larger OEM
(e.g. Dell/HP)
@user965347 You need one CAL per user who connects ot the server
 
Bob
apparently this includes web users on a webserver
the alternative is per-processor licensing
You pay a lot more per CPU, but unlimited users
 
Oh, okay.
 
0_o
 
Bob
6:32 AM
If you're hosting public services, get per-CPU
 
expensive. . . . . . .
 
Bob
if you're just using it at home, CALs
 
pay pay pay
 
There ain't no such thing as a free lunch
software dosen't write itself (yet)
 
Bob
:20309556 > Microsoft offers a device-based CAL (Device CAL) or a user-based CAL (User CAL) for purchase.
 
6:34 AM
;e;
 
Bob
Oh, that's the other option
aside from user CALs you can pay per device that connects
e.g. 20 employees sharing 10 client PCs
 
and seriously, complaining about server OS costs is silly
 
@JourneymanGeek there may not be free lunch, but theres certainly free software
 
Bob
> Server Licensing Not Requiring CALs
> Per Core Licensing
 
thats expensive for low gdp journeymanl
 
Bob
6:35 AM
> Per Processor Licensing
@shelvacu They're not free.
You have to pay for the support.
 
@shelvacu: true, but there's other elements involved
^
 
Bob
Whether you manage it yourself, or hire someone to do it for you, you're paying for that support
If something goes wrong, you're paying
There's no warranty of any sort
 
Same with windows, at least partially
 
and really, if you want to download and install free software you won't be complaining about costs
 
so in average how much dollars should client pay for 1 windows server that host a web application?
 
6:37 AM
and if you want support & garuntees then get RHEL, right?
 
A pack of 5 CALs, whether user or device, runs about $150.
 
Bob
@shelvacu To an extent, yes. But because you're paying for it, if something goes horribly wrong at least you have someone to complain to.
 
@user965347: IIRC there's a cheaper edition specifically for that
 
Bob
@user965347 You'd be looking at per-core or per-processor licensing.
 
6:37 AM
Not like they'll listen @bob
 
Bob
Or Server Essentials? shrug
@shelvacu I mean legally you have recourse
 
I stick to my original statement
 
Bob
If it's actually the fault of MS, actually a problem with the OS, you are more likely to win a lawsuit
 
with a slightly different interpretation of they
 
@Bob Microsoft licenses per physical socket.
 
Bob
6:38 AM
@DragonLord Depends on the product.
 
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Q: Can I arrange that other computers only see certain dropbox folders?

Jim ThioI am using dropbox. I paid for the non free version and have tons of space. Unfortunately the dropbox is also used by my business partners. I want to store most of my files in dropbox so I can get them backed up. However, most of the files are private files like my vacation photos, my girlfriend...

 
Bob
Some per-core licences work with vCPUs
 
This guy has been asking some really BAD questions.....
 
@shelvacu: There's always some tradeoff, and a balance between what you want/need and what you're willing to pay
 
For less critical applications that do not require professional support but still need enterprise stability, there's always CentOS
 
6:40 AM
@JourneymanGeek I guess so, and arguing over which is better is kinda pointless I guess
 
@Bob: tho, there's 2008 web server and apparently 2012 dosen't need CALs for 'web workloads'
 
Bob
Oh? News to me :P
 
ok then thanks for answer guys, u r all awesome
i gonna fix the server
 
@shelvacu: Everything sucks, its just the matter of finding the option that's the least annoying ;p
 
bye
 
6:42 AM
I changed my mind, arguing isnt pointless
 
Not a primary source
@shelvacu: We don't argue, we discuss ;p
I work with centos, some ubuntu, windows (rarely) and OS X at work
I dislike OS X a little
 
I find myself spending just as much time finessing with microsoftware to get it to work as I do with Free&libre software
 
Okay, SQL Server is licensed per core.
 
I have mostly windows at home other than my lovely little fedora home server (/seedbox/backup box/...)
Used to run ubuntu (which was alright)
and I think a good chunk of folk here are running/maintaining different things
 
6:45 AM
I run arch linux on my home computer and have just been given the responsibility to a group of debian & windows servers that all seem to be help together by duct tape
 
6:59 AM
 
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